Wheel of Time DESTRUCTION CONTINUES In Season 2 - Rafe Judkins at JordanCon

[@ultrademigod]

I have no idea what to expect from Wheel of Time season 2, because they haven't made Wheel of Time season 1 yet.

[@disparutoo]

lmao not where I expected this comment to go when I read the first bit 😂

[@Donnyq22]

Amen brother

[@Leonnie13]

I decided to read the book for the first time when season 1 came out. It wasn’t long before I stopped watching the show and continued on with the book.

[@BuildTestSend]

So damn true

[@whisped8145]

Very well put.

[@lordravenblade]

The physical description of the Aiel and how different but monolithic they are from everyone else is also an important clue for the origins of a certain character...

[@benjamintherogue2421]

That takes thinking. Which is effort. Which is beyond the scope of these ideologues.

[@suepedie1]

Oh! You mean the most important character?

[@Degarth]

@@suepedie1 in the show the most important character is.....Rafe it seems because he wrote himself in to every major character.

[@lamezorlord]

In the books sure. The series kinda shits on that. Made it really comical when Rand meets Loial the first time and they use the book phrase "you look like an Aielman" (or something to that effect). How can you tell Loial? Coz, Rand literally walked past a whole bunch of tall gingers just to get to the same inn as you. So it sure as hell wasn't the physical look. Eugh. The whole show is like this. Almost entirely departed from the source material in the worst way, but paradoxically keeping true to odd snippets here and there.

[@lordravenblade]

@@lamezorlord that’s exactly my point.

[@BestnameIcanThinkof89]

“The only time I care about what anyone does with their genitals is if they’re pointing them at mine.” I died laughing at that 🤣

[@linus116]

Lol he’s not wrong

[@nathanmorgan3647]

Went to the restaurant. Menu had fish tacos, so I ordered them. Food finally came out. Was given a plate of old spaghetti with stale, moldy bread. Complained to manager. Was told I was racist and to GTFO and never come back. The Amazon WoT experience in a nutshell.

[@wheelhouse15]

Pretty much, if white actors playing roles outside their race is called white washing then this is black washing. Suiane had piercing blue eyes, as did Lan, Padan Fain was pale, and the Aiel were Irish. I'm just surprised that Rand wasn't some 5'2" half asian half black woman.

[@texasbeast239]

If you go in for fish tacos, you don't want someone telling you to stuff meatballs in your mouth...

[@kawperlacayo1060]

You have the worst luck with restaurants.

[@kawperlacayo1060]

@@texasbeast239 I do. ;)

[@texasbeast239]

@@kawperlacayo1060 Well, have at it. Might want to ask the OP for directions to that restaurant...

[@rio20d]

Jordan: I am sick of Amazon, look what they did to my WoT Tolkien: yeah I can relate to that.... they did the same to my precious.

[@AdderTude]

I've only finished the first book and already Judkins is pissing me off with all the changes he made to the story.

[@Nemspy]

I'm 10000% times less bothered about the upcoming LOTR-universe show because it's -- essentially -- new content and at best is based on appendices.

[@mathr719]

@@Nemspy ... It's also twisting and rewriting story of Akallabêth and Unfinished Tales. It's rewriting history of Hobbit, and Lord of the Rings. The plot was pretty well described, and Amazon is messing up everything. So there's a lot of reasons to be bothered about that too.

[@sorush6735]

Omg 😂😂😂😂😂

[@lucasjoyce7556]

@@mathr719 yes that's right i have read silmarillion many times over, it's one of my fav book, and WoT was my great interest, how the F amazon F this up? money and A--hole Jeff Bezos whine and cry for moolah over his dream moon land to Musk. i hated his gut. those writer spend years to make great stories just to get sh-t on.

[@Lttlemoi]

The only thing I'm looking forward to in a season two are the multi-hour response videos from the Knights Watch and you.

[@s.g.3898]

And that was BEFORE Oz had even read the books. Stand by for S2 shenanigan's lol

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

This is one of those shows (sadly) where I much prefer seeing the show get ROASTED... than seeing the actual show.

[@chadwhitfield6946]

Originally I was like "fuck Shad, he's overreacting and being a dick" but after 3rd episode was "I think I owe Shad an apology".

[@Trenjeska]

I wish the Knights Watch videos were a bit shorter, because they DO do good work, but it sometimes drags on a bit too much.

[@connorgregory5625]

and that's the irony isn't it? All of you are still going to watch it and give them your money. If it's so bad, then stop watching it.

[@argosleuf]

Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave over this TV show.

[@Tony-hv8wz]

Just like Tolkien and the upcoming rings of power

[@johnshite4656]

Robert Jordan used to complain about the COVERS on his books, saying that they weren't accurate. He and his wife would try contacting the artist directly to get edits made. Can you imagine his reaction to this trainwreck?? He'd shoot himself in the damn head.

[@slivven]

About 10 min in to the first episode my wife made the joke that the wheel of time is now powered by the spinning of RJ in his grave

[@sidartonline7051]

Shows so bad that it brought new reader to the books so it's a win

[@Tony-hv8wz]

@@sidartonline7051 I picked up the first book myself because of all this.

[@justthinkingoutloud2538]

“The light at the end of the tunnel is just an oncoming train.” I haven’t laughed so hard in so long! Thank you!

[@s.g.3898]

It's an old British phrase but a good one

[@Astropeleki]

@@s.g.3898 I live in Britain and never heard it. Will definitely start using it now 😆

[@0goatman087]

I have never heard Rafe Judkins speak, or never saw his way of talking, but now that I saw it, it explains everything regarding the show and its quality.

[@DSKekaha]

I have noticed that human males who develop this accent usually share a lot of similar traits/values. Hearing a human male talking in this accent causes a physical reaction in me. I leave that open to interpretation so that no one can pretend to be offended.

[@Manta_GTJ]

I was gonna say the same lmao

[@0heck]

Rafe is a male feminist....which by default are always over the top on every feminist metric. Such a popular IP and they put armature activists in charge of its production. What could go wrong..

[@0goatman087]

@@0heck And they did it twice man! Nobody is perfect, but they must be a special type of stupid to refuse to learn from their mistakes.

[@jeebus2121]

Every answer he gave was borderline a caricature of the most obvious answer someone of his persuasion could give.

[@thatnobodyguy1535]

"We wanted to stay as true to the books as possible." Blood & Bloody Ashes you did.

[@D3voidofsoul]

To be fair the did not say WHICH books they were staying true too. I mean sure its implied to be WoT but they don't actually say that.

[@ActionMan153]

That phrase was said only once in the show, which is crap because Rand says it a bunch.

[@Paradoxthewise7866]

burn me that was an excellent comment. the light burn me.

[@scavone72]

Mother’s milk in a cup! These flaming bloody showrunners are the dark one’s eyes. Fortune prick me they are.

[@georgezuniga6298]

pssh wetlanders.

[@davespringer777]

Every conversation, every landscape, every city building down to the texture of brick is already written down. The writers for the show didn't have to do anything. Their arrogance, needing to put their mark, their narrative, their world view, is heresy. "Remember that thing you loved? Well, we kept the name." -modern showrunners

[@BigDaddyJinx]

Exactly, OP. All they need do is take words off a page and put them on a screen. All the heavy lifting has been done already. You're right to call it arrogance because it's driven by agenda pushing. If I ever had an IP worth selling, I'd be sure to put in the contract that I have creative control over that IP that I created to ensure it doesn't get the woke treatment.

