What Went Wrong? - DreamWorld

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What Went Wrong with DreamWorld? Pretty much everything from the start. From millions in funding to then setting up a Kickstarter, only to be exposed relentlessly online and to be labelled a scam by most.
This is a long video but with the DreamWorld story ongoing, multiple parts are required. This video covers mostly surface level things and the story only gets deeper the more you explore.
DreamWorld is beginning to show signs of improvement at least from what we saw in the Alpha release but I will remain sceptical until they deliver on what they promised.
Channels Referenced
Callum Upton: / callumupton
Josh Strife Hayes: / joshstrifehayes
KiraTV: / kiratv1
Skiazos: / skiazos
MMOByte: / mmobytegames
MMOBomb: / freemmogamer
Smilin Aislin: / smilinaislinn
Video Links:
DreamWorld MMORPG "The Last Game You'll Ever Play": • DreamWorld MMORPG "The...
Exposing the DreamWorld kickstarter scam: • Exposing the DreamWorl...
Q/A with DreamWorld SCAM!: • Q/A with DreamWorld SC...
THEY TRIED TO PAY ME TO LIE TO YOU ALL!: • THEY TRIED TO PAY ME T...
Dreamworld kickstarter scam followup: • Dreamworld kickstarter...
DreamWorld Projects We Love Badge Removed: streamable.com/o/4ngml5
Dreamworld - I can't Actually Believe My Eyes: • Dreamworld - I can't A...
Dreamworld - The Scam MMO that got funded: • Dreamworld - The Scam ...
Exposing Dreamworld LIVE! Kickstarters latest scam: • Exposing Dreamworld LI...
Dreamworld - A Kickstarter Of Lies Continues (Millions of Dollars Invested): • Dreamworld - A Kicksta...
Why I Broke off my Engagement | Why am I Involved With the DreamWorld Scandal?: • Why I Broke off my Eng...
DreamWorld: The Biggest MMO Scam to Ever Get Fully Funded: • DreamWorld: The Bigges...
Dreamworld - The scam MMO gets worse: • Dreamworld - The scam ...
Dreamworld gets even worse?: • Dreamworld gets even w...
Dreamworld - Timeline of a scam MMO: • Dreamworld - Timeline ...
Dreamworld - The Craziest Gaming Scam Ever?: • Dreamworld - The Crazi...
The DreamWorld kickstarter is the tip of the scam iceberg: • The DreamWorld kicksta...
Dreamworld alpha is here...: • Dreamworld alpha is he...
What have dreamworld achieved in 2 weeks? spoiler. its laughable: • What have dreamworld a...

[@TheTrainMaster15]

God gave up too early by not throwing a third taxi at him

[@dotdot5906]

Just like America gave up too early by not throwing a third nuke at Japan

[@3mmmmmm]

Lmao

[@lukra7110]

LOL

[@Nixahma]

YIKES LMAO

[@ZakumPlayer]

He didn't think of the third time is a charm rule

[@DrVagax]

"They were running with me because they liked my music" This is the same caliber as "and everyone stood up and clapped"

[@brendancoulter5761]

At no point in my life have I ever ran after some one because I liked their music, because I like most people, do not want to be arrested.

[@duzk7588]

"they stopped at an intersection with me unlike all the other times when people just ran into the intersection without looking! They must really love my product!"

[@ZazooEel57]

It's also tone deaf. No woman wants to be followed by random people when they run, that's how true crime stories start.

[@Nono_istired]

Honestly i don't think anyone would appriciate being ran after… i cant imagine anyone believing him other than kids, so imagine kids are blasting their cringy music and then a whole ass crowd forms 😳

[@feralcyborggaming1531]

And Obama was there and gave me a thumbs up.

[@fathomtuns7127]

I love when snakeoil devs talk about their project having "every genre and style of game, all in one!" It's kinda like a paint manufacturer saying they've "mixed every color into one super awesome paint", but it just looks like expensive mud.

[@wolfsongrising]

can confirm, every time you mix paint, goes straight to muddy brown to eventually muddy black. Ain't worth nothing unless mud was what you wanted in the first place. Works the same with these kinds of games.

[@tafua_a]

Or, "The Homer"

[@panielrosebud]

anish kapoor-core

[@asteroidrules]

It's a telltale sign of either clueless or conmen. Anyone with actual development experience can tell you: feature bloat is the death of projects.

[@formallizard7085]

terraria.

[@Katie-hj5eb]

Wow every genre! I can't believe its a: - visual novel - turn based rpg - dating sim - 2D platformer - tactics game - metroidvania - text adventure All in one!

[@Silburific]

Don't forget rhythm game, turn-based strategy, real-time strategy, racing game (both realistic driving sim and the less realistic kart racer type), point-and-click adventure, farming sim, competitive fighter, and whatever games like Dead by Daylight are called where it's 4 vs 1 survival horror.

[@crashthedarklordplays2668]

the only game to have pretty much every genre is roblox but its closer to a game engine than an actual game , similar to flash games

[@oniplus4545]

you might wanna add racing, FPS, RTS, survival, horror, point and click, dungeon crawling, and sports to the genres

[@Pandidolod]

I love that it's a roguelike MMORPG and every time somebody else logs back in in your area, you get lost.

[@j19games24]

I love that it's a 1D, 2D, and 3D game at the same time! First of its kind!

[@gunterthekaiser6190]

If I had a penny for every failed MMO that saw itself as the greatest project ever made, I'd be rich enough to make the bloody game.

[@BrettonFerguson]

You should make a kickstarter. 😀

[@BrettonFerguson]

@@__Monke__ Wir müssen die Mäuse ausrotten.

[@gunnerhanks6481]

Rip Huxley

[@Anisza00]

@@BrettonFerguson z5ap

[@npc7677]

Lol666oy

[@ven7165]

"The last game you will ever play" is like a "Don't let your girlfriend catch you playing this" slogan.

[@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy]

The irony is for me it happened years ago and I don't even know what I played. Point of the story I quit gaming, many ppl I know did the same. Why? Well because EVERY game in the past 10 years is simply a scam and a pathetic excuse of existing. Best day of my life when I sold my PS4 and sold my ''gaming'' PC. If I ever need a actual gaming fix there is a modded PS2 running everything I will ever need in life. SO next all this couldn't care less what these clowns say. When corporate giants, ''PROS'' can't put together a damn game properly then WTF do you expect from two delusional clowns.

[@D0NU75]

The funniest part is that when i hear that selling point, the first thing that comes to my mind is Skyrim. The damn thing has so many mods you wouldn't live long enough to explore them all and they go from simple modifications that explore the Skyrim setting in genres like horror or comedy to big ass, DLC sized mods with their own lore and also the massively ones completely converting Skyrim into another game entirely. And you know what happens? At the end of the fucking day you would still be playing Skyrim and that's exactly what you'd say about that game. Honorary mentions to Roblox and Little Big Planet.

[@masterbaiter6969]

"you won't last 5 seconds playing this game"

[@Multigamer8000]

try some indies my g, they’re made by actual people who want to make fun stuff and not become rich, terraria, dead cells, don’t starve and stardew valley are some great games you should try out

[@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy]

@@Multigamer8000 Played them or at least try them all or most of them there is to be bothered with. Games are online access locked and paywalled therefore cannot care less even if a game is any good. For example I don't have access to Steam for a year now since my system is locked to a Windows7 OS and I couldn't care less to waste money on a new PC. This PC is from 2016 and well capable of running new games but due to garbage patches most games are dead now and need new systems. F that ... I AM DONE with these scams.

[@VonSnuggles1412]

"when I'd stop at an intersection they'd stop and look around like they were pretending not to notice me" Honestly him getting hit by a cab twice makes sense if he doesn't realize that people look both ways before crossing the street.

[@asteroidrules]

Or that they stop at red lights.

