Surprising Source of the Stinky Gas (DMS) That's Trying to Cool Our Planet

[@djdrack4681]

When you nerd out on hard sciences...you nerd out on them all: from astronomy to geology, to biochem, to metreology

[@jeffk1482]

This guy’s good…REALLY good. It doesn’t matter the subject area he dives into!

[@brynduffy]

It's not dimetal sulfide. It's dimethyl sulfide.

[@frinoffrobis]

particle physics 👍🏻

[@waris4thewealthy549]

So very true🎯

[@waris4thewealthy549]

@@frinoffrobis yeahhhhh definitely 💯

[@zeroid105]

- Saw the title of this new video about 5h ago. - Did not watch the video because I was wondering what DMS is and wanted to research it on my own for a bit. - Found myself now, 5h later, having written a bunch of notes about everything from marine biology to climate gases to agriculture and livestock regulations to animal rights. - Finally feeling ready to watch the video.

[@r.guerreiro140]

What you mean by livestock regulations?

[@zeroid105]

@@r.guerreiro140 I meant laws and practices on animal husbandry, specifically in this case the classification of different types of egg production (biological, free-range husbandry, floor husbandry,…) and the tethering of cows. Sorry if “lifestock regulations” was a bad translation, english is not my first language. German is.

[@Just-a-Orion-on-the-internet.]

One question, why. This video was probably enough. Anton is really good at giving introductions.

[@zeroid105]

@@Just-a-Orion-on-the-internet. True, but sometimes I just get a itch for things.

[@m.i.c.h.o]

Respectable

[@Nimrod336]

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[@stufromoz8164]

I whole heartily agree.

[@camoTiaras]

"this is hands down", I will look out for it, in the meantime, I will continue watching Anton..

[@SeafoamArts]

Yup. I rarely miss a day.

[@CoperliteConsumer]

It really is, you can barley find such well researched and hot off the press deep science news on youtube.

[@stufromoz8164]

Anton has just the right amount of "Quirky" and as the stereotypical scientist is "Mad" Anton creates a character on the "Borderline" of "Quirky" .Apologies for the "Over" use of quotation marks.

[@chrisw1462]

ROFL... how did you get away without the KZbin 'tramp stamp' for environmental videos?? Glad to see someone taking a real, unbiased, hard science look at this. Thank you !!

[@DavidRose-m8s]

As I understand. High clouds reflect before absorption so cool. Low clouds absorb, insulate, and so warm.

[@kathyt55]

I am thinking that DMS could wind up being just another greenhouse gas like methane or carbon dioxide. We don’t just need clouds to cool the planet. We need high clouds that reflect sunlight. I am inclined to think that DMS could wind up making thick, low clouds that produce lots of rain and holding in the heat, making Earth a hot house planet.

[@ili_711]

yes, now u tell me who is making an unprecedented amount of low clouds ;)

[@DavidRose-m8s]

@@ili_711 Only commented on thermal physics of clouds. Ask a meteorologist.

[@Reoh0z]

The more we know, the more questions we discover.

[@Hei1Bao4]

Potentially good news. I always wondered how Earth recovered from its past thermal maximums, and this could be the answer. Really exciting stuff.

[@kurofune.uragabay]

About the CLAW hypothesis, I'm sure there's some of that happenning, as well as _other_ negative feedback processes that work to bring global temperatures down. The *big-ass-elephant-in-the-room* real problem is that, _in the balance_ , the sum of positive feedback loops outweight the sum of negative ones (with the ice-albedo and methane-thawing ones the main players). And this unbalance is probably only going to get worse, so I wouldn't be getting people's hopes up that "she'll be right"...

[@StarLight-lq6fn]

The main player is the SUN look at the distant past. Climate changes-we just happen to be in an inter-glacial period.

[@WizardKingMinato]

Man, I love this channel so much. We appreciate all you do. Truly

[@jimcurtis9052]

Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 👍😉☺️

[@timeWaster76]

Don't make the mistake that this means we don't have to make some major changes in the energy sector.

[@carmenmccauley585]

Hello wonderful Anton!