[@nevyn_karres]

Yeah just look at the bullshiat they made of the White Tower, more like the Small Knob.

[@connorgregory5625]

if you think every single detail of the books could be transferred to a show with a perfect 1:1 ratio then you literally didn't read and/or comprehend the books.

[@davespringer777]

@@connorgregory5625 i didn't say they had to use it all. They just didnt need to make anything up.

[@darthgamer9861]

@@connorgregory5625 what an absolute disingenuous take

[@Jeromad]

I've read only one book, it wasn't for me. But I truly feel for the fans. I'm getting my comeuppance though once Rings of Power releases.

[@davespringer777]

I didn't find my stride until the great hunt. It felt like the end of Eye of the world is where the excitement started and the great hunt continued. So much happens. I can totally see why people fall off halfway through Eye of the world though. I still can't get my wife interested in wheel of time, and I've been trying for almost 20 years. I love it though. I refuse to watch the show. I knew before it started. You just can't count on faithful (or even semi-faithful) adaptations these days.

[@DonBakke]

You meant "The Rings of Prime" 😉

[@Jeromad]

@@davespringer777 Great to see you enjoy the series so much. As for me, I struggled throughout the first novel and then finding out there were 10+ more novels I knew this wasn't my jam. By the way, I think you made a smart decision to not watch the show (as I will once the Lord of the Rings show premieres).

[@haplozetetic9519]

@@Jeromad Too bad. The first book barely *begins* to hint at the incredible story that unfolds, but to each their own.

[@disparutoo]

Yes Wheel of Time is the practice run for Rings of Power. Even the marketing strategy was the same, getting fan sites/youtubers on board with access etc. It was just done on a larger scale.

[@russjcameo]

I find it hard to believe Robert Jordan's fans as a whole will tolerate this travesty.

[@stephenstevens6573]

We won't

[@nathanmorgan3647]

Into the shadow of Amazon with teeth bared, screaming defiance and spitting in Defiler Junkin's eye until the last day when Shadozon cancels and slinks back to Shayol Ghul from whence it came.

[@Degarth]

They aren't as legion as Tolkien fans. Sadly.

[@mattmatthewmatchuu]

I would regret to say a large portion if not the majority are just happy with WoT "content" and will watch this trash regardless. However fortunately no one else likes it so it shouldnt make it long

[@robwalsh9843]

The general consensus is a thumbs down. Most WoT content creators didn't like it. The ones who do "like" it were likely handed checks by Amazon. I knew it was going to be bad, but I had no idea it would be this bad.

[@oldkingspook]

I'm not a fan of WoT, but I have watched many of my favorite franchises be burnt alive, so I empathize with the agony. The way they talk about this reminds me of how they've addressed the rings of power which fills me with all the more dread for September.

[@D3voidofsoul]

They seem to be trying to wreck as many of our favorite books as possible. The fact that all these directors and writers think they can "improve" great works like WoT and LoTR is insane.

[@disparutoo]

Wheel of Time is why I started covering Rings of Power in the first place. Because I knew what they had done, and would do again. Especially when they started talking about following the bits of lore. They had PRECISE lore here for every second and threw it all out. So the empathy definitely goes both ways. Stand in defence of all IP's, especially if the creator isn't around to do it themselves.

[@AdderTude]

@@disparutoo Amazon makes some really weird decisions for TV shows. They score great hits with shows like The Expanse and Reacher, and then turn around and make total duds like The Wheel of Time and The Rings of Power in order to push (from Will Jordan, The Critical Drinker) *T H E M E S S A G E* which primarily appeals to viewers who have never read the source material and are not even fans of the respective franchises.

[@scambammer6102]

@@AdderTude expanse is frickin awesome

[@AdderTude]

@@scambammer6102 It's largely because the authors of the books (Ty Franck and David Abraham) wrote the overwhelming majority of the episodes. It's a shame that their contract with Amazon ran out and they finished the series after Babylon's Ashes, with three books left un-adapted.

[@lynnm6413]

I really thought that they cast Aviendha when I saw the actress for Elaine…so why not cast a more blonde actress for Elaine, cast her as Aviendha and be so much closer to the actual characters? Choosing a POC actress for an Aiel even goes against the TV-Series established world building, because Rand is mistaken as an Aiel…not Perrin. So what absolutely disgusts me is when they change things from the books, but forget to follow through, … like with Perrin killing his (non-existent) wife and then just failing to address any trauma because….the writers forgot about it and just followed the books. How can you fail to see that race swapping almost HALF the characters makes it really hard to establish ethnic groups from certain regions?! That‘s so important for the world of WOT that you can look at someone and basically place them near to their place of origin….but no, if you make every place ‚diverse‘, then you loose all of these separate identities, which is exactly the opposite of what your message should be…yes, everyone has equal rights, but they are not all the same…that is boring. Anybody find it hilarious to hear about the ‚blood of Manetheren‘ when you have a black dude, a black girl, an Indian chick, and two white dudes riding with Moraine? They obviously do not have the same heritage going back only a few generations.

[@FJaypewpew]

And moraine herself not being a shorty, though the casting is great, it doesn’t bode well for when we have a mixture of races or cultures or whatever They’ll just be reduced to the clothes they wear not their stature or defining features of hair and eyes

[@francesccampos1343]

I swear that i almost chocked when i saw this Egwene and Nyaneve for the first time... They should erase any image of them to avoid corrupting any new reader that looks for references because they are nothing alike and much less the series as a whole. The problem lays in that they marketed this as an ADAPTATION not a remake or alternate timeline of the series, but they know nobody would have watched a pathetic fanfic of an amateur director like Rafe, who is a nobody, and i highly doubt he ever read the books in the first place because some of the mistakes made in the 1st seasson are way too basic for anyone who has read it.

[@Peteruspl]

"to establish ethnic groups" - this is haram. In XXI TV every village has to look like London.

[@Guardian582]

@@FJaypewpew and wasnt Siuan supposed to be shorter, if not Moiraine-short as well?...i didnt get to Tar Valon myself(as none of the 'heroes' should have but i digress) but i have seen clips and spoilers(thankfully) so i dont have to

[@trirain146]

Elayne as well as Morgase as well as any other of House Trakand gave red gold hair. Not blonde, period.

[@justthinkingoutloud2538]

Oh my gosh, they have no shame. They know full well what they’re doing and they’re proud of it! They seriously think they’re improving the material by cramming their own filth into it at the expense of the actual story! It couldn’t be more clear how little they care about Robert Jordan’s work and I don’t know how long Brandon Sanderson can pretend not to notice.

[@johnshite4656]

The new term for it is "hate fiction." It's like fan fiction, except that it's clear the writer hates the source material.

[@gilian2587]

Recall Starship Troopers, the movie; the director admitted that he hated the book.

[@dahhmlife]

Brandon Sanderson did his fair share of the same. The characters in the show are closer to Sanderson's versions of them than RJ's. Let's face it. The last two books were a cluster f***.

[@coryjorgensen4648]

@@dahhmlife I felt like Brandon Sanderson at least tried to get it right. He did struggle with Mat's voice, especially in TGS, but I never felt like it was a deliberate effort to "improve" the characters. Rafe is deliberately, openly, and unapologetically rewriting the characters to his own liking. Not to mention abandoning the central themes and lore of the books.