[@history-jovian]

​@@asteroidrulesor that they have common sense.

[@wantedbird55srandomchannel28]

​@@history-jovianI forgot to put an ice cream container in the freezer yesterday because I was distracted and even I'm not at the point where I choose the most unorthodox way to deal with an issue I'm responsible for.

[@Sailor-Khione]

Yeah now that I think about it, if it was true, they were probably looking both ways and ignoring him.

[@PointsofData]

Tbf looking around and not at somebody is something a lot of people do when they don't want to engage with them. He's really bad at picking up on social cues.

[@cewla3348]

on the 9th year of game dev my true love gave to me 9 banned journalists 8 broken games 7 unkept promises 6 pr disasters 5 child moderators 4 opaque developers 3 blatant lies 2 sob stories And an analasis on why it's bad!

[@owyemen9367]

More like 2 taxis

[@capt_syd]

And one fake ring!

[@HowToChangeName]

10 grand went missing

[@brycedonelan1937]

Love it

[@thelorekeeper8839]

Now, what's for 11?

[@crystalnadeau254]

Zach: Yeah, so I kept getting hit by cars, it was so weird. Also Zach: So later, I finally realized I was supposed to stop at intersections, and it was weird because everyone else was also stopping at the intersections--but it wasn't about the cars, it was about my music man. People couldn't get enough of it!

[@KingOhmni]

Lmao! Nailed the, ahem, logic at play here.

[@bigpigeon2002]

zach is a fitting name for him. very fitting.

[@Nervous101]

😂😂😂

[@history-jovian]

​@bigpigeon2002 Nah it is disrespect for many other zachs

[@someguy1865]

I hate it when a bunch of cars honk at me for not stopping when some pole with christmas colors turns red

[@daytonadangler9455]

When he was at the intersection there was a wait signal up so everyone needed to stop and they avoided eye contact because he was a maniac blasting dubstep from his backpack.

[@drekenproductions]

it was strange for him he normally just runs out into traffic and gets hit by a taxi but on this day he was really feeling the crowd

[@mariussuiram8658]

His mom never told him red lights mean you need to stop

[@JuvenileStacks]

That's a lot of big words for shin chsn 😂

[@KaladinVegapunk]

Hahaha right?? I remember in high school my buddy Patrick and i shoved a speaker into a binder and wired it to a discman, we'd blast metal and everyone thought it was sick as hell..but we were high schoolers..and as an adult i wear headphones because I'm not a dick

[@KaladinVegapunk]

This reminds me so much of the Cecret bracelet Kickstarter that captain disillusion covered years back, promising a hologram phone bracelet with a perfect image, which is impossible in daylight and on skin, a VERY blatant scam but raked in cash, then moved the funding to their website so they had zero restrictions requiring refunds. It's like as blatant as paying a psychic medium haha, or Goop, or even the Nigerian prince scam, where everyone knows it's a scam for suckers but you can't help naive people self selecting themselves as marks for these guys to suck the money from

[@gmoCantaloupe]

Never ask a woman her age, a man his salary, or Zachary Kaplan where his 9 years of game dev experience come from

[@scottydu81]

Or a Turk what happened in 1918

[@QueenLizby]

I feel like "my fiance left me soon after" could be a great meme template, like "I broke my leg, fell into debt with the mafia, and my fiance left me soon after" it just flows well as this "kick me while I'm down" kind of line that feels too comedic to be true.

[@angrybidoof847]

There are memes made from it.

[@Eli-wl8es]

it reminds me the "listen up liberal, my wife left me" meme with elon musk lol

[@Not_a_Lizard_]

It has that "my dog stepped on a bee" energy

[@askele-tonofgaming4878]

Theres this comedian who used to phone people and keep them on the phone with a fake story, one of his bits was literally him talking like a geek and talking about horrible events that happened to him, "I fell down the stairs, the mail man ran me over, and then my shoes fell off!" and every time he would end his rant with his shoes falling off as if it was the worst thing to happen.

[@BizarePlayer]

Sounds like a scummy mobile casino ad. "I lost my job, my fiance cheated on me, Ice cream cone ran over my dog and sob-sob-so on. But then I found *add scam app here* and my life has been AMAZING!!!"

[@KaeYoss]

"I was blasting music while running and I noticed people following me" That is to be expected. The surprising part is when they didn't beat the living daylight out of him when they caught him.

[@younis8208]

HAHAHAHAHA

[@lemolea9571]

The quote was actually "when I stopped at any intersections, people would stop and look around with me" which baffles me because like... yeah? what else they gonna do, keep going dumbass? That's probably how he got ran over twice.

[@jubb1984]

Bravo 😆😅🤣

[@AlyrArkhon]

exactly what I wanted to comment

[@revid01]

@@Arigator2 💀

[@gyroscope915]

Technically I worked at google. They ran an competition type thing at my uni and selected a few students to intern with them for a couple months. It ended up being all the interns mostly sitting in a corner talking shit with each other and occasionally a few us would be allowed to sit in on design meetings to see how they played out. That was about it. The biggest thing I learned during that intership was some guy taught me to play YU GI YO while we where sitting around. But I still get to say I was an intern at google, even if I did nothing there and learned nothing.

[@---pj1xz]

You mean YU GI OH?

[@ddraigtheonion]

To be fair, Yu-Gi-Oh can be incredibly hard to learn, especially nowadays

[@DrewskiTheLegend]

So having played competitive Yugioh successfully, I can put that on my resume. “Mastered skills taught to the next generation of tech employees at Google”. I think I now have the credentials to create a startup and develop an impossible MMO.

[@dorugoramon0518]

@@DrewskiTheLegend Ive made it to platinum in master duel using drytron, therefore I am qualified for an upper management job making peons miserable.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Considering how downright impossible Yu-Gi-Oh is to learn now, I would say that buddy of yours is impressive.

[@Kolbatsu]

Josh pretty much summed up my thoughts about this "game" perfectly and how I immediately knew it was a huge scam. Nobody makes games to make "the ultimate game" or play games to find the "ultimate game". It's no different than the kind of stuff AI bros talk about art and media.

[@olivercharles2930]

I don't recall AI bros talking like this lol

[@Ze_eT]

@@olivercharles2930 I think they might be referring to Cryptobros, with pretty much every single project being hailed as "the definite crypto project", and them chanting about crypto taking over the world and replacing fiat currencies for months. Months later, and crypto is still a gimmick and mostly made out of memecoins and JPEGs.

[@romancatholicgameing]

​@@Ze_eT don't forget about it only polluting the earth even more! God bless the stupid monkey picture that is killing mother earth!

[@luyandolove]

@@olivercharles2930lemme guess: You’re an AI bro?

[@rubyy.7374]

@@olivercharles2930 “AI IS TAKING OVER, GUYS! WE’LL NEVER NEED HUMANS TO MAKE [insert media here] EVER AGAIN!”

[@_JPkun]

"Enum" it's a data type in coding that can convert values into sequential numbers (Enumeration). It's useful for simple state machines and better code readability, for example, if you're making a RPG game and your character can get poisoned, you'll have a value for when the character is fine, and for when it's poisoned, let's say 0 and 1 respectively, this is ideal for the computer, but for you and your coworkers it might be cofusing seeing something like "If character is 1 then loose 10 HP" so we use an enum for FINE and POISONED that will translate those words to the computer so it understands it better and your team will be able to read the code clearly! So... no, enums will not make your MMO game support millions of players.

[@zyriantel9601]

So what you’re saying is, Dream World inflicted Poison on my PC?

[@_JPkun]

@@zyriantel9601 I believe so.

[@zyriantel9601]

@@_JPkun Fuck.

[@alfonshedstrom9859]

Theres a rather early point into someones programming career that theyll realise that enums and switch cases is not what makes your code singlehandedly "optimized"

[@history-jovian]

@@zyriantel9601 Literally

[@schleepy6362]

Dude the amount of “drama sighs” during his sob story is hilarious.

