What would it mean if Finland and Sweden join Nato? - BBC News

Finland and Sweden are said to be considering a joint bid to join Nato despite fears of retaliation from Russia.
Stockholm and Helsinki have long pursued policies of military neutrality to avoid conflict with regional powers.
But, Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin said "everything had changed" when Russia attacked Ukraine and told reporters that Helsinki must to be "prepared for all kinds of actions from Russia".
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has stressed that Moscow would have to "rebalance the situation" with its own measures if the Nato bid went ahead.
Finnish Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto has said it would be "useful" for Sweden and Finland to launch joint Nato membership bids, but added that no fixed date had been set for any potential application.
The BBC's Ros Atkins explains the latest developments.
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[@jackwestin2090]

As a Swede i have never been a huge supporter of Military Alliances but it might just be the right time considering current situation. About 60 percent of the Swedish people think that Sweden should join NATO if Finland joins.

[@reubensandwich9249]

And if you choose to leave in the future, that's cool too.

[@expatmousse5196]

And I welcome Sweden and Finland to NATO but also believe, better late than never, that at some point Ukraine should be able to join too, it’s a bit late for Ukraine now but it this war does come to an end like 8years ago Putin will try again, hopefully Ukraine will have been able to join……. It’s precisely the opposite of what Putin wants😉

[@FoodwaysDistribution]

Well at least you can put to rest the fallacy that sweden is a neutral country

[@Cptnbond]

The immediate Swedish effect is that an aggressor's "threshold" effect is raised considerably. Not only what Peter Hultqvist usually used to say; "it's crucial to send a message" -- this is the real thing, and not talk. Just consider how the Baltic states would be without air policing and some NATO bases in these countries. They would have been scared about what could happen next?

[@einienj3281]

And nearly 70% of us finns want to join.. so I guess we are joining 😊👍🏻

[@donthaveonern]

As a Finn I'm touched by all the support from around the world for our possible membership of NATO. Thank you, everyone, for your kind words.

[@brn2pil928]

@Brenton Schultz there's nothin but subliminal audio

[@not-even-german4892]

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@keyboardwarrior1648]

Prepared to be F**** by Russian Army lol 😅😅😅

[@collinsoconnor5843]

Russia should bomb Finland

[@dwaynehicks6838]

As a Brit I hope the Nordic countries join NATO asap .

[@kimnice]

Fun Fact: In Finland there's been three times more applications for gun licences in the last two months and private gun shops are running out of ammunition because the demand has been so huge. Also voluntary military courses have seen multiple times more people. I also received my first call to a compulsory military training after my mandatory military service..these calls have been happening a lot lately. That's what's happening in this peace loving country right now.

[@jesusnazareth3655]

Funny? Humans prepare themselves to kill other humans who don't want to fight with them, but there's some men wearing tie who decide for all

[@torg2126]

How's your national level rifle competitions going? More importantly, about how are your deer and elk hunters doing. I recall the last time this shit happened they had something important to do, something something White Death, hundreds of kills with an Mousin-Nagiant and a SMG. I'm certain nothing similar is going to happen, it's not like countries with large, enthusiastic hunting communities mass produce expert riflemen, and it's not like the Russians have a habit of stupidly invading even colder places without proper equipment, right?

[@kimnice]

@@jesusnazareth3655 Hi Jesus! How's your hands and feet? I guess another fun fact is that we Finns love sarcasm, irony, dark humour and self deprecating humour.

[@abramsatwo2515]

@@jesusnazareth3655 maybe Jesus should have a chat with Valid

[@austindarrenor]

Here in the USA the Democrat political party have been wanting to re-write the 2nd amendment* to our Constitution for a long time. Basically they want to disarm us. But seeing what's been happening in Ukraine they'll have to bury that idea. Kiss it good-bye with some flowers and a headstone. (*the right to bear arms)

[@TheGamingCathedral]

As a Swede, I never liked the idea of joining NATO. No one I know was in favor of joining just a couple months ago. But with Russia's (or more specifically Putin's) constant threats and war-mongering, we feel like we don't have a choice anymore. Even the people who don't like NATO are now in favor of joining. He's quite literally pushing us towards a membership.

[@marisadallavalle393]

@The Gaming Cathedral. Why did you not want to join NATO?

[@CStone-xn4oy]

@@marisadallavalle393 I am guessing it is due to Sweden's long and proud history of remaining neutral but I will let The Gaming Cathedral speak for himself.

[@CStone-xn4oy]

Rest assured, Sweden would be welcomed into NATO with open arms.

[@pyhead9916]

LOL - Russia parks their submarines in your Archipelago daily and you can't find them. You better think about getting help.

[@pyhead9916]

@@CStone-xn4oy Sweden has never been neutral, they just love making money claiming to be neutral. Most of the large companies in Sweden today became wealthy selling goods to Hitler. Is that being neutral? They also have a proud history of returning escaped Jewish people to Hitler as well.

[@JimmyRingz]

We, Finns, are a peace loving democracy and we'd obviously never want to fight anyone. That said, we're very proud of our country and would never let anyone take it from us without a furious fight with our extremely capable army, extremely capable for a smallish country at least. We've unfortunately had to fight our neighbor in the past, long time ago. We've lived in peace for generations, but now we've again lost all trust in Russia and I would be amazed if we didn't join Nato together with our Swedish brothers and sisters. Madman next door will be disappointed, but he knows who to blame if he has a mirror in his office. Slava Ukraini, I hope this madness stops SOON.

[@OzcarMike641]

Stand FIRM Finland !

[@Roboman1807]

My opinion is that Putin is too busy with Ukraine to invade Sweden and Finland. Now should be the time to join NATO.

[@williamfindspeople4341]

Remember your Viking Heralded warriors, it's part of your blood.

[@PlayshotKalo]

The extremely friendly yet extremely deadly defensive military of Finland is something we learn about in the history books. Finland is also classified as a true democracy while even my country the US is classified as a flawed democracy. Finland has a great system and a great government who is beholden to serving all it's people. Nothing but respect for your country, we support you in your sovereignty no matter what you choose. If Russia is smart, they stay out of Finland

[@emilarg3799]

You call a "madman" to someone (Russia) that wants to defend his own house (Motherland) from a Nazi neighbor (Ukraine) that started killing its own family (citizens of Lugansk and Donetsk) during eight years, only because these family members ( Lugansk and Donetsk) don't want to follow their way of living (2014 coup). Yeah, it seems that your sense of loving democracy fits only if the narrative that comes from your wealthy friends (UE and US) and no as real principles of life that should apply to everybody. This crazy neighbor (Ukraine) and his hooligans friends (NATO) represent a threat for somebody else house (Russia) and it seems the Finland wants to become another hooligan and join the gang (NATO). Think what NATO has done through history, NATO has never brought peace anywhere in the world since its formation, on the contrary only chaos, death and destruction, the OTAN is the hand with the stick of the US. Good luck to the people of Finland hanging out with the wrong crowd.

[@Critical-Thinker895]

Putin has no one to blame but himself. He greatly underestimated the response to his hostilities.

[@markusoreos.233]

@Endofaya Yup he is. No need to clarify that

[@Critical-Thinker895]

@Endofaya I believe my statement speaks for itself. Have a great day.

[@stophate2023]

@Endofaya you mean like those critical thinking 3rd grade RUzzIAN arguments like "wHat aBOut ism?".🤣🤣🤣

[@bw6524]

Every single word is correct. Putin has bit off far more than he expected to chew. He's messed up and he knows it.

[@Jammsizzle]

@@Critical-Thinker895 👍

[@MrHaShBaSh1988]

Our Finland 🇫🇮 and Sweden 🇸🇪 brothers are always welcome.

