What went wrong with Adipurush? | Sucharita Tyagi, Rahul Desai | LONG REVIEW

[@SucharitaTyagi]

bass doston unless something drastic changes, im done takling about Adipurush. Aap bhi apne dil se final thoughts nikaal do iss comment ke neechey, aur lets collectively move on.

[@9406560429]

lekin they are saying abi dialogues change karenge😈

[@amyragirl]

I feel like this 😳😳😳😳😳😳😖😖😖😖😖😖😖 and then some more of the same....I mean what's the point....what was the takeaway of THIS particular movie?? Did these creators think we will just watch it and then forget about it immediately after abusing it mellowly like it happens generally?? really scared and bewildered for our own sakes....this was Godforsaken..... how could have things gone so bad when it comes to sensibilities?? (by which I mean the creators and all those who were involved in the making of Adipurush. Did nobody object to what was happening, on any level?? There is not a single good frame in the movie, something that Sucharita has pointed out already. ) Bad movie technically and otherwise!! I mean what's the takeaway then?? NOTHING???

[@jeanpierre-st7rl]

Where is Anupama aunty? Why is she missing? We are missing her reviews.

[@SingleWander]

Ramayana or Mahabharata, are as sacred books to Hindus as Quran is to Muslims. The stories/ interpretations can be open for a readers perspective. but the basics of it can’t be messed with.. that’s why people are so upset! Period . Language when coming out such mythological characters, who are gods for millions of people and faith is joined you can’t take it lightly! Your whole conversation was more divisive, “one of their own” , it is bad for them and they are hating the movie for wrong reasons , their religion , their thought! What is this!!! What is it about, good Muslim bad Muslim! It’s people like u who Now Kashmir files I still don’t understand are you saying genocide didn’t happen? Everytime when a mission Kashmir Haider can be made how come Kashmir files should not be made and is a rhetoric?

[@mdmohitulhaque8648]

​@@SingleWander it's fiction

[@TanuGupta2112]

As much as I enjoy Sucharita’s quick reviews and her content (on most days) I just can’t agree with her thoughts here in this review! Hinduism is such that gives freedom of all kinds …. Chahe church jao ya masjid Hinduism will never say ki ab tum Hindu nai rahe ya Kafir ho . And what all you are discussing are rarest audience reaction that someone complained about presence of meat , or not enough Jai Shri Ram chant. Hinduism gives full freedom to enact their Gods n Goddess be it in films, festivals , Ram Leela happening on streets across the country, theatres , school functions even… but the main underlining is to do it correctly and if not correctly then at least don’t do it in this appalling way as Adipurush has done!And that’s the major complaint not what you discussed. If Gen Z kids are feeling dreadful after watching this then I don’t understand why you are complaining about us complaining? What’s wrong with you guys?? And if you are “fascinated “ with what’s happening around this film, even I am “fascinated “ with the same argument starting with same words, “ why in this country …”

[@iabhishek29]

I am afraid you both missed one point completely. The makers announced that this is real Ramayana, no changes at all. If they had said it is inspired and had not done all the drama of leaving seats empty for Hanuman ji all this brouhaha won't have occurred. Maniratnam's Raavan was 'based' on Ramayana and in the end 'Ram' came out looking evil. Nobody objected because nobody said the movie was based on Ramayana.

[@SucharitaTyagi]

trust me, that point isnt lost on us AT ALL.

[@jineshudani401]

Bhai.. I think you missed it.. Thoda sa nuanced ho gaya shayad for you..

[@jaintango]

True both hare are talking about purists saying “how you dare make this adaptation “ , when that’s not the case at all , director & writer themselves marketed it as Ramayana and now backing out

[@pinknehaa]

They did address it .Maniratnam will not be able to do that right now .The atmosphere has totally changed.He will be ripped apart to show Ram in a bad light and that's what the underline point of discussion is.

[@supriyakairamkondax905]

@@SucharitaTyagi this review completely disappointed me!

[@kaalyatri25]

Conclusion is still . No " Sar Tan se Juda " threat. Nothing like : Prof. T.J.Joseph Prof. Samuel Party Salman Rushdie Swami Shardhanand That's the difference

[@AbhishekAbhyankar]

Rahul is missing the core point. Makers tried to promote the film as “Ramayan”. Not as an “adaptation”. Prerelease , they never uttered the word inspired or adapted. They tried to play both sides and got exposed.

[@rishy_thepro]

Quite disappointing to see Rahul repeatedly mentioning that he is not offended and he kept mentioning political agenda and intolerance several times. The audience has been tolerant and accommodating of various movies that have interpretations of ancient texts like RRR, Maniratnam’s Raavan etc. But if such a big size of audience is offended by Adipurush, it is because the movie has evidently taken the interpretation and creative liberties in tangent and has rubbed our emotions on the wrong side. Most of the audience who are offended, don’t necessarily belong to right or left wings. We are just hurt by the way the ancient text has been mutated out of line, in the name of creative liberty. Suchitra tried several times to cover up saying the makers have taken something so dear to all of us and made it into something unacceptably different. But Rahul kept taking same stand. Expected a much more liberal review from him.

