How Much Range does a Tesla Model X have after 7 years?

This 2017 Tesla Model X was BRAND NEW when we bought it! Time to do a proper range test to see how much battery I ACTUALLY have after 100k miles!
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[@AuthenTech]

i had range anxiety just watching! 😅

[@yeeeet1444]

I think I didn’t skip forward I promise 304 miles

[@jheefer5587]

0mile?

[@TheSoccerBoy124]

I guessed correctly I said 202

[@vardkesarutyunov5440]

Try doing it with out navigation to super charger

[@miket7184]

I'd like to know what the range is on a cold winter day when the heater is in use.

[@chezikmusic]

Tesla engineer here 👋🏼 Your 22” Turbine wheels alone will net about 10% less range, even when new! That combined with driving much faster than the EPA when they rated this vehicle, I would say your actual degradation isn’t too bad!! Usable capacity (when new) on the 100kWh pack is ~94kWh. Seeing that the vehicle was showing” charging complete” well before 100% tells me that the BMS isn’t calibrated, my guess is that with proper calibration you would be able to pull more than the 72kWh out of it, probably closer to 80. (~15% loss) A good result overall!! Very useful information, great video. 🎉

[@Tonyrg1988]

Would it be fair to say that those wheels over the lifetime of the vehicle contributed to faster degradation?

[@happinessiskey2858]

This deserves a pin. Very good info, thank you.

[@chezikmusic]

@@Tonyrg1988wheels have no impact on battery degradation. Increased consumption, yes! Turned heads? Also yes! Frequent supercharging and keeping the battery below 20% + over 90% for extended periods of time are the biggest factors for battery degradation. Even with frequent supercharging, modern packs can last well into the hundreds of thousands of miles with ample range.

[@chezikmusic]

@@happinessiskey2858you are welcome!

[@miqotelover]

Thanks for your detailed comment! I always love hearing from real Tesla engineers. Thanks for your hard work on putting your passion in what you do! :D @@chezikmusic

[@sandeepsrinivas7]

I am still not over the fact that 2017 is 7 years ago.

[@EyehatePersona5]

Lmao no it was like 4 years ago, calm down

[@lilgoober-tt3uv]

​@@EyehatePersona5are you sped 2017 is 7 years from now are you stuck in 2021??

[@EyehatePersona5]

@@lilgoober-tt3uv the year is 2017 and 2024 will be 7 years in the future

[@lilgoober-tt3uv]

@@EyehatePersona5 quit yappin bro

[@EyehatePersona5]

@@lilgoober-tt3uv you need to learn the difference between a thymine and a thymidine because it shows

[@LanceT.]

I recently bought a 2023 Model X but, because the falcon wing door was out of alignment at delivery, the service department had it for 3 weeks. During the three weeks, I had a loaner Model X 75D with less than 60k miles on the odometer. I was struck by how much better the refreshed Model X drove. It's not only more comfortable on the inside with the changed interior, but the driving experience is significantly different. I was also surprised at how much more efficient the new one was than the old one, so not only was the battery bigger but the drivetrain was much more efficient. They may look the same on the outside, but they aren't the same car.

[@Reddylion]

Hmm

[@chezikmusic]

The refreshed model X is an amazing vehicle! Congratulations!

[@abdullahnizar6784]

In my opinion if your spending that much money on a car better off buying like a porsche or something

[@cwang9915]

I’ve had a 2016 X, 2018 X, 2023 X, 2021 S, 2018 3 and 2021 Y. The refreshed X and non refresh is very different. All of what you mention is true. Also it has. Heat pump and charges way faster. I’d rather have a Y than the old X

[@LanceT.]

@@cwang9915 Yeah, you're right that the heat pump probably makes a big difference on efficiency. You've had a ton of experience with Teslas! For me, it's really down to a tall person putting kids in car seats. Leaning down to put a baby in a car seat with that falcon wing door is amazing. No one is hitting their heads on roof.

[@Sonicaceman]

Come to the east coast in NY from November-March when the temps are below 40 degrees and get in to single digits at times in the peak cold of winter and see what kind of range drop you have. My bosses Lightning goes from 230 range to like 170 when it’s cold below 40 which is quite often around here. I’m sure the battery does much better in a warm area where you are. I know a guy who owned a Tesla for about 2 months until it got cold in our area and couldn’t believe the bad range when it gets cold. It’s not for everyone and everywhere. Thanks for the video and perspective.

[@soysaucefeng4430]

Half

[@peroz01]

I have a 2018 Model X 100 D with 95,000 miles on the car. My car when new was chargeable to 350 miles. After 6 years, I am still averaging about 330 miles on a charge. Approximately a 16% mile reduction. The car has performed flawlessly for the last 6 years and has only been in the shop for routine maintenance, with no major issues with the mechanics of the car. I have had a Model S for 3 years and it was also an amazing car. Range anxiety is overblown in the media. I have driven my Model X across the country ( Ohio to California) and never once was there an issue regarding charging. I believe the media unfairly slams Tesla on issues that really do not exist. My cars powered cars cost me a lot more to maintain than my Tesla.

[@martinhenneberg7418]

I have the same car2018 Model X 100 D with 120,000 km now, max load is 412 km now and it was at the beginning 445 km. I load 60 % at SC and the rest at home may be 20 times max. load. I am satisfied with this and will drive it 2 more years.

[@wadafruit]

Hello, just ordered a '19 MX LR. It's getting shipped from Ohio to Florida. How is the weather over there? And vehicle has 92k miles. Any thing to look for in my first 24hrs of driving it. I also have a '22MYP. Thanks.

[@foam27]

Impressive👍

[@maikeruchen]

Regarding the window sound, you'll want to get that checked out. I had the same issue in my Model X for the longest time and eventually, the belt snapped and had to get replaced.

[@chezikmusic]

Can confirm, this tends to be an issue on the older S/X cars. Luckily it’s not very service intensive to repair.

[@ransomcreech3995]

The 295 original range wasn’t a 70 mph range so degradation is likely much less than 32%.