[@anttisoramies2511]

I served in 92. I have lived abroad almost my whole life. I'd come home in a blink of an eye! Suomi 🇫🇮 forever

[@topiseppanen3564]

kunnon mies

[@MunNimiOnFortissaEntsuuli_gum]

Meidän pääministeri osaa sweden

[@enlightened3945]

I am from Bangladesh. I have been in Finland and I realized how peace loving, reasonable and friendly people they are. I am willing to do anything possible within my ability to support this wonderful country and it's people if anything goes wrong.

[@rizzyullah]

They are also racist just like Ukrainians. Be careful what you wish for.

[@godmessage1225]

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[@sarcasmbanega5997]

🤡🤡🤡

[@constantiniasmith4231]

Love russia from indonesia🇲🇨Z🇷🇺 quit hating on russia. Russia get's even more based in 2022 and hypocratic people are stopping it

[@LyonHeart-bo3gx]

Good for you, it will be great if you could make that move now so when they get nuked you'll be there to take one for them.

[@incremental_failure]

As their southern neighbour, Finns are great people. Few nations I would be willing to fight for as a foreigner.

[@taranectaria]

thank you :)

[@acidbot666]

Enjoy nuclear incineration!

[@darenzy]

Makes sense, Baltic states always liked to lick boots.

[@mozambique9113]

I will fight and die for Soviet Union

[@patzino7701]

@@mozambique9113 Too bad that soviet union does not exists.

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

When Patrick Star yelled *"FINLAND!"* he was more than just yelling a country's name....Patrick falling represents Russia and its mistake of invading Finland when Russia a part of the Soviet Union in 1939 Like the Ukrainians, the Finns have every right to decide whether they'd want to be in NATO or not, a superpower shouldn't be making that decision for them

[@tashadent150]

Even if this does or doesn't happen in a few months or years, the fact that are even considering it speaks volume that they won't let Putin's veiled threats determine their future and that everyone deserves the right to be free and secure in their lives and their country.

[@hermeslein6614]

USA is a coward precisely

[@owenb8636]

I can't imagine Putin being able to do anything about it while being bogged down in Ukraine anyway. Aside from moving around some ballistic missiles, he doesn't have many options

[@owenb8636]

@@lostintheinternet2814 Russia can't deploy 100% of its forces in Ukraine. It needs garrisons to protect its Pacific borders, it has soldiers already stationed in Georgian occupied areas and keeps a 200,000 man garrison in Kaliningrad to deter NATO attack. It has 40,000 soldiers in Chechnya to keep it pacified. These are just a few examples. Russia can't pull troops out of any of these areas without risking their security.

[@setsuna9757]

@@lostintheinternet2814 with a crippling sanctions that force oligarchs to spend billions to just keep rubble afloat and constantly losing armored vehicles, tanks and infantry and losing the northern front. Don't tell me you believe Russian BS that. That is their plan all along. Because if they are winning they would have taken Kyiv already also they wouldn't send 64 kilometers armored vehicles and tanks to just Sacrifice. It's highly likely that they underestimated Ukraine. With retreating safely is not an option either because Russia used a direct assault which is a strategy that requires a quick win. To capture their objective faster. The only down side is that their flanks and behind would be exposed if they got pinned down. Now that they retreated they suffer more casualties in both infantry tanks, and armored vehicles. It way too costly to consider that that is plan all along. Also fun fact many Russian people left Russia so that they couldn't be conscripted and to avoid sanctions. Which make a impact to Russian economy. Also running a military campaign is way too costly to operate now It's just a matter of time which gave up first either Ukraine or Russia. With this Russia wouldn't dare to start another war because if they did it would require them another percentage of their military force also they would be way too vulnerable if they did that so it's highly unlikely that they would start another war this is not arrogance this is being realistic

[@setsuna9757]

@@owenb8636 true

[@Cptnbond]

Finland has a strong army, and the Armed Forces have the highest trust of its civil population among all EU countries. The latter is very important, as shown in Ukraine.

[@trieutulong4709]

Only 5 million people, and it's a joke!

[@Cptnbond]

@@trieutulong4709 280 000 army and 900 000 reservists, with way more modern weapons than Ukraine has. All have current NATO-style military training. They have fought the Russian before. Russia put up ~200 000 around Ukraine - that was the joke!

[@londop.a.3048]

@@trieutulong4709 A reserve of 900,000 motivated men and the largest artillery in Europe. f18 fighters (f35's ordered) with JDAM bombs, JASSM cruise missiles. Here are just a few, not a joke to the attacker

[@trieutulong4709]

@@londop.a.3048 1, F-35? Another 20 years in order! And are they good enough for the S-400? 2, F-18? 20 of them?😂 3, 900,000, are they good enough for the Russian bombs and missiles? 4, just stfu!

[@chrisrobert5252]

1939 Talvisota: The Russian army in great difficulty against an army with excellent morale, which used the terrain and climate admirably.

[@Valhalla_Heathen]

Long live Sweden & Finland! 🇸🇪🇫🇮

[@cs4155]

Death to NATO

[@superjohnnygamble6328]

What becoming American puppets

[@Smudgeroon74]

They will live a long time as long as their leaders keep them out of the grip of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization(N.A.T.O...)

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Finland is a country of hot saunas, happiness, indestructible Nokia phones, brutal terrain, and hardcore goth music. Safe to say they are more than ready to defend themselves from any attack.

[@rovhalt6650]

This is the happy go lucky mentality people had before World War 1 aswell. People still don't learn from history appearently.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

@@rovhalt6650 *apparently And people still don’t learn spelling apparently. Sorry bud, this won’t lead to WWIII so quit the fear mongering. You think Russia will actually attack with their nukes but they won’t. They are fully aware what will happen and thus they won’t. They are smart by throwing this around, their goal is to strike fear. Which they are successfully doing with YOU. But those who know their history like me, know they won’t. But this fear gives Sweden and Finland even more reasons to join NATO. They have EVERY right to join. You really think a neutral nation won’t be invaded? Look at what happened to neutral Belgium in WWII...so you might as well join a strong alliance. Finland historically hates Russia so it’s only natural for them to join. Now they’ll be even more protected. Not to mention, they’ve ALREADY beaten Russia before

[@keithcox9817]

I have been in Finland and I realized how peace loving, reasonable and friendly people they are

[@cyseren524]

so fake

[@mfra959]

@@cyseren524 what the heck do you mean? Finland is one of the most peace Country in the World Don't hide fact, dummy

[@accountdeleted582]

Finland used to be a peaceful Nation Now Because of America It's Going to be a Frontline for WW3

[@forestflood5338]

Russia wants less nato expansion, so....it starts a war to justify Nato's existence. BRILLIANT MOVE

[@shakostarsun]

Russia would of been a thousand times better off never invading Crimea or Donbass, but the reason why is, it is obvious that slowly and surely the capitalist democratic model is spreading East and winning. Eventually Russia itself will succumb to it, in fact Soviets even wanted to join NATO.

[@psilocybemushroonovic9676]

You are smart guy. It's ok than that Russia, China, or North Korea make pact with Canada , and USA should be ok with it. You westerns are spineless.

[@MrNelloxx]

Putin is just the worst strategic Leader since Hitler. He basically did everything wrong

[@CdEmm50]

Putin pink in the little face , well deserved.

[@paulaberstler4449]

Nothing can justify its existence. NATO is the cause of this war.