[@dahhmlife]

@@coryjorgensen4648 True. Sanderson may have "respectfully" done it his way, (He made a few lore changes as well) but Rafe is pulling anything out of thin air to fit what he wants to see.

[@quij7ote222]

I saw the first season of WOT without having read a single book. After seeing your reviews I decided to read the books. I couldn't believe that the tv show was based on the books. They are almost nothing alike. Great characters mean everything yet Amazon has decided to create new, bland, mostly mediocre characters and title their plot WOT. This is the worst example I've seen yet of taking a known series and completely changing all that makes it charming, intense, significant and interesting yet still titling it the same as its original inspiration These folks who think the most interesting thing about a character, especially an heroic one, is their sexuality need to be run out of "entertainment." Yes, sexual relations can be used to explore character, but that's not what these folks do. (They'd need creativity and a little effort. They wave a big banner in your face, call it character development, and job finished.) It's certainly not what the books do because they're interested in something else, something these Amazon goobers will never understand.

[@digishade7583]

If you want another example of things being crappily changed compare the Percy Jackson books and movies that’s another one that got screwed over not by wokeness mind you but yeah

[@eziop5539]

"This is the worst example I've seen yet of taking a known series and completely changing all that makes it charming, intense, significant and interesting yet still titling it the same as its original inspiration" lol, Rings of Power? :D But yes, what they've done with Wheel of Time, it's like vandalism honestly. It should be illegal.

[@lamezorlord]

It wouldn't be as awful if the WoT wasn't also an incredibly progressive fantasy to begin with. Not knowing how much you've read, I don't want to spoil things, but it is a very good example of having a massive diversity in major characters by race, gender and even sexual identity. It just wasn't enough for the showrunners who think they can do better despite being unaccomplished hacks

[@onestepcloser5925]

@@lamezorlord Exactly! I would have thought they would be happy presenting the book as is.

[@quij7ote222]

@@lamezorlord I'm not finished but I agree that early on in the books it is clear that you have all the girl power you need. The "races" of people are diverse and equal within the meaning of this fantasy world. I don't know about the sexuality part, but as I said emphasizing their sexuality would not explain the characters' heroism nor say anything revelatory about heroism. And, the male/female power balance being out of kilter resulting in the resurrection of evil is a thrilling topic the series threw out with the garbage yet has something much more important to say in a heroic work than shallow "wokism."

[@whisky3k]

I find it hilarious that the Liandrin actress mentioned the whole Aes Sedai High thing, because fans brought up exactly that to describe how the show failed spectacularly at presenting the politics of WOT in a believable and authentic manner. It wasn't an "alternative streaming version" - Mean Girls at Aes Sedai High was exactly what we got.

[@wilhufftarkin5852]

Aes Sedai high?

[@nobodylistens3930]

This is the first time I've seen Judkins speak and as soon as he did, it *ALL* made sense.

[@Garaphon]

I wish it didn't make me feel like a bad person for thinking the same 🤣

[@myrahn6474]

@@Garaphon You are a bad person.

[@scambammer6102]

sanctimonious little twit

[@gizzad]

100!

[@gizzad]

@@Garaphon dude me too

[@PunxsutawneyDave]

I've always wondered about this insane approach to rewriting a beloved franchise. The books will remain bright stars in the imagination of their fans whereas the tv series will be forgotten as soon as it's done and no one, not even its "fans", will remember it when its gone. So these people corrupting legendary stories are making things that won't be sought out and held up as examples of story telling done right. They are literally here today and gone tomorrow. Personally if I were doing something like this I'd want to have a well regarded legacy. Not some disposable garbage.

[@johnshite4656]

I'm sure Rafe will reminisce fondly on the show even while on his death bed. He'll be the Number One Fan. All his friends and family will be like, "Yeah Rafe.... it's kinda cool I guess." Not wanting to hurt his feelings. But when he's not around they'll talk amongst themselves about how it's not very good and how Rafe wasn't a great writer and how no one even remembers it except him. Then maybe he'll overhear their conversation one day and feel super sad, realizing at last what we saw all along. I know this type of person, they are myopic beyond belief. If a loved one isn't shouting it in their face they will just dismiss negative reviews as the critics being wrong and stupid, and won't even bother listening. I believe the condition is called NPD, Narcissistic Personality Disorder. A MUST-HAVE in the film and TV industries.

[@gilian2587]

@@johnshite4656 Rafe Judkins will be the future William Shatner.

[@johnshite4656]

@@gilian2587 Except William Shatner actually played Captain Kirk and did a good job of it, to the point where he's iconic. Not sure what you're trying to suggest here.

[@gilian2587]

@@johnshite4656 Remember who directed Star Trek 5?

[@johnshite4656]

@@gilian2587 LoL. Oh, Shatner directed the whale thing? Yeah that movie was godawful.

[@MajorSmurf]

So let me get this straight. Their whole basis for relationship changes is either that the author never indicted any kind of relationship or he might have slightly hinted at it if we squint our eyes or they just said fuck it and changed the words to twist it into being a relationship they wanted to force in. Like look if you want characters like that then the writer of this series is more than welcome to go off and create their own fantasy world but hey that would require creativity and actual hard work. However after seeing how bad the writing/story was in S1 they put in about as much hard work and effort as a teenager working at McDonalds.

[@RanMouri82]

"the author never indicted any kind of relationship or he might have slightly hinted at it if we squint our eyes" The basis of all non-canon ships ever.

[@therusn8r10]

But then they created a character (ie Perrins wife) to give him an arc. THAT told me all I needed to know.

[@makoygaara]

@@RanMouri82 Foresaken showrunner is capitalizing on the "pillow friends".

[@pthomas1967]

Sadly, you’ve described the comics industry for the last 20-25 years. Too lazy to create new characters, so just retcon established popular ones to insert their own twisted ideas.

[@therusn8r10]

@@pthomas1967 and Marvel wonders how it lost the rights to Conan.

[@calmrelaxation8278]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I thought I was losing my mind, being, seemingly, the only one who could see that what is called the Wheel of Time on Amazon is something else! I can't even watch season 2. I start to watch and just get bogged down with disbelief and incredulity at the sheer hubris and lack of respect to the time and effort Robert Jordan put into his books. I have loved this series since I picked up a copy of "The Path of Daggers", (the first WoT book I ever read, before backtracking the whole story). There is no artistic integrity or respect for the source material; this thing they call wheel of time should be called something else, because it certainly is NOT The Wheel of Time!

[@ericbrown8974]

I am convinced that the TV series will end with a voice booming “I have won again Lews Therin,” and the three boys waking up outside a portal stone outside Falme.

[@hannaclay]

I about died!! This is hilarious! FLICKER FLICKER FLICKER...

[@jacobdad2742]

Thank you so much for sticking up for Jordan's work and all of us fans who love the books instead of selling out like so many puffs on KZbin who pretend like this show is even remotely similar to the wot series. I for one, really appreciate what you're doing here. So again i say, thank you disparu!!! I'm also really curious what Mr. Rigney jr. Would think of this show.

[@adem789]

I've thankfully not wached this series, nor had I heard of the books. Hearing the fans vehement hatred of this Amazon project has inspired me to buy the first book. Bit of an odd reason to buy but as a Tolkien fan I feel your pain.