[@ProgRockDan1]

Thank you for the fine posts

[@ProgRockDan1]

I agree

[@Steve-dl6vm]

We've been seeing these algae blooms near the southern coast of Lake Erie.

[@IndieCanadian]

I thought it stank too, turned out neighbor composting poop

[@carmenmccauley585]

​@@IndieCanadianThe pig factories have lagoon overflow and also spread it on the ground just before rainfall.

[@IndieCanadian]

@@carmenmccauley585 looks like those factories/farms taking advantage of loopholes in the bylaws.

[@the80hdgaming]

Anton video with morning coffee? Love it... Edit... In before KZbin puts a context memo... 😂😂😂

[@InverseTachyonPulse]

Same here ☕

[@kaarlimakela3413]

Thank you, Anton, for a maybe-just-maybe I can maybe feel good about! 😊❤🙏🌎🤞

[@Bluetangg]

Enjoyed this video and learned a lot.

[@coweatsman]

Revisiting James Lovelock's Gaia hypothesis of the planet trying to stabilise, just like homeostasis in the body.

[@PCMenten]

Is DMS dimethylsulfide? Anton’s pronunciation sounds like di metal sulfide.

[@douglaswilkinson5700]

His native language is Russian.

[@FishySituation9989]

Hello wonderful person 😊

[@JugheadJones03]

So rare to have a potential good news video regarding climate tracking. I hope further research vindicates the CLAW theory. Thank you for posting Anton. 🙂

[@megamushroom]

🎶 we are algae and our cells are filled 🎶 with a green chemical known as chlorophyll 🎶

[@dhaktizero4406]

dmso is a solvent that goes through the phosolipid-bilayer of cells with great ease looks like the same key throw it in the kitchen junk drawer with the others we forgot

[@Space30MINUTES]

My favorite are the deep space photos with the mass amount of galaxies everywhere far too many to count. All beautiful and unique. Sometimes I wish I had an astronomer next to me coz sometimes u see weird shapes and blobs and points of light and stuff and I wanna just point to everything and be like "what's that thing!" Lol I looove the bright blue spiral galaxies they are just so freaking beautiful it's just so mind boggling to think of all the galaxies and think of our galaxy and just all the life that must be out there. And I dont mean microbial life but sentient intelligent life. Theres gotta be so much...were just separated by space and time and our ignorance of understanding such things. If u met an alien billions of years more developed than humans...and u could ask them 1 question...what would it be?

[@Julian_Wang-pai]

I'm surprised this hasn't been bigger news since the first announcement last year.

[@andrewnorgrove6487]

Reflectively cool down with more clouds Yes but under those clouds Does it not heat up ? eg. Venus ! or Runaway !

[@ericantic828]

As for "cooling" the planet with chemicals...we only have one planet to experiment with and although I love science, it has failed far to many times to try a climate altering process that could drastically alter our lives and fortunes. I vote no.

[@grdfhrghrggrtwqqu]

talk about DMT next.

[@markrix]

The exhaust from big cargo ships and the effect on the atmosphere, I find very interesting. If we wanted to put anything into the atmosphere tainting the fuel of those ships would be the best way imo. History has shown aomost every time we try to bionengineer it backfires horribly in our face.. be it pest control or accidental introduction of invasive species or pathogens to areas with no natural defenses.. i dont think we wre advanced enough just yet to bio engineer say an algae to do something different and have it work without negative side effects.. IMHO

[@7thDayAdventures]

I hope you read this comment section and realize what a lot of folks took away from this.

[@glenmatteson149]

Clouds during daylight reflect and cool. Clouds at night reduce heat radiation back to space, adding to warming. Net benefit of more clouds?.

[@napoleonfeanor]

Rogan: have you ever done DMS?

[@joshuayoung3757]

We love u !

[@lasagnajohn]

Merchants of Doubt is such an interesting read so I hear. I don't read myself so I wouldn't know. Somehow, I just seem to know the difference between shit and shinola, just the smile of wisdom I suppose.