[@arpitdebta3301]

I think if it is about creative Liberty than why only Hinduism and santan i think they should make a movie titled the marriage with 9 year old by taking creative Liberty because we are just objecting if the make movie of peaceful religion they will be found dead😂

[@jatin6039]

On Point Bhaii Ek Noo. Or Ye Sab Sale Comment Me Librandu Type Ha Jo 2-4 English Ke Word Likh Ke Shakespeare Ki Aulad Ban Rahe Ha . Inki Jal Rahi Ha Ki Ab Hindu Bhai Meri Apki Tarsh Aware Or Awaz Utha Rahe Ha. Proud Sanatani. JAI SIYA RAM ❤

[@shikhatiwari912]

Who is here after pratik borade videos about sucharita and Rahul desai

[@danielhunter1773]

No one😂😂

[@abhishekkadam1892]

Basic logic is it's not a mythology it's our history

[@Wiggie_Wiggie]

people will go against you if you use illogical dialogues and portray religious characters with no divinity. Ramayan has a lot of good messages and values to provide to this generation, but filmmakers with corrupt western mentality does a mess with the topic. That Japanese anime legend of Prince Rama has a lot of flaws but the intent, devotion and love of the makers can be seen in that film, which is completely missing in adipurush. These Bollywood directors only know to give excuses for creative liberty.

[@seemonjena659]

The makers have destroyed the essence of the epic. It's okay to have one's own interpretation of Ramayana. I mean we have literature where Ramayana has been told from Sita Maa's perspective as well. But the essence of Ramayana was always about how man can choose to be good even in the worst of circumstances. Leave the finer nuances of Ramayana, the makers have just sidelined some of the most important characters of this epic- Lakshman being one such character! It's fair to say that this venture is nothing but a money making device banking on the star power of Prabhas!

[@qtubedits]

Valmikis Ramayan is grotesque and filled with obscenity, vulgarity of the worst kind, cruelty and bloodlust. You guys should thank Om Raut for hiding all the stupid and inhumane things that are their in Ramayan. 99.99% of hindus don't read their own scriptures. They take their religion by watching shitty films and series that hide the ugly truth and romanticize the story. Read original ramayan and then talk

[@irshad7350]

The makers wanted to make a futuristic interpretation and they also wanted to encash and exploit people's emotions connected with these stories that's why they modernised ravana but could do the same with raghav and janki

[@WalterWhite-qg9kc]

6:25 lol...u r comparing an terrorist based film to hindu history film? what is the logic behind this?and in that film also terrorists and terrorism are the main villain they are not making comedy of deity of particular religion.. like they did in adipurush..u need to grow up 6:50 its not mythology..its history..and its not gonna change just by you guys saying its mythology 15:13 lol..again who said no creative liberty is allowed? japanese anime of Ramayan is made with full creatve liberty and ..RRR was full with creative liberty and I loved it..

[@jayshreethakkar6602]

Why are you constantly calling it mythology where it is a history. Even many people are carrying forward Suryavansh and Raghuvansh surnames. Why people like you dont make movies on other religion gods. I'd happily see your reviews then.

[@Hemant81Kumar]

Bad vfx can be understood, but what they wanted to show with the vfx cannot be ignored. For example Little Krishna cartoon series is way better than this movie.

[@meghac23]

All the points you mentioned in the beginning about why the critics didn't like the film are the same reasons regular cinema goers didn't like it either. The audience has grown. They are exposed more now via OTT platform at even KZbin, no one settles for less than quality content.

[@ganeshsalian4786]

Pratik Borade gang will give this video more traction...Kudos

[@nezukochan86]

I think it eventually comes down to "intent" of the filmmakers that is obvious when a film comes out. When their intentions are to tell a good visual story(mythology or otherwise), people don't seem to mind. Most of us are offended by the sheer lack of all - the respect to the source material, detailing to all aspects of filmmaking like SFX, Editing, Dialogues, etc. It feels like everything in Adipurush was decided over a 1 hour meeting. Like they cast Prabhas and called it a day (what I felt during the promotions as well). As a film (and Indian mythology) loving audience, this is just offensive and that's why most people are pissed. It feels like their intent was to make easy money at the box office (because a Hindu story will bring folks to the theatre) and not to make a good film/epic retelling. I could be wrong but just personal thoughts🥲

[@abi-wg4jt]

Don't call it mythology it is epics with reality

[@MeeCinema_revisits]

Ghar More Pardesiya did a better Ramlila in 3.5 minutes (excusing the dance bits), than this movie. I was watching it recently on TV and for the first time, I noticed the subtle details in the background while Alia walks around before she ends up in Madhuri's house. The movie wasn't great or anything but in the song, the director tried some interesting storytelling techniques. Like watch the little snippet at just after the first hook line - you see Alia's character walk past the fiery laxman-rekha. What a clever little foreshadowing moment. Again, when Alia and Varun cross, there is a massive ravaan in the background, indicating his character. Then he grabs her hand, and if notice from before, ravaan was holding Sita's hand exactly in the same way just in the scene before where they have jatayu scene in the play version. And both the viman that ravaan had in the scene before and the boat Alia takes have the same bird's head thing at the front. Storytelling max pro!

[@RajIshwar-vv2xh]

Wow what a malicious way of interpreting ramayana

[@pprriyam]

that was a beautifully shot sequence!