[@vitkrivan9380]

Very true! The EPA test cycle is done at like 50 mph in which EVs are very efficient and use a lot less energy than at 70 mph. So I’m guessing he has lost in degradation somewhere around 20% on that car, which is quite good. You also have to take into account that you have almost no maintenance cost on an EV. If he were to maintain an 8 yr old car with over 100k miles on it with the original MSRP around $100k(so like a BMW X5)…oh boy, the bills really do stack up! Easily over $10-15k on the maintenance itself…

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

THX DAN 🤗💚💚💚

[@Story_Teller_Everyone]

Yeah they should stop defining the range at speeds no one drives.

[@yuding237]

Can you do a video about how the white interior held up after all the years? Thanks

[@NalishBiggestFan]

@@Story_Teller_Everyoneon Texas free ways the speed limit is 85!

[@JasonHe0]

It’s crazy how 2017 was 7 years ago. The Tesla still holds well even though it’s been used for so long

[@bkarosi]

What would be the resale value of this Tesla?

[@CS-kk4tm]

he said $25K (originally $100K)

[@roodick85]

Amazing resale value for the second owner 🎉

[@diggindude1]

check the resal on a bmw or mercedes

[@Paul-cj1wb]

On Tesla's 5 cycle EPA test, their 295 original estimate (which includes only driving at the speed limit and city driving which helps EVs) you probably got closer to 250 miles at best of highway driving at 70mph. So you've lost a little less than 50 miles of real world range. So more around 20% at the most. And you also have to remember that yours was some of the early models, which are not nearly efficient or had heat pumps or newer, better battery chemistries.

[@dzonikg]

Net capacity when new was 95 kw and battery at test delivered 72 kw ,based on that is 32% degradation ,but there was probably some kw below 0 mile but its still around 30%.

[@Stackali]

thats still alot in 7 years. no gas car loses that much in such a short amount of time.

[@Paul-cj1wb]

@@Stackali Yes, but these were the very first battery powered SUVs without the newer battery chemistries and, more importantly, much better battery management systems. Compare that to the early gas cars where they only got 20 or 40 miles tops, this is on another level of superiority for being around for such a short time. The Model X's for 2023 are on another level from the one on this video. Those from 7 years ago were the trailblazers. So you have to keep that in mind.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

Degradation is the reason I'm staying with gas@@Stackali

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

Pretty much all electric cars, (and phones, and laptps etc) suffer battery degradation over time at the moment. I'm sure the next gen will be better, but I don't fancy buying a crap product on the offchance the next one will be OK@@Paul-cj1wb

[@LASoundCrafter]

I’m ordering a new X, delivery in Feb ‘24. Price was attractive, $79.995. Ordering in red. Like you, I hope to keep for awhile, but I’m still keeping my BMW X3 M40i - range is 400 miles on a single tank (without using a lead foot), but is only for longer road trips. The Tesla is going to be my daily drive. Enjoy you channel!

[@WHATSINSIDEFAMILY]

Thats a great plan!

[@scdi12]

As a Tesla owner (now a 2022 X Plaid) for years with many road trips I can tell you that your new model X will be a much more pleasant (and safer) road trip car. Since my first LONG road trip in 2017 there are 4 times as many charging locations and the charging is much faster. Enjoy you Model X.

[@DavidVanderburgh]

I ordered a new model X March 4, 2024. Of course I’m still waiting. Have you received yours?

[@evgentraskovskyi1123]

Congratulations on your purchase! Please tell me how do you like the comfort of the Model X suspension? Is there anything to compare with? I’m thinking about buying and will eventually do a test drive, but I also want to know your opinion since you have already traveled enough to objectively assess how comfortable the suspension is and how well it handles urban road irregularities?

[@travisbowman9401]

my wife and I recently took a 3k mile road trip in our 2022 tesla model y LR and we were very disappointed with the range. The car is 1.5 years old with 40k miles and we ended up averaging 210 miles of range for 0-100. I believe the Model Y LR was estimated to get around 320 when we purchased it.

[@aminfozdar]

Oh that’s bad, but like some of the comments above, the initial range wasn’t at 70 or so mph, so probably less degradation

[@denendfarm1]

take it back..false figures so against trading standard.a few have took back there vw ids under this legal terms

[@Bryan-Hensley]

Look at the used car ads, you will not find an EV with over 200,000 miles on the original battery. It's almost impossible to find any over 150,000.

[@natepolitics1490]

@@Bryan-Hensley great point

[@diggindude1]

mine has 32000 miles, its a year and a half old. I use about 30% of the charge to drive a little over 100 miles daily. That translates to about the original mileage rating. I suggest you take your car in, because youre already only getting 63% of the original rated range. Youre warranty guarranties you will not go below 70%.

[@DotNetWizard]

EV Software infrastructure Engineer here. This is acually great. I just got a new model y and I am in love. I wouldn’t have driven my petrol car down to its reserve so I am using my tesla the same way and I even enjoy the process of charging it more because I am building the processes behind it

[@kilgary]

I’ve had my Model Y just over 3 years and I’ve lost about 12% of my range. It isn’t something I notice in my day to day driving but it’s a bummer to see such a significant loss when you are doing a road trip. Took a recent weekend trip to Vegas and definitely felt it. I tried to stay at 65mph or less for most of the way but you really can’t go that slow when everyone is doing 80. I wish I kept track of how many kWh I had at 100% charge when my car was new so I could see if the 70% warranty applies before I hit 8 years of usage.

[@jagheel1]

I’ve had my M3 LR for 5 yrs and 105,000 miles. Battery was rated at 310 miles, and I had the expected 10% battery loss the first 2 yrs, and then another 1-2 % the third year. The good news is I haven’t lost any more these last two years, and I heard or read that Elon said the battery would outlast the car itself. Looking and hoping that is the case.

[@IRLSuperb]

Just stick to the right lane. And the HVAC also drains range so if you can avoid using it and using the heated seats or cooling (if you have that feature) it’s more efficient.

[@markpetty9206]

@@jagheel1 That's acceptable, I guess. Once it gets below 260 miles range though, I'd be selling it quick.

[@gozer825]

If ur going Vegas it’s uphill so it uses 120% battery to get there if ur coming from California. But takes about 95.% going home going 75 mph.