[@Ianmundo]

Great for NATO, effectively spells the end of Russia’s conventional military threat to NATO. Finland and Sweden have done a far better job maintaining their militaries than NATO countries have. I have worked in Software with people from these countries and many have served in the military of their home country. Finland especially, take their defence seriously

[@dazzer273]

I agree that Sweden and Finland have respected and maintained a good military and defence. Other small nato nations have relied on the USA and UK. However if NATO expansion isn’t a threat too Russia then let Russia join NATO lol 😄

[@sokuralife]

This is world war 3

[@mikewhite8009]

Well if you think that you should stop eating Tide Pods and snorting condoms because all this is going to do is make Russia fire a nuclear weapon you people are stupid if you think Russia is losing this war they have not even begun to engage but you idiots will learn a thing or two real soon

[@readingtips2690]

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[@stevenlewis6781]

Finland and Sweden joining NATO would be the worst possible outcome for Putin's little soiree into Ukraine. It's bad enough that his military prowess has been been on display for the world to see as incompetent, but these two countries have extremely competent militaries. The inclusion of Sweden and Finland, along with the crippling economic sanctions that should remain in effect, will all but guarantee Putin's downfall.

[@minerran]

If Putin were still a KGB Colonel as he was in East Germany and if he failed so badly as he has done in Ukraine, he would have been recalled to Moscow and shot in the basement of the KGB headquarters in the Lubyanka building! KGB is expected to weaken NATO, not make them stronger, comrade!

[@m.w.31]

I am really impressed that apparently all finish politicians speak English fluently. Compared to German politicians it's outstanding.

[@paranoidhumanoid]

All Russia had to do was stay on their side of the border and not give in to their paranoia and emotions but now Sweden and Finland see no other option but to secure their sovereignty and safety. Russia cannot dictate the will of sovereign nations.

[@sirc1446]

Rusia will surely try.... Despite the local populations 🙄

[@tc-rx8dy]

Hasn't nato tried to dictate the will of sovereign nations and failed miserably.

[@ukchatman4920]

@@tc-rx8dy explain that comment in the context of Europe

[@mr.cookie.m6395]

@@tc-rx8dy It has not. It is this thing called sovereignty that we have. We made that decicions yourself. In Finland we can express your opinions freely. No need to blame US for your own doings.

[@armanuddin6208]

I Like your emails , My pleasure .

[@6862ptc]

Russia badly miscalculated the European reaction to the War in Ukraine.

[@darthgonky1034]

Which is calming and terrifying and the same time

[@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music]

Russia's badly miscalculating a lot recently.

[@cs4155]

Pretty sure a 16 year old would have predicted the sanctions. Europe did nothing, because it can do nothing. Russia's nuclear artillery can flatten the world so stop f'ing messing with them. How many countries does this "defensive coalition" need anyway

[@6862ptc]

@@cs4155 You're channeling Neville Chamberlain huh? You're right of course, let Russia invade and start wars and subjugate every bordering nation. Because they could hurt us. It doesn't matter that those sovereign nations don't want to be part of Russia. Freedom is worth dying for, sorry.

[@superjohnnygamble6328]

This is exactly what NATO wanted as they have been mischief making in Ukraine since 2014

[@NorthTexasEagle1989]

Damn fine reporting

[@Asoundviewpoint]

All countries should be allowed to exist and function through the opinion and wants of its population , this is not possible through dictatorship in any country . The threat against dictatorship is freedom and the threat against freedom is dictatorship which ever way you dress the person . A dictatorship will all ways threaten freedom when in this situation as it is frightened of losing that dictatorship and the enforced power that comes with a dictatorship .

[@Mandemon1990]

Jyrki Häkämies, ministry of defence, 2007: "Due to the geographical location of Finland, we have three primary foreign security issues: Russia, Russia and Russia"

[@skaetur1]

If you search through history, they also have had to deal with Russia.

[@ssc00p]

@@skaetur1 and USSR

[@lottat6003]

And Sweden for a long time... 😅 But those days are over. ❤️ However, Russia is a reason to not join NATO. 🤷🏻‍♀️🇸🇪

[@AmalGum001]

@@skaetur1 Damn I didn’t know that. Going a little further back you might also find that they dealt with the Soviets (Russia)

[@emmamemma4162]

@@lottat6003 We've never fought against Sweden. Sure, things were tough and the kings didn't always treat their countrymen that well, but Finland was just a normal part of Sweden, and it would be hard to argue we had it worse than some other areas of the country.

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

Risks of being near Russia and not being in NATO heavily outweigh risks of being near Russia and being in NATO. Russia proved it this year rather clearly.

[@jerrynaga5917]

Sacrifice Finland to safe Sweden

[@timmiller6868]

Not Russia but America and Nato provoke Russia,they the one who come to Russia border

[@thomasoloughlin9075]

Has Russia done anything that America hasn't done in the past.

[@puhistagram]

NATO is not America

[@innocentmalomo7407]

@@thomasoloughlin9075 America does not attack neighbours. Russia does. It attacked Afghanstan, Georgia, Finland, and now attacking Ukraine. A very toxic bully who uses his military power to subdue helpless neighbours should not be glorified

[@fionnbarrmcgovern8633]

So that guy John Simpson isn't David Attenborough?

[@mauserman67]

I thought that they were already.

[@Lemonz1989]

As a Danish saying goes: “tyv tror hver mand stjæler.” It literally means “a thief thinks every man steals.” That’s why Russia is afraid of NATO expansion. Russia is still aggressively imperialistic, so they see a strong defensive union as a threat to their national security. They will be attacked if they, in their mind, attack their neighbors in “self defense.”

[@DWatch-it5jc]

Yeah. Tell this to the killed Serbs in 1999, to the millions of killed Iraqis, Libyans, Syrians, Afghans. All bad except NATO. NATO kills to steal oil, but bad Russia. Funny...

[@yesnoyeswait4306]

Reading last 300 years of Finnish history, i can confirm this. Russia has bullied its neighbors allways, we have war 1700-1721 against Russia that is called ''long hatred'', when Sweden and Russia fought in Finland territory (back then part of Sweden), Russia won and after that stole everything they could from us, raped most women they saw, and killed people at will. They came over and over again to our lands later in 1700 and 1800, and did the same. Russia is, and has been constant threat to its neighbors allways, and allways will be. And im not being russophobic, this has just been my countrys reality for 300 years, and sadly Ukraine war confirms, that its still a reality.

[@thepr1ntgnome430]

Nato bombed the hell out pf libya and US well everyone knows they have been massacring people all over the world. Your saying is just onesided

[@yesnoyeswait4306]

@@thepr1ntgnome430 Who are you writing to? NATO countrys has done terrible things, but that doesen't give justification to Russia, to do the same. USA middle-east wars have been terrible mistakes, period. But i get your point, and some western minded have double standards when it comes to western wars and russians wars. I have one standard: No wars. Who attacks first, is wrong 100% of time.

[@romandarius6041]

Lemonz, you do realize that America had Coronavirus Labs in Ukraine? That Ukraine is a very corrupt country that America (Biden) was using for money laundering.

[@edreusser4741]

Adding Finland and Sweden to NATO would add 2 hugely competent armies to NATO. Finland in particular has a very realistic view of its aggressive neighbor.

[@MDAKASH-ls7ld]

nice to hear from you.😀

[@jc4evur661]

@@MDAKASH-ls7ld And nice to hear from you too!

[@samehmikhail5039]

Here we are again, we will fight until the last Finland, and Sweden soldier. Once it is almost done [joining NATO] Russia will have to hit both to protect their national security, and since they didn't join yet means we can only send weapons. And once RUSSIA is overwhelmed it may use nuclear.

[@janetguzman1985]

@@fbgfamilypack3931 >>> stinky Russian bot spotted again

[@Black-bn6ic]

@@fbgfamilypack3931 #youdiewithputin

[@NotoriousPyro]

I live and was born in the UK. I work for a Finnish company and it's the best place I have ever worked. Finns are brilliant people. We welcome Finland to NATO. Long live Finland.

[@TsarOfRuss]

you welcome them to their death

[@rovhalt6650]

Fuck NATO. And Fuck Russia.