[@schleepy6362]

@Antonella Nicolino 13:26 "the prior seven monthshhhhh I was applying to at least ten new jobs every dayhhhhh and then suddenlyhhhh at the end of januaryhhhh an incredible opportunity wanted to hire mehhhhhhhh and the start date was March 17thhhhh and hhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH-"

[@Moerighan]

drama sigh is right lmao, I read your comment before I heard it and then totally understood xD

[@quietblake6997]

Dude's clearly a tweaker.. His fucking pupils dude, idk if he was concussed during his "Accidents" or he's doing tons of fuckin' blow.

[@jezefelto333]

True! Still a better actor than Amber Turd tho ^^

[@tivvy2vs21]

Like Chris chan's stress sighs

[@PenguinDT]

Every time I hear it, I'm in stitches. It's too perfect. Dude getting hit by multiple taxis is amazed how people stop at intersections to look around. The conclusion; must be my speakers. To this day, I can't tell which is worse - that it is real and that is his thought process, or that he made it up thinking it was a good sales pitch.

[@Slamdoxicalz]

I can just imagine him running around while taxis are trying to Carmageddon him

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

I believe the reason why they tried to run him over was because he gave them fake money, those cocolate coins in shiny aluminium packaging

[@t0xcn253]

Wow, you are absolutely right, I thought he was just lying but this is way funnier.

[@melody3741]

I NEVER CINNECTED THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER THATS SO HILARIOUS

[@JossCard42]

Reminds me of an old Dilbert cartoon about an engineering mindset: "The bicycle seat is too hard. It hurts to ride on the hard seat. SOLUTION: stupid-looking biking shorts." So hearing someone getting hit by a taxi and thinking, "I should reinvent the portable boombox to solve this issue" didn't seem too far-fetched. Granted, that was the _most_ plausible thing that left his mouth so...

[@starbit5065]

JSH honestly summarized the situation perfectly. They weren't trying to make a game, they were trying to make a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. The typical Silicon Valley tech-bro trap of thinking up and marketing a concept to investors first, before even considering if said concept is practical or even possible.

[@konstantingeist3587]

"The last game you'll ever play" sounds like a death threat, or a warning, to me Like, "this sketchy yoghurt is the last thing you'll ever drink"

[@MrFish475]

I think the claim that "I have nine years of experience in game dev because I write down ideas all the time" is hilarious. That'd be like if I said "Oh, I'm a bodybuilder. I THINK about going to the gym all the time!"

[@MrFish475]

@WickedWiz1 Hey, look! A fake scam account!

[@ourgoldenspires]

that's literally exactly what it is hilarious

[@offgridgoldau]

i like to work out, i put a cinder block on the ground walk around it twice, then tell my friends i walked around the block a few times.

[@ericwijaya2119]

This is unironically why aside from dealing with copyright infringement 24/7 I write down game ideas on my notebook and keep it that way, avoid pursuing further goals Aside from the fact that my imagination is mostly based on whatever hyperfixated games I had in my head at the time, coding it into reality is just as big if not a bigger problem than being actually original since I forgot all my coding lessons and the place I got my coding lessons from shut down due to covid. Dark time lemme tell ya.

[@MemeOnTWD]

“Oh, I’m an artist. I think of amazing artworks all the time.”

[@namAehT]

Fun Fact: MAC addresses can be spoofed super easily, meaning literally anyone could just change it and sign in under someone else's profile.

[@yeeN4W]

Ya just change 2-4 digits. Lol

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

It also would make trolling and griefing very easy. If one gets banned, they just change the MAC address of their NIC, which is easily done with a linux live session and basic console commands and re-enter the game under a new profile.

[@0Ciju0]

Yup, you don't even need proprietary software haha

[@guppyfeesh]

I’m learning cyber security in college and it’s literally chapter 2 on the introduction for cyber security, spoofing Mac addresses lol

[@InvincibleSol]

TMac.

[@marowae211]

My theory is that they wanted to hype it up enough and make it seem like it had endless support, so an actual development company would buy it off of them for millions.

[@privatizitat815]

Being a "serial" entrepreneur does not sound like a good thing

[@Vortex-zs9hi]

Sounds criminal

[@ContentifyExists]

Sounds criminal

[@Vortex-zs9hi]

@@ContentifyExists sound criminal

[@Inkspeckle]

whenever I hear someone describe themselves as a "serial entrepeneur" what that tells me is that they're someone who either can't commit to a project long-term or someone who has overinflated ideas that repeatedly fail on contact with reality.

[@cameronwilsey9334]

Yep, what I hear us that they're either a failure or a fraud

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

"Fail on contact with reality." I shall be borrowing that line, thank you 😂

[@Theaterfreak]

It gives me Billy MacFarlane (of Fyre) vibes.

[@TheUluxian]

It's sort of like John Cena or Ric Flair being former 16 time world wrestling champions.. All that means is that they failed to hold on to it 16 times...

[@snakewithapen5489]

@The Uluxian yeah but at the very least that means they learned and improved 16 times. More than the devs of this game can say lol

[@AkhierDragonheart]

It is simply amazing how much Callum has programmed out of spite

[@Ejsmich]

DUNGEONS PATH, please post more frequently!

[@AkhierDragonheart]

@@Ejsmich I'm posting as much as my current situation allows. Right now I'm writing two stories, and working as a cashier to make ends meet. I do have some plans for the future, but right now things are looking more red than green when it comes to my situation.

[@Ejsmich]

@@AkhierDragonheart its okay sorry if i imposed to much stress, hope your plans get realized!

[@AkhierDragonheart]

@@Ejsmich No problem, people ask all the time so I must admit, my response is a bit canned. The long term plan is of course to be able to support myself entirely off of my writing, which since I already make more from it than I do my job as a cashier, isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. Short term though there are some things I'm not willing to lock down yet that might put a few extra chapters out there.

[@Pihsrosnec]

this reply section wasn't what I was expecting lol

[@FizzleFX]

"last game You ever play" I think it's a threat. It's so bad you die.

[@cicadaseance]

"The last game you ever play" sounds like a threat, like those two freaks are going to straight up Sword Art Online me

[@Sinyao]

People like this gives me confidence that I wouldn't make the WORST game if I gave it a shot.

[@WolfLykaios]

Don't fall for what that guy is promising, it is a scam.

[@Sinyao]

I'm getting really tired of bots.

[@zyriantel9601]

My old eighth grade computer class had a super basic program where you could create your own animations, with very VERY basic coding mechanics in order to make things flow like you want them to. They had a bunch of pre-written code snippets in a sidebox to help you quickly and easily slap down a list of actions you wanted your animation to perform. I don't remember what the program was called, but even for an eighth grader, I cannot stress this enough, it was extremely easy to get a handle on the mechanics of it. Any one of my old crappy eighth grade animations in that program would still be leaps and bounds better than what Dreamworld turned out to be. They actually, you know... worked. And I wasn't at risk of doxxing myself for even turning the damn thing on. (I am _floored_ by that part of the video, how do you seriously make it so that login is done through MAC address? That is asking for people to get hacked, holy shit.)

[@Dild0swaggins63]

@@zyriantel9601 are you talking about scratch

[@zyriantel9601]

@@Dild0swaggins63 That’s the one, thank you!

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

Whenever I see the Dreamworld digging mechanic, I remember how Subnautica used to have digging, until the devs decided to take it out, making the game more streamlined. I feel like there's a lesson there somewhere.

[@Neyna4ever]

They did it because save files were WAY too heavy and were over giga (programming issue because it's doable with small save files). But maybe the most interesting thing about that is that is was not needed at all for gameplay.