[@Bryan-Hensley]

​@@jagheel1they also said the life expectancy of the battery is 136,000 miles. Source , Germany Tesla lawsuit

[@opadennis]

I have a 2019 Model 3 Duel Motors. The longest trip I have taken was 1000 miles. I have made that trip several times. I have a range of about 275 miles. I don't get range anxiety because I have to make bathroom stops more often than I have to make charging stops, so I just stop at a Supercharger and fill up while I "Hit the head" and get another cup of coffee.

[@markpetty9206]

Since around the 2019 model year and later, the degradation seems to be a lot better.

[@AdamIverson]

Coming from a former 2011 Nissan Leaf owner with 45K miles at the end when I sold it, that range loss isn't too bad at all and the range is more than usable for just about any task you would like to do including road trip. Even when Nissan Leaf was brand new, you can totally forget about road trip to las vegas, the car itself has less range than the minimum distance required between the two charging station, making it impossible. I'm quite happy with my 2019 Standard Range Tesla Model 3, although a bigger car like Model Y would be nice.

[@borg_wow]

Fellow 2013 Leaf Driver here...200 miles of range after 7 years :P what a dream that is for a Leaf driver! Haha

[@OneGuyPolitics]

Just a question, how come you bought an EV with that little range back in 2011 when there were basically zero chargers around?

[@AdamIverson]

@@OneGuyPolitics I actually bought 2011 Nissan Leaf back in 2015 as used, but prior to buying it, I didn't know that EV have existed. Regardless, even with 70 miles of range, it is enough for daily commute and 90% of tasks, but not enough to completely replace the gas car in case of long distance road trip. Even then, I'm able to get around by finding the DC fast charger via Plugshare app and able to plan the route. With Tesla, that completely replaces the gas car. I have done road trip with it multiple times, no problem.

[@biodave]

I had a Leaf as well. I loved that little car I bought for 5k but it only got me about 55 miles range so it was just great for driving around town, shopping, gym etc. and that is about it. Loved how it drove though...

[@TechWithBrett]

Hey I just ask this question. Thanks Dan for the update and it is great you have 7 years of usage to test this out. Gives us a pretty good idea of what to expect from these EV Batteries.

[@stewartciesla8142]

With a new EV expect way way better battery performance. This is a old battery pack/chemistry With old school 18650 cells Tesla only uses these cells in models S&X. Next generation S&X will drop these cells.

[@herewegoagain7403]

@@stewartciesla8142 end of the day it's still a battery. It will degrade and will need a replacement, that is facts. I can't imagine what the new battery cells cost, especially solid state.

[@leerizer]

@@herewegoagain7403 if you buy a EV today and 8 year later battery pack price could be 50% or lower than today's price as the energy density of battery getting higher, actually lesser battery pack needed when you replacing it.

[@TheiPhoneCam]

This is why we need NIO’s battery swap model - no battery degradation! Outsource the management of battery health to the company

[@mike48111]

Go into Service mode and Test the Battery, to reset the BMS, doesn't look like the BMS is calibrated properly since it's not charging to 100%.

[@michaellatta]

You should look into getting the battery replaced under warrantee.

[@AW66888]

Yup - when usable energy is less than 70% of the original battery, you are under warranty contract, able to request to have the battery replaced!! Please do it before your warranty expires, and then do another video!

[@leviborntreger4405]

If it loses 30% battery, I believe it’s covered under warranty

[@retro1120]

It is, but his real world range at 70mph, was likely not actually 295 miles at the time of purchase. Combining that with the extra 20-15 extra miles he could have gotten with the screen indicating "0 miles left", and I believe most owners in similar conditions get less than ~15% actual battery degradation.

[@LuKiSCraft]

@@sillystuff6247 Yeah lol it's cutting it VERY close isn't it 😂

[@user-cs9jp7go6e]

Wha

[@user-cs9jp7go6e]

I can’t watch you

[@kareemacharya7559]

@@retro1120 Did you even watch the video ? 0:24 he said he got it above 300 miles on a charge once or twice when it was new.

[@Neostarchild]

I can't believe it's been 7 years already .... damn!

[@irekfilms]

I guess that this Tesla does not have a heat pump it also means that there is no battery conditioning which can deteriorate the battery quicker .

[@tomihuffman]

But did you do the same drive when it was new and get 295 miles? I imagine inclining or declining roads could change the results.

[@windsolarupnorth7084]

If you watch Bjorn Nylands tests the average range loss of EVs seems to be around 10% every 100 000km (62 000 miles). A little less if you charge mostly at home and more if you use alot of fast chargers.

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

Yeah: fast charging is bad for batteries in general

[@WinstonsGarage]

295 miles was the EPA range. A Model X 100D will get around 210 miles of range from the factory.

[@peterjacklin2295]

When that car was new,doing the same test I think your range would have been between 240 and 250 miles so the degradation is not 32%.

[@Teknomanslade2]

Well he did say at 0:24 that he got it above 300 miles on a charge once or twice when it was new.

[@vitkrivan9380]

@@Teknomanslade2yeah, but that was probably driving at lower speeds...EVs are super efficient at lower speeds unlike normal cars, however at higher speeds they drain the battery quite fast

[@dzonikg]

Net capacity when new was 95 kw and battery at test delivered 72 kw ,based on that is 32% degradation ,but there was probably some kw below 0 mile but its still around 30%

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

EV's are super efficient when driven slowly, however at normal speeds they are terrible. There fixed it for you.@@vitkrivan9380

[@songshub2398]

😂😂😂 I think he lost mathematics school... Before creating video he need to learn mathematics 😂😂😂😂

[@BKF666]

I have a 2018 model x 100d and it has 64k miles on it. A full charge is 264 miles a gets about that on a road trip. Also it was in a decent car accident where it got rear ended and 20k in repairs.

[@stevestevens9068]

I got my 2017 M X Dual in March 2017 new. The 90% range was 229 miles. The stated range was 257 mi. Now with 82,000 miles, my 90% range is 214 or 215. It varies. If I want to for a trip, I can get it to the upper 230s. When I consider that all the super charging has been Free, I think this is GGRREEAAATTT ! I can still do everything that I want to with it! And the Gas Savings is just money in the bank!

[@taoh780]

1:43 I've seen the plastic tips of these charge cables chip off, probably due to dropping like this

[@paulg9484]

295 rated and when charged it was 240 miles. How did you loose 32%?