[@MeeCinema_revisits]

@@avishekpaul6315 I didn't realise that the director also made 3 idiots. Wow, no wonder his vision was so refined and artistic. I am so happy to see more people noticing his work now (I saw many of the recent comments on the song's video are saying how the song is so much better than 660 crore ki VFX)

[@subhransusubhasisbhoi6957]

I might b wrong but what I understood from the convo (esp. that rahul guy), thinks that its about intolorence?? Like how a section of audience be like 'we wont tolerate any changes in the ramayan'.. No I think Mr Rahul, you missed the point completely.. We/The people arent mad for their creative liberties.. They are mad about the creative liberties filmamkers took are poorly executed. Also they marketed the movie as no changes in ramayan and now changing a plethora of details.. So Its about the LIES too.. And above all thats some POOR filmmaking with lack of intent and no soul.. This should be debated. Even the worst movie (lets say Kisi ka bhai), have a clear plan and vision that no story, just make money with salman in it. But with adipurush even that vision is not clear and its a terrible plan to make money.., lets say they just wanted to make money by taking prabhas, and take hindu mythology story.. but atleast make the movie a bit easier for people to sit through not having objectionable scenes every now and then.. In short.. Its about intent, positive attitude and vision of filmmaker that makes a movie thrive, irrespective of the disscourse around.

[@MrAdityanikalje]

We are all absolutely in favour of interpretations. The point here is, interprete in a way audiences like it by keeping its 'core' as it is. People have no propaganda hating on it. We all are hating it because it's just a terrible film.

[@SucharitaTyagi]

Interpretations change the core of the story as well, and that’s okay

[@MrAdityanikalje]

@@SucharitaTyagi No sucharita ma'am! you can't! when it comes to interpreting epics like Ramayan and Mahabharat. The way these guys have shown characters like Lord Ram and Ravan, it's so shameful. Raavan wasn't just another bad guy! He was the most ardent shiv bhakta,one of the most powerful kings of those times,was extremely knowledgeable and had an aura around him. The scene in the movie where ravan abducts Sita and throws away Rudraksh to flex his muscle,i mean bro wtf? Raavan was the most kattar Shiv Bhakta who could never do such things! The entire casting is horrible. There feels no connect between the characters and the audience. Why would you even Cast prabhas as Lord Rama? 600 crores for this movie? where did it go? Its special effects were so so terrible. Yaar interprete karna hi hai to dhang ka to Karo :(

[@rakeshbarman3486]

​@@SucharitaTyagi core essence can be maintained through creative liberty too btw

[@sumitbangera3986]

@@MrAdityanikalje completely agreed bhai

[@rudrakshjain1960]

​@@SucharitaTyagiwe interpret you both as propagandists, terrorist sympathisers, communists who support Bollywood rapists, bollywood pedo supporters, ideological extremists etc. but not as film critics

[@srilakshmi5]

no rahul..they dont want that..they want something likke 1992 ramayan anime or sth like a telugu movie dana veera soora karna...two really good films despite sticking to original text

[@pambashta1980]

Let's start taking creative liberty with than one religion. We will have a good display of tolerance and brotherhood. And creative liberty is not taken on historical/ dharmic films. Maybe if you're making a commercial film like Pathan where you show ISI as India friendly then go ahead with that bullshit. And what is intolerance?? Can't people criticize now an outright badly made film??

[@arcpd123]

WHAT nonsense are these to two are talking..

[@lol_random_122]

Just one thing…rahul mentioned the Mughal rule. Just the way the British came and colonized the country and made us feel inferior, so did Mughals. They too were foreigners who came and looted us and were ruthless colonizers in a different way. Hindus did suffer under the Mughal rule, and yet we had a film that romanticized akbar (who did bare minimum for the Hindu people during his rule). Khilji was not some Saint, so there isn’t anything wrong in the way he is portrayed. I am not Islamophobic, but I am also not scared to say that Mughals were oppressive looters, just like the Brits.

[@sumandutta83]

Another example - Amish Shiva Trilogy. It’s his way of depicting Shiva but he never mixed story of Shiva Purana and then put new age story.

[@sshray1115]

Nice!! Plz timestamp the questions 🙂. It will be easier to watch 1 hour. This movie will be a meme blockbuster for many years to come.😅

[@sslp5762]

It's unnecassary to bring people's reception of Kashmir or Kerela story here because exaggerated or not those stories are somewhere based on reality and real experiences of people. This is an epic that holds faith of millions of people. Call it mythology,history,real,fake or folklore but it holds such an importance in life of an entire community for ages. Audience are not the real problem here, they never were. Had this movie been respectful to the source material, people would have forgiven all big or small mistakes or inaccuracies. There are so many mythological shows on TV and most of them are done pretty well and loved by audience throughout the world and not just India. If the makers had put even a little bit of heart in this project, it wouldn't have turned out the way it did. From start it was quite evident that this is a cash grab. Ppl still love old Mahabharat and Ramayana with outdated vfx.. Even the new star plus remake of both the epics were appreciated and loved by people

[@bpaddy5433]