[@burp2019]

iirc it caused a lot of performance issues

[@THE_REDACTED]

I remember... You'd dig a small tunnel and your FPS would drop to 10, and then you'd drop a large item from your inventory into the tunnel and get catapulted 50km outside the skybox

[@hallo0hoi]

When its comes to the core gameplay loop of a game, less is indeed quite often more. Unless you're building something like a 4X game, then you need a certain amount of complexity to the cause and effect cycles to create meaningful choices.

[@cementarii8458]

another reason it was removed was because it would break the story of the game, you wouldnt need to explore and find cave entrances, you wouldnt need to sneak past the scary leviathan monsters if you could just dig past them etc

[@mgmx2099]

They may not have been professional scammers, but you don't have to be a hitman to commit murder.

[@yamihikarilightdark9]

Right, if they’re not a scammer in the way where they had the intent to never deliver from the get go, they can still end up scamming people (those who buy a product that has a deceptive or false description). But at best, they’re ignorant, and at worst, they’re scumbags.

[@germen2631]

A software dev here. "Enums" always gets me XD. The guy is outclassing the biggest companies in the industry with enums. Worth pointing out, the little explanation he gives about what an enum is, "you simplify that down". The guy is explaining the concept of abstraction. If you don't have a basic idea of what abstraction is, you wouldn't be able to make the simplest of codes. It's a core concept of software, not the brilliant idea you have to revolutionize it.

[@TotallyNotRedneckYall]

As a pleb, that dude was NOT convincing, I've seen better tech babble in bad sci fi shows. No idea how so many people fell for it.

[@cinderheart2720]

Even in their own sales pitch, their idea is... a Minecraft Anarchy server. Which isn't something most people want even if they could deliver on it. If I could level mountains on my own, then any player who didn't join in the first week would see only a barren and griefed wasteland.

[@lewerewoof]

My mind immediately went to 2B2T. Just pure anarchy and lack of moderation over an infinite world would bring chaos

[@UltimatePerfection]

@@lewerewoof If the world is truly infinite, then it's logical to assume that there will be always some plot of ungriefed land. It may be a far bit away from the spawn, but it would be there.

[@percher4824]

@@UltimatePerfection But what would be the point? You'd die on the way there.

[@trainmaster997]

@@UltimatePerfection I agree with percher and want to add on that traveling that much of a distance isn’t usually that easy of a job.

[@PlatoonGoon]

@@UltimatePerfection on 2b2t it's common to spend real world hours just to get to a 'safe' place. The first hour is genuinely just lava, huge pits, and flat earth barren without grass or dirt. It's not fun.

[@julianhernandez5188]

I ended up applying for a job with these guys because I saw them advertising a hybrid job on YCombinator and thought it was legit. Garrison told me they expected people to be in the office 6 full days a week, and that all tech startups were like this. After the interview where he said we wouldn't be a good match because I was looking for a normal work schedule, he then sent me an email asking to schedule another interview apparently by accident. Dodged a bullet

[@qweqwe9678]

tread lightly around anything from ycombinator these days.

[@taramullen6521]

Glad you didn't get the job. No offence. God knows what kind of abuse you would have endured for so little pay.

[@jessicastjames6202]

"that all tech startups were like this" Such bullshit, and it's so upsetting that people fall for this shit. Working 7-day weeks is what company FOUNDERS are expected to do, not employees. If you're not being given the same amount of stake in the company as them, then they don't get to demand that you work the same number of hours. Minimum wage = 40 hours/week and not a single minute more.

[@pechi6801]

I call bs lol

[@jmmywyf4lyf]

@@jessicastjames6202 lol what?! Have you ever worked a labor job???

[@Jedi-xm7rw]

When he got hit twice by cars, I like that his decision wasn't to: 1. Stop listening to music, 2. Wear open-back headphones or something that would allow him to hear the surrounding environment better. 3 look both ways when you cross the street. But to start up a company and spend a ton of money to make a Bluetooth speaker, which isn't exactly a revolutionary device.

[@history-jovian]

Yep and go on to tell this story to the internet

[@wantedbird55srandomchannel28]

​@@history-jovianThen solve gaming. That's how you stop car collisions the right way.

[@PinkManGuy]

As someone named Zach, now I know how people named Dan, Fred, Tom, etc feel when watching video essays.

[@wantedbird55srandomchannel28]

That set of names and your's sound like a TMNT-like team that fight of octopus-like aliens using rock n roll and video games that would be in a show airing in the early 2010s or something on Disney XD or Nickelodeon.

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

How bad must a ring be to be considred as fake ? lmao The wedding rings from me and my wife were 180€, because we were broke af back then. We wear them since 10 years without them falling apart, getting discoloured or breaking. The ring the dream guy gave his fiance must have been $5 from a bubble gum vending machine or a 1 dollar store something.

[@davisvoelzke8011]

True

[@sunessetham627]

Yeah. It's not like there's only one type of ring in the world. There are relatively cheap rings as well as expensive rings but they are all real rings. For example I can see a phone being a ”fake iPhone”, but I can't imagine how bad a phone must be to be considered a "fake phone".

[@lethaldream50]

@@sunessetham627 that analogy got me thinking about the difference between fakeness and functionality. like what is more useless, a phone the size of a grain of sand that is technically a functional phone (maybe you can use it with a magnifying glass and tweezers idk) or a replica phone that is a perfect replica but nonfunctional. and are rings more like chairs, than they are like phones? is bootleg designer clothing at some point just increasing the value of the brand without damaging sales proportionally aka free advertising cuz people who buy bootlegs are too poor to afford the brand anyway? then i thought about debeers and how they have to impose artificial scarcity to keep the diamond market going as i looped back around to rings sorry navelgazing chain of thoughts here

[@Erraddo]

@@sunessetham627 i guess just a bad quality steel or brass, painted gold? That'd be a fake gold ring at least, and have trouble refitting

[@just_kris]

@@lethaldream50 Bro it's midnight for me and you are fucking my brain. But I get your point.

[@DarkVortex97]

Okay the "enums" thing is actually hilarious. It's literally the same thing as saying "Integers" as the solution to this intractable problem lol

[@henotic.essence]

We're going to use NUMBERS to solve this! 😂😂😂

[@zyriantel9601]

@@henotic.essence Well God damn, I should certainly hope so! Programming kind of depends on those numbers! I nearly made myself sick laughing when I heard that part.

[@lazerpie101]

what do you mean? Of course we can store a dynamically changing variable into a static value, and it will definitely be a smaller value just because you changed the data type!

[@Amorfis]

I barely have any programming knowledge and even I laughed out loud when he said that

[@oliverdomke8417]

Enums make state machines prettier not synthesize 5d matter

[@notyetrain]

"Zach has always had this idea of a single, global game world" damn that's crazy because I have had the exact same idea before and so has basically every person that has ever played a video game

[@apollo3997]

I really disagree that these guys aren't malicious and are just optimistic. Optimistic developers do not echo chamber out criticism especially when the internet is unanimously against them. These guys are not dumb. They aren't ignorant. They aren't too hopeful. They know exactly what they are doing and that they could never deliver on these promises. That's why they have these failsafes to protect against lawsuits like delivering the bare minimum alpha. They're conmen and scam artists. I think his fiance is just biased because she knew them in person. Passionate and dedicated people do not behave like this and they don't conduct projects like this at all, only scammers do. When it's clear that these guys aren't ignorant, there's only one thing left to attribute it to, and that's malice.

[@kice1102]

it's definitely a bit of both. Optimistic developers with a habit of lying.

[@yamihikarilightdark9]

Some people just really do not handle pushback (from neutral criticism to angry complaints) at all. Especially certain kinds of people that feel like they’re always right. So I can see a non-scammer getting fed up and just reacting by shutting people up, even if the censorship will kick their own ass. Esp when many of their discord mods were kids. Though even if I don’t see this as a fully intended scam from the get go, I see it as an impossible project led by scummy pathological liars that are too “ambitious” (flighty and unrealistic) but still feel like they’re smarter/better than others.