[@whatdrivesyou6798]

Bingo, that 240 the car stated is the EPA range so that would be less than 20%. Still, that is a lot more than I would have expected and I wonder why it did not charge to 100% as indicated by the battery display

[@epdm2be620]

@@whatdrivesyou6798 And at his destination the real range was 202miles. That's again -20%. 😞

[@marienguyen2501]

My 2018 lrm3 is 5.5 years old, 70k miles, and my range loss is a lot less than what you have. At 80% charge, I am still getting about 237 miles. I will go a bit below 10% and then charge to max and see what close to 100% still will get me. Originally mine was 310 total miles range so my range loss is pretty minimal. There are plenty of super chargers around and so I am not very concerned. Also, if all you are using your X for driving mostly around for errands, the 30% range loss does not impact the utility of the car much….only would impact long trips.

[@phillipsusi1791]

Wow. My wife's 2016 model X 75 D only started with 220 miles of range, and it still gets about 215. We normally only charge it to ~180 in town. We'll see how it does on this year's drive all the way from Florida to Maine after 8 years and 5 or 6 such road trips. Hooray for being grandfathered in to free supercharging.

[@ceylontea5877]

75d battery seems to hold range more than other packs.

[@phillipsusi1791]

@@ceylontea5877 Really? Interesting. My 2022 model 3 seems like it might be losing range a little bit faster but maybe still too early to tell. I'm not sure about their recommendation to charge it to 100% once a week ( LiFePo cells ).

[@abdullahnizar6784]

The reason that it says that you used 70 something KWH is because of battery deterioration. Basically when a battery starts to deteriorate the maximum capacity of the batteries reduces as well. Just like on your iphone. It's not that the phone starts to use more battery as it becomes old but rather that the battery capacity is reducing causing your total active screen time to reduce. So its not that the car just uses more energy rather it is that the original 100kwh worth of batteries can only hold 70 something kwh of charge.

[@pshattuck1]

My 2016 X came with an 8 year warranty on the drive train AND battery. If you have that same warranty, you should check with Tesla and find out what would constitute a bad battery (excessive range loss), because you may qualify for a swap! Also, don’t plan on having more miles than shown, as I have had my car run out of battery, the instant it hit zero. I was only a couple of blocks from a Supercharger, so I pushed it over there in Tow Mode. However, when I plugged it in, my 12V battery was dead and so that computer was unable to communicate with the charger. I had to jump the 12V to get the computer to fire up. Big hassle!!

[@markpetty9206]

Sounds terrible. What a big problem I don't need.

[@ISLAMICSTORIES13]

thats terrible for a 80k car ngl

[@mikemazzantini6397]

@@ISLAMICSTORIES13 Even $1million cars can run out of gas. The price is irrelevant.

[@ISLAMICSTORIES13]

my point was that an 80k electric car shouldn't need a 12v battery jump to start the computers in order to charge the car. they could easily engineer it to have a jump box built in. @@mikemazzantini6397

[@roodick85]

​@@mikemazzantini6397dude ran his battery down well past 15% 😅

[@Fskelton]

Hey Dan. Thanks for the video. I thought 30% degregation was excessive and would be covered for a replacement pack under Tesla's battery warranty. (Obviously you know more about this than I do). Safe travels my guess would have been about 210 miles so I think you did very well. Safe travels!

[@Lerpzoid]

That's because he was going 70. The tests they do for the official numbers are driving at 50. He probably has a lot better range at 50

[@Timbolt116]

@@Lerpzoid but he still only used 72kw out of a 100kw battery so the degredation must be like 2% from a battery replacement

[@mh0Ang95]

@@Lerpzoid who drives 50 mph for highway? Lol

[@n1kkri]

@@Lerpzoid Who does 50 MPH on the highway?

[@KaceyGreen]

My 2018 P100D with the smaller wheels was supposed to have 289 miles new (they delivered it at 100%, and it showed 286); it's down to 89.9 kWh according to the BMS; the car claims it can do 246 slam-full. We did drive the new standard Model X; it is nice, but as you said, it wasn't nice enough to re-buy the car with our Cybertruck reservation getting close to converting to an order.

[@CryptoArena-pq5cz]

What's it getting now? I see used 2016/2017 model x p100d for like under 30k

[@KaceyGreen]

@@CryptoArena-pq5czit gets 246; we usually do 200, though, thanks to the number of stations. It's not worth the extra 30 minutes to get the last 46 miles. We almost took them up on the new one, but I can't justify two brand-new Teslas for one driver with us being next-morning reservation holders for Cybertruck.

[@dozer5069]

I have a 100D from 2019 and had a new battery under warranty after about 65k miles. No degradation before failure.. just died. Now back to 286 miles. :-)

[@weich1q2w]

My toyota camery is 21 years old. It has 295,000 miles, and it still get's 23-24mpg on avg with a range of 330-335 ish miles. Electric vehicles have a long way to go on battery tech until they surpass gas cars. Anyone (which includes elon since he has said it many times) that says range limitations aren't a thing are just flat out wrong

[@RemoteSpeed007]

In 5 years, buying a gas car will be too expensive, since production volume will be way down. On the other hand EV's will be much cheaper, you won't really have a choice.

[@rob3812]

How much have you spent in oil changes, maintenance and gas? $30k in gas at $2.50 per gal $6500 in oil changes if you do it every 3k miles. Plus you brake jobs every 50k miles. I am betting $39,000 spent in gas and maintenance plus the price of your car. Tesla you have zero oil changes and no gas. If you charge from home with that many miles you would have spent about $5000 in power bills. $600 in brake jobs. You get 100k miles before you do brakes.

[@silvy7394]

I know you're not intelligent enough, but everyone's already mentioned this is abnormal degradation for a battery and might be covered under warranty. Just going online shows most Teslas this old are around 85-90% health.

