What was with that Naito/Moxley match? | AEW Forbidden Door | Wrestling Observer Live

Bryan Alvarez and Mike Sempervive talk about the top three matches from Forbidden Door, including the IWGP World Heavyweigh title match between Jon Moxley and Tetsuya Naito.
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[@carlosr6462]

an old japanese man with a broken body against a guy that can't throw punches/kicks or even sell... the match was destined to be bad

[@Ryhan_Beard]

In terms of showcasing,, I thought Stardom and CMLL had much stronger outings last night than NJPW did. Hate seeing guys like Naito and Tanahashi look so broken down.

[@8starsmatch264]

True, thanks god ZSJ was there and he should beat Naito ASAP

[@thecolonel3995]

They're all broken down. Ishii and Suzuki can barely move

[@mrrobert9176]

I’m telling you, that Naito/Ibushi match from Dominion (2019??) took years of their life and wrestling careers.

[@souvikdeb808]

They had bunch of those matches. Neck killer bouts. Their g1 2016 match, supercard 2019 and so many of them. Love both of them but come on... those matches ruined both of their body.

[@mrrobert9176]

@@souvikdeb808 You’re right. I simply point at the Dominion match as it seemed the point of the match was to focus on dropping each other on their heads and even if the opponent didn’t do it, the guy would move his head to make sure he landed right on it. It was the weirdest and stupidest match I have ever seen

[@TomCat-zo5ig]

Can't remember who said it, but he basically said your body can only take a certain amount of bumps before it breaks down. Make sense

[@billcowan5539]

They need to push Takeshita the fans were really behind him last night , I was there live and the pop he received when he was about to grab the TNT title in that Crazy ladder Match was Loud

[@Upendrashahi2060S]

But they are trying to make him heel

[@carlosr6462]

@@Upendrashahi2060S Takeshita is good enough to be a babyface or heel, the problem is that his momentum is ruined by the lack of continuity of the booking

[@xer05tar]

Naito is the perfect example of someone that wont rest and pays the price in the long run.

[@geeloco1600]

Who cares

[@botchamaniajeezus]

i mean, feel like misawa is the perfect example here

[@ObeliskTheTormented]

Mox needs to take note of that

[@themastersword1621]

I can't believe they gave Tsuji this big presentation and return only for him to do...nothing of much importance. Easily the most charismatic young star they have and yet drag their heels.

[@JohnDoe-wr9ei]

Lol love how much Naito just gives zero effort every time he wrestles in USA, he should have wrestled in T-shirt, that would have been even funnier

[@MarkieDood]

This was the perfect stage to have Mox drop the title... to Yota Tsuji. I have no idea what NJPW thinks they're gonna gain from putting it back on Naito.

[@beanbeater]

naito is way past his prime, i love him but man it's time to step out

[@LordDogfingers]

Naito can still have great matches, it needs to be the right opponent. That's not saying Naito wasn't ropey as hell and not saying Mox is the wrong opponent, he's in a position where he's really popular but cannot do what he used to do. Sabre and Ospreay had great matches with him this year.

[@carlosr6462]

If you want a decent match, at least one of the guys envolved has to be a good worker and be able to call the match in the ring, in this case Naito can't move and Moxley is not a good worker, he is not even good at orchestrating the matches against less experienced wrestlers. The match was destined to fail.

[@souvikdeb808]

Naito had a pretty decent match against Mox in their first title match tbh. Naito can go but dude needs rest.

[@8starsmatch264]

No it was last year and Sabre and Ospreay can have great matches with literrally ANYONE so it's not really an argument

[@jordanbyford2693]

So glad Britt is back about time next up Jamie Hayter 🙏🙏🤞🤞

[@11sdownie]

She’s a narcissist bully.

[@FoulTarnished-k3f]

Yeah because Britt is vital for ratings 😂

[@jordanbyford2693]

@FoulTarnished-k3f nothing will save AEWS ratings but I'm just a fan of Britt Baker

[@tylermcnally8232]

@@jordanbyford2693 They say theres a fan out there for everyone these days

[@diendong]

Konosuke Takeshita is going to be in the G1 Climax tournament. Make him the winner. Period. The guy beat Omega twice.