[@mikeyzero2439]

I drove a taxicab in a major American city for almost ten years and there's no way he was hit twice by cabs. He has no idea how much life-altering hassle would result from hitting a pedestrian on the job, and distracted wandering d-bags like this genius are the number one hazard I would be trying to avoid.

[@MegidolErin]

He's either completely lying or by "hit" he means they slammed on their brakes and honked at him

[@jordanpowell2242]

@@MegidolErin reminds me a story involving my dad a retried truck driver where when turning on a narrow street he had to run over the curb and some lawyer kept sticking his foot out in front of my dad’s truck, my dad got so mad he hopped out and pointed and called the guy out in front of everyone there on the street.

[@killerzer0x74]

I don’t even drive for my job and there’s literally a town I drive through to get to work, a 25 mph zone... pretty slow... there are also 2 crosswalks, both effectively right next to each-other...... The people living in that town want people to drive SLOWER than the posted speed limit...now why would you want people to drive slower? Well it turns out the idiots living there want to not only walk right past multiple crosswalks only to cross the street anyway [usually while there is a vehicle 10 fucking inches from them] but instead of wanting to walk out in front of cars that will definitely kill them... they want to walk in front of cars that might kill them............MAYBE USE THE CROSSWALK THAT IS A FEW STEPS AWAY FROM YOU WHERE I AM WATCHING FOR PEOPLE CROSSING THE STREET INSTEAD OF WHERE I HAVE NO REASON TO LOOK FOR PEOPLE!!! OR JUST STOP BEING STUPID AND SPRINTING OUT IN FRONT OF VEHICLES, THEN YOU CAN ASK US TO DRIVE SLOWER

[@killerzer0x74]

The amount of times I see people almost commit suicide there is insane and they want us who are just trying to get to and from work to slow down for their stupidity

[@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar]

@@MegidolErin "The sheer force of the air pushed forward by the car slammed into me and sent me flying into the asphalt of the road at mach 27, this is why I invented a speaker on a strap."

[@MisterNightfish]

I'd argue nothing went wrong with dreamworld. Did anyone at any point genuinely believe there would be a game here? All I ever saw was a scam working as intended.

[@Nerathul1]

I'm not entirely sure how much it is a scam and how much it is the Dunning-Kruger effect at work, they probably thought they'd get some finances, off-load it to contractors and rake the money in. It's the silicon valley way. Overpromise and offload the work to someone else.

[@shaggyg7354]

I mean i guess the people who backed it up thought it was gonna be a game

[@patrickbateman7904]

If you are still falling for this crap after decades of vapourware, you are the equivalent of an elderly person getting scammed on the phone and only have your own self to blame in that situation.

[@EPICWEEGEEFACE]

@@patrickbateman7904 Elderyly folks can literally not be mentally capable of taking care of themselves, they don't 'deserve' to be scammed. Most scammers go for people who really aren't going to know better or have much thought. Can't expect a senile old man to remember that the IRS doesn't ask for checks

[@sexyshadowcat7]

@@patrickbateman7904 Yeah don't blame the thieves stealing! Just blame the poor asshole that got stolen from that makes a fuckload of sense.

[@ComfyCherry]

the problem with having lots of connections on a single server is you have to compensate for the different speeds and latencies these connections have, track and send that data to everyone connected as well as calculating interactions between characters, you can probably imagine how quickly that can build up and become impossible to maintain.

[@jacksonreynolds7433]

Less than one minute in: "2 Silicon Valley tech bros." Say no more. I get it. I get everything i need to know

[@ouij]

Counterpoint: Years ago, I was high on acid at DragonCon in Atlanta. Some stormtroopers were walking around listening to an endless loop of Flux Pavilion's "I Can't Stop" and I followed them for about 45 minutes before I remembered my original plan was to get a pizza. I'm just saying, it IS possible to follow a speaker if you're dumb enough.

[@hithere2631]

Common L by humanity

[@niconewport]

when is dcon gonna add the official doing acid track 🤨

[@AdventureSpence]

Honestly sounds like a pretty good time

[@themoocow7718]

Conga line. Sounds fun.

[@foodaah]

​@@themoocow7718 "its conga time babies" -heavy tf2

[@isabell3462]

Dreamworld devs: ah yes we're going to win game development, something that is both normal to want and possible to achieve

[@ZorotheGallade]

"How are you even going to accmplish that?" "Yes."

[@zyriantel9601]

@@ZorotheGallade "And also you're banned from our Discord."

[@cameron7374]

@@ZorotheGallade "Enums."

[@AverageUsernames]

"devs"

[@bluepikmin6363]

@@cameron7374 "Code?" "Code." _"Yes."_

[@CutestDemon]

Personally, lying about other people, banning people with genuine questions, even leaving EXTREMELY vulnerable data everywhere, selling out themselves with yet more lies and dodgy acting doesnt really sound like "guys who are just naive" that sounds more like "compulsive liars using money for their own benefits" such as the time they got a bunch of money and IMMEDIATELY went on holiday doesnt really sound good But thats just me, i guess having a charming smile means you cant be an absolute dick, right? :)

[@history-jovian]

These guy are indeed scammers

[@MsCelous]

"The last game you'll ever play" sounds like a threat to me

[@DaimyoD0]

2:51 **drops out of college to start a company that makes wearable Bluetooth speakers to disturb other people's peace and quiet on running trails** Well, we're off to a great start. And this is even coming from someone who _still likes_ dubstep.

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

Thos people weren't perhaps not even following him during his running workouts, they were chasing him.

[@DaimyoD0]

@@hyperturbotechnomike LOL

[@oz_jones]

@@hyperturbotechnomike or you know, it was a red light

[@zyriantel9601]

@@oz_jones Ah, the lovely scream of feedback loops.

[@zyriantel9601]

Dubstep can be awesome if you know where you're looking, as with most other genres of music that I could name off the top of my head. But I would NOT subject society at large to putting dubstep on full blast while I walk down the street. There are still people in this world who think rock music is the work of the devil, for fuck's sake.

[@Joeyisagonnawin]

Seeing them side by side, Zach and Garrison have inverted face shapes. Zach's face tapers inward towards the middle, like an hourglass. Garrison's face flares outward, like a balloon. Reminds me of the bots from Portal 2, actually.

[@dopesickdog]

HAAA

[@yuiopqwert2172]

Lmao

[@maomaomi5434]

Lol I was thinking that Zach's face looks oddly symmetrical, like when cs188 makes those JoႱ jokes.

[@widjayagohpeircess5777]

@@maomaomi5434 yeah come to think of it, he does look like the JooJ

[@ethanhughes3162]

at least the bots from portal 2 were actually funny sometimes

[@CarlNiemi]

Extremely generous to say that they didn't intend to mislead when they do very clearly intentionally mislead people by straight-up lying about their previous work experience

[@toddtaylor6506]

Serial-entrepreneur = frat bro that thinks he's too good to work for someone, so he starts his own businesses.

[@robertlee2092]

This Dreamworld game really does have it all! Enums, variables, classes, functions… All the classic data types from int to float, bool to string, it truly is everything you’ve ever wanted in a game.

[@Thebdippy]

The ones, the zeroes, it's got the complete package, baby

[@resentfulshrimp8044]

Dare I say we might also have an Interface too

[@isaacpaintsemrouboanderline.]

It also has graphics and controls! What more could you ask for?

[@bojkashapirax6283]

My god... I can't believe how groundbreaking this team is, they even used arrays! Fucking phenomenal

[@Nevernamed]

@@resentfulshrimp8044 You really think they know how interfaces work?

