What Went Wrong: The Food Pyramid

[@VladLogimane]

Ever considered a video on the nutritional effects of food preservation methods like freezing, drying, pickling, salting and such?

[@russianmegabot5272]

Would Love that

[@jasperc5209]

@@russianmegabot5272 i think i love you..

[@chriss3404]

Absolutely goated topic idea. Even refrigeration can be interesting. Polymerization of simple carbohydrates on the nutrition side, and food dehydration on the more culinary side!

[@ZineSG]

Add fermented food to this as well, probably another food category that we eat too little of these days.

[@bobbyatman273]

ohh what a great video/discussion would it be! I'm interested in meat curing.

[@horstfilet9362]

Babe he posted again

[@alteracco2715]

Babe, a Thief!

[@zengseng1234]

Ok, I’m awake

[@tskna3067]

Babe?

[@Ik2hl]

@@tskna3067it’s a meme

[@NTT-ox4oo]

Okay bae, thanks bae

[@elemair9210]

I've been working in the food industry all my life, I'm in a high position, and I can assure you the corruption is 100% real.

[@alexc8512]

Without breaking nondisclosures, are there any examples? An obvious would be the use of poor quality products for financial gain.

[@David.77]

@@alexc8512 The best example is the food pyramid talked about in the video. Many corporations "buy" scientists to get results that make them look good, or others bad. Big sugar played a big hand in making fat enemy number one(low-fat approach to diet). Carbs being the base of any diet isn't good nutritional advice for the average American.

[@parispc]

@@David.77 I have a suspicion that big food corps like Kellogs are paying Instagram influencers to promote things like "intuitive eating" and saying that "indulging" in junk food isnt a bad thing. Its scary how pervasive it is and for some reason these people are all dieticians too.

[@elemair9210]

@@alexc8512 in the 20st century the sugar food industry pushed for publication of studies showing fat is the enemy so that sugar wouldn't get the bad attention it deserved. after decades of demonizing fat, the truth is out and sugar is recognized as being as bad as it is. Also the milk. You remember after the war how they served milk in schools? today, the recommendation is to limit dairy products and milk. the food companies only care about one thing : making money off the consumer. If you want to have a healthy diet, 2 simples rules must be followed : - only buy raw ingredients and cook everything yourself. Don't buy processed foods - eat a little bit of everything. So you eat everything so long as it respects the previous rule BUT you only eat a little bit of everything. The dose is the poison.

[@GIGADEV690]

I am in a high position and the corruption is real thanks for telling your Sins You're still part of the problem.

[@bradygoldblatt560]

Maybe you should make a video talking about the shortcomings of our “nutrition facts” labels, and/or the fda daily intake recommendations. I’m always confused when a multivitamin or individual supplement has 200-300% of the dri, and it’s hard to tell when things would turn from helpful to harmful.

[@NoiseDay]

or when an obviously healthy item has basically no nutrients listed

[@mandrake925]

Definitely good topic.

[@bj.bruner]

The one that worries me the most is how companies can sneak trans fats into food (in the US); if a serving has less than .5 grams they can say it has 0. So something with 0g trans fat pero 1 tablespoon serving can add up to a significant amount with refined oils and other such products

[@bradygoldblatt560]

@@NoiseDay yeah exactly. most of the stuff talon mentions in his tier lists aren’t on there, so you wouldn’t even think some things are very nutrient dense, when they’re B tier or higher

[@strav8337]

⁠@@bj.brunerif you are worried about that you can simply read the ingredients label and check for hydrogenated oils/partially hydrogenated oils on whatever product you are worried about.

[@curlyfreis]

What went wrong ? Companies: "Look at all the money we gave you for the results we want."

[@TheSubstrance]

Government: How to screw you over again and again but yet convincing you we want what's best for everyone.

[@jbach1841]

Yes, just look at which foods the government subsidizes. Rarely healthy stuff.

[@heckebruh9154]

The biggest food lobbyist are meat and dairy. Make whatever you want out of that information.

[@moviemaestro800]

​@@heckebruh9154 But also, grain agriculture is heavily subsidized, especially corn. It's kinda mind blowing how many things contain corn by-products, including even a bunch of non-food items, because, partially thanks to those subsidies, it's usually the cheapest manufacturing option.

[@heckebruh9154]

@@moviemaestro800 Most corn in the usa isn't produced for humans but used to feed livestock. I dont know the exact number for corn but 90-95% of soy produced in usa goes towards livestock and i bet its likely the same for corn. Grain subsidies are a form of livestock subsidy.

[@starstrudel8417]

This explains a lot of the survival vids I've seen. I noticed they prioritize proteins fats (they celebrate whenever they can find some fat) for survival, if they couldn't get those, they had trouble functioning and even thinking.

[@2adamast]

In Alone, living on own fat and proteins is the most common approach. One good reason to be overweight.

[@supernova743]

Americans eat way too much. So minimizing oils is a good idea because americans have huge stores of oils. Oils are important for proper function but looking at the ame4ican diet the idea of minimizing them is a positive choice for many people. Too many Americans focus on dieting to lose weight quick instead of adjusting their diet long term. This itself is an issue and leads to cycles of losing weight and regaining it.

[@supernova743]

Oils are important for survival but for most americans are over eating. Fats and oils take up too much of our diet so minimizing them is generally a good idea.

[@pectenmaximus231]

Yeah, if you are in survival mode, yes, fat is valuable. If you arent on day 5 on a mountainside and living off the land, just stick to carbs.