[@jonharrison3114]

Is this sorta how Venus was formed

[@AnthonyMorris-pg9xj]

I think that cloud-seeding would reduce photosynthesis. Not good as that's the only reliable way to sequester carbon.

[@omstout]

Bummed that you did not get a "SIDE NOTE."

[@hg-yg4xh]

Alright Congolese children, our bad, you can now leave the lithium mines if it hasn’t collapsed

[@broslyons8045]

thank you Anton -

[@phishENchimps]

it's almost like what ever we throw at the planet, it comes back to heal.. hmmm. perhaps the politicians should pay attention.

[@Canthus13]

The problem is, the ecosystem doesn't care how many people die in that correction. So we need to fix it before it decides we're some sort of infection and cures itself of us.

[@phishENchimps]

@@Canthus13 seems like most Gov's are doing worse. Just looking at the list of biggest polluters, NOT giving them a pass in any respect is the first thing to stop if people actually care about the climate. otherwise, they are just pushing us towards an authoritarian nanny state that decides which day you can charge your EV, if you are lucky enough to have won the lottery and get to use an EV for a month.

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

@@Canthus13 Also maybe we shouldn't try throwing everything at it and hope that at one point it will just stabilize(and higher temperature, so ig not getting worse) and we can continue to do that, all while we can see negative effects already

[@Canthus13]

@@ImieNazwiskoOK We need to reduce our effect on it, which is what we're trying to do, but boomers keep fighting us. I don't know of anyone advocating any particular method of actively trying to change it like the pH in an aquarium, so I'm not sure what you mean by 'throwing everything at it'. All the efforts so far have been harm reduction, not reversal, at least on a planetary scale.

[@FullOnStriker]

​@@Canthus13because restricrion of energy means people die. It really is that simple. Dont forget the biggest polluters dont listen to you or your country anyways.

[@rolandthethompsongunner64]

All of this is incredible interesting but why absolutely no planets discovered around G type stars ? What is going on here ?

[@IndieCanadian]

Denial/warnings are gone.....great minds turning green!

[@temprd]

The oil lobby can’t wait to spin this info.

[@patentpendulum]

Anton someday: JWST caught DMT on earth.

[@johnnygizmo4733]

Couldn't they convert telescope, focused on Andromeda, into an electron microscope once focused on the galaxy?

[@tylera2226]

Sounds great, but as an astrophotographer idk how I feel about more clouds lol!

[@douglasdarling7606]

Even if it's confirmed it's not a smoking gun especially not in the quantities let me have been detected definitely suggestive

[@camila123]

She, the Earth, live , she can regulate her self and change what we have done to her❤

[@CharlesCurran-m9p]

It stands to reason that a climate stabilizing feedback loop would exist in nature to regulate planet temperatures.

[@stoppernz229]

Dimethyl sulfide , not metal

[@IndieCanadian]

Di-methyl-sulfonio-propionate

[@BWBDCan]

IF we found a planet that has the evidence to say life. It would be amazing. Personally the problem of speed of light kicks in. I want to know what or where that life would be now Not X amount of years ago.

[@daf295]

Anton is a master of sci comm. Somehow these videos are incredibly densely packed with well-crafted information, yet delivered at a pace that is easy to digest. Other youtubers would do well to carefully study Anton's work.

[@quesadilla79]

I always get more science off this man and this channel than off Neil degreise Tyson.

[@napoleonfeanor]

I don't trust NDG anymore. He should stick to his field. I like this channel much more. Just facts and explanations

[@chemdemos3292]

I think this video is a good illustration of how science can be very interdisciplinary. Thanks!