[@ShadyDBZ4]

He should had won the TNT Ladder Match. Even though we all knew Jack was winning from the jump.

[@Asushlo]

He's a DDT guy lol.

[@satishmaharaj6768]

Yeah take a shit is pretty good

[@TJoL1998]

It’s gonna be ZSJ who wins G1

[@diendong]

@@TJoL1998 This I don’t mind. ZSJ is a great.

[@echobay2023]

His body is broken. Its the same with Tanahashi.

[@brianhopson2072]

And okada

[@theicon2125]

As a relatively new follower of NJPW (first thing I ever watched was the Jericho Omega WK) I've always wondered if I missed these guys in their prime. People talk so much about Naito and Tanahashi and I'm always super disappointed after any Naito match I watch, Tanahashi less so but still disappointing.

[@drknightmare9963]

@@theicon2125Naito beat Ospreay last year in the semi finals of the G1 which was an absolute banger. I watch NJPW for about a decade now and was really surprised how short the match was. At least Shingo got 20 min with Danielson.

[@leeedwards9068]

He is still ‘GREAT’ at spitting???

[@andrewmachado6988]

Kota Ibushi is another one that comes to mind.

[@jorgetag]

Naito need to change his finish. He cant do destino anymore. Love the guy but he keeps botching his finishes.

[@TheZubin66]

Huge fan of Naito , was very sad watching the match with Moxley.

[@jimmyslilfella]

As a proud Bostonian, it’s scary wearing my Boston team merch at the Garden lol

[@doubles7533]

If I was a Knicks fan, I'd be embarrassed to wear my Knicks jersey anywhere.

[@juansanchez209]

@@doubles7533Why? There’s a solid team. Only one team can be the champion, it’s illogical to say that somebody should be embarrassed to wear any basketball jersey other than Celtics jerseys

[@jaredbrady5566]

Naito is what happens when their roster is raided.

[@TheTruth-mv7hm]

Yep

[@richardchisolm8430]

Alvarez: That match was fine. Also Alvarez: Naito looked horrible 🤨

[@8starsmatch264]

Two things can be true at the same time. Alvarez sits through WcW 2000 and the worst of TNA so he knows what a really bad match looks like

[@AdrianBeegoatz]

5:45 I’m surprised with how long Alvarez has been watching, he didn’t immediately realize this was the plan when Moxley won it back in Chicago.

[@Asushlo]

Naito is the biggest draw in New Japan so he got the title back, why is this shocking?

[@jimmyramen]

I think the shock is how bad he was, not that he won

[@bash8387]

Good keep it in Japan I don’t wanna see it on aew , aew needs to make there belts mean more

[@Snakeskin94]

Dont like the Japanese huh?​@@bash8387

[@deyampert3738]

Mercedes is from California! 😂 Boston is just where she started her wrestling career!

[@8starsmatch264]

she's born in california but she grew up in boston wake up bro😂

[@deyampert3738]

@@8starsmatch264 wake up bro? You sound dumb as hell! You literally just re-stated what I posted. Come on! Are you lonely? 🤣

[@PaulReed]

Oh thank goodness. I thought something was very wrong with that match but couldn't put my finger on it and then Mox lost. Just out of nowhere, no build to the finish. It was nice to see Britt back and I say that as someone who was very, very sick of her being inserted into everything in the past. She wasn't awful but the eternal push over others was driving me crazy. Then Jamie was champion and I thought for sure Britt was going to be put over her even without the belt. She wasn't and I was pleasantly surprised. I now eagerly await Jamie Hayter returning but only when she's healthy!

[@frank68x]

Naito is my favorite wrestler... sucks to see that it seems like he's just going thru the motions. The dude doesn't even look like he works out much anymore. ...I guess I can change it to Naito's my favorite wrestling character.

[@kenshiman90]

finding one fan in a celtics jersey to blame for everyone hating mone is CRAZY. vaquer comes off as twice the star as mone btw.

[@eddieroche8176]

For as much shit as Triple H and Tony get as bookers, everyone needs to look at how NJPW is booked and be thankful.

[@Madiela]

Because there never was a story, Alvarez (concerning osprey)

[@enteisb1]

Am I the only one that heard "Post to Be" in the background?