[@amandak.4246]

@@2adamast but then the ones who managed to hunt animals ended up with malnutrition or constipation bad enough to be sent home, so clearly fat and protein and nothing else will harm you

[@moblinmajorgeneral]

The USDA is not a health organization. It is a regulatory body centered around agriculture. The pyramid was more about what farmers in the US should produce so that it would be sold and consumed. Part of the reason why grains were the center of the pyramid rather than meat.

[@vishishtmishra9082]

Why would meat be center of any food guideline? There should be no center every food type is important

[@lucios_7266]

You need 35 calories of plants to create one calorie of meat. Think about that: 97% of calories are wasted! Meat should never be the center, as we cannot produce enough food to afford everybody eating meat all the time.

[@mrtalk4878]

@@lucios_7266lying for fun. Its a 1:9 ratio for chicken 13:1 to 15:1 for pork and 25:1 for beef. A simple google search would tell you this, yet you decide to lie on the internet.

[@mrtalk4878]

@@lucios_7266the ratio is 9:1 for chicken 13-15:1 for pork and 25:1 for beef. Stop lying for fun

[@patrickbateman1660]

Extremely dishonest way of avoiding saying corrupt lobbying.

[@Gepser]

What I learned here is that if you want the best for you, don't trust the government. Educate yourself.

[@2810Mad]

Of course, they're corrupt as shit. Remember cereal for supper? Remember trying to pass cigarettes as healthy? Remember saying meat is to blame?

[@Stephofcourse]

Wasn’t cereal for supper like last month lol

[@bryanmasuda3517]

talon thank you for always posting quality videos your one of my favorite creators on this platform!

[@lovecheeseordie]

Starting a cooking series of great every day meals that follow your best nutritional advice would be great! We know what we need to do but a lot of people don’t know how to do it. A “recipes in a week” might help out.

[@bushputz]

My Food Pyramid is shaped like a ribeye.

[@JohnBainbridge0]

1:27 Make Butter a food group again.

[@MZRFaith]

It's animal secretion

[@verminlady]

it's included in dairy

[@GameFuMaster]

@@MZRFaith point being?

[@cancermelon6950]

​@@MZRFaith delicious animal secretion

[@rebeccaanne9863]

@@MZRFaith That is entirely false! It's made from an animal excretion.

[@TheChattounet]

i do believe that nutrition has been overcomplicated the past few decades. It shouldn't be too complicated to eat properly, and it isn't, appart from several basic things that are easy to do and to be carefull with.

[@Talon_Fitness]

To me the beautiful thing about nutrition is that it can be as complex as you want it to be. If you want to just be healthy, there's only a few rules you really need to follow. If you want to take it a step further you can. If you want to optimize it for athletic reasons, or need to for health concerns, you can. And different people who advise about it are going to be advising at those different levels. I just wish everyone understood that just because someone isn't at the same level as you, doesn't mean they're not trying hard enough or being too nitpicky. Because, as I hope I was able to convey at the end, it's supposed to be an individual journey.

[@boblangford5514]

@@Talon_FitnessI like the way you emphasize the individual journey, because an average Joe is going to have a very different caloric & macronutrient intake than a professional athlete. Everyone has different goals, and you have to manipulate your nutrition plan based on the goals you want to attain.

[@berengerchristy6256]

I think the problem is people these days are too lazy to prepare food for themselves at home. I’m so glad that’s the example my parents set for me. We hardly went out to eat and almost never had food delivered

[@ladymacbethofmtensk896]

​@@berengerchristy6256I am one who tends to cook like a Michelin-starred French chef having beautiful and decadent dinners regularly. With wine, of course.

[@paulinemoira8442]

With food advertisement, availability and even the lay-out of supermarkets, natural intuition often doesn't work for people. Otherwise we wouldn't have an obesity crisis and a diabetes crisis and so many young people with heart issues, high blood pressure and shitty teeth. Intuition failing even happed for hunter gatherers. We've found groups who died not of starvation, but because the nutrients in their diet (or lack there of) slowly killed them.

[@bobnewkirk7003]

"lets go over what went right...don't worry this will be quick" deepest cut of the video. Honestly the food pyramid is a clear example how Big Business and their lobbyists are influencing public policy. the fact alone that Dairy is still a required section despite a growing portion of the population being lactose intolerant should be the first red flag. Beyond that the '90 pyramid was built based on the prior rationing guidelines and so it was suggested to eat the lowest cost food to stay alive, which is why we have the over-abundance of carbs in the diet. that all being said I've seen some "Mediterranean" diet Pyramids floating around that do a better job, but the messaging is super mixed and the number of caveats make it hard to read without a magnifying glass; There really isn't a perfect model as nutrition isn't perfectly understood yet. the one benefit that these diagrams have is that they, at very least, encourage the consumption of something other than meat and potatoes which was, and sadly still is, the diet of the audience that first saw them. Like you closed with they are "generally making progress, just very slowly"; which may as well be the slogan for the Fed at large.

[@markadams7046]

I think the key point is that they have been fighting a losing battle from the start, but I think without such an oversimplified visual device, we would be eating far worse than we already are. I agree that you can't do an accurate picture of dietary needs in one simple drawing, but I also feel that no simple drawing at all would be worse, as people wouldn't even try for at least the most basic dietary requirements. I also think a lot of factors have contributed to our bad diets over the years. Like a lot of so called advertised as "healthy" processed foods becoming more prominent on the market while still being the same old processed garbage, so people think they can eat more of it. Also with the technology of more and more convivence comes less and less exercise. Why walk to a grocery store when you can have the food delivered directly to your door. I know food delivered directly to the home goes way back, but not to the extent that is done today. I know this sounds like a minor thing, but these minor little things add up.