U guys come from metropolitan cities you are so much distant of the reality in most parts of india..there is no Islamophobia..the phobia here is real ..the metropolitan cities you have been brought up can have secular, liberal muslims but in most of the parts the reality is different..u r leveling Kashmir files , Kerala story as Islamophobic that's okay ur point of view but don't view every one as the same..in my village in Bengal there is so much infiltration in bangaldeshi muslims everyday there is some bad news coming from their community..so u want to be liberal be a real liberal..have a broad mind which can assimilate that there is a bigger india living outside these metropolitan cities nd the reality of those parts are not so pleasant and easy going with your frictional, narrow experienced ideology..and talking about "intolerance" we are the most tolerance thats why u being a Hindu is standing up against propaganda..nd u know there is always a limit to tolerate after that everyone become intolerant..we were intially quite tolerant to those infiltraters but when they started pushing their beliefs into us, we have to defend ourselves isn't it?

[@rakeshgogoi5158]

🐍🐍🐍 bohut haien india k andar , aaj dekh vi lia 🤨🤨🤨 good keep it up 🤧🤧🤧

[@greasemonk3734]

Rahul Desai got a platform to vent out his political views, sadly it doesn’t help the title of the video. Boy what a waste of time. Disappointing.

[@ShivaKumar-om9ur]

This guy has some agenda which is putting it in every sentence he speaks!! why mix movies and politics?

[@rudrakshjain1960]

I wish you put a word to make a movie on Ayesha and Muhammad.. where you can see Mohammad's face..😂😂 Your discussion seems more of ideological than film critic 😂😂 Talking of intolerance 😂😂😂

[@abhayranga5423]

I guess that's why folks hate desai on Twitter, like he started the discussion by 'oh these inferior right these idiot ' , like how can you be soo dumb, that's why his excellent film knowledge come in light. Understand the difference, this was not sold as adaptation ... like he used word intolerance, for God's sake take your ego little sideways and try to understand the other pov . There are many interpretations in the market, try to see them Noone got offended on them . Baki ig desai will never try like who am I kidding, hope sucharita does. I can point out all flaws but that's to much for a yt comment. (A fellow left wingy stu. )

[@kaustubhgoswami5150]

There is absolutely no problem with reinterpretation of epics. But the core of the story should remain same if you are promoting it in that manner. The makers of Adipurush never said that this was a movie which would be told from a different perspective, or with a different vision. They promoted the movie as being 'Ramayana' with taglines like 'Victory of Good over Evil'. So obviously people thought that they would be witnessing this epic but on a grander scale and with great Visuals. They brought their kids to watch and learn from the Ramayana. What they got instead was a complete abomination and disrespect towards this great story. The story which teaches us about 'Dharma and Adharma', about 'Satya and Ahankar', about 'Brotherly Love', about 'Ethics' about 'Maryada' and so much more. There was not even a hint of these in the movie. Ofcourse people will get offended. If you are going to use these cringe dialogues coming out from the mouth of Lord Hanuman, who is himself a great scholar, of course people will get offended. If you wanted to use such dialogues, then set the movie in a different period, simple. You cannot set it in Treta Yuga and use dialogues like 'Bharat ki beti' and 'Gaad do ahankard ke chaati pe Bhagwa dwaj'. There was no concept of Bharat untill Mahabharata which happened after Ramayana. Of course people will get offended. In Treta Yuga, even enemies would talk to each other with utmost respect. And where are the lessons of Dharma and Adharma in this movie? The makers have just made this movie as a cash grabbing scheme and this movie is nothing but a scam. Ravana was a great scholar who was led into path of destruction only because of his 'Ahankar'. And what did the makers make him look like in here? Where is the dialogue between Kumbhakarna and Raavan? And why is Lanka a coal mine? And why are Lankans all wearing Black? There are many reasons to get offended.

[@SucharitaTyagi]

All true

[@valaja1458]

If u noticed. There r no dialouges. Laxman had only 3 dialouges in entire movie, even when he is injured. U don't feel the pain r sorrow from Ram or anyone else. U don't feel the longing of sita. U don't feel the arrogance of ravan. N ironically ravan and ram don't share a single dialouge. Adipurush is not only a bad adaptation, it's a bad bad movie. It's devoid of emotions. No characters share bond, they dint talk, u dont feel the intensity, u feel nothing. It's a plain cardboard.... No debates needed if it's a good ramayan.

[@shahnazfatima9240]

When i read"Ravan was a great scholar, led to the path of destruction because of his Ahankar"....was reminded of the makers....especially the writer Manoj Muntashir who has been acting like the spokesperson of the film going around doing a lot of damage control....he speaks well seems like a well read person...but a bit too proud of his own work to accept any criticism instead he is faulting the audience for not accepting his work....manipulating people using the sanatan sentiment...he was like if our own people go against us , sanatan haar jayega, ......Ahankaar ...thats what i saw....had the makers just kept quiet and done nothing...things wouldn't have been so bad

[@Narikvp]

@@shahnazfatima9240excellent point. The irony is striking.

[@abhishekdarjee7069]

@@shahnazfatima9240 naan bro we were offended from the time of teaser itself. It is disrespectful to our epics no amount of politics can change the love for Lord Rama for a regular Hindu.