[@jim.franklin]

Interesting video today, the suggestion that the production and release of DMS, DMSO and related sulphur compounds in the ocean could account for localised surface water temperature rises is intriguing, especially considering their typical role in atmospheric cooling. There are a few mechanisms that are worth investigating further to see how these mechanisms may provide an insight to take knowledge forward. 1. Heat Release During Metabolic Processes The production of DMS and DMSO by marine organisms involves metabolic processes that can release heat. If a large number of organisms are producing these compounds simultaneously, the cumulative heat release could raise the temperature of the surrounding water. This effect would be more pronounced in localised areas with high concentrations of DMS/DMSO-producing organisms. 2. Impact on Light Absorption Sulphur compounds and their precursors can affect the optical properties of seawater. If these compounds alter the absorption characteristics of the water, they could potentially increase the absorption of sunlight, leading to localised warming. This might occur through changes in water clarity or the optical properties of dissolved organic matter. 3. Algal Blooms and Heat Absorption Algal blooms, which are often associated with increased DMS production, can significantly alter the thermal properties of surface waters. Dense blooms can increase the absorption of solar radiation due to the pigmentation of the algae, leading to localised warming of the surface water. This could create a feedback loop where warming enhances algal growth, further increasing DMS production. 4. Physical Processes and Stratification The production of DMS and related compounds might influence water stratification. Increased production of these compounds could be associated with biological activity that affects water density and stratification. Enhanced stratification can reduce mixing with cooler, deeper waters, leading to localised warming of the surface layer. 5. Biological and Chemical Feedbacks The interactions between DMS, DMSO, and other sulphur compounds with marine microbial communities can create complex feedback loops. For instance, certain microbial processes involved in sulphur cycling might produce heat or change the thermal properties of the water, contributing to localised warming. 6. Interference with Evaporative Cooling High concentrations of DMS and other sulfur compounds might influence the rate of evaporation. If these compounds affect the surface tension or other properties of the water, they could potentially reduce evaporative cooling, leading to a slight increase in surface temperature. 7. Release of Greenhouse Gases Although DMS and related compounds typically contribute to cooling when they reach the atmosphere, their production and release might be linked to other processes that release greenhouse gases such as methane or CO₂. These gases can trap heat and contribute to localised warming. This is a more indirect pathway but could be a contributing factor. Understanding these mechanisms requires further research, particularly focusing on the localised interactions between biological, chemical, and physical processes in marine environments. It's a complex system where multiple factors interact, and isolating the exact cause of localised temperature rises associated with sulfur compound production will necessitate detailed field studies and advanced modeling efforts.

[@aero1000]

Your final take of Dimetehnelnopenenne was excellent!

[@christopherellard7793]

Excellent explanation of extremely difficult material 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Many thanks Anton

[@neilwilson5785]

I knew nothing about this. I'm gonna find out more now.

[@George-rk7ts]

A wonderful video to finish the work week. Thank you, Anton.

[@PeloquinDavid]

I'm not really surprised. I've long suspected the climate system to be permeated with many more feedback mechanisms (both "positive" - i.e. amplifying - and "negative"/"dampening") than we've ever thought existed. That's not to say the climate system is somehow magically hyperstable and immune to anthropogenic destabilization, but given the focus of climate scientists on identifying climate challenges humanity can actually do something to address, it would not really be surprising if natural dampening feedback mechanisms like those highlighted here ended up being less well understood or researched.

[@Geoffrey___]

Can you believe that Anton puts out videos like this every single day?

[@gregdamario5808]

OK, so DMS produces more atmospheric sulfur, which creates more cloud cover but then doesn't that cause more acid (H2SO4) rain which kills plants?

[@swisstroll3]

This was also my concern. Sulfur in the atmosphere may combine with water to form acid rain, which we worried about in the past. Doesn’t this put the forests and lakes at risk?

[@jordonleigh174]

Thank you, Anton! This episode completely blew me away. I was aware of some of the common facts about DMS and, oddly enough, just last week I had made a comment to a friend about what actually produces the smell from bodies of water. After seeing this video, it's become clear to me that amongst the complexity of our ecosystem the Earth is fighting back. Simply Incredible.

[@sandwaves5642]

Well, yes - let's hope these guys don't over-fart, and don't throw us in another ass-chill 🥶🥶

[@knutritter461]

The chemist here: DMS is not just stinky but extremely odorous and smells like fermenting dead rats. It's smell can cause immediate vomiting. 😉😂

[@williamsin41]

So very very stinky

[@jackielinde7568]

Sorry for the amount of DMS I produce. I blame my diet.