[@weich1q2w]

@@rob3812 At a per gallon cost of $3.09 for gas. My car costs me for gas, oil, filter (at current prices): $0.1358/mile. For context if I bought a tesla where I'm at my cost in electricity would be somewhere between $0.02 - 0.03/mile on average. You're right in that it doesn't need oil, but the brakes/other parts would be more expensive since it's a newer car most likely and doesn't have 3rd party stuff etc. The current cost of my car relative to me is $0, but throw in how much it's worth say $1k. A brand new tesla M3 at $44k (taxes, fees, also wouldn't get any discount). With current driving habits at about 300 miles per week (a rough guess) my car costs $40.74 per week. With the tesla at $0.03/mi that would be $9. However you would need to pay the loan. Most M3 loans would be at about $661/month without "gas savings" marking bs. So my car would be 40.74 * 4 = $162.96/month as it stands. The M3 as it stands would be $661 (loan) + $9 in electricity(4 weeks) = $697/month. In my case my car is by far cheaper, however if you compared it to a new car of the same price then it would make more sense. My original point was only that his car is a handful of years old, and the battery life is tanking like crazy. My car is about to be 22 years old and still gets 23-24mpg even though brand new it would get 24-25mpg. Which means the degradation in mpg is almost none, and by extension the range is the same as it was when it came out of the factory. Yes, burns some oil (at about 1 quart per 800-1000 miles but I have that cost factored in). Which also means it doesn't it's own oil change over time, and just have to replace the filter like once a year lol.

[@weich1q2w]

​@@silvy7394 A) No it's not abnormal wear on the battery B) No it wouldn't be under warranty C) You're talking to someone who would run laps around you physically and mentally. I have been following tesla for many years now, and know all of the in's and out's. Also know finance quite well and physics quite well. Here's an idea, put down the nachos bag and hit the gym. You're hands indicate you have a BMI that's likely >35 if not >40 D) The original point was that his battery is degrading rapidly and by extension so is his range. My gas car isn't because it's a gas car. Current battery tech simply can't sustain over the long term as it stands without major degradation. All of this should be factored into the cost, and no as of now the warranty doesn't cover it for someone like him. The reason why it doesn't is because Tesla would lose it's shirt if they covered it. Maybe in the future they will change up the tech and be able to cover it, but that's not today

[@koltongoebel]

Could you go through what your cost on maintenance/tires and any other repairs that have needed done to compare to a gas vehicle? This would be interesting to see how much just maintenance alone would save you?

[@MisterPo]

Interesting results! Any plans to follow up with the battery health test in Service Mode?

[@BasketballPro10]

I've got an older X; these models don't have battery health test in service mode. Quite a few options are not available for these pre-refresh X and S's

[@aseretto015]

I will love to see in the next few years your car, i always search for evs after 10 or 12 years in youtube, i love to see them how they keep up

[@Hiwinders]

My 2017 Model S 100D with 60,000 miles only had 5% battery degradation. I usually charged to 80% only going to 100% for roadtrips. and perhaps just one road trip a year where I supercharged.

[@052989adrian]

EQ line up for Mercedes have improved a lot I work on the dealership and I have driven all the variants from the cheaper to the top of the line and I have see the range goes from 212 to 350 miles depending the model

[@manuelight]

nah they have the worst efficiency out of all the popular evs

[@strykerace]

the reviews of the EQS that I have seen is that it is really really bad.

[@michaelriebandt6754]

Mercedes engineers some of best Gasoline powered engines in world.

[@marioescalona1640]

Thank you for the video. I think you missed on the opportunity to cover not only the range but the total lost capacity if you'd charge the battery from back from 0 to 100%. Perhaps you've a good case to claim the warranty!

[@Pressure165]

He did 72kWh from 100kWh that the car use to have.

[@marioescalona1640]

@@Pressure165 My point is that to find out what the actual capacity is you need to charge from 0 to 100%. You will not get that from driving the car from 100 to 0%.

[@morph-]

I'd like to see tesla bring out a more affordable and economical battery replacement service. I know they never will until the EU gets involved again, but I'd still like to see it.

[@webzterd]

Swappable batteries where the battery itself is no longer part of the car, but the price of your "fuel" meaning bad cells get taken out of circulation, recharging is as simple as an automated battery swap (meaning mere minutes for a 0-100%) and initial outlay is removed from the cost. It does however require manufacturers to agree to a common standard for battery shape & removal. Perhaps multiple modules allow you to choose larger to shorter range packs for different vehicles. Such common standards have happened before with cars, can happen again.

[@morph-]

@webzterd I don't mean as a replacement for recharging. I mean as a method to extend the lift of the car when the cells begin to lose their life. So the cells can be recycled, and the car body, motors, interior, etc can continue to be used as they are still in good condition and its not worth scrapping a car because the battery is tired.

[@morph-]

@webzterd another issue with this is that tesla has been and continues to use the apple ideology, forcing customers to go to proprietary repair shops rather than third parties.

[@tahaakhtar776]

Is it worth it? Like is charging this car cheap or adding gas to a sedan? And what about reliability

[@WillProwse]

Thats actually a really good result. Thats not 32% loss. You should get the tessie app and use the battery health option to see where your battery is currently at

[@jzila9900]

aww the tessie wessie app 😂😂

[@Delvin.S]

How much maintenance did you had to do in this model X since you bought it?

[@Gersberms]

I appreciate the honesty. 30% is a lot, I wonder if Tesla has updated the firmware to have a larger safety margin, that would be understandable.

[@ludicrousmodel3173]

Battery degradation depends on how you treat your car. I've had my model 3 since 2020 and I've only lost about 3% of the range, but then again that could be due to improved battery chemistry and technology since 2016 or 2017.

[@kevinromero9006]

What are you doing specifically to help better the life of your battery? I’m curious as a 2021 MY owner.

[@ludicrousmodel3173]

@@kevinromero9006 As far as I know, my model 3 has the 2170 cells. You're supposed to set your charge limit to 80%, so that's what I do as frequently setting the charge limit higher than that will wear the battery down quicker. I only use the model 3 for local commutes to work, I also try to avoid long drives and road trips where I'd need to supercharge. Frequent supercharging will wear down your battery faster. I keep my Tesla garaged which might also help. Another big factor in extending the longevity of the battery is living in colder climates. I live in western Canada which has a cold temperate climate, so that might extend battery life as well.

[@EarthyLee]

It really defeats the purpose of buying a EV car and drive it when you have to go out of the way to serve the car instead of letting it serve you. @@ludicrousmodel3173

[@phillipsusi1791]

My wife's 2016 MX 75D started with 220 miles of range and the last time we charged it all the way up, it still got to 215. We normally keep it between 100 and 180 at home.