[@atabeel]

During winter war soviet general hears someone shouting from wood - "One finnish soldier is better than ten soviet". Angry general sends ten man to deal with annoying Fin. After short period of shots and dying soviets screams, comes another shout - "One finnish soldier is better than hundred soviet". General sends hundred soldier and again none of them comes back. Then general hears third shout - "One finnish soldier is better than thousand soviets". Furious general sends thousand man to deal with him. This time one of his soldiers manage to survive and reports to general - "Sir, please don't send more our troops, it's a trap, there's two of them".

[@IronFreee]

Russia is basically saying: "I don't want you to be able to protect yourself, I see that as a threat", while destroying another country. What's the problem with countries being part of a defensive alliance if you don't plan to invade them?

[@IronFreee]

@Princess Fox Did I hurt your feelings? :D

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

Russia's assertion, which is at best a weak one, is that NATO isn't a defensive alliance, but an offensive one. Of course, the obvious question to Russia is, if you're afraid of Ukraine joining NATO, why weren't you afraid when Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania joined? More importantly, Ukraine VOLUNTARILY gave up their nuclear weapons after the fall of the Soviet Union. If they had plans of attacking, wouldn't it have been then? Putin has dreams of "getting the band back together". That's all this is. No one would attack Russia, not even the US. Why would anyone? What would be the point? Putin is just trying to justify the devilish acts he's committing.

[@coomercommander2554]

"destroying an another country" is a bit extreme, they are destroying themselves against something that is not incompetent or stupid, russia's forces are terribly equipped, barely know which way to hold the barrel of the gun, they are drunk on the battlefield, not coordinated, weak invidually and in masses, their military hardware is mostly soviet era junk which can barely scratch any recent armor, their armata "supertanks" are inferior to finland's leopard 2A6's, and russia has like 11 modern tanks, a single leopard can easily take out russian tanks, primary problem will actually be running out of ammunition rather than russians actually posing a danger, their navy does not even exist anynore, it's a few rotten sovet battleships, they don't even possess the money to keep their old junk moving, they keep killing their own people, their leader is a dickless old man trying to prove an useless point, only country russia is ending is itself, were a nuclear war to break out, russia would still not be much of a threat, like 90% of their nukes aren't even cabable of reaching finland, let alone even functional lol, but then again can you blame idiots for being idiots

[@robinlillian9471]

@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 If Putin really wanted to prevent NATO from expanding, he shouldn't have invaded Ukraine. All he did was to convince Eastern European nations that joining NATO is the only way to be safe from Russian invasion.

[@IronFreee]

​@@coomercommander2554 That's nonsense. Without all the help from NATO, Ukraine would be something of the past and Russia is a threat. Ukraine is in ruins and has been pillaged and murdered.

[@goldenshine9434]

Putin has given Finland no choice but to join NATO. Russian troops are amassed on the border and Putin has been issuing threats to Finland and Sweden.

[@kenhamaker]

Pretty much, if their intent was to destroy NATO they failed miserably because every country can understand Russia may make them the next Ukraine.

[@swampdonkey1567]

You know maybe great places to place missile defense sites. Arguablely better sense presumably many russian stocks are further north.

[@hermannikoppakuoriainen440]

Frontline not just being a member

[@user-cu5gc4qz8p]

Russia saying don't join Nato is like an employer who keeps sacking people saying don't join a union

[@Nippleless_Cage]

Excellent analogy

[@billybobwombat2231]

Pretty much aye

[@hatchingdraggon8073]

This analogy isn't excellent - it's daft.

[@iSaNiTaRi]

Whole basic purpose of NATO members other than USA is to be a meat shield for USA at the time when their leaders finally decide, that they can preemptively massively strike or nuke Russia without serious consequences for mainland USA. If that dismal role is what people of great nations like Sweden and Finland think they deserve - it's very regrettable. With every new member of "defensive" NATO, especially close to Russian borders, we are getting close to nuclear disaster. So I would say - yes, don't join THAT union.

[@pannypancakes5836]

@@hatchingdraggon8073 I think you mean Putin is daft.

[@mrt1957]

When your neighbor starts threatening everyone with nuclear weapons it is wise to join the biggest military organisation in the world to protect you.

[@TheDrAstrov]

and become a legitimate target, very wise ))

[@hacienda2490]

@@TheDrAstrov Because neutrality worked out well for Ukraine, didn't it?

[@TheDrAstrov]

@@hacienda2490Ukraine does not have neutrality, they took away its nuclear weapons, because frostbitten people live there, from whom you can expect anything. And they could not keep this weapon, it costs a lot of money. It would be served by the United States, but do we need it? ))

[@mrt1957]

@@TheDrAstrov You clearly have never been bullied. Kick bullies in the balls. The only smart thing DT has ever said.

[@TheDrAstrov]

@@mrt1957 Yes, and what the US is doing now is not bullying. And the Nazis in Ukraine angered the Russians under the control of the United States for 8 years, is this not persecution? It’s just that the Russians don’t go to a psychologist, but into a fight.

[@arvopohja7693]

Border is now too close of our cities of imatra, Lappeenranta and kotka. Border must to be moved 250km eastwards

[@khalidsagmani6456]

Let Nato grow and be strong against enemy. Thanks to Finland and Sweden . As a simple Mr Put has put himself into a situation where his countrymen is more unpredictable than his enemies. And this only makes his "table" longer than before . Put should put the own thoughts and understand that NATO is Not afraid of anyone.

[@stevenjohns7017]

I am proud to have Finland as one of our European brothers/sisters. If they join NATO they will bring with them many benefits to the alliance...together we are strong!!

[@yoshzlac2429]

Truthkzbin.info/www/bejne/pGiVnJ6Xr7qad9U 🤣

[@CdEmm50]

It kept the Soviet Urinal away for a very long time. ( now the Russian gangster fascists )

[@trieutulong4709]

By 2045, the Swedes will be the minority in Sweden, so nothing can save Sweden now! As for Finland? A complete annihilation is 100% certain!!!!🤣

[@captainmil631]

Strong? Putin has more than 6,000 Nuclear Warhead enough to pulverized everything on this earth. Your defense system will be useless. Your nuclear response will just add up to help destroy the world. Good luck.

[@stevenjohns7017]

@@timmiller6868 We are under no illusion, it has already come, there is no peace with Russia, we are far stronger as 30+ Nations than Russia, we do not need to threaten with Nukes as they do. This just shows how weak they feel.

[@simonphoenix3789]

Problem is that Russia cannot be trusted to not attack Finland if it serves their agenda. Ukraine has established that. The fact that they are threatening Finland says everything about just how they view them. With Finland becoming a NATO nation, it won't be possible for Russia to bully them anymore.

[@johnarthur6180]

They never did, and treated the neutral country with respect, even during the cold war and before under Stalin. Now the Klaus Schwab NWO Finland's PM has put her people at huge risk. Perhaps she is a traitor like Trudeau in Canada.

[@superjohnnygamble6328]

But it's Ok For NATO members to bully Iraq,Syria and Libya.

[@bluebuilding]

Russia HAS DESTORYED THEMSELVES. I feel so sorry for Russia People, led by a murderer Psycho PUTIN. I wonder if he is done, he hsould be. He should stand trail on war crimes. Oh and don't forget, RUSSIA is biggest country ont his dam planet, can we just call them out on how STUPID them look wanting more land. More land ? You need more. HOw selfish is that. I understand there is a past there with Ukraine being russia or something but so what, you lose your "call for years and later you come back and beat up the person that has it"? GTFO FUCK PUTIN

[@aleksandersuur9475]

In general, Russia cannot be trusted on anything it says, it's clear their policy is to lie on absolutely everything.