[@coweatsman]

Geoengineering by aerosols is really making more complex and costly ways to live in a biosphere damaged by our already evident geoengineering, namely adding CO2 to the atmosphere. It's like having one foot on the accelerator and the other foot on the brake. Surely it would be easier and cheaper for humans to stop their already accidentally effective geoengineering.

[@AnthonyIlstonJones]

You'd think, right? But then that might affect the profits of the wealthiest individuals on the planet, and if we did that they might ruin the economy and destroy our standard of living.......oh, wait... 🤨

[@StabilisingGlobalTemperature]

Solar Radiation Management is probably the least bad option at the moment, among the options that are realistically achievable.

[@arctic_haze]

DMSP is a photo-protective compound which many ocean plankton species use. DMS is its derivative released after those organisms die. That is something we learned over the last 30 years since the CLAW hypothesis (discussed in the video) has been formulated.. The new paper adds to the lists of organisms which produce it but does not increase its flux into the atmosphere because it is measured independently. So nothing has really changed.

[@Canthus13]

Wouldn't the increase in algal blooms around the world result in more dead algae, which would raise the amount being released into the atmosphere?

[@arctic_haze]

@@Canthus13 Yes, if the increase is real. I've seen papers claiming a decreasing trend in phytoplankton biomass but I know they are controversial. I have not seen those claiming a positive trend, yet. So it is hard for me to say how robust the result is. PS. It seems the increase in marine primary production in the last 3 years to 2023 is a partial reversion of a longer decreasing trend. So it may be just temporary.

[@mrpocock]

​@@Canthus13some biomass from blooms sinks and is trapped in the sea bed. So I guess it is complex.

[@Canthus13]

@@arctic_haze I don't know about those papers, but I do know we've had several blooms in Lake Erie in the last 20 years, a couple of which made the water undrinkable for days. Seems to me like we need to fix our shit before nature decides to do it. Nature might kill us in the process.

[@Atok595]

All lies, get ‘em out of here.

[@BangStickky]

KZbin cares? Don't delude yourself. You keep making great content they'll keep on cashing in!

[@skyrat3816]

How about that, looking into the sulfur cycle here on earth and it's impact on our warming planet by observing another planet light years away. The sulfuric acid part is bit of a concern with chances of decreased ph in rain water.

[@JonathanTucker1ls]

The Hopi Indians, believe if the earth warms, expect snow, this could prove them right

[@cckeysify]

Wishful thinking, we‘re still doomed

[@davidthompson7817]

…the earth will go on. So not all life is doomed. Our consciousness does not disappear when we die, there are also records. The Akashic records hold everything so in some form you are always going to be remembered no matter what becomes of the earth or any inhabitants .

[@IndieCanadian]

In the end, spiders would be the last surviving species on this planet

[@four-eight-zero5627]

You and your immediate posterity will most likey kick the bucket "naturally" before the earth's ecosystem collapses. I'd be more suspicious of the people/organizations pushing the fear.

[@patrickr9416]

Has everyone forgotten about Acid Rain?

[@r.guerreiro140]

Finally, somebody talking about the natural self regulating climate systems

[@T.efpunkt]

Life shapes it's environment.

[@johnnygizmo4733]

And vice versa

[@Just-a-Orion-on-the-internet.]

Environment is the backbone of life. Yes life has a certain degree of influence on it but many things stay abiotic factors. Certain global warming events caused by volcanoes or even interstellar events may have had major influence( could be factored as a harmful influence) on life itself.

[@T.efpunkt]

@@Just-a-Orion-on-the-internet. There is life to be found from the edge of space to miles down into earths crust. Life changed the composition of our atmosphere, the oceans, fossils grew into mountains and life even created the fertile soil in your flower pot. Without life, earth would look like mars or venus. Life shapes it's evironment, creates more and more nieches and ecosystems. It needs something of cosmic proportions like a stellar collision or star going red giant to sterilize an entire planet, leaving zero chance for life to make a comeback.

[@AceSpadeThePikachu]

Won't this also lead to a huge increase in acid rain and thus we SHOULDN'T depend on it to save us from our unsustainable industrial practices?