[@johnpereztwo6059]

Fastfood , sodas, beers, chips , cakes and pastries .

[@jorgea5426]

I don't think the obesity epidemic is caused by these guidelines. Even if they are not perfect, the average person's diet would benefit from following them. It is mostly a problem with ultra-processed foods, and loads of added sugars. The other improvements can come later. It's like arguing if a person who is fully sedentary should be recommended to do cardio or strength training. Any exercise would be good, then you can optimize.

[@JoeSmith-fu9yx]

I think the problem with a carb based diet is that most carbs consumed are also included with sugars like bread and pasta and all the grains have been so processed that most of the nutrients are replaced by additives and such. That turns into a huge insulin and sugar spike which can ultimately lead to insulin resistance. Check your glucose levels after eating an apple with 25/22 grams of carbs and sugar and an equivalent amount of bread, it’s scary to see how large the spike is and how long it lasts compared to the apple. I’ve done this with several comparisons and it’s wild what and how much we’re being told is actually “healthy “

[@versuch8239]

I just wrote a huge comment on this as well. Implying that Americans actually follow this advice and the obesity epidemic stems from them is absurd. It's fast food, added sugars, no exercise, tons of sodas, huge portion sizes etc. etc. etc.

[@CedricAda]

Definitely keen on a BMI what went wrong video

[@howardhamaker2708]

Waist to height is a better indicator of health. Always found it funny Dr offices have scales that are hundreds to 1000's of dollars but a tailor's tape would work out better. Dr office scales are also always 10 to 20 lbs off.

[@ballsackschrader218]

​@howardhamaker2708 shortcomings of bmi has more to with how normal people use it rather than how doctors use it. I've never heard of a doctor calling a muscular person unhealthy because their bmi is too high.

[@IssaMeZane]

BMI is a good indicator for someone who doesn't have a lot of muscle mass or none at all. Other than that, it isnt.

[@pcastonguay]

Read Dr Neal Barnard, Dr Michael Greger, Dr Caldwell Esselstyn, Dr Joel Fuhrman, Dr Garth Davis, Dr John McDougall, Dr Alan Goldhamer, Dr Michael Klaper, Dr Dean Ornish, and Dr Will Bulsiewicz. Ignore claims and advice from this channel.

[@gbladewarrior6884]

Soylent Green has all the nutrients the body needs.

[@K_j_M]

Not many will get this... IYKYK

[@JonDoe-uq1mk]

I make my own blend None of that government slop

[@deathandrebirth-y8x]

@@JonDoe-uq1mk organic. pure.

[@gabrielbarrantes6946]

Low bioavailability and probably a nice blood sugar spike

[@noahleveille366]

Thank you Talon you have motivated me to eat better, previously smoked half a pack a day, ate like crap, and drank two energy drinks a day. Now I cut both the energy drinks and smoking in half, and eat more greens and less candy. Only been about a month, but I already feel better due to my body not being abused so harshly everyday. Gonna keep working it day and day, see how much more I can improve. Thank you!

[@jhamisoncarvalho2635]

It's like having a personal nutritionist. Man I'm so grateful that my old man scared the bejesus outta me for failing English language at 10. Now I can watch and understand great content like this. Been +2 years that your videos are helping me through my brain disorders and overall body health. Thank you so much Talon.

[@DJmisterpeluca]

He's better than that. Many nutricionists these days fall into the mistakes he explained in the video.

[@dishcleaner2]

Nice. You should do a video on how to make restrictive diets like vegetarian and vegan align with what you think is best for the body. As a vegan, I would recommend whatever you put out to my friends.

[@burntbeansoup]

I don't think it's physically possible to be a healthy vegan without supplements. You're mainly low in complete protein, calcium, iodine, zinc, and *especially* heme iron. Our ancestors way far back before society ate bugs and fruit, and our not so distant ancestors ate meat and foraged grain and fruit. Because of this, your diet is not natural at all. I'm not saying unnatural is bad - it's just that in this case it can be, because you're at increased risk for malnutrition, hypothyroidism, anemia, and depression (caused by lack of energy). The best thing for you to do would be to consume whey protein if you can - it's the protein leftover from milk. I know that's not "vegan" but a diet doesn't have to be absolute. Even then, you'd still absolutely lack the iron and zinc you need. Honestly, I don't know what to tell you. I don't think he will make a video about it because there is no way to be vegan and include everything you need in your diet naturally.

[@bobbyatman273]

I feel sorry for you, you haven't got a clue what you are doing, just 1 thing is you don't understand bio- availability, some plants do have nutrients BUT you are not a cow with totally different digestive system, maybe you'll get 5% of what's in vegetables, not to mention poisons they have as a defense mechanism against bugs, ...here's an addition (incomplete) to your shopping list; b12 b6 d3 k2 iron retinol vit A dha omega3 carnitine CoQ10 taurine creatine collagen coline you'll find them everywhere (most in some stripped chemical form) Just do me a favor, when you get old and sick don't waste my tax $ on "govt" sponsored "healthcare" ...that will do anything to "get rid" of you anyway... good luck

[@nestor4895]

​@burntbeansoup all of those are either easy to get enough of, or a minor supplement. "Complete protein" is not a problem as long as you don't eat the same food over and over again.

[@burntbeansoup]

@@nestor4895 I never said it was difficult, I just said it cannot be acheived naturally through diet alone. And complete protein is indeed a problem; you need to get every essential amino acid, which is difficult from plants alone. The only significant source of complete plant protein is soy.