[@chirantansarkar8888]

if we say how dare you to make flim on Ramayan it doesn't reflect that we are against creative liberty because after we watch the ramayan we realised that team took the advantage of creative liberty to another realm where weird weird unnatural things are happening these are highly condemnable when a person says that how dare you? when you depicted the whole things upside down it is truly wrong i am just relieved that team doesn't take creative liberty of Ram character thank God

[@akshatmathur8547]

I am insanely curious on what the public response would have been like in a scenario where the visual effects were on point but the creative liberties the directors took still exist. Of course people would still be offended but I wonder how much the magnitude of criticism will differ?

[@rajdeepghosh5942]

Mass Public never cared about VFX in first place otherwise the advance booking wouldnt be that high. They just went to see if the makers were atleast faithful to the soul of Ramayan.

[@abhishekdarjee7069]

I dont think the 2 day collection is because of any filmstar but the love for ramayan only but when people knew the reality the scenario flipped

[@sripriyarao7238]

Please don't bring Rahul desai... he can barely speak a word of Hindi... pata nahin apna aap ko kya samajhta hai.... he knows everything about everything jaisa vibe..... n such a dull way of expressing himself....please take hindi classes for him

[@sourabhbisht17]

Unty ji aap Pratik borade ki videos Dekhti ho??

[@nidhiupadhyerathore]

Amish reinterprets history and is a very well respected artist in the country. The makers of Adipurush just messed with the wrong civilizational, evolution memories and emotions, expectedly or unexpectedly. I think it has backfired mainly because the country was eager in conveying to the younger generation the stories we grew up with and a 3hr movie would have been a massive tool in creating a cultural shift in many important aspects, if was used right. It's terribly beyond belief that the sloppy writing, casting, VFX and almost all areas of film making took massive hits and were yet able to gather 600crores to do this hideosity, is heartbreaking.

[@sukanyahazarika1021]

The Filmmakers are politicising the movie in a very clear way and trying to play the Religious card ! But clearly this Guy , Rahul is also no different in his views. Kashmir File is a movie and doesn't claim to represent a Mythological sacred book. And we the audience are not upset because they have interpreted it or something, we are just upset on the fact thay while making a film on Ramayana , you should be aware of people's emotions and should have done a little bit of research in depth. Spending 600 crores as they claim , and no research at all. Such an irresponsible behaviour. And now the Manoj Shukla is saying absolutely blunt things.

[@shubhanshujain752]

This movie is hated by left, right, and center. Yet somehow it’s still running that’s flabbergasting.

[@hvr1996]

The VFX, It's not as bad? considering the budget if what we're hearing everyday (and no I'm not seeing it with hating the Lanka vision), the vfx is "how much you can go beyond the word disaster 😑" I am not going into the religion part that's whole topic for another discussion, but when such a large population is agreeing against the slight obscene scene of a woman in a movie and the dialogues and the vfx to top it all which btw is a history they mentioned being an adaption of Valmiki Ramayan then it shouldn't exist in the first place

[@asrivatsav]

Sr NTR did this close to 50 yrs ago when he made DVS KARNA.. it was a movie which explored Mahabharat from Duryodhan’s perspective

[@amanjha-zn6bl]

Sucharita tyagi librandu hai

[@uditaroralive]

i think everyone is just making videos to milk this topic... there are plenty issues in the movie and in our society and in our audience... but the main reason for this movie to not work is "IT'S NOT FUN" simple.. they somehow made ramayana boring.. and it shows.. that's it. everything else is people trying to justify why it's boring... people would watch worse product.. in the name of ramayana coz the story itself is just that fun.. that detailed.. that epic.. they just made it boring.. and that's the issue.

[@dumaba]

I also read Ajaya Roll of the dice and Rise of Kali.. it’s Mahabharata from Duryodhan’s perspective.. it takes a lottt of creative liberties.. I loved it.. as a fictional story.. if this book were to be turned into a movie.. I shudder to think what would happen.. Same goes for the Meluha trilogy I guess.. There’s also Palace of Illusions which is more about the women of Mahabharata..

[@saptaparnichanda7046]

Agree to your points. Amish Tripathi has a series on Ramayana also. The portrayal of Mata Sita as the "warrior of Mithila" is completely different from what we read in original Ramayana and different scriptures. But still I loved the uniqueness of that portrayal. But I also shudder to think that what would the people of our country do if it converts into a movie or OTT series.

[@valaja1458]

Guys. U need to cool down for a minute. I read all those books. N i feel sita very badass in her book too. N I will love those movies if made. But u guys r missing thr whole point. 1.The cresters made this movie with 11-12people n everything else is cgi, even a flower is cgi. This shows how lazy they r to create stuff 2.The vfx is bad, if that's case they can reduce vfx with real time location n enhance the needed vfx. 3.diakouges r bad even Ina nuanced way.... Even i dont speak thay language let alone a supposed God!!. 4. Cresters both were proudly claiming the movie to be a carbon copy of old valmiki ramayan earlier to get audience attention. N when it turned bad, they changed the entire reality. Now it's a adaptation. Isn't that hypocrisy? Why don't u guys understand that this is not about nuances and creativity, it's about passion and credibility of a product. The cresters want easy money n they r cheating based on religion. Fun fact : Most of Greek myth movies r flops too, it's not because they depict ancient Greece wrong, but because the movies r bad.... N same greek story line is hit in God of war.. Because story matter, n how it's made....... Hope u understand Sayonara