[@winxclubflora8446]

Ikr exact same happened with me i bought the books cause of the hate for these series.but i am a lotr fan and amazon is destroying that adaptation

[@johnshite4656]

I read the books when I was younger and after this show I picked them up again. Honestly the books have a lot of problems too... but different kinds of problems. The show just makes a mockery of the books and changes as much as possible while keeping names the same. If Rafe rewrote Lord of the Rings it would become a tense Rom Com about how Frodo and Samwise can't seem to catch a break, every time they try to get into "the ring" Smeagol shows up and wants to join in, but they can't because Smeagol likes anal stuff, and they just want to cuddle-fuck. They try to enlist Gandalf to distract Smeagol without hurting his feelings, but even Gandalf's makeover magic isn't enough to make Smeagol appealing to the Hobbits. The whole thing would be about homoerotic tension. Also, Aragon would definitely be a woman.

[@adem789]

@@johnshite4656 That bad? I'm definitely not watching WOT. As I've got the first book I don't want to spoil it.

[@johnshite4656]

@@adem789 If you do end up watching the show make sure to give it an honest review. I don't want them to have the satisfaction of more views and positive or no reviews, a viewing should be accompanied by some criticism. I gave it 1 star.

[@adem789]

@@johnshite4656 No, I'm not watching it,though I'd like to give it 1 star, but I want to read the book with an unsullied mind.

[@grotewobbo]

This is the 1st time I actually hear Judkins speak. Its mind boggling they made the decision at Amazon this guy was the best choice.

[@disparutoo]

This was the best guy to make the show they wanted to make. Not to make Wheel of Time. Rafe pitched them the strong Type B empowerment speech, and they lapped it up. One thing about Wheel of Time, is this mess wasnt accidental.

[@grotewobbo]

@@disparutoo What hurts me the most is that they got one shot to adapt this. Now they completely screwed this up no other production company will pick this up for the coming 50 years probably and who knows how the political climate has changed in 50 years? If the woke nonsense keeps growing further and further then we lost every chance to get a faithful adaption. It should have been made during GoTs time period.

[@timothywootton5331]

@@grotewobbo to be honest, I feel that if Netflix wanted to resurrect itself it could do so by doing a legitimate and faithful production of WOT.

[@IzzoCello]

Lol. From the first moment of episode one my brain put this in an alternate universe so I’m not too mad. I do think it’s hilarious the changes and the “reasons” for changes. One good thing the show did was send me back to the books. I’m on book 7 of my reread.

[@francesccampos1343]

I have to thank the show for making me discover the books, i literally watched 2 episodes because it seemed similar to shannara chronicles and i hadn't watched a high-fantasy show in some time but got bored quite rapidly due to the bad directing, camera-shots and story-telling, which made it seem like a very low-budget serie. After seeing some reviews on youtube i got interested in reading the books, and oh boy, i went looking for copper and found gold, i'm now half-way in the whole series and can't be happier of never having to watch the show again. And also thanks to this show, Tolkien's fans are on alert with the Rings of Power because there's a precedent of what is their objective, and it's not good.

[@Jamesmatise]

I've been trying to enjoy it for what it is...but even if I can think about it as an alternate universe, the writing is just terrible.

[@francesccampos1343]

@@Jamesmatise And the cinematography, and the character development, and the costumes, the sets look cheap and generic...

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

@@Jamesmatise It's a pile of misandrist crap.

[@KameronFranklin]

I had the same reaction after the first episode. Just finished book 7 the other night.

[@Dwmwd]

I love the WOT books and I tried very hard with the TV show but I couldn’t get past ep 6 and those physically hurt me to watch. Not only did they destroy the WOT but I honestly think if they had attempted to do justice to the story, the writers were not up to the challenge. The writing was awful. I can’t understand how they got this so wrong. I mean, they had it all written down for them. It should have been easy!!!!

[@gusty9053]

Oh it's all perfectly logical: they weren't adapting the books they were just looking for yet another platform for "the message" - as Drinker puts it. It was one more franchise to fu'ck over, murder and then parade the remains in the name of SJW propaganda. It became so predictable by now that i gave up on shows that are made or released 2020-2022. Even Reacher that i only saw after the word got around that it was a really good show (and it is) still had "whaman power" moments (at least there they were kind of justified in the story and were mercifully brief). I started going back to old movies and shows like Deadwood, classics like Exosquad or Swat Cats, pulps like The Shadow, or sidestepped into anime and manga.

[@IzzoCello]

@@zimri-lim8254 how long did that go? I don’t think I finished season 1

[@francesccampos1343]

@@gusty9053 I recommend you to watch the last episode just for the laughs, a perfect example of how to NOT adapt any of book ever again. And also why should we keep Rafe's hands away from any other fantasy book adaptation in the future.

[@AdderTude]

@@francesccampos1343 That intro in the first episode should be everyone's first clue that the show is gonna be a disaster. Completely omitting the prologue, where Ishamael taunts Lews Therin Telamon and claims victory right before Lews creates Dragonmount with his dying strength? That should've been the actual intro just to show people the lurking danger in the shadows and the Dark One's power. Hell, Judkins completely cut out the dichotomy of the One Power just to push the idea that only wahmen should channel. He completely ignores the root cause of the men's corruption just to say that all men are inherently cursed just because. The entire time I was waiting for the show to explain that the Dark One corrupted the men's side of the One Power, but the show ends up effectively saying men themselves are corrupted. The books make it clear that the One Power has _two halves_ and Judkins pointedly ignored it. What a friggin' clown.

[@LawrenceCaldwellAuthor]

I love the Wheel of Time as well, and I haven't seen a single episode of this crap show and I never will. Not going to taint myself, lol.

[@matheusstark592]

Rose Leslie is the perfect Aviendha in my head, ever since I saw her in GoT she instantly became the image in my head every time I read the books, even Ygritte who she plays in GoT has a lot in common with Aviendha, but I guess she doesn't tick enough boxes on the 'representation spreadsheet'.

[@orion00]

You're on to something here. She might be a tad on the shorter side though.

[@patrickbuckley7259]

As someone, who actually likes Buffy, and is getting into Wheel of Time. The fact that Rafe just put the idea of a crossover between them into my head, has infused me with a kind of hopeless dread. This man really is a perfect example of how utterly hackneyed and out of touch modern writers are...

[@disparutoo]

I like buffy, it wasn't even the IP name that got me, it's that he wanted the Buffy MUSICAL crossovers. And I can't stand any of those episodes.....in anything.

[@patrickbuckley7259]

@@disparutoo Oh, yeah Musical episodes are almost always the worst episode in a series, Buffie's was dreadful... the only exceptions I can think of are Scrubs and Psyche, well and (almost) all of Gallivant... but what all of those series had in common was that they where in no small part comedies. To be honest I think my brain refused to actually register that part. It was already having enough trouble grokking the sheer stupidity of crossing Buffy over with the Wheel of Time... I guess if you squint you might see something interesting with Buffy and Rand interacting, both being reluctant chosen ones, but... Yeah, the tonal whiplash alone could kill.

[@scambammer6102]

@@disparutoo buffy was bloody awful

[@michaelsasylum]

The Buffy musical episode "Once More With Feeling" was a masterpiece. Turning WoT into that would actually be a disgrace.

[@RespectTheSourceMaterial]

Great video as always. Please keep covering wheel of time.