[@NLaBar]

Watching that match , naito looked like he didn’t wanna be there at all. And Moxley had boo boo job face the whole time.

[@mattb6616]

outside of AEW moxley is not a wrestler people respect

[@rickroberts7611]

​@mattb6616 You cant..He's portraying a tough guy character but got choked out by the Walmart cart wrangler..Weird ass Aew fans dont see it

[@josephswartz1067]

@@rickroberts7611 weird that you say that behind a monitor when he's won gold in BJJ before.

[@mustaquimahmedtanbeer2437]

​@@rickroberts7611 he gets good amount of cheer in aew. He will get one of the best crowd reaction if he returns to wwe.

[@BulletClub444Life]

​@@rickroberts7611Most importantly his work in the ring is rotten. It looks phony and doesn't make sense.

[@8starsmatch264]

What happenned ? 2024 Naito happenned

[@claytron3000]

Everyone talking about Naito looking rough. I mean, Moxley looks rough, too. At least Naito is going away with the belt, Moxley is here to stay on AEW.

[@mrrobert9176]

Moxley has turned into such a bad wrestler. The guy entered the company (after his New Japan run) jacked, tan and looked crisp in the ring. I’m not trying to be that guy but he’s not in great shape, pale and his matches just suck

[@mattb6616]

Moxley is obviously back to drinking heavily and no one wants to talk about it. Claudio has had to hold him standing up in group appearances before because he was so drunk he couldn't walk up steps by himself.

[@8starsmatch264]

@@mrrobert9176 You obvisouly don't watch and you're a clown because he's in his best shape since joining AEW so thanks for your dumb comment young clown !!

[@8starsmatch264]

@@mattb6616 You need some serious slaps IRL

[@michaelsinger4638]

Naito is physically broken down and has been for years now. And NIPW has failed to build up anyone newer. And they refuse to do more with Shingo either for some reason?

[@brysoncherry9884]

And they didn't have tjp win the bosj for instance to make a new guy that's already had momentum or even titan

[@darkforest4891]

I kept seeing Naito fans ask what was to point of Moxley winning the title. It's so obvious they didn't want Naito having a bunch of 30 minute main events before the G1. If he's main eventing the dome again (and he is) he can't go through a year as champ. They had to break it up.

[@JohnDoe-wr9ei]

​@@darkforest4891He still was having long matches even without title so this is a bad argument

[@TheWolfjak]

Naito sawdusted himself man. Shame to see. Shame that gedo didn’t give him that run in 2019

[@christophernear6990]

New Japan is repeating wwe old problems. Relying on the old and haven't in built up anyone new. Naito should've been the guy like 6 years ago

[@sbz88]

Moxley doing a job on pay per view was the real surprise of the night 😂. Guess he figured "this guy's not gonna be a regular in AEW, so it doesn't matter." Now what's he gonna get out of it? That's the question.

[@jasonjimerson7046]

That Stephanie/Mercedes match was a 90/10 match. Stephanie did most of the work while Mercedes did one or two moves and won the match while almost everyone hated her. And, if you are going to rag on Naito looking old, rag on Tanahashi as well. I do not care if he is the president of New Japan, Tanahashi needs to go as well.

[@jackakimbo5718]

Tana isn't wrestling big singles main events anymore, Naito is. Naito would be fine if all he had to do each night was a couple of tranquilo posing spots and a single Destino without ever taking his t-shirt off, with 3-7 other guys in the match to do most of the heavy lifting.

[@loserhimself4044]

they literally said "he's like Tanahashi", my dude

[@vladdebrancovan7011]

Mox looked like a shirtless out of shape Bill Burr

[@deyampert3738]

Hik is in WWE! 😂

[@vladdebrancovan7011]

No they booed Moné cause she sucks… the only cheers for Moné and Britt cause they are incorporated in their entrance music lol

[@alexanderson2771]

Mercedes suffers from being overhyped, overrated, having things handed to her, just a really bad gimmick and just outright annoying. Willow put in the work, she deserved the title, Vaquer is a multi champ in, she put in the work between CMLL and AEW. There was no reason not to put the TBS title on Stephanie who was obviously the better wrestler especially if you want to bolster ties with CMLL. NJPW put their top title on Mox, a bold move by NJPW. I don't see AEW putting the heavyweight title on non AEW talent like Shingo but Shingo could easily be an awesome TNT champion. NJPW definitely needs to push the younger talent like Tsuji, & ELP. Would love to see them in more AEW matches.