[@Tmb1112]

Russia’s proved they think having nukes gives them the right to bully anyone who doesn’t have nukes to fight back with.

[@karlopasway5929]

Great Video! Love it!

[@greekyoutubergr1590]

Meanwhile Machiavelli spectates...

[@hansandresen4392]

The "threat" of NATO to Russia has always been nonsense - NATO is and has always only been an entirely defensive alliance vs Russia. Russian propaganda saying anything else is and has always been simply that - propaganda - propaganda for internal Russian purposes.

[@yoshzlac2429]

Truthkzbin.info/www/bejne/pGiVnJ6Xr7qad9U 🤣

[@CdEmm50]

Exactly Hans, putin is an evil monstrous creature. They had the chance to become decent and all to prosper in 1989 but blew it. Now they steal toilets and washing machines.

[@86ericg]

You are corect nato is not the treath russia is the terrorist war criminal all putin aligation is all in is mind

[@theheavenlyoption]

I don't think it's internal propaganda anymore. China has been on going on about NATO threat to stability in the region and to the Asia pacific.

[@anasqader3851]

Yes countries like Libya Iraq and Serbia know how defensive NATO and experienced what would happen if a NATO country is attacked NATO wouldn't invade countries like the criminal country Russia go freedom no propaganda thats all Russia

[@public.public]

Nato didn't move to the East.... The East moved to NATO.

[@yoshzlac2429]

Truthkzbin.info/www/bejne/pGiVnJ6Xr7qad9U 🤣

[@psilocybemushroonovic9676]

WTF? 🤦‍♂

[@mattijussila3007]

This is exactly right. NATO doesn't expand. Nations want to join it dor security. So hard to understand in Kremlin, and for new left in the West.

[@CdEmm50]

TOP COMMENT there publicpublic

[@mutkaluikkunen3926]

Exactly what I've been trying to say. People spreading Russian propaganda want to see it as NATO pushing itself to east and that's not true at all. Every country wishing to become a member has to apply for it and majority of the country's population has to support it. Those are NATO's own requirements. NATO does not force anyone to join.

[@eholby]

The only way to avoid attack is to be prepared to defeat your opponent. Overwhelming strength is the best deterrent.

[@paulpeterson4216]

John Simpson, at 4:32 or so, is clearly the love-child of David Attenborough.

[@NSKINGS420]

Much love & respect to Finland & Sweden from the Navajo Nation🦅🙏🏽❤

[@amandasmith6342]

🇫🇮 🇫🇮 🇸🇪 🇸🇪👍👍👍👍

[@svwtsvfcb]

They should do it now, Russia cannot go to war in multiple countries at once! Later on, if the war of Ukraine is over, and Finland decides to join Nato, then all threats from Russia start over again

[@maksimm.8502]

Of course Russia can not wage war with all. Just need to fire all nukes and sink UK into Atlantic and finally will be peace in the world.

[@christhomson8924]

long live 🇷🇺

[@danielbentham758]

@@christhomson8924 🤡

[@shakostarsun]

@@christhomson8924 if you like dictatorships who invade foreign nations on complete lies.

[@rembrandtshadows]

@@christhomson8924 well at a hegemon, its days are numbered. Get ready for collective punishment for generations.

[@PETER-rt6zt]

Come on board guys! ...we love you.

[@karlpartridge9546]

It means you could go into an Ikea and buy a flatpack fallout shelter which comes complete with an allen key

[@peterritchie2990]

From Canada: for those of us lucky enough to grow up in northern Canada with many Finns you should know NATO would be much stronger in Finland was a member. They are a measured people but tough as nails.

[@Mark-Haddow]

So are the Canadians.. I'm Scottish, I should know who has had our back, always, when we needed our friends

[@MeatlBeastShred]

@Bob Smith Probably because as a Canadian, we have so many Scots in our history.

[@Mark-Haddow]

@Bob Smith Absolutely. More than words can fairly express, and unlike anything Putin could dream of. Because it doesn't even need to be said how I'd feel if Canada was attacked, and what we Scots would do in that situation. Alongside the English, Welsh and Northern Irish. Whether or not we 4 remain a union. It doesn't need you keeping the Queen as HOS either, it's a friendship stronger than that.

[@pandoraMVS]

@@timmiller6868 what action? With what? Russias economy is shitting it self 🤣 . they are literally using up most of its military resources to fight Ukraine - and arguably losing. You think Russia is going to open a second front so it can get fked there too? Hahahahaha

[@libra6492]

@@timmiller6868 Just don't gain any weight-sitting & watching. Buy popcorn.

[@YokoFuongAnh]

Putin has made NATO stronger than ever the opposite he hoped for 😂

[@emilydavison2053]

Putin's made NATO much bigger and stronger, he's made the world aware of Ukraine, its flag, culture and how it's different from Russia, thousands of Russian soldiers have died and lots of military kit destroyed, Russia is isolated and hated and the economy trashed. He must go.

[@Neethinify]

Putin has reasons to consider ukraine joiing nato as a more serious threat than finland joining due to ukraines geographic proximity to moscow and lack of an easily defendable natural border between ukraine and russia

[@ukchatman4920]

@@Neethinify Ukraine has gas, oil, good land, access to the Black Sea..... Nothing to do with NATO, Neo-Nazi etc... its simply a land grab

[@Daniel-iv6kb]

@@Neethinify Dude, Latvia is basically the same distance to Moscow as Ukraine and Finland is only around 300km away from Moscow compared to the NE part of Ukraine. But at the end of the day 300k, 500km or 1000km doesn't matter because NATO would have crushed Russia. Europe doesn't even have to be involved, the US alone could do it. Putin wanted to take land from Ukraine using any excuse. Nazi, NATO, independent states, etc. Same thing happened to Georgia, Russia destabilizes foreign states that border Russia. Problems occur in those states. Then Putin calls genocide of Russians in those states. Putin then invades to make those states "independent". Happened to Georgia, happened to Ukraine. This NATO bs is just an excuse to make himself look like the victim. If NATO wanted to conquer Russia they would have done it already, period. You know why Russia and NATO do not want conflict? because both are armed with nuclear weapons. It would spell destruction for the world. So 300km is not the problem. The problem is Putin's dream to have his beloved USSR back.

[@Neethinify]

Totally unrelated question. Is it just me or is youtube not showing any of the replies below mine? It says 5 replies and i got notifications but i can't see any comments

[@allana5930]

Don't do it.

[@mattluke481]

Deep deep respect for the Finnish army. I had the privilege to work with the Suomalainen sotilat and I can confidently say they are the most stubborn , tough , mean , ice cold mother lovers I have ever met and I have met lots of mother lovers. That RK95 Sakko assault rifle was just superb ( much better than that piece of shit of M4) and its just perfect for a fight in the forest. Finland will be a good asset to NATO and deserves to be PROTECTED BY NATO. GOOD PEOPLE , I remember them fondly. Finland , you are more than welcome to be a part of us. ❤️ SUOMI.

[@romandarius6041]

Matt, Finland will not even protect their own border. No respect

[@mattluke481]

@@romandarius6041 - why don’t you try it then ?? Ok tough guy ??

[@romandarius6041]

@@mattluke481 , once again, try protecting your borders and stop worrying about Ukraine.

[@romandarius6041]

@@mattluke481 , hey Matt, tough guy, maybe you and Sweden need some men to rule over you

[@mattluke481]

@@romandarius6041 My borders have nukes darling. Wanna try us ??

[@funcreator1726]

ironically Putin is making NATO grow faster than ever...good job comrade

[@guibredacalixto9086]

How the turn tables 😂😂😂😂

[@piotrproszewski3977]

In his head is:agressive NATO expansion. Psychoparhs see the world differently

[@lousassoul7344]

Hes making it more united too....He blew this...