[@frankchen4229]

@@burntbeansoup You have no idea what you are talking about; calcium is abundant in many items including seeds, soy, blackstrap molasses, leafy greens, etc. and iodine is actually richest in various seaweeds. Heme iron isn't a problem at all considering vitamin C drastically increases absorption of non-heme iron. Also, literally EVERY whole food (with the exception of gelatin ironically which is an animal product) contains every essential amino acid. There's no way to have a healthy diet naturally in the first place considering agricultural systems are MANMADE and food security literally relies on numerous manmade products INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO supplementation of farm animals.

[@gabrieljorquera4953]

I thought you would mention the fact that dairy is even considered a separate food group. As a kid, looking at the pyramid, seeing dairy, and remembering that more than half of all humans are lactose intolerant, told me everything I needed to know about how seriously I should take the food pyramid, and how corrupt the agriculture business is. If we even keep the broad "protein" group, dairy should be part of it, not its own separate category. I find it dissapointing that a country supposedly so proud of its diversity pushes everyone to drink milk even when it literally hurts them (like how the only beverage offered in the lunch line is milk, or chocolate milk)

[@theketaminekid1241]

Wow I never thought about that, yeah dairy is pushed HARD.. I feel bad for lactose intolerant people in the US.

[@Probably_Laurence]

I LOVE this new format, definitely would love to see more of this!!

[@michaelkeller5927]

These are the types of videos that are helping me improve my life. Thank you for all you do

[@Jadi56ya]

Carbs should be the foundation of your diet, they are the main energy sourse your body uses. It's what your brain and nervous systems prefer to use. Carbs aren't something you eat just so you could work out. Excess carbohydrates usually dont turn into fat. It is extremely hard for your body to turn carbs into fat, so your body will avoid this process as much as possible. What usually happens when you are in a calorie surplus is that your body will store more of the fat you actually eat. Carbs do turn into fat, but only when you considerably over eat carbs. Most of us don't. That being said fats are essential and should not be avoided. You said proteins can turn into carbs, you are correct. Yes protiens can be used for fuel, however relying on proteins for energy can lead to protein poisoning. We are not pure carnivores, so dont over eat on protein. In conclusion carbohydrates justifiably should be the foundation of your diet, as it is your bodys prefered energy source. Proteins and fats are essential and should be regularly consumed as needed.

[@teal.9710]

babe wake up new talon fitness series !

[@TheSquidPro]

Not a food pyramid tierlist? UNSUBBED!

[@deekasman5018]

I see you 😅

[@elizabethstraney7193]

Honestly yes there are issues with the food pyramid, etc. but it is still better than the average American diet of fast food and processed crap. For example I have many coworkers who claim to "cook" at home, but most comes out of a box. They don't understand the concept of fresh food. Teriyaki chicken and a bag of stir fry veg with sauce over white rice from a package that they heated up at home has a very different profile from that made from scratch over brown rice.

[@TitanBait]

I hope some day you do a snacks tier list! Ingredients are great but people also consume a wide variety of snacks that contribute a lot to our societal diet. There are often more than 2 isles of just snack type food in grocery stores so I think it is an important corner to cover. I would think a lot of stuff could be generalized like gummy worms or chips, but you could talk about stuff you haven't mentioned before like dried fruit, popcorn, chocolate, fruit cups, etc. things that wouldn't need a tier list alone but all together could be very interesting to explore! This was a really great and informative video! I have really started to watch you consistently and it's helped me make better choices or validate the research I have done myself. Your videos are more than just content!

[@Barakon]

In the my plate diagram, I'd lump dairy into the protein section because that is a protein source that is similar to eggs, ie it's made by an animal to nurish its young & we happen to steal it for ourselves. In a sense we're all vampires for we drink other species' milks.

[@SebiStr99]

Trying to think of super easy universal guidelines right now on the spot... Kinda hard but here goes: (in no particular order, these are points that I try to follow and that I encourage my family and friends to follow) -) as little (industrial) processing as (reasonably) possible -) variety is key (make meals as colorful and varied in texture as possible) -) no extremes (as everywhere else in life...) (meaning no extremely salty/sweet/fatty foods) -) drink mostly water (except if carb and/or electrolyte intake is necessary) -) supplementation is a crutch (but might be necessary e.g.: Omega 3s and Vit. D) -) stimulants are not your friends (caffein, nicotine, alcohol etc.) (should be avoided, some more than others) (optional and not applicable for everyone) -) have fun with food, experiment with new flavors or combinations, take the time to be creative (try new recipes you find online or just improvise) -) grow your own herbs/veggies/fruits (depending on your situation ofc.) (having fresh herbs available is a game changer) -) prepare meals in advance (to remove impulse control from the equation entirely and for convinience) That took quite a while and isn't easily visually represented... No wonder the food pyramid isn't any better xD

[@studiesinflux1304]

Would the "simple" guide be better if it was recreated as interactive media instead of a one-size-fits-nobody infographic? It could be presented as a web app (or booklet / offline video available at the library if someone thinks their data will be gobbled up by the government or Google / Amazon algorithm). You enter your age range, activity, health concerns, goals, etc., and you get some calculated values specific to you with meal ideas. Some fitness apps already do this, but it would be good for it to be open-source for traceability. (Similar to, for example, the open-source programming and cybersecurity courses available online: they typically have a publicly available Q/A, suggestions, and editing process so you can examine the algorithm and decisions behind it yourself.) It would still be oversimplified of course (since you'll lose 90% of the audience if entering parameters takes more than 20 seconds) but should do a bit better than the infographic.