[@DavidDexterGaming]

No, it wasn't anything to do with where Mercedes was from, it is that Stephanie Vaquer was so much better at everything she did and she looked like a star, a fantastic wrestler and Mercedes looked bad. She has the most irritating personality and her in ring work is very average. She should be in NXT so she can improve and Stephanie Vaquer is ready for PPV and prime time.

[@tehleoness5145]

What about Just 5 guys? Give them a fair shot.

[@kryceksangel]

I hope Naito puts Mox over in the rubber match. I hope Naito just got the title so the champion would be in the g1

[@jackakimbo5718]

Naito has declined like crazy over the past year or two. He should probably be exclusively doing undercard multi-man tags in the Tenzan/Makabe/Honma spot by now because he just can't do what he once could, not even close. But New Japan probably can't afford to move him down the card due to ticket sales & merch reasons, he's too popular and there's nobody ready to take his spot.

[@user-cs7nt6hm6w]

Naito is japanese Eddie Kingston

[@markflorida4402]

Mox and Naito was pretty good ngl.

[@kryceksangel]

Naito was the problem. It drives me crazy people blame Mox for the match. Gedo can't be happy with Naito's wrestling. He dropped Mox on his head

[@logandavis3316]

Naito is broken down, but he's far better than he displayed in this match. I think he just wasn't trying. He'll have 9 better matches in the G1.

[@erick_solar]

Just found out I'm the only one who didn't see any problem with this match lol

[@sithari518]

God it's so sad. They also need to break the tired mold of putting random new guys in as leaders of old factions to get them over. Finlay as "leader" of Bullet Club is so forced and underwhelming, it's sad. Poor Naito has been concussed and hurt since that Ospreay match, get him time off. NJPW is like Drake post Not Like Us, it's just not working. Take time off, reset and refocus.

[@11sdownie]

People have finally woke up to Meltzer and Alvarez’s BS. People just watch this show for a laugh now.

[@six6thdisciple]

IT WAS TRASH 🚮 💯

[@keni95851]

👀 holy fuck we agree

[@leeedwards9068]

How can anyone critique Moxley’s ‘wrestling’?? It’s DEATH-JIT-SU mixed with blading and cursing directly into a camera…

[@user-rx2hw8up2j]

Deathjitsu 4life...that's BADDASS!

[@alphatoddio]

SSB STINK SHIELD BUG 😅...if you know you know...

[@silveredgrunion7196]

I missed naito, during the whole paper view I had the denny sit down special which looks like runny eggs and hashbrowns mixed with chunked up beefloaf pushing through a mouse hole. And it was just everywhere, my friends dog was sitting outside the bathroom crying and howling and apparently later their kid sat in my stool that had run down the toilet seat when I was hovering trying to reach the lightswitch. So I totally missed Naito.

[@Quartz_7]

Moxley is never surrender guy...the way he was defeated is not logic n realistic...he ever getting more worst but still fighting till the end

[@jimmyramen]

Bro looked drunk or high to me. It was more than just his body

[@mattb6616]

Mox has been wrestling drunk since like a month after he got back from rehab. It didn't take.

[@jimmyramen]

@@mattb6616 bro, this wasn’t on Mox. Naito was a mess

[@juansanchez209]

I agree, Mox definitely looked drunk IMO. He was a mess out there

[@samismith8752]

I'm throwing it on Mox, He's one of the worst wrestlers there is. Period.

[@sheasheagaming1660]

Naito is sad to watch at this point.

[@Rocket_Skates]

Moxley is one of the worst wrestlers on the planet and no one can drag a good match out of him.