[@disparutoo]

Oh this book series is a part of my childhood. I'll review this series to the end even if Im the only one who watches it. The news depends when there is anything worth covering as its few and far between and the show wont be out till a while after Rings of Power. But I wont stop covering its episodes at all.

[@miothan]

They already skipped having a male and female part of the power they use which is one of the biggest parts of the books, so...i mean...it's just a shitshow and it's going to continue to shit out shit.

[@AdderTude]

They scrapped the dichotomy of the One Power in favor of "men themselves are corrupt so only wahmen should channel." The books make it very clear that the only time where there is ever one singular source is the True Power, which is from the Dark One. Otherwise, the One Power is specifically divided into two halves because a man that channels with a woman becomes infinitely more powerful than either by themselves. It feeds into the Taoist theme of duality that Rigney (aka Jordan) wrote into the books. The Aes Sedai logo is literally the yin yang sans the dots.

[@Andrea_Gabrielli]

“We had to worry about getting to the end of the season so we could tell our story.” Oh no. If only there was a story already written that you would be legally allowed to copy off of verbatim and just put on screen without it being considered plagiarism. A story that is so long and rich with previously established lore, it could easily facilitate multiple seasons of a T.V. adaptation without having to waste more money coming up with original “content”.

[@AdderTude]

Oh, make no mistake. Judkins was very specific with his wording: "our story," instead of the story by James Rigney (the true name of Robert Jordan).

[@Andrea_Gabrielli]

@@AdderTude Yep. And it was thus said in KZbinr’s letter to the Wokenians that thou shalt not take credit for another’s labor.

[@heatherking3412]

If Rafe Judkins actually enjoyed the books and made choices to honor the original story, the show would not be the pile of disappointment that it is.

[@rukinohi]

Honestly, lots of modern TV series (WoT, ST Picard, LotR etc.) feel like the showrunners/screenwriters want to produce their own show but are forced by the studio to slap some known brand onto it so it sells better. So we just end up with the mix of the original material and the stuff they originally wanted to make.

[@francesccampos1343]

I think it's quite the opposite, the easy way for these new amateur and bad directors/writers/producers is to embrace the woke ideology and use it as their flag, that way they don't need to show skills, intelligence or creativity that real professionals have had to get to direct such a big budget production.

[@LawrenceCaldwellAuthor]

@@francesccampos1343 Bingo. That, and they're corrupting good stories, since they're not "politically correct," and all of us racist, sexist, homophobes need "correct" content.

[@popstarprincess123]

Damn I remember when costume designers were these artists and craftsmen Making fiction real Now we have cosplayers beating them at their own game

[@orion00]

Are they beating the cos-players though? Are they really?

[@thomasdavies5415]

I got to the end of episode 3, which I think is ample time to give a show a chance and see where it’s heading, before I canned it. It’s an absolute travesty and I refuse to give it a minute more of my time. As soon as I started watching the opening and saw they weren’t doing Dragonmount, but replaced it with some hyper-feminist all-men-are-bastards claptrap, I knew it could get fucked.

[@disparutoo]

Without doijg the reviews I would have left after episode 3 or 4. I cant remember which I said in the video would be my last, but if Id got through 3 I'd 100% have been out at 4 as that was one of the most boring things I'd seen. Until I started watching Naomi and Halo anyway...

[@xthegr8er537]

Hahaha! 'New character for new viewers'--good catch, Disparu!

[@TheArthoron]

This series is what the Dark One would have wanted for this story.

[@hazelhazelton1346]

"I win again, Lews Therin."

[@Bacchian]

Robert Jordan said he made the Aiel look the way they did because he thought it was funny to put a bunch of Irish people in the desert. The Aiel are repeatedly described as "sun-dark," and Aviendha is described as being very pale where the sun hasn't touched her. The same as Rand. Which is why everyone knows Rand is Aiel, and red-haired Sheriam isn't. Of course, I knew 100% they'd get the Targaryen treatment: there will be black, East Asian, dark-eyed, and short Aiel, they'll all just have red wigs. It's just funny seeing all the brain stems who contorted themselves to argue that "akshually" the Two Rivers people look exactly as described get this flung in their faces. "i'M hEre FoR iT!"

[@davidbowles7281]

He had to make them different from the Fremen somehow...

[@benjamintherogue2421]

I don't even acknowledge this train wreck's existence. There were legit fan fictions for after the end of the books that did a better job than what I've heard from this thing.

[@Degarth]

Exactly. It's not WoT. It's a simulacrum that makes a mockery of WoT.

[@benjamintherogue2421]

@@Degarth Basically the state of every single major IP of the last 10 years by this point.

[@sith_cake]

Faux Fiction, or hate fiction as Shad calls the Halo tv show.

[@Degarth]

@@benjamintherogue2421 sadly true.

[@benjamintherogue2421]

@@sith_cake Hate Fiction is accurate.

[@Oatieo1337]

Rafe is the true father of lies. I don't want a season 2, but we can't stop them. Love your videos though!

[@Dovieandi_Se_Tovya_Sagain]

Shad said it best. I wonder if they raced swapped Tuon would these shills still say that the race of the characters don't matter in a adaptation

[@disparutoo]

Tuon is an interesting example because she's also the leader of a place with...questionable practices. Ones that they specifically rail against. So I already think they'll alter that or give them an excuse. Probably because they could keep the leader. But otherwise? I think they WOULD swap her because of the optics of it.

[@Dovieandi_Se_Tovya_Sagain]

@@disparutoo ah I see. Race swapp her because black people can't be seen as owning slaves. That wouldnt surprise me one bit actually. SMH.

[@FilmRebels]

I am currently on my first read through of the series on book 11 and have loved it! Somehow I made it through season 1 of the show. It's some of the worst writing I have ever seen in a TV series, that's all lore destruction aside. Add that in and it's a dumpster fire. I'm shocked that it's getting any more seasons. Most of the time when I ask people if they have seen WoT they respond with "Never heard of it". I think that tells you all you need to know

[@D3voidofsoul]

That honestly is the best response, the fact that people will watch this dreg and think it is in anyway representative of the books is sad to me.

[@jwmcniel]

It received good ratings at first because those of us who started reading the series when the first book came out have been longing to see it adapted for something like 30 years and when it finally was adapted, at least speaking for myself, I subscribed to Amazon Prime just to watch it. I then cancelled my Amazon Prime account and have no intention of ever re-subscribing.

[@FilmRebels]

I feel for those longtime fans because it was one of my friends who has been a fan for years that got me to read the books. But even though I am not finished with the series, I still feel protective of the lore already and seeing the TV series destroy it made me as upset as a lot of longtime fans were. That and most of my favorite book series had terrible film/TV adaptions

[@michaelclements547]

Wait until you do a reread. Of the whole series. It’s like you now understand why people acted or said the things they did. I’m on my 5th time I still go wow , that’s why.!!! That happened. Or that’s who that was or is.

[@scambammer6102]

@@jwmcniel the first 4 WOT eps weren't that bad. Rafe's boyfriend in ep 5 started the downward spiral.

[@MrScruffyBeard]

The Wheel of Time book series holds a special place for me. Seeing what they've done with it is one of the more painful things I've been through

[@spacedoyster7686]

Sigh. Loial isn't gullible, he's young and naive. I'm increasingly convinced the cast has never even read the books. Like, the Liandrin actress was talking about how great it is to have an all women scene, but she'd understand common that is if she'd already read the darn books. Heck, even possibly problematic considering one of the main themes is cooperation, that men and women are at their best when working together.