[@phillipsusi1791]

@@ludicrousmodel3173 My wife's 2016 model X has the LiCoPo cells and they say to only charge it to 80-90% for daily use, so we have. My 2022 SR model 3 has the LiFePo cells and they say to charge it to 100% once a week.

[@hamwicbi1265]

I just bought a Tesla y and had the same question in my mind, appreciate your diligence to help answer this question about ageing EV’s

[@DonkeyKong57783]

I had a 2020 X and after 20 months and 49,000 miles, I lost 22 miles (Free Supercharger). From 328 to 308. Average 3 miles per kW. My current 2022 X was 348 range new and after 14 months and 20,000 miles, lost 20 miles from 348 to 328 and it dropped 16 of those 20 miles after 5,000 miles and a software update. Again, 3 miles per kW From 100kw battery, it now shows only 94kw capacity. Just wait till the Cybertruck shows up and gets ONLY 2.5 miles per kW. Waiting to trade my X for the Y when Elon gets the range Up

[@benjaminshuler9607]

@@DonkeyKong57783 the good news is theres an 8 year 120,000 miles warranty on the battery and drivetrain, so if it is 70% at that point, you can get it replaced under warranty

[@Mar-gv4eq]

At what % of degradation will Tesla replace the battery if still on warranty

[@staly23o]

I am surprised… I thought you would at least get 240 miles with even the wheels. You might have to try getting Tesla to do a warranty repair on your battery. I have 90D 2016 I am around 73 - 75 kilowatt hr left. Plus I feel I can better efficiency than that with the based wheels. Could also be topography. You should be able to use more battery than me that is my concern . 111k miles. Please anybody that read this like it so that he can see it.

[@christurbeville7230]

We have a 2016 X P90D we charge to about 220 max too - started near 295 those early X packs seem to loose range. My 2013 S P85 still can do 250 max with an A pack

[@phillipsusi1791]

My wife's 2016 75 D held 220 new and still seems to get up to 215, but we only charge it all the way when going on a road trip.

[@heller_nick]

What’s way more interesting besides the displayed range is how much kWh the battery is still able to hold. If it really is below 30% the battery should be covered under Tesla warranty since the car is not older than 8 years with mileage under 150,000. Most Tesla’s I’ve seen maintain about 90% of their battery capacity with the same amount of mileage.

[@mfhairstream6812]

I own Teslas and think of them as disposable cars, but I love them and very rarely drive any of my other cars. The FSD is incredible

[@gavinnorthants]

When I do a long drive I start off just over 70mph and end up at about 65mph with the trucks. It's just so much easier not constantly overtaking and pulling back in, as you need to look around. In the inside lan just follow the truck in front of you at a safe distance, and then you can relax and not worry about needing to break suddenly. You will arrive much fresher and what you lost on time will be recovered not needing to go to bed early.

[@GBR9794]

Currently still driving gas car. I wish doing that behind truck would increase mpg significantly without getting super close.

[@gavinnorthants]

Maybe have Google to find out, but personally, I would not worry as is not worth the risk and time. Unless you're really skint and need the money.@@GBR9794

[@thesmartguyy]

This was a great video! What is your plan when this car eventually needs a battery replacement? I would like to own a Tesla someday, but my only gripe is that the battery replacement cost will be way too much in comparison to the value of the car. I am the type to buy a car in cash and keep it for at least a decade.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

The cars effectively become disposable. The next gen of battery tech will be better, but the existing ones are doorstops at best. Just look at the second hand values of EV's.

[@shauryabharadwaj8620]

Hey Dan so after watching your video it is possible that you might be able to get a new battery pack due to the battery retention is less then 70 percent and it should be covered under warranty by Tesla.

[@CarGeek360]

Won’t Tesla replace your battery once it has less than 70% of the original battery life? Also I would highly recommend getting a new S or X even if you keep this one alongside it considering all those price drops.

[@silvy7394]

Yes but its around 72-75 right now.

[@CarGeek360]

@@silvy7394 ik that but if it gets below 70% like next year for say then Tesla will replace his battery free of charge

[@Steinegal]

No the old unlimited miles warranty has no percentage limit, this test is also a bit flawed as the higher consumption at 70mph leads to a higher heat loss in the battery so you would need to have the same test done with the fresh battery to actually calculate the loss.

[@CarGeek360]

@@Steinegal that makes more sense also Tesla is known to overinflate range figures by a bit

[@joaomatos14]

You have to calibrate the battery for sure, I have a smart eq that normally show 170km range but if I pass some time without charge to 100% start to show like 140/145km of range and then when I charge to 100% normally say that is completely charged and show 100% but I see in the app that is still pooling power for like 30/45 minutos

[@MrCg006]

Thought the warranty was 8 years or 120k miles for the drive/battery.

[@NICKSSHOP]

but you forgot one thing if your battery pack goes bad after your warranty is up that's $28,000 or more or a bit less to replace the battery pack out of your own pocket

[@isaacinmon4086]

Not near that much. And only happens 10 percent or less of the time and they have warranties you can buy for 3500 that warranty it up to 250k miles if you are worried about it.

[@NICKSSHOP]

@@isaacinmon4086 you need to do your research buddy and I said if your warranty is up learn to read

[@isaacinmon4086]

@NICKSSHOP no you need to read. You can purchase another warranty thru a 3rd party company once the original is up... and a new battery is 10-20k, not 28k+

[@cr83d]

@@isaacinmon4086what third party warranty? Tesla motors club forums search indicates there’s only one reputable one and it doesn’t warranty that far…

[@diggindude1]

funny, you guys say the new battery costs between 11,000, and 30,000...🤣

[@savagecub]

Wait, wait…..he has a 75k car but rents his house ? Millennial priorities are amazing sometimes !

[@FlameRock16]

Oh gosh I haven't realised you have another channel, I was starting to get afraid that you disappeared.. :D Amazing channel, keep up the good work the vibes are GREAT!!

[@DanielGarcia-zz9eg]

if you planning on keeping it, when you planning to drop that 10k to 20k for a new battery and are you ready for that time or will you just trade it in for a new Tesla, especially since price has dropped a lot since 2017?