[@backlogcabin8003]

Naito reminded me of CM Punk when he beat Moxley at All Out. Gassed and just needed one move got him the title

[@cristianmiranda4122]

Even though im a big Naito fan, it should have been Yota Tsuji that defeated Sanada at Tokyo Dome. Hopefully they have Naito vs Tsuji in January and then build Tsuji and Umino as the next top stars. Moxley is so sloppy. He needs to go back to cut good promos and bleed less in the ring. - 7 Stars😂😂 Goofs!

[@elberno4243]

I hate to say it, but someone has to... Every single Moxley match, has been the drizzling s**ts, since he stopped drinking. He is clearly waiting for moves, then doesn't sell anything!

[@mattb6616]

He's still drinking. He "stopped drinking" for like two weeks.

[@DavidDexterGaming]

The plumber Moxley had another bad match, it's nothing new or shocking, he has bad matches on TV almost every week.

[@chrisrutledge2238]

Honestly a ridiculous take. Naito might not be where he was in 2016-2020, but he had a great match with Moxley even just a few months ago. I won't defend the FD match, clearly both guys had a very different vision for it. But these stupid hottakes where we pretend Naito can't work anymore and should retire, despite the fact that he had a match of the year candidate last year, are silly as fuck.

[@DominusHydra40k]

Mark

[@TheHardys01]

I was disappointed by Naito/Moxley. I did not except to say that. A lot of the time given to 'The Learning Tree' match should've been cut, and given to the final 2 matches.

[@ToddSmith23]

It was a banger

[@claytron3000]

Moxley could diarrhea in the ring and dorks would call it a banger. Oh wait, they just did.

[@ToddSmith23]

@@claytron3000 most dorks don’t recognize sarcasm when they read it

[@claytron3000]

@@ToddSmith23 sarcasm goes well in text form

[@ToddSmith23]

@@claytron3000it does

[@dtowns]

Moxley having more 5 Star Matches' then Kurt Angle is the perfect encapsulation of why Meltzer's credibility is at an all time low and how he went from highly respected journalist to a riduculous parody of himself that gets clowned on by everybody.

[@NLaBar]

How can you have twice the amount of 0? Angle had 0 matches rated 5* didn’t he ?

[@Station_AI]

Maybe he just likes Moxs matches more lol. It has nothing to do with journalistic integrity it's just one man's opinion about a subjective art.

[@dtowns]

@@NLaBar Wow, I didn't even realize he had ZERO 5 star matches. That is utterly absurd.

[@megatinmand5524]

Come up with your own opinion bot

[@dtowns]

@@Station_AI When one man's (extremely biased) opinion is constantly parroted by a bunch of smarks online to tear down other wrestlers, then it is a problem. Also, Dave has used his own star system as an objective ranking meter for wrestlers in the past, so he clearly thinks that it's more then one man's opinion.

[@jonathanmeredith6299]

Moxley is by far the worst wrestler right now. Naito is jusy so broken down

[@user-rx2hw8up2j]

I was watching some Dean Ambrose matches lately...my God Moxley is phoning it in nowadays

[@jonathanmeredith6299]

​@@user-rx2hw8up2jbro when Ambrose was WWE champ he had a match at Summer Slam vs Dolph Ziggler and to my surprise it was a lackluster match. I knew then and there Dean wasn't champ material. Thank god he list to AJ. People need to stop sweeping the negatives about aew under the rug. They have major major problems and it's getting worse

[@carlosr6462]

@@jonathanmeredith6299 yeah, last time I watched a decent Dean Ambrose match was on OVW, at least his fundamentals were on point. Nowadays he is doing that japanese wrestling parody

[@nateputerbaugh5709]

"what was with that Naito Moxley match? Naito has been washed up for 3 years, just like Tanahashi. what do you think was up with it?

[@doubles7533]

Definitely probably the worst match on the card.

[@NLaBar]

Definitely probably , eh?

[@doubles7533]

@NLaBar Yup. Definitely probably, for sure maybe.

[@meherenow793]

mayhaps?

[@doubles7533]

@@meherenow793 Yes! Or no.

[@carlosr6462]

from what I watched, this match and the 6 man tag match were the worst matches I've seen on PPV, I skipped the ladder match and the women's matches so I can't comment on those.

[@jamesdied251]

It's funny when they talk like anyone cares about New Japan...