[@saptaparnichanda7046]

@valaja1458 I understand your point, dear. I also agree with you that the movie is a pretty bad movie as a whole and we dislike it for that reason only. But, there are a number of people protesting against the movie or boycotting it for some weird reasons. And this trend is nothing new. We have seen in the past few years that any movie can get banned or boycotted for some strange reasons. That is the scariest thing happening in our country, and we're talking about that. And talking about creative liberty, there was an adaptation of Ramayana aired a few years ago called "Siya ke Ram." Though that TV series has typical problems of Indian serials, the script writer and the actors still have done a great job. In that serial, Sita counter questioned Ram about his duty and failure as a husband. This is just before when Sita goes inside the earth. This is also creative liberty, and the makers used it so beautifully. But, if you watch the comments on this scene, you'll shudder. The comments are like "Devi Sita never questions Lord Ram like that. She always kept her head down, and so many like these. Do you really think the people who comment like these or ask why Kriti Sanon doesn't have a ghunghat, will accept Sita as "warrior princess"? This is actually the problem of the current situation. We forgot to tolerate and understand others' perspectives. We can all agree that 'Adipurush' is a bad film for different valid reasons, but not for the weird reasons of some people.

[@seemonjena659]

@@valaja1458 I completely agree with you! You have really put what most of us were feeling succinctly! The least the makers should have done is shoot at real locations and atleast get the main characters right. I am not nitpicking at the more finer details of Ramayan coz I don't expect the makers to know about them let alone show them. They sidelined Lakshman, have handed cringe dialogues to Hanumanji, sexualized Sarma (Vivisan's wife), reduced Kumbhkaran who is supposed to be one of the most intelligent and mightiest warriors in Lanka to a giant who was just howling! They should have from the very beginning clarified that they have not adapted Valmiki's Ramayan. They have literally scammed people.

[@seemonjena659]

@@saptaparnichanda7046 I also agree with this. There have been and there will be different interpretations of Ramayan. What I have come to understand that in the post pandemic era people have become more intolerant than ever before. There are rumours that Nitesh Tiwari will be directing a movie also based on Ramayan. And Ranbir Kapoor and Alia Bhatt will be leads. People are literally questioning this casting on the basis of Ranbir's eating choices! Since when did an actor's personal life matter so much. We should judge a movie on the basis of its storyline, technical aspects and the acting of the actors! If we go about looking for a perfect man (God knows what people commenting like this even mean by 'perfection'), then there won't be many options left. Coz we are all flawed and there is no thing as perfect. Even though some of us are sensible enough to call out those who are bashing a movie for weird reasons, we can't argue with them coz apparently the weirdos are in the majority!

[@bharat_vaasi]

Rahul Desai diarrhoea of saying Ramayan as a mythology.... mythology 😂😂😂

[@charchitacharya9477]

Disagree hard with Rahul when he is saying the problem is "How dare they change ramayan" That is the loudest criticism , but not the most relevant one , that is the current right wing narrative , but the common rational liberal who is still in majority , although not as loud, has a problem that THE MOVIE WAS SHIT for 90 percent of what matters in a movie , dialogue , screenplay , ravan was a very complex character , meghnad was brave , ravan's brothers were not evil , hanuman and angad were benevloent characters out of their hard exterior , none of that is here

[@SucharitaTyagi]

Disagree karne se pehle araam se sun le. He’s saying exactly what you’re saying.

[@deepakmohan9451]

I have one simple point, why in the hell no one not a single person from the censor board banned it in the first place… why allow such a movie to release and make ppl unhappy… I kinda feel censorship should really be be stern on such content

[@ssgg4160]

I think a Frankenstein monster has been created which has been taking shape since the past 10 years and as you know many people added fuel to it…I think now its difficult to control as it will affect every-form of creativity in the coming future.

[@sumandutta83]

Guys just one thing to say - If you have watched Mahabharat made in Star Plus which later came to Disney Hot Star. That is some thing if you watch you can’t or won’t say - that old Mahabharat was better. See the artist selections , see the action .. and see how they have used all the VFX but without distorting it. We all take reference from new Mahabharat. We see the reference of new Krishna. So that is how you do when you are recreating a such an imp epic. So we have an example .. I am sure there budget was not 500 CR.

[@intelligentakt3918]

Can Bollywood make movie about our prophet Muhammad?

[@komal146]

When you live in the age of pseudo science, you get this. This was devoid of any complexity and artistic interpretation. It had singular theme of national/religious superiority running through it like dozen other movies nowadays. And if Ramayana is supposed to be historical fact, they butchered facts and adopted WhatsApp facts about advance Ayodhya. That killed a lot of world building, immersion and anything remotely interesting about our ancient heritage.

