What Was Carthage Like Before Its Destruction? | Carthage: The Roman Holocaust | All Out History

Ancient Carthage, the home of Hannibal Barca, is perhaps most famous for its brutal eradication by the Roman Empire. But why did Rome wage such a destructive campaign against the Carthaginians and how much of what we know about this ancient culture is Roman propaganda?
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[@chozopriest1]

My first thought on seeing so many pots with children inside, clearly made and placed with care, was a child's cemetery. We aren't that much different then people back then.

[@wandapease-gi8yo]

Seems like the same accusation that was made of Baal and Moloch in other places of the Mediterranean. Or those the same accusations?

[@rheinhardtgrafvonthiesenha8185]

The narrator is a little in love with his own words but this was a great documentary

[@wandapease-gi8yo]

Why does the defeated Carthage remind me as post WWI Germany?

[@EffectPlaceboThe]

Carthage is as real yo me as Rome. I can't physically do to where either is. Rome failed to erase it.

[@jameskazd9951]

i mean carthage was bad but i think their Celtic genocide killed more people.

[@coffeemachtspass]

Yep, Rome did that. Carthage wouldn’t have done the same to them? Some commentators in this thread think that our moral sense is a constant through history. Our modern, Western respect for individuals and restraint on warfare came from a slow development of ideals (primarily Christian ones to be honest). It’s pointless to judge the past by today’s standards. If you’d lived then, you would have behaved just like they did.

[@dobbersanchez1185]

christians are gay but

[@Atheos-1]

"Christian ideals" You're, of course, referring to the old testament, right? Lmfao

[@psforos]

Nice to see a fellow with the heart and head of a true historian instead of the preening halfwits who try to understand history through the prism of today's accepted morality.

[@arcanios806]

This title is not acceptable at all. You can't compare anything like this event with the Holocaust/Shoa. It is more than offending against any jew dead or alive and besides that it is not appropiate to compare Roman crimes with the Nazi crimes; it is relativizing. The title needs to be changed inmedeatily.

[@johns4719]

The documentary is 20 years old. They’re not going back and renaming it just because the world is more sensitive now than it was then.

[@dobbersanchez1185]

Yeah but it's just a faux pas (probably 2nd or 3rd hand) , so maybe chill out? If you are trying to persuade people to your point of view you'll have a better time of it if you openly offer an exchange of information. Making demands based on a grievance generally begets begrudgement. What are you hoping to gain?

[@arcanios806]

@@dobbersanchez1185 My point of view? Maybe you ask any jew alive what to think about this? My "demand" besides is only to not relativize such a crome as the Shoa!

[@dobbersanchez1185]

@@arcanios806 Yeah dude, I get it, Halocast means something along the lines of sacrifice by fire, an offering. The misuse is popular and many people who misuse it probably don't realise how they are misusing it. Does it make sense to scorn people who are unwittingly standing on ceremony? Furthermore, you cannot fairly force anybody to not use a word or phrases, not practically and not ideologically. This means that you are in the persuasion game, the same as everyone else. So maybe reflect and reconsider your approach.

[@arcanios806]

@@dobbersanchez1185 No, it is not about the misuse of the term it is about relatavizing the worst crime in history. Everyone knows that Holocaust or Shoa describes the annihilation of the European Jews through Germany. You simply cant compare it to anything like the destruction of Carthage.

[@greatexpectations6577]

I could only imagine what world history would look like if Carthage lived.

[@ivokonstantinidis9438]

They destroyed only carthage though the other punic cities were left intact. Punic language and culture survived into the roman empire, even one of the roman emperors was punic and latin was his second language.

[@gerritpeacock8949]

Which emperor? Septimius Severus?

[@greenman5229]

LOL YT thinks it's about WWII... that word has a new meaning

[@PowerScissor]

I've been on a Celtic Holocaust kick recently...and just get non-stop bombarded with context about the 1940's. I just keep sending KZbin feedback that their context is off by a few thousand years. Same with anything Greek God Apollo related. KZbin wants to remind everyone learning about Greek Gods, that NASA did indeed go to Moon with the Apollo program.

[@augustvalek]

Baby dies and gets cremated, crazy people from the future: "they killed their children as a sacrifice"

[@benstephenson8370]

Sorry. Overall mark: C. Obviously biased, self contradictory and dubious. Presentation is overbearing, music is regularly misplaced. Whilst the historical content is not incorrect, it is so blatantly biased that it cannot gain a better mark.

[@RetroResearch]

Well, I find the bias refreshing simply because every other source I have seen have been heavily biased in favor of the Romans. Ultimately, whatever is true from either side transcends bias. Was there a specific historical point in this presentation which you contend is untrue? I am no expert so any light you can shed would be appreciated.

[@martyconroy3786]

They were the Phoenicians, Carthage was the capital, but their empire surrounded Rome, ten times the size of Rome. And,we know the Phoenicians were sea faring merchants, they didn't disappear

[@barbaraaspengen9810]

😮😮

[@kerriephillips427]

I blame Hannibal for not having the heart to go to the city of Rome and destroying the Romans that were left, Hannibal had pretty much defeated the Romans at the battle of Cannae Hannibal had killed like 80,000 Roman troops and even some senators that came to watch the battle the Romans were defeated but Hannibal didn't think he could take the city of Rome and I don't know why because there was no one to stop him the Roman army had been annihilated. And by the way Hannibal was a black African nobody likes to hear that but it is what it is you can't write black people out of history people forget that Carthage and Egypt are in Africa a black continent the only reason Arabs are there is because they came in later now they want to claim Africa as there's.

[@Wasteland88]

Nah, he was Phoenician. They likely didn't breed with the lower class much to make a difference. North Africa has always been more of a melting pot than the rest of Africa. People talk like he was sub saharan African or a something lol, which is wrong. Hannibal decided to invade the Romans not the other way around. He defeated alot of their armies, but he made the ultimate mistake of letting the enemy learn from their mistakes. Hannibal knew the Romans would never surrender, and he likely knew that it would be hard to lay seige to Romes walls. When you spend 12 years in Italy ravaging their country, you can't be all surprised when the Romans go to Carthage and do the same. For alot of people at the time Carthage got what it deserved. If Hannibal would've never crossed the alps, maybe Carthage would've been around for longer.

[@kerriephillips427]

@@Wasteland88 you believe everything white people tell you about black history smh.

[@kerriephillips427]

@@Wasteland88 you probably think that so called Jesus was white too don't you there was no Jesus that white boy you see in all the paintings is a man named Cesare Borgia he ordered Leonardo Da Vinci to paint pictures of him so he could be worshipped and he became Jesus the real son of God was a black man named Yeshua

[@kerriephillips427]

@@Wasteland88 you better learn some real black history and not the bullshit lies white people tell you.

[@matiusbond6052]

@@Wasteland88 THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY GOOD POINTS YOU MAKE IN YOUR COMMENTARY, BUT THE ONE CLAIMING ANCIENT NORTH AFRICAN WERE RACIALLY DIVERSE IN TODAY'S WORLD OF KNOWLEGE IS EXTREMELY IGNORANT. THERE WERE SIMPLY NO CAUCASIAN EMPIRES IN ANCIENT AFRICA PERIOD!!!!!!! AND ALL FACTS EVIDENCE CONFIRMS IT. HANNIBAL AS ALL PEOPLE WHO LOVE THEIR FAMILIES HAD TO TRY AND PROTECT IT SO HE ATTACKED. eVERY SINGLE VIDEO THAT SHOWS ANCIENT CARVED ,STATUES, PAINTINGS OR ANYTHING ELSE SHOWS PHOENICIANS WITH AFROID FEATURES