[@ayior]

About the Mannequin that is also used in other demos. It's even worse. That mannequin comes shipped with Unreal as a default character, complete with animations and movement system. If you create a new project (3rd person template) it just comes with it ready to run around and everything. About as much work as having a blank page in Word. (Source: Im an Unreal Dev, got an itch site under the same name lol)

[@mateeos]

saw this comment and that's exactly what I remember it from. When you boot up Unreal Engine you can select it when creating a new game project. I think they call it 3rd person CharacterController

[@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy]

@@mateeos Most things in the past 10 years have auto generated things and character control are out of box. It's a mannequin that is simply being reskinned in game projects adding features in basically clicking on checkboxes or creating paths. In one afternoon sitting you can make a character with all it's features from tasks to skills to interactions, everything. Open worlds can be generated in two days and refined (bug fixing) the 3rd or 4th day. Lets say spend a week and you have a full huge map. I been toying around in engines 5 years ago and find it pathetic how simple it is, it's childplay. Completely lose respect in game development, since even tho we have lots of simple tools games often have barely anything to offer. No content, walking and or driving simulators, A to B location talk to this NPC come back and s--t like that. GTFO By now games should be multiple genres and games combined, from GTA missions, police officer, fireman, paramedic (jobs) etc to building your own house etc. EVERYTHING in one game.

[@BzrLee]

@@minmogrovingstrongandhealthyif it is this easy you for you why you wont make one. companies will throw you millions if you have the capacity to do what you are saying as apparently you are better than the millions of developers that have wasted decades of their life on game development. I literally could write a music right here right now while sitting in my own setup with basic shit. literally write a song then put a tune on it, so easy. Maybe i should play basketball as well, shit so easy. every single move is already done on footage and i can do them on a court easily. i should be in the nba earning $50M per year. lost respect for this nba players that cant shoot from the three point line, knowing that they could earn potentially tens of millions more if they could. just shoot idiot. Wonder why this things that seems simple does not works when applied to real life. Damn idiots on the internet really think what they do on their own solo playground is as applicable on real life is goddamn hilarious. Wonder why this things that seems simple does not works when applied to real life. Really shows who have no experience working on a real life environment.

[@agentarachnid2009]

@@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy Simple things that are unconnected are easy. Try building up a complex series of systems and then say that everything is auto generated. I'm a UE developer, and do some tutorials on my channel. See if it's as easy as you say it is to make a packaged and delivered game

[@jonaut5705]

@@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy Have you even tried making a real game? Why do you think games take so long to develop if I can just click a few buttons?

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

After getting hit by two taxis, I think Zach was isekai'd and the dream world he was in while unconscious became his goal in real life 😅.

[@saul4265]

For real 💀

[@phil6844]

Kira, Callum, Josh and Wicked. The 4 horsemen of the scampocolips.

[@ShinStriderHiryu]

Theres stopdropretro, the king of anti scam kickstarters

[@dappermolerat6108]

“The last game you’ll ever play” sounds like a threat

[@Nibiri3304]

bro found the freaking red room and then released it💀

[@history-jovian]

This is the type of threat that an emo would give.

[@DirectorDelta]

*Sword Art Online intensifies*

[@jackkenseng2164]

Normal people: I'm gonna make a little RPG maker game and then study a basic engine These guys: GREATEST MMO OF ALL TIME YEEEEAAAH

[@RusticRonnie]

I would say most people just jump right into unity or unreal, and just follow a youtube tutorial series

[@zyriantel9601]

@@RusticRonnie I’ve tried to muddle my way through RPG maker. It’s been a bit of a trial, but I could feasibly make a (small) town and a (small) dungeon, so I’d say I’m making good progress.

[@Spyciality]

When you’re tired of walking into trees so you make a portable flame thrower

[@Nwordscissorhands1738]

Zach embodies all the worst stereotypes of early 2010s Bros

[@youtube-kit9450]

Early 2010s? Crypto/Techbros in the 2020s are literally the same.

[@DrRipper19]

If coming up with ideas for games, writing them down, and messing around with asset creation and game engines is "nine years experience in game development" then I've been a game developer since I was four years old apparently

[@Shenaldrac]

Dude that's great! Put that in your kickstarter pitch!

[@Sorrelhas]

I really should write down the ideas I have, even if they're dumb

[@benjamincooper358]

Wow… I’ve been an author for about fourteen years and I’m only just finishing up my first book now.

[@Hourglass36]

My favorite part is the "load time improvements", achieved by deleting players who have abused the horribly buggy inventory system

[@insomniacjack729]

His funding video reaked of KZbin apology videos. He even had the fake deep sigh before the "my fiance left me" line.

[@NinjaLFB]

You should make a series similar to defunctland but for unfinished/unreleased/discontinued games, obviously starting with Yandere Sim because I'll never grow tired of hearing people call the dev out every few years

[@buttsaggington6379]

consume the chalice

[@iloveanothermanswives4278]

To be fair, Yandere Dev has a playable demo and it is not like every random indie game manage to kick off an actualy release. That's pretty much majority of indies can go btw.

[@neoqwerty]

​@@iloveanothermanswives4278 Even Duke Nukem Forever managed to get a full game out in the time Yandere Sim took to make a demo. That there's something out there that makes me able to praise DNF is its own kind of wild.

[@gyroscope915]

@@iloveanothermanswives4278 not every random indie game has the huge amount of time and funding yan dev got. Most indie games are made by a group of friends in spare time. Yan dev claims he spends the majority of his time working on the game and has received tens of thousands in funding. Not really fair to compare him to random indie devs anymore, dude is failure

[@killerzer0x74]

Remember when early access actually meant early access instead of “in development for 30 more years, have a product that won’t even remotely be what you are paying for”?

[@btbarr16]

I feel like that during the brainstorm for this project, the phrases "how hard could it be?" and "we'll figure it out." Was said a lot. Sometimes, it's a good idea to have a third person in the room who'll say, "it's incredibly hard."

[@zyriantel9601]

“How hard could it be?” *Quietly begins laying out spreadsheets*

[@manzanito3652]

They have that third person, is that most of the time they are either ignored, fired and replaced by a "yes" guy, or they retire themselves before eveything goes down.

[@TheCaffeinholic]

its so funny that a year later theres an dreamworld ad on the side while watching this video

[@StateBlaze1989]

Those sob stories of theirs sound exactly like the bullshit you hear in all those scam product ads.

[@Surgie]

Crazy that a game like this sort of exists (not an mmo) but a weird dev passion project of multiple genres mashed together, it’s called Kenshi

[@axiom1967]

Praise Okran we have a man of culture here!

[@toastedbread5985]

The more I hear about Kenshi the more I think I need to try it

[@zyriantel9601]

@@toastedbread5985 Be wary, it is not a kind game. I mean, by all means, try it out, it’s great, but IT IS NOT A KIND GAME.

[@naughtyhieroglyph669]

@@toastedbread5985 one does not try kenshi, kenshi tries you.

[@wolfsongrising]

@@zyriantel9601 sounds like when I started Don't Starve, and slowly learning to accept that dying is how we learned to survive lol

[@jek__]

It's weird how idiots consistently make the best scam artists. They can sell a stupid story wholeheartedly, lie through their teeth, and still not understand whats going on enough to feel like theyre ripping people off. Being able to be a bad person but not realize it has serious advantages in the environment we find ourselves in

[@mushyroom9569]

I know people like to apply Hanlon’s Razor, but these two display far too much low cunning for it to be applicable.

[@honestabe411]

Big bankman fried vibes

[@pearltothejam]

Callum seems to be very good at spotting tech bro scams judging by the Elon Musks plastered all over his room

[@daniellevy4104]

I don’t understand what’s wrong here, their plan worked exactly as intended … to take naive people’s money 🙄

[@romanfuchs1932]

Its great to see Wiz stand on so many things.

[@GegenscheinVRC]

He’s a real upstanding fellow

[@zyriantel9601]

Truly, a man of his word.