[@Nvmmango]

Dan you got lucky buying the 2017 model x because the 2016 and 2018 didn’t have the 100D the top trim was the P90D they only did the 100D for the first time in the 2017 then went back to the 90D in 2018

[@tristanhurlebaus3109]

Curious if the 4680 cells have less battery degradation over time then the old ones

[@metubeglvz]

it will likely be the same. battery chemistry doesn't change, just the form factor and power density

[@ryansmithc]

@@metubeglvz 4680 have better heat dissipation and shorter travel distance.

[@silvy7394]

They do.

[@patricklee7888]

The 72.3 kWh is how much you used driving, not everything else that you also need to power the car. Also, you mentioned it as well, you never really get 295 so I wouldn't call it a 30% range loss. I think that is partially why people are so scared of EVs.

[@greggillespie4557]

The high voltage pack doesn’t power the other features on the car. There is a separate 12 V battery that runs the rest of the systems. So that number is correct for energy expended, for driving.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

Yes, because they really, really do degrade. A second hand EV (of any brand) is a doorstop, more and more people are finding they actually degrade, and are actually difficult to repair or replace the battery. Note that performance wouldn't trigger a new battery install based on the Tesla guarantee.

[@markpetty9206]

Having a range less than 250 miles is pushing it on the comfort zone. Less than 200 miles and it's going For Sale quick.

[@looncraz]

@@greggillespie4557 The 12V battery is charged by the high voltage battery. The BMS measures ALL energy that comes out of the HV battery, so it's telling you exactly how much energy was used correctly for any purpose... plugging in a laptop will increase the power used.

[@LordLoMR2]

My model 3 only has 7% degradation after 5 years and 90k miles. I was hoping I’d be closer to 30+% so I could get a new battery. 😂

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

ICE manufacturers (at least the German ones) aim to meet their specs at the 5 year point. EV's, not so much.

[@HamsterHeeftLol]

you might want to go to a dealer and ask them to check the soh (state of health) of the battery couse if it falls below 70% in the warranty period it should be covered in the warranty and they should give you a new battery

[@pawanusa]

The battery has not degraded 30% here. Your estimated range now is 240. If you do 240/295. Thats 81% so, you have lost 19% capacity. You cannot divide actual range now by the estimate when you bought it newly. You have to divide the estimated range which shows up in tesla. Even with brand new battery, you would’ve gotten significantly less than 295.

[@epdm2be620]

No his real range was +202 miles. What a car displays in it's display isn't true. Not to mention that he drove max. 70 mph in ideal conditions. When driven like a normal person would it's real range would be 150 miles I guess.

[@dontworrybehappy523]

Would be interesting to know the maintenance cost over the 7 years

[@chags3512]

Probably less than $5,000 including tires

[@snow-uq4gx]

​@chags3512 well not on model s u have to replace tires every 5k miles🤢🤮

[@chags3512]

@@snow-uq4gx lol if you mash the accelerator all the time maybe.

[@snow-uq4gx]

@chags3512 nope do your research a guy with a plaid has a channel showing this flaw💩 the car is too heavy for the Chasey..has nothing 2 do with speed🙄

[@chags3512]

@@snow-uq4gx hmmm. I replaced my model 3 tires at 24,000 miles. I suppose it’s not impossible a plaid would need them at 5,000 miles. However, I’d imagine that’s a unique situation and not the average.

[@AndrewLakebrink-cz2vl]

There should be a battery replacement and recycling program. After so many years or percentage of battery degradation you'd be eligible, for a fee of course. What we really need is better battery tech to really make EVs worth it. I don't need or want to have the fastest car off the line. I'll gladly take a worse 0-60 for more range.

[@d.pollard5962]

They won't do it, they want you to buy a new one. Not take care of the body and get replacement batteries. I thought that was how I was gonna keep mine but After 10 years no more flash upgrades so the cars days are numbered but I hate change and hopefully will find new batteries on some black market in Massachusetts someday.😂

[@LJLion]

There would definitely be a market for recycled battery replacement for people who are willing to keep their cars beyond the warranty. As these cars age, companies that venture in this business would make a fortune

[@H.K_R]

Once that battery is out of warranty, it’s a ticking time bomb as they’ll write off the car immediately as the cost of the battery and fitting costs will at least cost 60% of the value of the car. I’d ditch it.

[@nicka.2766]

Hey Dan - any reason you don’t look at battery replacement? The mechanics will still be the same but at least, you would have a new battery, fresh long range again. I personally prefer the previous integrated screen you have over the new ones. But thanks for the video!

[@jaynedcorp]

Just traded in my 2018 model X. Tesla offered me free charging transfer to the new car with 32k trade in value. Now I have better range, faster charging time, better sound system, less noise, better suspension, better infotainment front and rear. fixed all of my previous problem with wing door sensors. No regrets!

[@robo21345]

Also Tesla newer battery pack are know to last much longer and retain its range of with proper maintenance. You’ll be surprised how Tesla batteries have advanced

[@phillipsusi1791]

My wife's 2016 MX75D had 220 miles new. The last time we charged it to 100% it got to 215. We normally keep it between 100 and 180 around town.

[@OrbitwashereLOL]

Who here is og?

[@L1ft0ff]

It might be worth looking into Teslas warranty. 30% degradation might be covered.

[@__Ben]

Tesla warranty is 8 years or 100k miles whichever comes first so they're over that anyway.

[@matteocomelli9587]

@@__Ben Early Model S/X had 8 years unlimited mileage warranty on pack and motors, my late 2019 Model X has this, and even newer Model S/X's have a 8 year/150,000mi warranty period

[@keegan773]

The fuel tank in my VW Diesel Golf Estate does not get smaller year by year.

[@diggindude1]

it still costs twice as much to drive

[@user713Blvd]

Thanks for sharing. For my personal opinion, EV is great for 1st owners because they will get all benefits such as tax credit, warranty cover, better battery capacity/MPG, insurance, battery life, and etc. BUT the next owners are very suffer because lack of benefits that i mentioned. In addition, the fix EV cost or battery are so expensive, didn't even hold the valve, and etc.