[@srilakshmi5]

please watch daana veera soora karna...brilliant mahabharata adaptation...this is how it is done...original but not boring

[@sohambhaduri235]

Do you really think Sucharita, that the dialogues used in the movie justifies it in the movie and that too lord Hanuman saying. Like " Tere Baap ki Lanka, Tere Baap ke kapre or Tumhare Shesh Naag ko lamba kar diya. Ab pura pitara bhara hai"? These dialogues used in the movie are really justified and should be used in a mythological movie especially in Hindu mythology. And the Raavan depiction in the movie is not what we have read or seen. They have defaced Raavan's look completely. Furthermore, we all know that Lanka was of pure gold. In Valmiki's Ramayan, we know that Lanka was called Sone ke Lanka. Here they have made it Mordor ( Lord of the Rings).

[@user-ji3il6ce2o]

Stop calling it a mythology. It is our ancient history, not a mythology. 😡🤬

[@extraordinarygamer937]

Man I wish I could disown this woman as a Tyagi. I am a Tyagi from Uttar Pradesh and I am so ashamed to see this Nirlaj woman carries our surname

[@GauravYadav-tv8ss]

don't be so homophobic look how wonderfully she transitioned into a woman I mean phenomenal

[@extraordinarygamer937]

@@GauravYadav-tv8ss 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@susurrus23]

Hmm while ACK was an accessible, children-friendly version of the myth, I'm not sure how innocent it was in its intent and execution over the years...

[@Avinash_105]

Agree with the both of you about almost everything said in the video, EXCEPT, saying brahmastra and Adipurush had equally bad VFX/CGI, brahmastra wasn't a world beater, but was wayyy better than whatever this crap is 🤦

[@VikashKumar-vc6ob]

I think you should discuss about peaceful community, then see what happens?

[@roopanjalijasrotia3946]

I have always wondered - is it important to talk at length about movies you didn't like?

[@SucharitaTyagi]

No it isn’t

[@subhashishdey4010]

49:15 did she just say rational person who lives in India in 2023 😂😂😂😂😂

[@nickpop23]

Sucharita mentioning Shivaji Sawant's 'Mrityunjay' made my day❤

[@SucharitaTyagi]

i LOVED it growing up

[@pratiksshinde]

Same. मृत्युंजय is ❤️

[@random_gunner.9064]

Even if i accept all of us are wrong being offended, but how will you describe nepal banning all indian movies , bilateral relations are being affected because of this....will love your perspective.

[@VKLight]

Mrityunjay was adapted into TV series in DD starring Neena Gupta. It didn’t go beyond season 1. But remembered thinking at that time how real was it.

[@rdbtumpy]

This is Arnab from Filmkopath channel, Rahul might be knowing as he connected with us for a podcast but i wasnt there on that day. Anyways internally we were discussing that while we are happy that a shoddy product had been rejected but the discourse is weird. And it unmasked some of the "liberal" channels and individuals as well and showed they are as similar as the right wings. Yes, I have a problem with the intention of the makers who made a shoddy 600cr product and tried to arrogantly justify it. I have no issues with modernizing Ramayana as that's what many would have wanted to see - or probably not :( Sucharita mentioned Karna and I remember Dhanush Karnan which was a brilliant adaptation of Mahabhrath in the present context telling the story from Karnan's perspective where Krishna is the warmonger. I dont thing we can make that film for the hindi audience as they would have pounced on the makers. The religious sentiments of hindi audience cant be hurt and there's no scope for experimentation. Adipurush had faltered on experimenting with the dialogue but I would call it out for its bad dialogue and not for why god is speaking in that language. I agree with Muntashir that he wanted to write it to make it reachable to new gen, but he need to accept that he had faltered while doing so. Unfortunately Om Raut and Manoj Muntashir still trying to play the religion card to gain sympathy and acknowledgement and it seems the same audience is angry with him for that reason. Perfect example of loha lohe ko katte hai kind - unfortunately true cine-lovers who wants to call out the horrendous film-making are just minorities (To ensure someone doesnt mistake me for a bhakt on twitter I keep on saying I hated the film from its trailer itself because of the shoddy vfx and non-ability of the makers to transport us to that all)

[@senguptasayn]

The gate that agnihotri opened these people are seeing if that's still open or not. The intent was never ever to make quality cinema.

[@Adit991]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 well articulated

[@dhruvsanghvi7709]

The movie was bad … I guess the reason why people are retaliating because the makers are actually defending this non sense

[@pratikbarne3475]

Its our history not mythology...

[@amitabhmishra116]

You need to understand Sucharita that, "People have not even seen an authentic Ramayana till now in live action like the 1992 anime". If people had seen an authentic Ramayana, then you can sprinkle some creativity and then try to adapt it different setting, by reimagining certain aspect of it, with different POV. But, if you'll try to do it in the first Adaptation itself, it's will piss many people off. And it not a characteristic of how Indian are so intolerent, it happens all the time specially when some western studio try to adapt an Japanese anime. Just observe how vehemently the fan discard and cancel the film if it changes the character's character in any way which isn't true to the source. So, if it happens to anime, then I suppose it's bound to happens when a epic like Ramayana which some people genuinely feel connect to on a personal level get adapted and then it doesn't strick the right chord with the audiences.

[@mb-uo9wv]

Love this discussion- never intended to watch this movie !! Why did I watch Donno Have fun so Txs

[@bhawnaKK]

I find the review so interesting which is why its baffling when Rahul goes gaga over Gehraiyan.