[@disparutoo]

That is certainly the point of the books, but I think the first season showed everyone it's not the point of the show at all. In fact, the show is much the opposite. I think she was most rabid and mask off about the position Rafe wants to push.

[@Echidna23Gaming]

@@disparutoo Isn't that the whole point of Liandrins character though?

[@DLMoridin]

@@Echidna23Gaming this so-called adaption seems to have mixed Liandrin and Eliada into one person. while in the books she darker side comes out quickly after introduction and shes basically the face of the 8th ajah for the readers after the early events of book 2. iirc

[@stevenmortelmans2877]

I unfortunately never read the books prior to watching the series, but I'm currently on book 4 and enjoying it more than watching a few minutes of a series that's mediocre at best. As you've said in your videos on the first season, where they followed the book, it's good, but whenever they divert from it, they seem to lose character development, story lines, good writing etc. The change to Aviendha is really dumb, because Rand is supposed to look like the Aiel, and now that's gone too. Watching the first season I was confused a lot of the time, because they failed to explain a lot of stuff that's clear in the books. Like Rand being different from the rest of Edmond's Field and being mistaken for an Aielman throughout the book. I personally think they should've kept Elyas, Rand and Mat fooling around playing gleemen in Four Kings (which makes them realise they need to be even more careful), the parade with Logain in Caemlyn where Rand meets Elyane and Gawyn and they should've left the Amyrlin Seat for the second season, to show that now the plot thickens even more. I get that you change stuff from books to screen, which is also what Peter Jackson did with the LotR trilogy. The main difference here is that PJ, the team and actors had a lot of respect for the Tolkien, his messages, the characters and tried to keep true to the essence of the story. This series is just virtue signalling all the way, which is unfortunately going to happen to Rings of Power as well. And why are Siuan and Moiraine involved? They're just friends and complicites in an intricate plot. Looks like the Sam and Frodo are not just friends argument.

[@disparutoo]

This is the issue with changing things is that it's an entire piece of work, it builds upon each other. So you CAN'T change anything because it makes it all come down. They wanted Emonds field to be an international airport, which means that Rand COULDN'T stand out, because it was just a blob of nothing in particular. And this is the issue they'll have all over. They use lines about how its possible to know where anyone comes from. While making the entire world have no character as they've destroyed everyones homelands.

[@stevenmortelmans2877]

@@disparutoo I fully agree. Some of the things they changed didn't even make sense when viewing it without having read the books. Like why they hated the Aes Sedai. Moiraine didn't really do anything wrong in the first place. If they had kept it like the books; Edmond's Field being so secluded that even the kingdom to which it belongs didn't bother to send tax collectors anymore and the only news the villagers got was from the occasional merchant, peddler or gleeman. Then it would make sense to be distrusting of Aes Sedai, because then they would've viewed Moiraine as a Darkfriend if she was parading with her ring. The changes they make to the characters will cause a ripple through the series (I think) because a lot of the actions from the books won't make sense anymore in the series. And I hate how they treated all the characters as voices for their politics and basically destroyed Mat, Lan and Loial. And the most impactful event of the story; the battle at Tairen's Gap and the Eye of the World were far less impactful than in the books. Adding to that, the Horn of Valere was just plain stupidity in the series...Padan Fain walking like a very confident man, instead of a creeping gollum-like person, taking the little box instead of a heavy golden chest, and just leaving... I'm sorry for ranting, but it gets on my nerves the more I progress in the story.

[@haplozetetic9519]

"What are you most looking forward to fans experiencing in season 2?" Thumb screws? Bamboo under the fingernails? An iron maiden or two?

[@scambammer6102]

not watching it

[@Koronin]

Well, I still feel optimistic. It only took Dune 37 years after the first adaptation to get it right, so we'll have The Wheel of Time done right sometime in 2058. I'm just amazed that a former survivor contestant could destroy the story we love so effortlessly.

[@commanderfluff]

The latest Dune is a step backwards from the David Lynch version. They're shooting lasers everywhere, shields on buildings are useless, and mentats don't exist.

[@NovRen19]

Very schrewd incite and analysis Disparu and good video. Keep up the good work!

[@disparutoo]

Lmao thank you, I actually thought this was a negative comment till I got to the end, then realised you had meant Shrewd :D Appreciate you watching cheers :)

[@NovRen19]

@@disparutoo OMG now we are LOAO...ya glad u got the intent of the positive comment. We corrected the spelling. We will continue to watch more...Our team is on the look out for friends fellowships and partners in the cauldron of Phandom. Cheers to thee and looking forward to the next round of vids!

[@MirandaSinistra]

Hearing you describe Avienda I immediately thought of Karen Gillan.

[@williamholt8326]

She would make a good aiel. Not aviendha though, maybe bain or chiad.

[@gilian2587]

@@williamholt8326 I agree, maybe Bain or Chiad.

[@autisticallyaccurate]

Bravo! In a fantasy story people upset and offended by an evil power would endeavour to slay them, why don't people in real life slay their foes, legality, bureaucracy, and ethical discussions get in the way and nothing gets done, the dark lords and their minions aren't slew. When fictional characters are better than real persons everyone should be worried about how such lions became lambs.

[@timothywootton5331]

Hear, hear. I've thought this since the 80's.

[@BobsYerUncle_GT]

I watched all but the last episode of season 1. Parts of me were overjoyed at seeing it come to life and I think certain actors did an amazing job. I could deal with Perrin having had a wife in the beginning. I could deal with certain changes. Okay they wanted to develop the characters in a way we could relate to them more quickly than the books. But for FUCKS sake Rafe. WHY did he have to decide to make Moiraine and Suian a thing. Moiraine ends up romantically involved with a pretty major male character in the series. I have nothing against the LGBT community but when they put so much effort into rewriting characters and their relationships so they're shoving their sexuality in our faces it's the biggest fucking turn off. All we wanted is for the show to be condensed and well written, and have it kept faithful. Fuck off Rafe. I'm so mad they've ruined it and I doubt I'll be watching season 2.

[@mtk635]

There’s hints of morraine and suane having a sexual relationship in the books.

[@angelic252]

If you're going to complain about Suan and Moaraine shoving their sexuality in your face I better see you complain about the Nynaeve and Lan or Rand and Egwene or Perrin and Layla sex scenes that were completely unnecessary and only took up screen time. Suan and Moaraine at least had been hinted to have had a relationship of that sort in the past, unlike Rand and Egwene or Perrin and Layla. I can somewhat forgive trying to fill the obviously missing Nynaeve and Lan scenes that could've happened while Rand wasn't paying attention in the first book. Personally I would've preferred zero sex scenes, the Wheel never was that type of book and I don't see the point in imitating Game of Thrones in that regard.

[@edwardp7725]

The show is garbage, but the Siuan and Moiraine relationship is actually fine IMO. The book literally says they were "pillow friends". I can totally see them having some relationship. She could just be Bisexual and still have ended up in a relationship with the man you are thinking of.

[@nancyrogers1228]

@@edwardp7725 "were" is the operative word. Pillow friends are expected to grow out of such a relationship once they become Aes Sedai. With Moiraine being away from the Tower so much, for so many years, such growth should have been all but assured. Years, distance, and experience do change a person's perspective.

[@edwardp7725]

@@nancyrogers1228 Youre not wrong, but you have to admit that it is plausible. I think there are much more egregious changes and flaws in this show. The Siuan-Moiraine relationship is at least believable.