[@Asheface11]

I've got a 2017 x p100d with around 80k miles and it will sill do 220 miles with 22" turbines as long as I stick to 65-75 mph on the highway and its not super hot or cold. The only real way to determine range is to drive a round trip to and from a destination that consumes most of the battery. The reason for this is because whatever elevation changes you experience will average out which can make a huge difference. For instance if I go from denver to a little town called georgetown my range drops from 100 to to 50% in roughly 60 miles. Using that as a guide, I'd only get to go 120 miles per charge! But if I turn around and go back the same 60 miles, I make it back to the starting point with 40-45% because its all downhill. One time I was coming back late from Colorado springs to Denver and only had 25% and didn't want to stop to charge so I stayed at 55mph and made it back with 5% remaining...it was a 70 mile trip using only 20% because I "hypermile'd" it a little. Although I haven't done it, I imagine if I drove 55 mph for 130 miles then the same back, I'd probably get close to the original 289 miles the car was rated at.

[@shahriarlabib000]

0:13 *2017 WAS SEVEN YEARS AGO ????!!!*

[@PrettySigma420]

What happened to the ten things we won’t miss in our dream house

[@soumyonath911]

I was about to comment the same, had the video in my watch later but couldn’t find it again

[@PrettySigma420]

Fr though

[@thomasschlund]

[@sophie-ny3nj]

There are many interesting stocks in many industries that you might follow. You don't have to act on every forecast, so I'll suggest that you work with a financial advisor who can help you choose the best times to purchase and sell the shares or ETFs you want to acquire

[@inman586]

You should know it's easy and hard to make that much profit. I say EASY because it's very possible to make that much, and Hard because you'll need professional assistance to do it, I'd suggest you get assisted by a market advisor.

[@gadopilo]

After I raised up to 325k trading with him I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my son's surgery (Oscar). Glory to God.shalom..

[@Zachs-]

Indeed, most people downplay the roles of financial planners until burnt by their mistakes. productivity is optimized and keeping up to date strategies and analysis makes it more lucrative. I've been able to navigate the volatilities and scaled up 760k from 180k with professional guidance

[@mohmmedtolba]

I am surprised that this name is being mentioned here, I stumbled upon some of his clients testimonies on CNBC news last week..

[@tjadventures]

I love how your wife thinks. We (as in people who can afford them, not necessarily me😅) pay so much for new cars, they should still be reliable in over 5 years. The mentality that a cars life is 5 years sounds rubbish to me and I think if the world would really be interested in this worlds health, we should reduce consumerism and hold on to older stuff, that shouldn’t die sooner through updates or planned obsolescence, or even refurbish stuff instead of replacing it with new stuff, where possible. Nice video, thank you!

[@WayApp]

Even more excited about future

[@KevinJones-Peacefreak]

I can't help but to wonder if one of the Battery repair guys, like Gruber Motors or Electrified Garage, could recondition your old batter pack to increase longevity without hitting a need for repair. Probably a cell or two are causing losses from the entire pack. If they could replace those cells, you might be sweet for a while. Just a thought.

[@markpetty9206]

That's expensive labor to remove the pack and open it up for individual cell inspection.

[@KevinJones-Peacefreak]

@@markpetty9206 I think that I have seen these guys repair non-working batteries for under $8K instead of the quoted replacements from Tesla, who would not repair the current one for the owners. Just a thought, but may be worth reaching out for quotes.

[@reiniernn9071]

I'm wondering if that 295 miles original also was with 70 mph. Next I want to know if Las Vegas is at the same level NAP (every 100M climbing takes about 3 miles from the range...unless you get that back by descending later on without braking.

[@chmax73]

Very interesting, I have a MS 100D that is also 7 years old and, after 160'000 km still can deliver 500km (in summer) or 450km in winter. According to the BMS, I've lost only 6% of capacity. I charged 70% at SuC (free SuC) and the rest at home (11kW). Do you have a module that is faulty? I think is worth just let's check it. We have a great non-Tesla garage that does all these checks and works in Switzerland.

[@jim3578]

The Stats App will do a good job of tracking battery health and many other stats on your Tesla. We have a 2023 Model Y, but thinking about the X for the extra seating.

[@grizbizusa]

Here's my comment. First off, thanks for posting this video. We are driving my brother-in-law's 2018 model X - it looks just like yours. It's a 100D as well. He for it new and I've put about 4,500 miles on it. Brother-in-law can't drive now - unfortunately in assisted living. He only had 23,000 miles on it last year - then I put 4,500 miles on it, so it now has 27,700 miles. Low miles for a 6-year-old car, I think. I live in Montana and drive it to Wyoming to help my brother-in-law. Wide open spaces, not many superchargers (but so far, no problems getting to chargers). I'm not running it to a full charge on long trips - usually about 96% or so. Then fighting a lot of headwind, I can comfortably get to the next supercharger with maybe 50 miles range left. My question for you -- any experience pulling a trailer with the 100D? We will need to bring a few pieces of my brother-in-law's furniture up here from Wyoming and considering using a small U-HAUL. The scarcity of superchargers here (more coming, but that's the future) make me get "range anxiety," particularly when the Wyoming winds blow against me! [but the wind does turn a LOT of those big turbines to generate electricity if I could get to it!]

[@WilliamFiler]

Called an inversion layer when the ceiling traps pollution, Reno gets the same at times.

[@aaeshaaa5410]

only that second I'm gonna cry 😢❤. I love the Tesla model x 😢❤

[@YoungEagles-om7mi]

Thanks for your real-world stats. I typically put 250,000 miles on my vehicles before selling them. In all cases the Miles per Gallons goes down considerably over time, even though I do regular maintenance. 2006 MiniVan New 28MPG now less than 18MPG. 2019 Prius Prime New 53MPG now 49MPG. I think your numbers are encouraging. Next couple of years hope to Buy a Tesla.

[@ptsmonvideo]

I don’t know what is happening to your petrol engines but my 2015 MX5 still does the same mileage as when it was new.

[@bigman-jm5mf]

I’m not the biggest Tesla fan. I still drive a 21 year old suburban with almost 300k miles. However I have to admit 7 years, 100k miles and still get that range pushing it to the limits isn’t bad.

[@wgs256614]

Your original milage was 294 or so EPA. You have now 240 EPA so you haven't lost 32% as I see it. Great video as always.