[@KairosObj]

I'll tell ya...it was a shite match.

[@donzellmccalipp8510]

Naito's past his prime and his title reigns are boring I don't understand why new japan keeps pushing him, moxley no sells alot it's hard to enjoy his matches these day's even when he's not bleeding

[@22srs22]

Because Naito is legit the biggest draw they have.

[@donzellmccalipp8510]

@@22srs22 Eh your right about that, but he's only their biggest draw because Aew took all their top guy's

[@22srs22]

@@donzellmccalipp8510 lol no he's been the biggest draw for YEARS. They just never pushed him and when he does have the belt, it's always the booking that fucks it up.

[@donzellmccalipp8510]

@@22srs22 His intercontinental title reigns are better than his world title reigns, he's another wrestler his chase is better than his title reign

[@JohnDoe-wr9ei]

​@@donzellmccalipp8510This is such a bad argument cause none of his world championship reigns have had more than 1 defense so he literally isn't even given chance, he was IC champion for almost a whole year, it's not comparable

[@SirJebusHRM]

Whoever is editing these videos is definitely putting extra stupid sounds at the start just to annoy me. Genuinely makes the videos worse.

[@kimchi2780]

Naito needs to retire. Naito and Tana are not good.

[@RenzoSupreme]

NAITO 🎉🔥🔥💫

[@ChaseSchleich]

You want to elevate a young NJPW guy? Have them be the one to beat Mox. That's how you make a new star. Mox should have won here and then lost to a younger guy at Dynasty in the Tokyo Dome.

[@TheDeviantPro]

Yep, NJPW should make a new star by beating a guy who got outdrawed by pissing Sanada in the same venue a year earlier and by the Jr Heavyweights at Dominion over the promotion's biggest star and draw. I'm glad people like you aren't booking NJPW.

[@Bama20512]

It’s crazy that’s it’s taken ppl this long to see how bad Moxley is…

[@doubles7533]

Not really a Mox fan, but this wasnt his fault. Anyone who watched the match could see Naito is broken down. Mox worked pretty hard to get a good match out of the guy.

[@keni95851]

​@doubles7533 mox is terrible too what are you smoking

[@doubles7533]

@@keni95851 Always the best green.

[@agag2684]

​@@keni95851naito was the problem not Mox. WTF were you watching

[@keni95851]

@@agag2684 mox routinely misses his strikes, like he did here, barely sells (registering is not selling) and oh yeah he has a long history of doing office shit on canara, like blading. He's fucking terrible and he always has been.

[@leeedwards9068]

This ‘Night-O’ match was a 9 star…for certain… With all those spits…just ‘GREAT’

[@kd17Burger]

Alvarez cannot PHYSICALLY utter any AEW PPV match is Terrible

[@WillS724]

How the hell do you book Mercedes vs baker? Fans are fully behind baker and hate mercedes..you gonna beat baker just as she comes back? Beat your million dollar toy in Mercedes n she puts on boo boo job face??

[@BePatient888]

It's funny reading comments from a bunch of people who don't know anything about NJPW still post messages about "All the problems AEW has"! Or that one comment about Kurt Angle and Meltzer reviews. They have nothing to do with the topic of this video, because it's a bunch of people that don't watch AEW, or NJPW.😂😂😂

[@Basillikos]

Naito is washed and its sad NJPW keeps relying on him whwn he clearly cant go anymore

[@SteelyPhilbert]

I just hate the how Japanese pro wrestling promotions keep losing all of their stars. I wish they’d take “Japan” out of the names of NJPW and AJPW and do like Pride, Rizin, K-1, Dream, Heroes, and Pancrase. Put an extremely glaring and unmissable emphasis on the Japanese culture and style, but don’t name your promotion after it. I just feel like having “Japan” in the name makes it look less meaningful on a global scale. Like how can a promotion with a single country in the name hold a true “World” championship?