[@pecquet-dubalaix8288]

Biden, Brussels and NATO want a Large prolonged War in Ukraine. All three denied peace talks.

[@piotrproszewski3977]

@@pecquet-dubalaix8288 There will be no peace talk as long as russians soldiers are in ukraine...Putin is weaker as days go by, ukrainians getting stronger...

[@michaelivey4904]

Understandable yet still courageous from the Swedes and Finns. Both of them are so highly respected both militarily and democratically--it is a matter for the peoples of Sweden and Finland to decide but I personally will welcome them wholeheartedly.

[@trieutulong4709]

By 2045, the Swedes will be the minority in Sweden, so nothing can save Sweden now! As for Finland? A complete annihilation!

[@Edvard7777]

Thank you from Finland.

[@Senovitj]

As a Dane I will volunteer, if Russia makes a move against them before they are members.

[@darylwilliams7883]

I echo that sentiment from Canada.

[@timmiller6868]

Looks like live in peace for 70 years next to Russia was too boring for Finland,they want action, here it come 😊

[@Psimansingh]

Sarra Marin is such an honest and visionary leader. I really like her. All her efforts make her country prosperous.

[@kmgdemortimermcintosh230]

Did she run on a ticket that included this policy or would the Finnish people like to be brought into the decision?

[@maghambor]

Both countries bring a lot to the table. Some might think that Sweden is the weaker, militarily, of the two but it’s conducting a serious armaments program and is investing in its total defence doctrines. These are two strong economies with deep military traditions - just consider that throughout the Cold War they had dimensioned their defences to deter a Soviet invasion without the same type of outside support that NATO members enjoy. NATOs northern flank will be vastly strengthened with these countries in the alliance.

[@deltalimabravo6727]

I think you’re correct and hope both countries do join.

[@lennydale92]

Both are weak nations.

[@jimdevon9550]

The Swedish airforce alone would probably be more than the Russians could handle with their clapped out hardware.

[@lennydale92]

@@jimdevon9550 🤣

[@wilhelmtell3427]

What nonsense are you talking about?

[@ErenKarakasli]

Respect and solidarity with the Finnish people, Finland, Ukrainians, and Ukraine. Love from Turkey 🇹🇷🇫🇮🇺🇦

[@anengineer152]

Haha poor Turkey thought it would help Russia usa made it on its foot

[@714zver]

Хасан, а ты турок або фин?

[@Basumatary96]

Turkey stop killing Syrian muslims

[@richardhussey7641]

I hope stay in NATO!

[@richardhussey7641]

I hope Turkey stay in NATO!.

[@zlajo1964]

Why now?

[@fidelcerda4594]

The miscalculation of Russia is amazing, amateurs.

[@LightingJedi]

Good for Finland & Sweden we have to stick together unity is the only answer against a bully

[@richardhussey7641]

Indeed. Putin is a vile excuse for a human being!

[@psphunter174]

Bullying from US, agreed.....since when has Russian go around the world to instigate wars / invade / murder / loot / replace head of states to be their puppets and spreading propaganda like the US? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJzSoH55m7eCbtk, kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5jLo2WKfbFsY7s, kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5icg2irqsqKsNk, kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKG3aGCCmtVpY5I, kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYPafGdsgLCap9U,

[@cs4155]

Funny how the "bully" is the one who's afraid of NATO that keeps getting closer and closer to him.

[@richardhussey7641]

@@cs4155 Getting closer to the 2 the bully because he just invaded 1 of his neighbours!

[@cs4155]

@@richardhussey7641 The bully is NATO and Russia didn't let him get closer by invading Ukraine

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

After Finland's epic fight against the USSR, I would absolutely love to have them on our side officially. It would also help if they were to be attacked, we'd be there for them. Ditto with Sweden. I would absolutely support the UK entering into a war to defend our allies.

[@nemiw4429]

Only the US wants FIN and SWE to join Nato, because the battlefied will be Europe!! Hello people, wake up! Russia can blow us up to dust. If an Alien lands on Europe 1 day after WW3 started, they will ask themselves why is there only dust here? Not even water. Lets go to the US, they seem in a happy mood.

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

The sentiment is nice although if this becomes putins 'viva la vida' he will go nuclear.

[@AngelloDelNorte]

You do know after Finland joins NATO they going to get so careless and let USA do all or most of the fighting...

[@surelyyoujokemeinfailure7531]

@@mallardofmodernia8092 Kinda disagreeing. Putin still wants something from the world that he cannot get if he nukes everything. Look at all the things he's NOT doing, despite losing horribly in Ukraine and being stuck in a monkey trap he built for himself. He hasn't tried to attack NATO proper either. There's no win for him when Russia's a glassed wasteland and its people the pariahs of the globe for all time to come. The stain they have now won't come off easily.

[@TheBandit7613]

@UCmGqbg-qWJQumRQJbOgUN5A We need to do a sneak middle of the night EMP and nuclear first strike on Russia. Before they can fly their nukes. Russia has produced one murderous leader after another so it's time to take out the trash permanently.

[@danielmosinyi5069]

Anyone curious as to why Nato keeps adding to it military power...

[@macrograms]

sweden: nothing finland in nato: see ukraine.

[@E_Dtl]

With a friendly neighbour like Russia, it's so strange that countries join NATO, the Kremlin is puzzled.

[@miroslavapaleckova838]

Its the bad NATO that expanded itself near Russia. No confusion. There is no place in Kremlin mind to take blame for its own actions.

[@XXPanzerDivisionXX]

:-)

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

Kremlin is also surprised by the "unfriendly" western sanctions. Poor Kremlin.

[@StanbyMode]

@@samuela-aegisdottir they are just special economic operations tho

[@itsppg253]

@@StanbyMode 😂😂😂😂 right!!! "Special economic operation" in response to the "special military operation" 😂

[@user-bu9nb8wr6e]

It would mean that Putin wouldn't like it as he doesn't want to feel that he can't expand Russia. He doesn't feel threatened he just knows he can't invade as and when he likes without having to face serious consequences.

[@ls-l1518]

BS. Russia does not want weapons on their border. The US has the Monroe doctrine. They don't want weapons in the whole western hemisphere. Talk about feeling threatened.

[@indiandaeng]

Break up Russia into several countries just like the Soviet union, Putin is helping toward that reality.

[@forzaazzurri1471]

@@indiandaeng It is indeed time to break up Russia once and for all.

[@Chechen348]

@@forzaazzurri1471 I'm Chechen and I support this idea. Russia needs to go back to it's original borders.

[@lacosa24x]

@@ls-l1518 why are you dumb? We have weapons that can destroy Russia from anywhere poland is close to Russia also buddy Poland is In nato stop supporting thug dictators and being brainwashed people want to live freely without scum Russia invading free countries

[@clintoncannon4507]

1:05 "I'm an egomaniac compensating for my tiny, um, thoughts. The truly intelligent among my countrymen are aware of this...and I also enjoy the company of farm animals" I'm new to translating Russian, can anyone tell me how I'm doing?

[@TheShadiya]

what would it mean if snow started falling?

[@TheWOLFMAN6220]

Russia made an agreement to not invade Ukraine when they turned over their nukes. Russia broke that contract. How many agreements has Russia broke over the years?

[@zarazara5001]

Helloooo! What are you talking about?! Have you ever heard about Minsk agreement? Who’s broken this one, do you know? And do you know HOW MANY AGREEMENTS broke the USA, by the way? Who’s angel?

[@gerryatriesilke]

Better to ask how many treaties Russia has kept, not one

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

Russia invaded Czechoslovakia when they were together in the Warsaw Pact. Russia invaded an ally.

[@techpiller2558]

Should have kept the nukes. Surely those who made that decision repent now.