[@100iqgaming]

so im on holiday in singapore and they have this "nutri-score" from A-D and MILK GOT A C WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM

[@LeetHaxington]

My tum tum hurts!!!!! Oo I think im gluten intolerant! I'm an anti gluten bigot! Uuuu oooo owwwie why's this bread category so big! It has 3 loaves of bread on it so I guess I have to eat that much before I'm allowed to eat protein! And my medicine ia cherry flavored. Look how much I have to eat before I can get to dessert! Owie!!!

[@rgb002762]

Could you explain RDA Recommended Daily Allowance .Is RDA enough to keep you alive ? For someone 70kg / 150 lbs OR 150kg / 330 lbs ? Active ? or sedentary ? . OR for the best health possible ? I have seen protein RDA from 40 grams a day , to 2 grams per kg for a active person building muscle so somewhere between 40 grams to 300 grams , that is a big gap .

[@EmperorShang]

Another banger as always, thanks Talon!

[@touchofgrace3217]

My Plate is updated every 5yrs to reflect current health research… It’s too bad they never thought to base it on actual physiology instead of glorified scientific assumptions and political influences. There are a number of essential amino acids and 3 essential fatty acids but no essential carbohydrates. That would mean a “balanced” diet would be one that includes only fat and protein and yet their recommendation is to fill half to two thirds of our diet with a non-essential nutrient. Huh? They also claim that high cholesterol causes heart disease. That is like blaming firefighters for a house fire. Yeah, They’re showing up in high numbers and clogging the roadway but they’re there to fix the problem. Ironically, the real culprit is the excessive carbohydrate recommendation.

[@lordzekrom2]

For a visualization that the average uninformed American can use at a glance, I think if they just tweaked myplate by shifting ~1/2 of the carb group into protein, that's as good as you can get.

[@pseudonymous7557]

"you can find fruits and vegetables not ruined by human involvement"... No you can't. The entire reason why we can eat bananas, for example, is because of human involvement. Is there a nuance to how food is 'ruined' by human involvement?

[@themodernshoe2466]

As far as communication, the MyPyramid diagram is absolutely the worst. I've seen it many times and retained pretty much nothing from it - I still couldn't tell you what it says differently from the food pyramid. At least the food pyramid and my plate got some messaging across, even if flawed.

[@babygorilla4233]

9:22 to expand on it being borderline suspicious how they insist on getting that wrong, I do kinda think that's a symptom of corruption. Were talking about the USA health regulations here and farming subsidies for grain are insane. we have a corrupt system across the board and for farming subsidies the corn lobby have been insanely successful. grain and fertilizer producers are incredibly influential in American politics at high levels so its not borderline suspicious there simply is a conspiracy to produce mass amounts of corn. I'm not joking this is not an out there weird idea there's plenty of actually reputable sources who've written on the issue John Oliver even has an episode on it, its just a thing. Corn requires a lot of fertilizer which makes an intersection of voter interest and industry interest, thus there is always significant pressure to increase corn subsidies and never incentive to reduce them.

[@Laz3rCat95]

I also think they should just group in dairy with the other protein options instead of making it it's own category. People can be healthy without consuming dairy, it has its nutritional benefits but it's not absolutely necessary to consume it. You can get the same nutrients you get from dairy elsewhere, and many people do; like those who are lactose intolerant, vegan, and/or allergic to dairy.

[@chacho28x]

Hey Talon, Can you please do a video on BMI? Or leave some of your thoughts here? Your comment at the 5 min mark had me wondering. I’ve always considered it a good target and haven’t heard any criticisms thus far. Thank you -

[@SebiStr99]

I know you asked Talon for his thoughts, but I'll leave mine here as well, just in case anyone is interested. The BMI is effectively just a comparison of your height and your weight. That means that for statistical purposes, such as measuring an entire population it's pretty well suited, because it's easy to measure and any variation based on individual differences gets averaged out. That being said, for any 1 individual it's a flawed metric, because their proportions will differ from the average. Here's an example: 2 people have the exact same amount of body fat and muscle mass and therefore body weight, but one is taller, the other one has a wider bone structure. The taller one will have lower BMI, even though their body composition is identical. Similarly someone with a lot of muscle mass will have a comparatively high BMI, which might indicate being overweight. Someone who is tall, low muscle mass, but high body fat proportionally might have a BMI that's considered "normal", even though their body composition is far from ideal.

[@chacho28x]

@@SebiStr99solid response bro, i appreciate it

[@ilja857]

Kek, "obesity was caused by creation of the food pyramid". Nice one. Good morning laugh.

[@goldensunrayspone]

this is what happens when an agriculture administration is trying to do health recommendations, they ultimately get swayed by the agriculture industry they're trying to regulate.

[@Padamslifts]

Could you make a video of what you would recommend an American to eat daily since our environment is so poor and our access to nutritious foods are bad and we don't know what to look for in our diets like most countries do.

[@MRJohnEdgar]

I think you got the obesity criteria wrong. It's not over 30% body fat but over 30 kg/m^2 (bmi). Normal b.f for women is 18-30% for young ages and over 50 years olds the normal range is 24-36%

[@blackout995]

Body fat % is more clinically relevant and representative of healthcare concerns. BMI is commonly used as well, but be careful because it is not always relevant. For example, a bodybuilder could be 173 cm, 230 lbs, and be obese by BMI standards, despite having

[@mexicanturkeymainrevenant3796]

Good video

[@mexicanturkeymainrevenant3796]

First comment 😮😮

[@AmbreCerulean-ov3gq]

Your name is nuts lol.

[@mexicanturkeymainrevenant3796]

@@AmbreCerulean-ov3gq you can’t be talking.