[@FlashTheNeon]

Cant believe you people always absolve the blame from Mox, he isn't good

[@mattb6616]

in terms of the ratio between how he's pushed and what his talent actually is, he might be the worst ever. a guy who's always in the main events and one of the worst talkers and workers on every show

[@davidtakyi14]

​@@mattb6616Worst talker? Mox is a terrible promo? 😂😂😂😂 lemme guess but Cody is an icon 😂😂😂

[@mattb6616]

@@davidtakyi14 nah I think Cody is trash too lol. He was the worst part of AEW when he was there and nothing about him changed when he went to WWE. Anyone could have been the guy to beat Roman and drawn that much.

[@mattb6616]

@@davidtakyi14 every Mox promo is the same wacky dean ambrose I'm going to eat your bones and make my bread crap. It cracks me up that Mox complained so hard about WWE scripting promos for him that suck and then he leaves and does the exact same promos.

[@davidtakyi14]

@@mattb6616We agree to disagree but jokes aside Mox isn't a terrible promo the issue has been his storytelling that's when he's at his best, he hasn't been in a major story in a long time to be honest but yeah atleast we agree on one thing tho Cody is a god awful promo 🤣🤣🤣

[@mattb6616]

"how?" the reason this match was bad is the reason EVERY moxley match is bad.

[@jackakimbo5718]

Damn, Tetsuya Naito is secretly wrestling in every Moxley match? You heard it here first, folks.

[@DarthMeteos]

do you have any opinions of your own or has cornette got that covered for you

[@mattb6616]

@@DarthMeteos cornettes a racist loser. I think everyone can see Moxley sucks. He's a relapsed drunk and nobody wants to talk about that either.

[@carlosr6462]

@@DarthMeteos terrible working punches, no selling (and asking the opponent to hit him harder), kick stomps that don't connect, a bunch of fake forearm shots, brawling at ringside (conveniently refs don't count nor stop him), etc.... every Moxley match is the same, he sucks, the guy can't tell a story in the ring, it looks like he is only capable to cut promos.

[@DarthMeteos]

@@carlosr6462 now you're _definitely_ outsourcing your opinions have you _ever_ had fun or do you just live in a spiral of negativity

[@ToddSmith23]

It was like all the other Moxley matches, terrible

[@mattb6616]

what's with this title? it was a match, the right man won, it was good booking. if it wasn't any good thats probably because moxley is an awful talent.

[@carlosr6462]

MJF can survive bad booking, Moxley can't survive good booking

[@monkeysoul1093]

Dude... how much comments you now have done here with literally saying the same? Joke is on you!

[@SeranaTheStudent]

Moxley is in dire need of changing his gimmick up. Ditch the bcc, ditch the grunting noises he makes and stop with the blood (thank goodness he didn't bleed last night).

[@user-rx2hw8up2j]

No blood?...No like

[@benespinosa6725]

LMAO what's with this title jon moxley is an awful talent he's been awful since joining AEW nobody cares about new japan pro wrestling these forbidden door shows are exactly like these WWE Saudi Arabia events it's filler and nothing matters they're basically glorified house shows this match was a complete mess.

[@agag2684]

We get it. You're not a pro wrestling fan

[@keni95851]

​@agag2684 "if you don't like what I like you're not a fan" triggered mark is triggered

[@agag2684]

@@keni95851 cuz it's true , not a fan👍

[@benespinosa6725]

​@agag2684 oh cry me a river I love pro wrestling but i hate BAD pro wrestling big difference lol.

[@benespinosa6725]

​@keni95851 very much lol.

[@leeedwards9068]

‘STORY??? BRYYYYY-AAAAANNNN… There was TOO MUCH story’ -Davey M chastising Bryan after this clip

[@keni95851]

Terrible garbage match that the aew marks lapped up

[@LokiTricksterG]

What are you talking about? The crowd was completely dead for the entire match. How is that "lapping it up"?

[@keni95851]

@@LokiTricksterG online the reaction has been pretty generous. "Oh but Naito is old" or "for what the match was it was fine". AEW hard-cores SCARED TO DEATH to call this match what it was, a fucking abortion on par with Taker vs El Gigante or Khali vs Viscera

[@Chaz4543]

@@LokiTricksterG AEW doesnt give their fans clear faces and heels to root for and boo so of course the crowd is going to be dead.

[@claytron3000]

@@Chaz4543these two are also fighting over a belt from another promotion.

[@juliand.breakdown463]

Well Mox is still the man