[@romanfuchs1932]

@@GegenscheinVRC Thats true

[@ChimeraMK]

@@GegenscheinVRC Sounds like a really stand-up guy.

[@Unknown-rm8zp]

@@ChimeraMK lol

[@stevep9177]

If anyone is curious about the reupload, check Wiz's twitch stream of Alien Isolation (wickedwiz_twitch). Explanation starts at about the 5 minute mark, but here is a summary: On the way to the gym at about 7am, he made a youtube community post saying the video was coming later today, not realizing that the video was already live! Turns out he set the premiere for 6am, instead of 6pm as intended. He privated the video in a bit of a panic. There were no significant changes to the second premiere, nor were there any DMCA or community guidelines shenanigans.

[@Dietskittles]

Thank you for the explanation. I thought I was going crazy for a second, lol.

[@YceSzmiff]

Thanks!

[@GegenscheinVRC]

This is why I’ve set my phone for 24 hour time. Too many instances of my wake-up alarm going off in the afternoon

[@zyriantel9601]

Whoops lol

[@CyberVonCyberus]

Lmao, classic mistake.

[@Hexiad]

2:52 A wearable bluetooth speaker is an incredibly obnoxious idea if you're not completely alone.

[@leadlime29]

I've joined a dev team similar to this before, while not quite on this level of scale, it consisted of underprepared devs that were either not doing anything or didn't know how. The project was very loosely managed and was promised to release three months while being in the "planning" stage. It was, too, an ambitious game that ended up being the team's first game (other than another one that had a few drawings and then was cancelled). Not a fun place to be in.

[@hcy0772]

“In March 2020 I was living with my fiancé in New York City” literally cried after hearing this, no one should have to live through that pain

[@A_Stereotypical_Guy]

He could have just said he is a raging libtard and that would have explained 90% of his past.

[@SobeCrunkMonster]

i wonder if the “people of the land” will wake up and stop voting left for the left’s sake.

[@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy]

@@SobeCrunkMonster newsflash USA is ran by bots and there is a overlord controlling them. You have two sides, both do the same at least the end result it is the same. Producing idiots, overpopulating the world with them, burning money and terrorizing the world. One day ''someone'' will have enough and erase you from the face of the earth. Chances are USA will probably erase themselves. I mean it already happens and is a miracle it still exists. But one day it will be zero trace of this place ever existing.

[@galaxythebat]

@uNnHkP8mza the crazy political motherfuckers struck. watch them say something racist next

[@lambda-m1676]

@@SobeCrunkMonster This is not politics

[@Just_Lars]

See, the thing is, there IS an mmo that basically attempted (and archived) at least at some level what they promised: it's called Dual Universe. I was very cautious about that too, it sounded too good. And when you look at their dev history (they've been rather transparent with that) you see how many problems they needed to overcome to even realize the foundation for what they promised. Not speaking of the all the game play mechanics. They started developing in 2011 if I remember right (at least thats when I heard the first time from it) released a few weeks ago and it still looks like a kind of Beta game. Like, all the systems are basically in place but it doesn't look like...fun. Even with all the work they put into it. And now there are two guys, with probably a fraction of the resources the devs of Dual Universe had. Making promises even this game never made like that. I mean, sure, people are desperate for new, good mmo's. But it screams "shady" from every inch. And I don't understand why people are not a bit more sceptic. That doesn't mean to stomp every game with a crazy vision, but wait at least for them to show actual results that make sense.

[@BlackGateofMordor]

The big difference (aside from Dreamworld obviously being a scam) I think with Dual Universe is that the Novaquark guys knew that the underlying technology was the #1 thing standing between their ideas and a real game. So they became a studio of tech wizards first, creative game designers second.

[@LostLargeCats]

Agreed. DU has a lot of similarities but a much larger team of devs, and they are still having trouble making it work after years.

[@Just_Lars]

@@LostLargeCats The big difference here is I think, that they delivered somewhat. Even when they started with just some crazy ideas, at least the founder had fetched out concepts of the underlaying technology and how he intended to solve the problems he anticipated for it to work. Which doesn't mean it'll work, but at least it's something to show. And then you have a clusterfuck of asset packs, that aren't close to even a concept demo. HOW on earth did people not see it coming? I just don't get it. Or did they refused to listen?

[@aoki6332]

@@Just_Lars its very similar to Thrive but in a different why everyone that worked on Thrive know that the change of it being a full game one day is really slim but that the thing everyone know in what there embarking and maybe one day it will live in the standard and dream of the first person that tried to make it a thing

[@JustSven-st6lg]

All they were missing was an actual team of devs, more money than anyone could ever give them, and a server room the size of a small city, THEN something like this could maybe exist

[@Bakrain]

"Whenever I came to an intersection, I stopped. And everyone else stopped too. It was like they didn't want to get hit by those taxi cabs either."

[@sarcasmguy6482]

Damn, it’s every genre put into one game?? So it has open world, im-sim, rougelike, dungeon crawler, souls-like, MMO, FPS/TPS, RPG, Platformer, stealth, RTS, fighting, survival, battle royals, horror, metroidvania, MOBA and more all in one?! Shit, that’s impressive. Where can I try it?

[@widjayagohpeircess5777]

if you mod minecraft enough or play in enough select servers its possible also driving, racing, flight sim, rhythm, monster tamer, every possible puzzle in game, management sim, tower defense, sport, tactical rpg, 4X, match 3, all of this whilst its a visual adventure-dating-novel sim? edit: oh yeah roblox too

[@lichylickyrick8864]

Can't think of anything else to add to this other than strand-type genre

[@arjix8738]

Don't forget watching paint dry!

[@Zaxten]

If it's truly all in one don't forget all of the smut game types

[@Killinshots]

you know who did that whole "any/every genre in one game" thing infinitely better? Media Molecule with Little Big Planet and Dreams

[@Gaming_Legend2]

Roblox

[@DewaKrishna_]

@@Gaming_Legend2 to be fair Roblox is a *platform*, and less of just a game, and I've seen so many different types of games from talented people on it

[@emma6648]

@@DewaKrishna_ its a game

[@cj-3810]

@@emma6648 It’s a social platform that hosts games, if that weren’t the case the developers of the games on ROBLOX would not be obligated to royalties (even though ROBLOX barely even pays, and more just monopolizes the masses of undeveloped minds because of how easy it is to convince a kid that paying 102 dollars on a virtual dollars is a good idea)

[@smearfo5612]

Second life. Every one of these "MMO"s is promising either Second Life, Minecraft, or some Frankenstein of the two.

[@b1tfl1p]

the enum thing is so funny when you know that enums are practically just integers with names.

[@GriffinPilgrim]

Feels like a much quicker answer would be "What went right?"

[@alu2901]

Things that went right (from what I've seen): -There is a game, not the one people paid for, but there is a game. -People likely aren't going to trust people like them for a while.

[@wetsaapbrehh7839]

You know it’s going to be a great game when the developers don’t even have the decency to swap out the unreal mannequin with another mesh.

[@giftedfox4748]

I went into their discord server a few months ago. All around everyone still remaining were giving cheers towards the project and laughing with memes of anyone that calls it a scam. It is a real shame too, if people are that blind to not see this many red flags are just going to be another victim for another person like with NFTs or another kickstarter project that is a scam.

[@killerzer0x74]

Sounds like my ex

[@lesigh3410]

An entire discord server full of sycophantic yes-men? *Burn it to the ground.*

[@danielwoods3896]

Idiots are idiots. They'll look back in shame in five years

[@talosgak1236]

Everyone will get scammed at least once in their life. You just need to learn from it. They are just coping really hard. They will realize it eventually

[@ammagon4519]

@@talosgak1236 my friend scammed me for ₱15, does that count?

[@tomg5187]

Incredibly well researched. Love that you included references/credit in the description!