[@theccarbiter]

A lot of the food pyramid makes more sense when you take into account it’s supposed to be for people who exercise regularly. Something they don’t get it most people don’t exercise

[@MrWill830]

I reckon that an interesting topic would be analyzing the diets of elite-level athletes in certain sports and how they're not necesseraly healthy, either for the average person or even for the athletes themselves, long term. Ultra-marathon and iron-man runners as an example, typically rely heavily on carbs and sugar to get enough energy for their endurance feats and seem to be neglecting food that is slower to digest, i.e. proteins as a whole. Now, getting veyr accurate info about that might be tricky ... but who knows :^)

[@ladymacbethofmtensk896]

The most important thing that went wrong is actually the moralistic and preachy attitude of the policymakers at the USDA. First, they recommended an extremely utilitarian diet where all decisions are centered around pure nutrition with no allowance made for pleasure. The food companies, whose profits depend on their products tasting good then got all weasely to get around the policy, often replacing demonized ingredients with more acceptable substitutes that turned out to be even worse, not to mention using the Food Pyramid's lack of clarity to make their products fit into the guidelines---ketchup as a vegetable is a particularly notorious example of this messing around with definitions. Then if course, tied up with the picture of a healthy diet as an extremely bland or unpleasant experience is that of exercise as an endurance test of pure torture. In the end, all of our current recommendations for a healthy lifestyle are terrible and drive more people to adopt bad habits than if the government had left well enough alone.

[@mattbichall132]

Are you drawing all these graphics yourself?

[@somecat22]

One important thing to note is that people absolutely do not follow government guidelines, and thinking that they do is a gross over estimation. People eat highly processed foods. The main thing the pyramid did wrong was putting processed grains with whole grains. Processed foods should have been in a separate category to avoid

[@versuch8239]

The video conflates correlation with causation. There is no way, the immense obesity in the US is because people followed food guidelines closely, it's quite the opposite. People are not fat because of whole grain bread and rice. I don't see any Soda, Fast Food and calorie dense snack and sweets in the food pyramid, yet obese people feast on those things.

[@Ivan-Hernandez]

I swear y'all are just a bunch of trolls 😂

[@alek_42]

4:50 two thirds? that's not how that works, the 40% that are obese are also overweight, such a basic oversight makes me question the legitimacy of your info overall

[@realromanp2104]

That’s not how thag works you can be overweight but not obese 40% obese 30 MORE percent overweight

[@wynelf1532]

I have always treated the food pyramid as gospel until this video, especially since rice is a staple of my meals in my asian household. Very good to know!

[@jamesmcbeth4463]

I like how they give us just enough information so we can mislead ourselves. " Protein " section, so less informed people think that means animal products. Plants have protein, too.

[@AthosZ92]

Yeah but you can't make anything of them.

[@jumbolarge108]

Would be interesting to see how you would make a “better” food pyramid. You should make a video on that!

[@thatcandont]

I feel like complete shit if I don’t eat carbs

[@garyvee6023]

I loved this format. The amount of work that went into producing this is amazing..., loved the animation clips with the commentary. Absolutely love your vids..., I have lost count the amount of people I have told about your vids. 🏆

[@verywell290]

I love this new art style

[@EvaNichols28]

Thank you so much for all your insights and fact based information. I feel I’m fairly food and nutrition aware, but I have definitely learned a lot from (binge) watching your videos. I’ll be adjusting my diet and recipes accordingly. I’m a big believer in cooking from scratch, even most condiments as I’m more and more turned off by processed foods of any kind. Heck, you even have to check the ingredients on simple foods like milk products and cheese to make sure they haven’t snug a couple of non-desirable ingredients in! Even though I only buy organic food!!!! Really!?

[@braxtonperry1981]

Pyramid are scams You do a great job 😂🎉❤

[@georgemas]

The pyramid that reached my elementary school a long time ago actually had vegetables on the bottom and grains etc above... Interesting

[@ManOfSteel1]

2:20 what is the weight of one serving? in grams?

[@LuisMoreno-o4e]

My food pyramid is your tier list videos

[@airlox9470]

I would enjoy a exercise/ physical activity tier list

[@khronos2213]

What do you mean by tear list? Like sports and activities ranked? I don't think that's possible, what's best for you is what you enjoy the most. I guess weight lifting is the best aside from that most other things are ~equal. Some even require resistance training themselves.

[@airlox9470]

@@khronos2213 more like the benefits of specific exercises along with potential risks. Specific things like squaring, running, benching, dips, etc.

[@khronos2213]

@@airlox9470 The injury ratios are meassured per 1000h. Weightlifting/powerlifting have one of the lowest injury rates out there, only above yoga (other sports are at times more than 10x more injurious). With running it depends on which level you are, novice, amateur, pro (it gets higher).

[@IssaMeZane]

@@airlox9470 Potential risks you can't really rank... You don't need to rank running for e.g just fucking run

[@marcroszyk5937]

Great video! This information is super helpful. Could you please do a video on sweeteners? Specifically for drinks like Mio. 😊

[@Tang-qi6zw]

How much can you call the food pyramid a failure, honestly? Like eat less added fats and sugars, so they shouldn’t even be a measurable serving of your daily calories, is great advice. But people eat mostly those two things: added (usually vegetable) oils and sugars. You can’t blame the food pyramid for obesity when no one has ever followed it. The food pyramid is fine. Eat real foods.

[@Talon_Fitness]

That's almost word for word what I said in the video

[@Serf_dumb]

USDA: I'm from the government & I'm here to help 🤡🌎

[@sherlock6254]

the govermment doesn't want us to know that glue is the true food, the only one we need...