[@stvk99]

and Ukraine broke Minsk agreements. what's your point?

[@hahtos]

Vladof Putler is the best recruiter imaginable for NATO. Finland has a potent, mobile land army with huge artillery core designed and honed for one thing over the decades: to stop the Russian advance form the east on the few roads that snake through dense forests and thousands of lakes. The terrain is an order of magnitude more difficult for an armored advance than Ukraine. Combine this to very capable modern air forces of both countries that are designed to be able to operate from dispersed roads in wartime instead being all concentrated in large air bases, Russia would bleed themselves dry just like they are doing in Ukraine. So thanks Putler for Making NATO Greater Again!

[@piersp38]

@Supriya Mukherjee Don't forget that SaddamXi Jinpingeini Will support Putler ...

[@alexr.4879]

You, Gitler, respect the Russians and Russian president

[@adrs77]

@Supriya Mukherjee judging by the war in Ukraine it would be even worse for Russians. World’s second army my ass

[@corwinsmith1502]

@Supriya Mukherjee I can't believe clowns like you actually think we are scared of the shit-show that is Russia after all of this...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 WE got subs that can destroy all of Russia in a matter of seconds too scrub, NOBODY IS SCARED OF RUSSIA NOW!

[@Solbm27]

@Supriya Mukherjee Really? a country with a GNP lower than Texas which only reason for not having been utterly defeated by NATO in the battle field is the fact that they have nukes - has the capability of doing all this that you mention here? I think you're the one naively dreaming. Just because you wish there was a balance of power, and a power that would exert some checks and balances against NATO and the US, it really doesn't make it so. Do you people understand that Russia and China combined are no match militarily for NATO (nukes included). in what fantasy world do you guys live?

[@mahmoudahmad231]

What means for agreement in white house ?

[@changmichael3660]

BRAVO

[@jankarlsson8341]

Yeah, as a Finn I hope we'll join soon.

[@Mark-Haddow]

Now you'll be 10% happier than before. Making you the happiest country by a wide margin

[@toddr2265]

Honestly I don't think Finland really needs to join NATO but it's nice that they are just to piss off Putler. I think they could take Russia all by themselves.

[@David-ng7cr]

@John xina bing chilling you really have a thing for cats. That's so nice.

[@miroslavapaleckova838]

We would be honored to have you as allies.

[@borntokill442]

Pelottaako?

[@petermaier78]

"They promised us" That promise was never given. Baker floated that idea but Bush rejected it.

[@MrNelloxx]

You are absolutely right. There we're never any contracts signed about this.

[@CdEmm50]

We know it's lies but I'm shocked that Putin tells lies 🤔 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@vinhtruong2799]

if he didn't invate things would be deferens.

[@yba666_]

Even if it was given ...and then broken. What was Russia doing while nato was doing it again. Again. And again. And again. Eating popcorn? Or checking astrology for the right time? You get the picture. So i wish they'd stop whining cos its their fault if they didnt do anything at those times. And then making it boil down to such high anger that they do a MORE bigger blunder after its too late (i mean attacking ukraine).

[@Ba_Yegu]

@@CdEmm50 Totally unexpected. What a Shock, isn't it not?

[@stephenthielen1657]

It would good for both parties

[@miguelpadeiro762]

Read it as "would it be mean" and got really confused

[@dmytro_miller]

As an ukrainian I'm glad that decision! Finland and Sweden finally did right choice for all Europe!

[@alexeben7776]

I´m Ukrainian too and i think we should have stayed with Russia. Nato didn´t want us and they won´t take us in the future. Our people are dying for nothing. But ofcourse they will take Finland and Sweden.

[@basedlibertarianz910]

Keep bootlicking for the new world order.

[@dmytro_miller]

@@alexeben7776 справжній українець цього б не надрукував на мою думку, тому що усі розуміють чому і за що! Це "спецоперація" по знищенню українців як молодої, але вже сформованної нації! Та "лишатися" з рфією ніхто не збирається, бо мешкали з дев'яносто першого року окремо і як показало сьогодення не дарма! Try to translate mr. "I'm Ukrainian too"!

[@badtortoise3338]

fuck NATO, wars for Israel. Ziolensky is a pedophile. The scum must be removed.

[@DanneyTanner]

@@dmytro_miller @Alex Eben Переклад з України на англійську... a real Ukrainian would not publish this in my opinion, because everyone understands why and for what! This is a "special operation" to destroy Ukrainians as a young but already formed nation! But no one is going to "stay" with Russia, because they have lived separately since the ninety-first year, and as the present has shown, it is not in vain! Try to translate mr. "I'm Ukrainian too"!

[@Handles-Suck-YouTube]

Another thing to bear in mind is that while Sweden has a standing army, it also has Hemvärnet (the Home Guard). It currently has around 22,000 active members, which means they have rifles and a limited supply of war-time ammunition in their homes, but here's the thing: We had one year of mandatory military service for *decades* right up until 2012. So while the Home Guard is fairly limited in size, there are thousands upon thousands upon thousands more trained by the military to fight, and to fight smart. Additionally, there's SAAB and Bofors Dynamics. A bewildering array of the missiles, artillery shells and their systems used not only in Sweden but abroad, such as the venerable AT-4, hail largely from my home town. (Development-wise, nations such as US build their own AT-4s under license rather than importing them across the Atlantic.) Finland for its part has an intrinsic part of its national character, sisu, that cannot be taken lightly. Finns simply do not give up, you'd think that Russia would have learned that during the Winter War. A Finn looks at a pissed-off bear, thinks "I can take him.", and usually the Finn's right. Of course I dearly hope that Ukraine wins a favourable peace and that war doesn't come to my home. But if Russia intends to end our over 200-year long peace, then Russia will pay, and pay dearly, NATO membership or no.

[@user-ey1sf6fy3f]

Sweden will get destroyed by all means they have 0 chance against Russia they're not like ukraine their army is weak

[@Daniel-hs9bj]

Hilarious to hear a Swede talk about Russians not learning their lessons from the Winter War while you have conveniently forgotten the outcome of Sweden's loss to Russia in the Northern War which ended Swedish supremacy. You shall be punished for your hypocrisy and historical forgetfulness.

[@luukasvirolainen8038]

For soon 100 years, Swedens official defense has Been Finland. Finland has been Swedens shield

[@m.d4375]

@@user-du3np5fs6g You are lying and you know it, millions of ukranians, many of whom are close friends, who's families are being killed by Russian soldiers, all for Putin's desire to reestablish the glory of the soviet union days, his expansionist vision, which he boldly laid out in a book he wrote says it all. Russia threatens that Sweden and Finland cannot join alliances that they want, as if they can control what other contry's foreign policies are allowed to be or not, absolutely ridiculous. Nazis are not and never have ruled Ukraine, Zelenskyy is jewish, they are all against nazis, Nazis are also not in control and never have been of Sweden, despite russian propaganda now saying so. Even going as for as saying Astrid lindgren was a nazi even tho he has said on MULTIPLE occasions how disgusting and against nazis he was, and against discrimination against all races (he said this in the 50's as well). Absolutely disgusting government Russia is, and lying to all its people. Whilst other countries are moving forward with innovation and peace, Russia is absolutely adamant about continuing the old path of totalitariniasm and stagnation.

[@shawnmclean7932]

I respect the Finn's. Intelligent and strong, but I do not think pushing the bear into a corner and poking him is a good idea. The west provoked Putin in Ukraine. Let them fight their own war.

[@Uno-mv7wz]

Why cant we all just get along?

[@captainwonderbar1657]

It would mean that Finland and Sweden joined NATO. It's right there in the title. Come on.

[@needbettername8583]

Putin: Invades his neighbours. His neighbours: Join NATO Putin: OMG! Why are they always joining NATO!