[@wetincornwall6882]

S1 E1 "The Dragon Reborn might be a woman" Nope, I'm done.

[@shinian6523]

I made it about 30 seconds into the opening monologue the first time I tried, and second (last) time I got as far as Matt's parents being shown to be horrible people

[@disparutoo]

Lmao yes, destruction of foundational lore right off the bat.

[@shinian6523]

@@disparutoo lol, Yeah it pretty much set the tone. Men broke the world, lore be damned, and now it's up to women to fix it.

[@alaska4939]

I know. That’s the dumbest thing ever. And making Egwaine and Nyneve Talverian is also terrible. You could argue they got pulled in because of the three boys but Egwaine not being Talverian makes her character arc even more impressive.

[@Echidna23Gaming]

@@shinian6523 That's literally what the characters from the books think at the beginning though. Nobody is trying to help a man that can channel, everyone (except a select few) try to control and force him down a specific path (and most of them are women, with some even being some degree of sexist). The part you don't learn until later in the series is that while men directly broke the world with the imperfect seal and the tainting of Saidin, the women are equally to blame because they wanted to use the Choeden Kal and couldn't make a compromise with the Male Aes'Sedai.

[@wordsofcheresie936]

We're doing a production of Shakespeare; we have introduced five new characters Their names are Juan, Nfume, Shaniqua, Kim Jong Awesome, and Xena.

[@disparutoo]

And of course respecting the lore is so important to us lmao.

[@joakimnyback1931]

the first season looked fine for the most part unless you knew what you were watching. They broke characters and the lore so many ways it will be impossible to repair, and they managed to get EVRY detail wrong in the last episode, that requires a special kind of ’talent’, or stupid. ..and i don’t see it getting any better in the future

[@FJaypewpew]

*Lan beats chest and screams in anguish*

[@laurenvargo7403]

I can't tell you how absolutely gutted I am about this. I love this book series. These characters have been with me throughout my adult life. It is crushing how much they fucked this up. It's devastating. This story is so incredibly important to so many, and it is not going to get the chance to be told through film again for a very long time, if ever. I dearly hope viewers of the show who haven't read the books, do read them. And I'm sad for everyone who takes this version at face value. I'm just glad fans of the books can gather and grieve together, and I appreciate people making videos breaking down what is going so wrong with this show.

[@nr63kish]

You know, you're a fan of a series, and then you watch a series that you've never heard of like Game of Thrones get made and you're like "man, they should do that with the Wheel of Time" the series is fucking awesome. And then you find out that they're going to do it, and all you can think about is how awesome it's going to be, it was such a great book series, and then season 1 drops, and they go woke. They completely abandon the books, they drop the message of them, and instead just pump their liberal political message. Now I'm left wishing that they had never made the series, because the hatred I have is so overwhelming. The worst part is, I've recommended the books to so many people, and those that haven't read them will watch this and think that it's what the books were.

[@s.g.3898]

On the bright side, we don't have to get invested for 6 seasons before knowing it's garbage. I consider it a bonus that they killed it straight out of the gate

[@disparutoo]

I completely agree that I used to want IP's to get adapted like Deus Ex and now, I'm like leave it alone you will ruin it. This is exactly the same for older series, Babylon 5 is thinking of coming back and I'm dreading it. And I've wanted more Stargate SG-1 for years.....but not now. To fix this mess would take so long, as so many people would need to be replaced for people of actual talent. And you'd need someone in charge of your company who absolutely did not care and was just willing to stand against everyone and laugh in their face. You reach a point where you think, it's actually way easier to just start from scratch again with new companies and new staff. Rather than try to fix the current ones.

[@nr63kish]

@@s.g.3898 There is that. But I honestly wanted to watch this show so badly, for years(basically since I started watching Game of Thrones). All it needed was to be transferred from paper to film, you've got the story, you've got the characters, and they're all described intricately. Just stick to that, and you'll have a massive blockbuster. And it's not like the book series lacked in diversity or "strong women", but they just couldn't help themselves.

[@s.g.3898]

@@nr63kish Agreed. It could have been a new LotR for the screen. All they had to do was not be trying to make a Tumblr pr0n-parody

[@AdderTude]

@@disparutoo I've had a personal side project on the back burner for a couple years now but I'm using YouMeScript to write a TV show adaptation of Brian Azzarello's "100 Bullets." I read the entire series online, which is about some shadow games being played between a coalition of powerful and influential families from Europe (The Trust) and their enforcers who they betrayed (The Minutemen).

[@hazelhazelton1346]

We used to think that that 50 shades of grey was as bad as fanfics could get... We were wrong.

[@christinesinclair6938]

As soon as he mentioned his favorite character was an Aiel I wanted to go "great. A race of *redheads* just WAITING to be given the Hollywood treatment"

[@Crichjo32]

Being redhead in the source material means being black in the Hollywood version.

[@danielcull5054]

I'll just listen to the audio books and make the show come to life in my own head. Michael Kramer and Kate reading do a fantastic job narrating.

[@facepwnagewtf]

I tried to give the Wheel of Time TV show a fair shake by watching every episode, and by the end it just felt like a massive betrayal and waste of my time. Looking at the show in a vacuum it's a below average fantasy adventure. With poor writing, inconsistent logic, character development and motivations that are all over the place. When you look at it as the book adaptation that it is however; it now turns into a dumpster fire. WOT has to be one of the worst adaptations I've ever seen of an intellectual property. The show runners miss the mark on nearly everything that makes the Wheel of Time the Wheel of Time. Baring a resemblance in name only. I will not be wasting my time on any further seasons of this train wreak.

[@arizona_anime_fan]

i remember the sword of truth tv series made by sam raimi (the legend of the seaker), and while they changed some stuff from the books and made it far more episodic, and transformed the world into a hercules the legandary journey type of thing combined with the terrible production values, I sort of felt bad for the sword of truth fans (I have a lot of problems with that series, but i thougth it was done dirty by the tv show). that said, that tv show is virtually identical to the books when you compare it to this amazon abortion. It's odd that it makes me WISH wheel of time only got the sam raimi treatment that sword of truth got. on the surface, in a vacuum, sword of truth at least was moderately fun TV, because sam raimi doesn't make unwatchable shit. Sure it was cheap popcorn fair but it still was moderately enjoyable and interesting as long as you didn't read the series the changes wouldn't bug you too much (in fact if anything most of the changes seemed to be made to turn the very rated R content into PG content, and stretch out the content of the books to fit an episodic tv show, so it's not even like Sam Raimi was intentionally changing around a lot of the story.

[@Ellis_Hugh]

The first season of Wheel of Time felt like something made by people who hated the books for people who have never read the books... I expect season 2 to be no different.

[@vipersb1]

Watching what they did with WOT killed all hope for The Rings of Power. And I mean ALL hope, even a "fools hope". 😉

[@sivaramansundaram9522]

Ohh so you are fool!. , accepted.

[@LawrenceCaldwellAuthor]

Dude, the woke atmosphere of Hollywood should have done that ages ago. The fact that Dune was actually good was a miracle. An exception to the rule now.

[@patrickhaley1312]

The real problem with the show is how much material they just ignored while complaining about their time and episode restraints. Then they give us a whole two episodes worth of material and characters that don't exist in all 13 novels. The whole show is a fucking travesty.