[@wayneshirey6999]

Please, please let's not let the current group of "world leaders" tinker with our climate. That'd be like letting a 6 year old rebuild you auto's transmission.

[@neogeo8267]

I suspect the idea of leaders man seems to hold (political) would be considered absurd to older civilizations that survived such things. That, or they entirely lose their individualism and go hive mind Either way.

[@megamushroom]

Wayne Shirey or like letting a cat do brain surgery

[@yaksauce]

Love the optimism and insight! I’m afraid that the rapid development of desalination plants around the world stress the Earth’s homeostasis. The brine waste byproduct of desalination plants causes shifts in pH of ocean water (ocean acidification) that not only triggers deglaciation but also “cooks” delicate marine life ecosystems such as coral reefs and plant life. Unless immediate measures of diverting brine byproduct (such as brine evaporation to make potash - a powerful fertilizer) or ramping-up alternative, eco-friendly, methods of desalination … then a catastrophic geo-global collapse of Life is not far off in the distance of time.

[@aaron_d_henderson1984]

also, not to be confused with DMT 😂

[@RealUvane]

A bigger problem with SRM spray is the aluminum dissolved in the sulfuric acid. It inhibits root growth and makes it easier for trees to ignite. It also can cause headaches and challenges the imuno system.

[@FloozieOne]

While it is good to know that algae may help to cool the planet and theoretically more algae is a good thing, algae blooms can totally decimate ocean ecosystems by depleting oxygen to the point where native plants and animals all die. There are many of these places and some of them are huge like the one in the Gulf of Mexico caused by the run-off of farm waste, (manure, chemicals such as phosphates and others that algae just love). It can encompass 10,000 sq miles and anything that swims into it dies including fish and most recently dolphins and other higher-food chain animals all of which basically suffocate since the algae have used all the oxygen. Every loop has feedback somewhere so we should be careful when messing with planetary systems.

[@SockPuppet-q4x]

Nope, no disclaimer yet. Probably because Anton doesn't really get involved in the science vs "religion" or science vs pseudoscience debate.

[@notbanksy8294]

Earth immune system response.

[@awesium4077]

Fun fact: we can create our own DMS by making paper (it is a byproduct of the kraft process)

[@arnoldvankampen3672]

DMS turn into, undergoes oxidation turning it into sulfuric acid. So, it may promote cloud formation, but when it rains it will be acid rain, amai.

[@sp_ce.]

Not a climate change video: KZbin flags it Climate change video: nuh uh

[@Mimahnator79]

Thanks for what you do fella! Always worth the watch!

[@andycordy5190]

The assumption that more cloud cover causes cooling through reflecting heat from the sun is very dangerous. It potentially has a worsening effect on human induced heating, reducing heat loss into space.

[@Hoseaistheone]

And so how different is this result from the effects of "acid rain" produced by pollutants released by certain industries?

[@albertchurchill4845]

Why do they always release premature findings in the news? It's starting to get a little National Enquirer out there.

[@razd5198]

I love you

[@roninbadger7750]

so, "earth will survive without us" is true.

[@johnnygizmo4733]

Just like the body can survive without us.

[@TheMarrethiel]

Great, the planet isn't going to warm too much, but it will smell like rotten seaweed.

[@johnh539]

Potentially good news ,fingers crossed. I don't understand how if the cloud cover has increased over the last 20 years the worlds 'Albido' can have been decreasing over the same period as you reported not long ago? Was I watching an old video sighting old data or are the two things actually happening simultaneously?

[@MrMartinNeumann]

Would more sulfur aerosols in the atmosphere also mean more acid rain and therefore dying forests?

[@Jokers_Yugioh666]

Ok who farted it?? Lol

[@DeusSalis]

Trying to cool down a planet that's not getting hotter? are you predicting an ice age?

[@davidlea-smith4747]

As one of the authors on this paper, thank you for highlighting it.

[@Time-Shepherd.]

Cheers, Anton 🤠🖖✨️

[@entity_unknown_]

So DMS is good for organisms in high pressure? Ironic let's just remember the planet's gravity is 8x the Earth