[@Talon_Fitness]

Did you get a sneak peak on the next video?

[@garyvee6023]

I am 6'2" tall, I went to a "young, hip, doctor" who told me at 87kgs I was overweight by the BMI index...., WTF. 😵‍💫 I was a concreter (for nearly 15 years at the time) who didn't have an ounce of fat on my body..., but muscles in my 💩. Right there and then I knew there was some serious issues with "how" the calculated body fat. ☹

[@pul5983]

bebe..

[@wizdiz04]

Awesome breakdown man, I'm loving the information/content. I entirely agree that there is corruption in the food industry, I know General Mills was lobbying to promote sugar as a health food, sorry for no reference.

[@joeybhangdia4529]

Thank you for making this video and others, you always explain details in such a great way! Video idea -- have you ever thought about making a video about the differences in quality of certain foods, how those differences affect utilization in the body, costs pertaining to those differences, and if/when those differences might be either negligible or significant? For example, pasture raised vs cage free vs free range eggs; wild caught vs farm raised fish/shrimp; grass fed beef, milk, yogurt vs grain fed? I have learned a lot about these differences and appreciate the nuances between them, but there is still much that is difficult to parse out. Just a thought. Thanks again!

[@Micr0b666]

Thank you so much for this video! I was waiting for it since all the teases in the previous videos from more than a year ago :D

[@filipsobota6839]

Would be nice to see a video about gluten. Seems like a lot of people could benefit from knowing a bit more about it and the reasons behind gluten intolerance

[@lesliehardy1843]

Humans have been eating grains for eons. It's not the gluten, it's the pesticides and herbicides sprayed on grains that you are reacting to. Seeds and grains are high in Omega 6 and too much Omega 6 (out of balance with Omega 3 and 9) causes illness. All part of the big plan to keep us sick and buying big pharma products.

[@octavaluna]

A what's wrong with BMI actually would be great. Bear 🐻 in 🧠 that a lot of your audience is probs international. And even inside the US there's famously a lot of diversity. We all grew up with BMI and still follow it to this day. Yet, it's only marginally applicable to one (1) ethnicity.

[@BollyBibby]

I can't wrap my mind around 6-11 servings of grains a day. I would be so sluggish if I ate that many grains...

[@Parker_NotFound1]

FINALLY! Somebody who realizes that My Plate/Food Pyramid is a TERRIBLE representation of a diet. I get so mad every year they teach it in my school because I know it’s obviously wrong.

[@DJG623]

Addiction to video games, television, and most obviously.. phones has lead to sedentary lifestyles. Contributing to obesity. Often times, protein is cooked with some type of oil which is why my plate is best currently

[@boblangford5514]

I think people demonize the 1992 food pyramid too much. I don’t see anything wrong with consuming 2-3 servings of whole grains, 1-2 servings of veggies, 1-2 servings of fruit, 1 serving of protein, and 1 serving of dairy per meal. Breakfast would look like this: a bowl of oatmeal with berries, along with a 2-egg omelette with spinach, tomatoes, and shredded cheese. For lunch, a turkey sandwich with a slice of Swiss cheese, lettuce & tomato, 1 serving of pretzels, carrot sticks, and an apple. Dinner could be a salmon filet, with sides of quinoa, and broccoli. And for dessert, have strawberries and/or banana slices dipped in dark chocolate. This would be right at 6-9 servings of grains (depending on how much oatmeal and quinoa you eat), 3-4 servings of veggies, 3-4 servings of fruit, 3 servings of protein, and a little bit of sweets as a treat. This would also be about 80-90 grams of protein, which is more than enough for an average person. (If you’re lifting weights and trying to gain muscle, you would need more protein). People like to demonize the food pyramid, saying things like, “It says I’m supposed to eat 11 bowls of cereal for breakfast!” No, it doesn’t. I learned that it doesn’t mean that in elementary school. I specifically remember being taught the food pyramid in health class in the 90s, and we were told to not let the 6-11 servings of grains deceive you, because a sandwich with 2 slices of bread is already considered 2 servings of grains right there. Also, when people pour bowls of cereal, or eat rice, they usually consume more than 1 serving size. Those 6-11 servings of grains can add up quickly, and we were taught that fact. We were also taught the importance of whole grains, as opposed to refined sugars. We were taught that Cap’n Crunch was not a healthy grain, despite what those who demonize the food pyramid say. I don’t think the 1992 food pyramid is perfect, but I do think it’s actually a decent, basic guideline for nutrition if you choose nutritious grains, avoid canned fruit, get enough veggies, and get enough protein. It is possible to do that following the 1992 food pyramid. I believe the food pyramid is less to blame for the obesity epidemic, and what’s more to blame is fast food and clever marketing of convenient, highly processed, packaged, and canned foods like cookies, potato chips, and Chef Boyardee.

[@Denidrakes69]

Pritikin is still the man, in my opinion. That dude knew his stuff. He was successfully treating heart disease, diabetes, atherosclerosis etc way back in the 60s, using himself as his first patient.

[@rathalomaniac6212]

I think you're overselling the rate at which carbohydrates are absorbed by the body, especially when consumed in forms containing a sufficient amount of fiber. Whole grains (especially ones with beta glucan, like oats and sorghum) and starchy vegetables like sweet potatoes can absolutely form the bedrock of a healthy diet. The trick is to avoid consuming carbs which have been stripped of their naturally occuring fiber content. Their purpose is to provide energy, of course, but it doesn't have to be the immediate surge of glucose you describe in this video. A macro split of 70c/15p/15f would be perfectly fine for the average person as long as that 70% carbohydrate portion is coming from whole foods and not processed garbage.