[@cockatoogray9630]

Anyone with 9 years of *actual* game dev experience would know that you can’t make an mmo of *any* kind, let alone ~the Ultimate mmo~, with two (and a half) developers and $60k. You can *maybe* make Stardew Valley 1.0, if you’re lucky and very dedicated. Guys like this just have no earthly idea the sheer scale of time and resources required to make a functional game, and it’s really obvious from the start.

[@sorappoli5137]

His little story about himself getting hit by a taxi twice because of his earphones amazes me. It's just so hilarious to think of in a way for some reason lmao.

[@keepitclean8791]

Imagine having functioning eyeballs that you can use before you cross a road

[@zyriantel9601]

@@keepitclean8791 And just _not using them_

[@BarokaiRein]

Man I remember like it was just yesterday, all of the dreamworld drama was just the absolute best. I've never really enjoyed drama but this project was so insane that it was fun to hear people rip it apart.

[@lowresgamr]

I remember hearing about it a while ago, but eventually between then and now I forgot about it completely. And I actually follow the people that covered the drama.

[@zyriantel9601]

I don't tend to do drama much either, but channels like this which objectively (for the most part, some commentary excepted, naturally) comb over the details of particularly rank shitshows scratch an itch I didn't know I had. It's oddly enough really relaxing for me to put Down The Rabbit Hole videos on or Wiz videos detailing game dev malarkey (hell, I even go back and watch Tehsnakerer's coverage of Hunt Down The Freeman from time to time) when I'm just bebopping around in video games or something.

[@kattCl0ud]

This is so much of a mess that I genuinely feel like I was in a different timeline or something for not hearing anything about it

[@Ericbenson1624]

"What Went Wrong" It was a scam and always was a scam.

[@patrickmuhwheeney6518]

I'm subscribed to Callum and Kira and Josh, so it's great to see you tip your cap to their work. Thanks for the upload!

[@RomainDelmaire]

It's impressive to me how someone so successful and with so much experience would spend 7 months sending 10 resumes per day and not get hired by a single company

[@watsonwrote]

Right! I feel like I glossed over how ridiculous that is, even during the worst of the pandemic. Surely someone with web development experience could find a decent remote job. I don't think I've known anyone who couldn't land a job after several serious job applications, let alone dozens or *hundreds*

[@Unknown-rm8zp]

@@watsonwrote And even in pandemic, there were many freelancers and a boost on Web designing KZbin side.

[@Shenaldrac]

Well that was absolutely a lie. I'm not saying he didn't apply for jobs during that time, but I'll bet you 10 real world USD that he did not in fact sent out 10 applications a day, not even on average.

[@zyriantel9601]

I will say this, not as a defense but as something that legitimately did happen to me in real life: At one point, I got so thoroughly fed up with my old job that I quit outright. Had I known that I would then spend the next, I shit you not, NINE MONTHS on my ass, sending resumes every day and getting snubbed by just about all of them, before FINALLY having the man who would eventually become my new boss call me up and tell me that if I was willing to wait two more weeks, he was just in the verge of firing some useless dipshit and would have an opening to hire me, I would’ve probably tried to swallow a lot more crap before throwing in the towel, because holy shit, I couldn’t even pay my bills by the time I finally got hired again. Granted, I’m not exactly a highly sought-after specialist of a certain field. I worked in retail before eventually becoming a corner store clerk and now work at a greenhouse. But even still, with the abundance of retail and gas station jobs in my area, it AMAZED me how somehow none of them were looking to hire. For nine straight months.

[@RomainDelmaire]

​@@zyriantel9601 Yeah I'm assuming it can happen in non specialized field but as a game developper? Granted I'm not in the same field, but still in the entertainment industry (Visual Effects) and I never spend more than 6 weeks without a job, and that was after my first year in the industry. Now I don't even have to seek for a job, I receive offers on LinkedIn every other week. In those industries, if you are as talented as he makes himself to be, you really don't spend long unemployed.

[@meowoasdgjoiagjoi]

Isn't having child mods illegal? Legally they can be classified as employees since they work for them

[@josephmatthews7698]

If someone said, "it's the last game you'll ever play." I would never play that because it sounds like a freakin' threat.

[@Caragoner]

Can't wait to see this for the metaverse with the all of 8 people in it

[@widjayagohpeircess5777]

7 of them are bots

[@amberatilano6718]

And the last one is mark himself

[@Christobanistan]

@@amberatilano6718 So all 8 are bots.

[@Shenaldrac]

I mean... Dreamworld at least has legs!

[@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy]

The thing is you probably hear of Star Citizen (or wtf is it called today) made by veterans devs hired ''talented'' new blood too, giants even, turns out they are running nearly 20 years by now scams or can be said a single scam since they milk this ''game'' project for such a long time and they don't even have a proper demo even by now. The things they shown through the years are generic mockups and cannot be even called tech demo grades, that they also scrap after each funding. They have one review access demo that I think is still on Steam, others all deleted or mocked up to be something else. Anyway the demo I spoke of was given to big KZbinrs. Get inside your space station garage, enter your ship, fly from point A to B, in middle you are attacked by some pre programmed bots. You can fight through it or just avoid it, get to point B demo ends. The entire space and what is happening is generic as it can be. This isn't content this is basic out of box scripted BS in UE. Games in general for at least 10 years by now are a pathetic scam so next to giant market releases I couldn't care less what two self proclaimed devs say they can make. I know better ... And the most pathetic part is that still enough people buy these things hence why gaming is still dead. While billions of people quit or know better anyway to stay away from everything and have a life for a change. Seen so many kids and and brain dead people claiming how they work at some giant corporate place. Like go to Instagram or Twitter alone and you will see every 10th ''content creator'' in their Bio claiming how he-she works or worked at places like RockStar, EA, Capcom or whatever else there is. Reality is they can't put together a single image in PhotoShop properly to even call it a mockup let alone work as a pro ANYWHERE. Also faking dates, life partners and bunch of other things. ''look, I have a girlfriend, I work at RSG'' yet he looks like a hipster+homeless person combo. Yeah I am pretty sure someone would date you especially a person that you photoshopped into your life and control both accounts among 100+ other fake ones ... instead of taking the same time and effort and actually create something in your pathetic life. SICK OF THEM ALL!!!

[@Michael-dj6pd]

When I was a teen I and a few friends actually thought about making an Mmo. Made a bunch of concept art, after a few months we all realised how much time it would take and we stopped. No kickstarter made, just a single facebook page. This was in 2012. I know how those rose tinted glasses of the concept of a game can be. I learned so much in that year. However we never claimed to be the last game you would play. We just wanted to create something of an mmo we would like to play. Since then I’ve made a ton of solo games and small indie games, attended game jams and I’ll tell you. I would never in a million years make an mmo with a team less than 100 people and a budget that can rival final fantasy. Even then I’d be doubting the project. I also know a dev who invested 50k$ in making an mmo alone and all I saw from it was clashing assets with no design and a bunch of out of the box rpg systems. I haven’t heard from the guy in a while. Spend your time specialising as a dev on making a million concept games to get hired by a decent company or release a small solo project you believe in. Don’t EVER think you can make an mmo unless you already have a name on something big.

[@sourestcake]

I had similar dreams, and the same happened to all of them. But i kept making tech demos, and while none of them reached the point i wanted, i did learn a lot about development and keeping my expectations in check. My current game project is just a simple wave-defense thing and nothing more, which should at least be doable, and hopefully the first project i get to a point i'm satisfied with.

[@volundrfrey896]

9 years game dev experience - "I lost my job as a waiter". Okilly dokilly.

[@TheAmbasador99]

"They were running with me because they liked the music." The music: "I put new forgis on the Jeep"

[@Pleasestoptalkingthanks]

😮🤤😩😳

[@DogKacique]

Nightmare world for me was the most particularly amusing part of this rabbithole. Callum in a week recreated the same work that the Dream world claimed to have done in years with a whole team