[@Ukronazi]

Just imagine... Finland joins NATO just in time for Putler's "victory" parade on May 9th. :-) Go Finland!

[@Mark-Haddow]

They should formally apply on May 9th. Or possibly on May 7th, when Germany actually surrendered

[@DLycurgus]

Hitler and Napolen are waiting you

[@b.baumann3421]

@@Mark-Haddow 8th

[@mrbrand4720]

That would be something to see : ) but they will wait for Sweden (we are a bit slow) to catch up to Finland so we can have a joint application for NATO . I will more at ease when we are in NATO . So the NATO meeting in june 2022 they will have an application from both Sweden and Finland . When it comes to adapt to NATO standard for army , navy and air force that will only take 24 hr. to do in both Finland and Sweden .

[@Mark-Haddow]

@@b.baumann3421 The 7th, in Reims. The 8th was something else, the peace breaking as well as the celebration after the world heard it was over in Europe. Then we had to organise a second surrender, because the Russians were upset at being left out.

[@guadalupemarcial3648]

What about Norway?

[@m0chkijapakyana948]

If everyone in the world were the steadfast and courageous leaders we're sure we would have already ended this crime war and restored peace throughout our liberated territory for our people👍🏻👍🏻

[@firestorm517]

Finland and Sweden both would fit in nicely to NATO. I don't know that much about Sweden, but I know Finland has a very good military

[@scepticalwalker3984]

The Swedish military is a bit smaller but with more high tech systems, generally speaking

[@PSA78]

Sweden probably have the most hightech army of the entire west, though it's small compared to others. One submarine during training exercise with America took out a whole carrier battle group (that's a Lot of ships) and could have launched land attack on America, twice without being detected. I believe the fighter jet is the only one to take full score during joint exercises with NATO, guaranteed top 3 in the world depending on what you look at. A lot of the weapons used by NATO is designed by Sweden, even since before there was a NATO.

[@emil3458]

@@scepticalwalker3984 That is indeed true.

[@ara7057]

@@scepticalwalker3984 a bit smaller!? 🤣 swedish army has allways been behind Finnish ARMY.

[@markdougherty8203]

@@ara7057 sure. But the Finns and the Swedes compliment each other very well. Sweden has a big arms industry with a lot of high tech developments, a really strong airforce and good submarines. Finland has a big army with a lot of emphasis on waging war in harsh climates and with very tough soldiers. Put that together and you have a really powerful combination.

[@Rachonin]

As a Swede, I support the decision to join NATO

[@nikhilbochare5964]

And as a swede it's 100% chance that you were and you will stay alive in winters becoz of Russian natural gas u ass the reason is simple Sweden imports 90% natural gas from Russia

[@nikhilbochare5964]

And if Sweden joins NATO then believe this will be disaster for your country man in coming 10-20years you'll feel safe for now but their will be dictation of US on your country, your defense will totally rely on US and your dafence R&D will get destroyed by that US defense companies for their own profits

[@rodtukker1904]

Pick up some BAe Saab AB shares as well.

[@rodtukker1904]

@@Crashed131963 Not bad. They can be drafted in to infantry to fight faraway wars.

[@David-ng7cr]

@John xina bing chilling isn't that sweet. You like kitty cats. What a brave man you are. Have a cupcake 🧁 sweetie

[@TheScottbernhardsson]

Let's all hope they join!

[@lushbIood]

Thought I would clear up the comments with something different. Respectfully, Finnish Prime Minister, respectfully.

[@OL_Possum]

It would mean that Europe is united against Russia's aggression. and perhaps would cause Russia to redefine its goals... maybe even to the point of seeking cooperation and common goals rather than domination over neighboring nations.

[@Gabriel-fr3sd]

If the US haddnt put a Pro US puppet in Ukraine, this wouldnt happen. Russia needs to Puts Nukes in Cuba again.

[@howcome8395]

Russia wanted to be part of the nato once,but us denied.

[@brandonbrando75]

@@howcome8395 if you really know what actually happened you wouldn't be using that as a lousy half arsed excuse

[@bobowers1131]

After these War Crimes committed by russia, I dont give two sh!ts what they want or do.

[@pecquet-dubalaix8288]

Biden, Brussels and NATO want a Large prolonged War in Ukraine. Finland and Sweden would just be Pawns in an endless War. Just like Iran.

[@FullHD-ng2mg]

Had not Russia invaded Ukraine Finland and Sweden wouldn't have thought about joining NATO Russia brought this on them

[@JH-lo9ut]

This is not true. NATO membership has been on the political discourse for a long time, especially since the fall of the Soviet Union. Many of the political parties have NATO membership on their official political platforms. Both Sweden and Finland parttake in NATO excersizes and have been allied to NATO in the war in Afghanistan for example. What has changed, is the public opinion, with a shift, from a small but stable majority against full membership, to a a small majority in favor (Sweden). Finland has seen a more dramatic shift from a large majority against, to a majority in favor.

[@FullHD-ng2mg]

@@JH-lo9ut Ukraine Sweden Finland all are independent countries they can make choices No other country can dectate Foreign Policy to others Russian Federation disintegrated due to their own problems. It was a failed communist model

[@pecquet-dubalaix8288]

Biden, Brussels and NATO want a Large prolonged War in Ukraine.

[@TheDrAstrov]

Russia dictates nothing to anyone. He defends his interests and security from aggressive NATO-sponsored neo-Nazis. Are there Nazis in Finland? Is there someone jumping every day and shouting death to the Russians?

[@carinagidlof5331]

@@JH-lo9ut of corse its true. Before Ukraina and Putin starts try tell what we shall do or not. We not thinking join Nato. But we allways very close Nato and Usa. Like partners. But now everbody thinking, never trust Russia. And join Nato

[@Socialisten]

It would mean even bigger risk of war, and, as always, rearmament ... even when we all know that rearming leads to war.

[@duhni4551]

Acutally it decreases the risk of war as if we don't join NATO, Russia will challenge our sovereignty and that forces us to go to war for sure. When we are in NATO, Russia is less likely to try anything.

[@thuvu8605]

Now the picture changes, a few last country used to be neutral like Finland and Sweden. Can’t do it anymore. The order of the world always needs to be transparent the side you choose. Right or left not between

[@andrei1971]

If you (Kremlen) think that NATO "moving to the east" is expansion, then you are looking at it from an imperialist's point of view. Which means you would also be guilty of expanding to the west as an act of imperialism. (Let's not have double standards here.) The fact is that NATO never conquers any one or bullies anyone into joining Nato. NATO does not request countries to join. Rather, nations APPLY and ASK to join NATO. Not the other way around. Each nation has the right to to request to join for their own sovereign security if they meet NATO's requirements of membership. I think too many in Asia and some Communist countries elsewhere might be totally ignorant of NATO'S rules and regulations as a defensive pact alliance.

[@toddr2265]

Putler is just mad because Russia was too corrupt to join

[@TheDrAstrov]

And what does this change for the security of Russia?

[@miroslavapaleckova838]

@@TheDrAstrov Russia is in no danger if they live in peace with their NATO neighbors. I know, hard task for Russia not attack smaller countries around border ... but I believe if they have to they'll manage.

[@ethanaperaburling5232]

@@miroslavapaleckova838 There is no money to be made in peace, Peace is a time in which to prepare for the next war. The US can not exist without war

[@teddywillistickenham8998]

go say that to iraq

[@angelaboschetto9106]

My daughter has just been to Finland on a university trip and said it was a beautiful place to go to

[@marksaunders7703]

Oh really, you should present that evidence to Nato About the military advantages of excepting Finland ..ffs

[@ibaublu1]

its attackers fault to do the attack, defenders just defend, usually defenders win 😅

[@JohnSmith-nh3bc]

Not always Europe