[@SpontImagoSoul]

Yes! I feel lile the average "food pyramid" is off, everyone may have their own structure to follow based on deficiencies, activity levels and especially age and genetics too (mostly in regards to inherited traits and things such as IBS, Enemia or even celiac to name a few)

[@lololnope34567]

4:56 Slight note, BMI is body weight / height squared in metrics units, not body fat percentage and is a pretty decent indicator IMO unless you’re noticeably muscular (but then of course actual body fat % is a better indicator). Also on body fat percentage, there’d be specifically different ranges for men and women and age. 25% BF is decent for a woman.

[@gjergjaurelius9798]

I remember the old 90s pyramid. It suggested 6 slices of fuckin bread! Yeah let me just down half a loaf of bread!🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

[@firephoen1x]

The best diet will always be whole foods, at least 80%. Carbs at a minimum cause of our sedentary lifestyles, more protein, fiber, healthy fats. Eggs, fish, avocado, quinoa, broccoli, zucchini, berries, nuts , large variety of fruits and vegetables. Also timing is important , carbs in the morning, exercise, protein. The worst thing you can do is eat something high in carbs and sugar right before bed, which is largely what the whole world does, and is the root of obesity

[@1m2ogaming]

Honestly stopped watching half way disappointing analyze from Obesity statistics. Exercise and people overeating junk food is the fault. People don't follow the pyramid or whatever food recommendations are there. Good luck with future videos hope you get back on track.

[@daikatarokamegawa542]

For portion control, the rule of thumb helps: eat for the body you want, not the body you have. I can warantee you that no matter what's you current body fat %, you will benefit from a diet focusing mainly on protein, followed closely by healthy fats, with carbs filling the gaps.

[@jabloko992]

Hello Talon, hopefully you'll find this comment. I wanted to ask about a different topic: US vs EU food regulations and practices. Do you think you could cover how the 2 regulate food and what notable differences there are between US foods and EU foods? Perhaps you could advocate for the US learn from our standards? Or is the whole "EU food is healthier" thing only a myth? Perhaps sprinkle in a bit of Japan to embarrass all of us? You often say "this additive is often added to this food in the US" or "the FDA did this or that", in other words, your content is a bit US centric. That's not necessarily a problem as human bodies are more or less the same everywhere, however, since our food regulations here in Europe are generally much stricter (or are they?), it would be good to know what, if any, notable differences there are between which foods are okay to eat in which regions. For example, in your meats tier list I read a comment about Salami that here in Europe we use much better additives, ofc that won't make it an A tier food, but it may save it from D tier hell. Thus, you could "tick off" the whole Europe thing at least for the foreseeable and us EU folks would know how to interpret your otherwise US centric content based off of that.

[@marthathompson2012]

The old pyramid was better, the vertical one is ridiculous and stupid-very confusing and unclear-and the plate is just reverting back to the 4 food groups. Getting better? No, sorry.

[@BrunoBittar]

Food is not harmless. We can eat 50% less than what we're used to. There's a big difference between feeding our cells and eating junk just to get that momentary feeling of satisfaction. Run away from anything that comes in a bag or a can. Learn how to sprout, learn how to cook like your great great great grandparents, start eating gizzards and beef liver, never buy vegetable oils from the store shelf, make real lemonade from real lemons and instead of sugar add 6 tiny Himalayan salt rocks to it, add some ground cloves, cinnamon and ginger. Your life will change over night. Start supplementing with glycine magnesium, NAC and please do some heavy muscle workout mainly for your legs. Sugar is not the problem, problem is to mix sugar and salt then this mixture swells the cells. Stop buying American cheese. Get the real cheese that costs 50 dollars a pound, if you can't afford real cheese, learn how to make it at home. Start eating homemade fermented foods and drinks. Start making ghee at home and use it for cooking if you can't afford more expensive oils like avocado oil, Walnut oil and olive oil.

[@jxnxsdfg1798]

I think the big problem is, its missing the bigger picture. First of all it doesnt tell you how much calories/total meals you should eat (which is obviously individual) but even too much healthy food will be unhealthy in the long term. Secondly I think many people might stick to this for one or two meals a day and then go to McDonalds, order a Pizza or eat some Snacks/Sweets at some point during the day which is probably enought to make you fat.

[@Shacomidlane]

Perhaps you could make a video on different diets and critically analyse them with their pros and cons

[@Matt-ic7km]

Well, the reason why we in the netherlands mainly remain healthier. Greens, potatos, meat. A little portion of potatos, 1 or 2 pieces of meat, than as much vegtables as you need to get full. That basically sums it up. All i see regarding diner is everyone going for buritos, burgers, fries etc. All of those meals lean heavily in 1 direction. They wont kill you, but if your lazy and over consume them, they will. Something as a meal box will definitely help people, as the most difficult question for me daily is what the hell i am going to eat 😂 Its easier to drive by a mcdonalds to get a meal, but it is expensive as hell, unhealthy, and i am instantly hungry again which makes me snack. And snacks are generally unhealthy. Do keep in mind that most calories your body burns, is through staying alive and through digesting food.

[@SnakyZHD]

Hello Talon, your videos are extremely helpful so thanks for your work ! But there is one thing you say that is pretty common in your videos and that I disagree with, it’s the fact that you say that « more sugar = more weight gain ». Since when eating more carbs/sugars means that you will gain weight ? Gaining weight is as simple as eating more calories per day, not eating more sugars. You can say that sugary food are more calorie dense but if we take away the « health » problem from them, they have little to no impact on your weight