[@shwetakadkol2940]

Browsing the comments to see if anyone else noticed Sucharita’s pronunciation of GIF .. only me ? Cool …

[@leontrotskychakraborty9710]

😅😂 great discussion..

[@Drsidrants]

The crux of the matter is they tried to sell their movie on the whole Ramayana and RW politics, so RW was offended by them changing facts and Left just jumped on the bandwagon for this infight

[@6ftofmisery636]

Im curious if sucharita saw manirantams ravanan and what she thinks of vikram and aishswarya as ravan and sita

[@amanjha-zn6bl]

Agar hindu apna pira vyakt kare to wo islamophobic .what a logic

[@user-lt9fr5lk1d]

yes. touch grass

[@samimeanshigh]

people are calling the makers out on the inaccuracies and all because they said they are making the Ramayana and then changed statements after the release, and it must be really weird and frustrating for all the bhakts out there to have someone being protected by the people they support for ruining something which was shoved on their faces as the epitome of their beliefs

[@DhMa1987]

This is not about Adipurush. I am not a film buff, I saw both Haider and Kashmir Files. Kashmir Files was at best an average movie and Haider was a good movie. Having said this, how a movie that shows all the documented events (Girija Tikku, BK Gnajoo, Mr. Kaul, Nandimarg, and Airforce officers killing) as they happened, is called a propaganda movie; and a movie however good it may be (Haider), that whitewashes terrorism and brushes the greatest tragedy of independent India (massacre of pandits) under the carpet is not called a propaganda movie. Or anything that's against personal belief can be termed propaganda?

[@rahultiwari-dx8qo]

As always sucharita made more sense than desai who just seems to have a choosen a life of being a devil's advocate for making himself stand out of the crowd but he ends up making points which are good conceptually but complete bs on ground level

[@aasthagupta1661]

Sucharita, you looked genuinely sad for the movie. 😢😢😢 But great insights you guys, as always! Rahul was as blunt as one could get with the political agenda! 😅

[@anupkonnur2205]

Final thoughts of Raavan.: Bas mera ho gaya...Anaconda kahaan hain..Its massage time😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@anurag8400]

agree with rahul @5:30 - even the deshbhakt channel is sounding like that. which I thought was quite weird coming from that side.

[@rohini7807]

You guys are talking through your hats!

[@ruchiisthebest]

When planet of the apes came out i wished that the vanar sena would look like them

[@samratsiddhat1550]

I agree with both of them that everyone has the right to experiment with mythology. But there is a way of improving things.

[@user-ji3il6ce2o]

It is NOT a mythology, it is our history. 😡🤬

[@harshitpal2577]

Bsdk Tera bap bhi mythological hai

[@rakeshbarman3486]

when did om raut become our own btw , nobody knew him until tanaji and this movie ,

[@shivrajh2341]

It's history and not mythology

[@NileshKumar-nr2vj]

😂😂

[@WalterWhite-qg9kc]

true..

[@saurabhg6331]

Interesting points made by Rahul here.

[@harshachittajallu5824]

Pls do a review for black mirror wanna hear your thoughts 😇

[@bansilmistry1096]

You both had me at your closing notes it was so enlightening and something that has been said, and I could not stop myself and click the liked button. Thank you.

[@SucharitaTyagi]

Thankyou ❣️

[@sanchitvarma1282]

Very good video. Especially the discussion about the intricacies of intolerance. Just a minor correction - the score is by Sanchit and Ankit Balhara, not Ajay Atul.

[@prabhat30100]

I think he heart wasn’t at right place when the movie was made, enough effort wasn’t put. So disappointed performance from Prabhas, he is a big star charged more than 100cr, he didn’t put enough to become Ram!!! No body language no worked out body

[@TheysaidWeheard]

Bahut ho gaya h ab...aage bhi Agar koi Hindu Gods par mazaak karne ki koshish karega...uska yahi haal hoga

[@Feyenoord101]

Teaser ke baad dekhne ki himmat nahi hui

[@mugamainali8060]

nothings wrong with modernity but why are they copying shit from hollywood?the ogres from LOTR, planet of the apes like wanar sena. why cant they use their creative freedom and still stay true to the original story. to give a small example: ravan could have been shown wearing gemstone (mukut) in certain scene that is such a beautiful part of hindu culture, but instead they chose to go whatever the hell he is wearing and the stupid haircut At least have an Original idea!! and also promote it the same way.

[@seeker7987]

Best thing people can do is stop watching it…which they r not doing

[@srirampanasonic]

I hope salar works because post bahubali his career is f****d up

[@jitupattnaik6140]

Self annointed pontiffs of critique....

[@krishshautriya5170]

When did they annoint themselves as the pontiffs of criticism? Or do you just make up things to criticize people whose opinions trigger you?

[@jitupattnaik6140]

They put up their videos and opinion in the public domain for consumption and criticism, why are you feeling so hurt? are you triggered by my opinion?

[@krishshautriya5170]

@@jitupattnaik6140 Pointing out your mistakes is not getting triggered, my friend. Like their videos, any comment on youtube is up for criticism. Also, I love how you are deflecting my criticism of your opinion without providing any defense. Is it because you don't have any?

[@aparimit]

Was expecting a Fire in The Mountains discussion

[@namanjotsinghns]

Ya i wanted that discussion