[@ryanheyman9748]

If this show makes it past season 3 ill be amazed

[@disparutoo]

I'd have agreed with you, but that would be on the standard business practice of actually wanting to make money. And when you're willing to just burn money, who knows how long they'll continue going if they value the influence more than the money.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

If it were on a STRICTLY streaming service, it probably wouldn't make it past S3. THIS steaming pile, however, is on Amazon... and there are numerous OTHER reasons to have Prime... like the free expedited shipping. That means that there probably WILL be a lot of people who watch it, simply because it's there and they are already paying for the service... so Amazon won't even know how many people ONLY watched it because it was "free"... and they were bored. It makes it really difficult to tell if this show (or any other) is actually giving them a return on their investment. In fact, it's even MORE difficult to tell with Prime than it is with other streaming platforms like Netflix etc.

[@timothywootton5331]

Prime don't care, they are pushing the agenda that the CEO wants and are rich enough to tam it down our throats. But it's all good. I can always read the series again. I can live without Amazon. My advice to everyone else is to do the same, because it might just help save the world.

[@lucasjoyce7556]

@@Nyet-Zdyes aye, but some people aren't stupid, they do cancel the subcription, like me for a good reason, one of them is the Lack of subtitles they provide, Amazon is just one gaint rip off casino, giving people the crap products (amazon products) that made in china.

[@FractalParadox]

Hot take: I don't think any of the swooping changes come from not liking the original or thinking they can do better. I think they come as 2 things: 1 - corporate mandates everyone has to abite to (like an internal memo saying 'make at least 2 characters gay plz, we need to meet that quota'); and 2 - wish fulfillment from the writers and directors. They didn't want to work on adaptations. They wanted to write and film their own original TV shows with massive budgets and their best stories, but are stuck with whatever the studios think will sell. So they get all over the adaption trying to insert their own ideas in. That is maddening to the fans, and often ends up sinking the show anyway, because those changes are in conflict with the original story, but the famous IP's what they have to work with, so the famous IP it is.

[@WiredDragoon]

Ah, your great reviews of WoT season 1 brought me here, and I'm glad you keep doing the light's work. And I'm not even a WoT superfan. Never finished the series, though I've listened to the first couple of audiobooks what feels like a dozen times.

[@disparutoo]

Oh for sure I'll keep covering Wheel of Time the issue is there isnt much news and even when there is its not that popular. So the only real times you can talk about it is when the show is live. But this was a big enough video I felt I had to cover it. I'D love to talk mlre about it but we're at the mercy of the algo

[@WiredDragoon]

@@disparutoo hey, I enjoy the rest of your stuff as well! With WoT it's just... mind-boggling how they can fuck this up so utterly, mate. I mean, all of this was so well described and laid out in the books a toddler should have been able to adapt it! It's so bloody obvious that the people doing this not only have no clue about the books, they also seriously lack even the most basic understanding of what's basic human history. The looks and identity of the distinct people in WoT is a core part of the fabric of the story and universe - and they keep completely ignoring that. But yeah, the mighty algorithm. Gotta play the hand that they deal you. 😉

[@blakewalker84120]

I wrote a book. Sold a few hundred copies. It appears I'm not very good at it. Robert Jordan wrote some books and sold over 90 million books. He's really, really good at it. One of the best. I don't believe I can duplicate what Robert Jordan did. Would be nice, but he's 1 in a million and I'm not. Along come the Amazon writers and they say "Hey, I've never sold any books but I'm sure I can do a better job than Robert Jordan." Why? Is it just extreme Dunning-Kruger? I just don't get it...

[@disparutoo]

I think there is an inherent feeling in Hollywood, and TV that their medium is the best. That books are not really important and games even less so. We saw this with the Halo TV show where they said they "didn't play the games so never felt limited by it being a game". Like games are somehow less than TV. They also think that anything old is outdated and wrong, and so they are "fixing" it. All this leads to the feeling that they can do anything, and in fact MUST change it, because it's it would be immoral not to. As to the book thing, I think Brandon Sanderson wrote like 13 books before he had any success. I've always liked the idea of compete against yourself, not other people as you wont know their stresses and struggles along the way. But if you keep improving a bit by bit day by day. In 10 years or more, you'll be on an entirely different level to today.

[@tekkblade82]

My burning question for Rafe is, will season 2 actually be based on the source material since that wasn't what happened in season 1?

[@scambammer6102]

how could it be? they totally changed the story.

[@francescopacchini7229]

For the record, the actress at 4:00 is Sofia Loren.

[@noahbuster4333]

Ugh it is absolutely horrible the moment I see "for a modern audience" as they ruin established lore, peoples, lands, magic, and etc..WOT has been butchered like no other. Just stick to the books people. WOT series is just awful beyond measure

[@pauls7956]

Love your channel. I'll suprised you are at 17k subs. I'm confident that will change fast. Keep up the good work.

[@disparutoo]

At the start of the year I was around 2.5k subs so it's been an incredible push upto 17k already. It wasn't long ago that 10k looked like it would take another year to get to. For the future, I think I've learned that I have no idea what will take off or why lmao.

[@testsignupagain7449]

Apparently S2 started shooting too early to adapt much fan feedback. People think S3 will be their first opportunity to change tack. Yikes

[@disparutoo]

Lets be honest. With all of the comments from Rafe, do you think even if they had the time they would have listened to it? They didnt even provide Brandon Sanderson the scripts for all of season 1 so even HE could provide feedback. They think they know better than everyone and dont think they need the feedback.

[@D3voidofsoul]

@@disparutoo And even if they did try to be more in line with the books....could they? I mean they have gone so far afield that if they tried to follow the now books it would be like an entirely different show. They would literally have to change everything to even come close to the books.

[@timothywootton5331]

@@D3voidofsoul shut the gate, the horse has bolted. They couldn't get it back on track if they wanted to. It is clear that they never intended to be anywhere near faithful to the source. Rafe is a prideful, spiteful, small little soy boy who thinks he is greatness and can improve on the work of a writer who is millions of times more talented than him.

[@VictoriaJohnson-z9o]

Evil cannot create. It can only corrupt.. Evil cannot create. It can only corrupt..

[@thelaughingjester7537]

I don’t know anything about the wheel of time but this “show runner” attitude to the books piss me off. They aren’t yours to change. You don’t have a fracture of the talent that the author had from what I’ve heard.

[@the_well-known_stranger2275]

Robert Jordan wrote one of the GREATEST fantasy epics of all time. Rafe Judkins is a bitter, small, talentless hack.

[@gilian2587]

Fraction. And you're right.

[@kendog35]

Thank you for this video. I had hopes that season two would be better, but you have convinced me to not waste my time...even to hate-watch it.

[@lordruxlinhogie5912]

My "I'm out" point was finding out that they made Perrin older and already married. Pretty early on, so I guess I was lucky in that regard

[@Avenus112]

Wait, last I heard from him Eggy-sue was his personal favourite which is why he sharply changed her character and actions. Is Raginor even capablr of telling the truth?

[@phucdo-i4z]

Egwene is my most hated character😡

[@MajinOtaku83]

The only good thing about the WoT TV series is that it brought awareness to the book series for people who didnt know about it. Still need to get on with reading it. More on the to-do list.

[@disparutoo]

Enjoy :) i also recommend Night angel trilogy, mistborn, stormlighr saga and if you do get through all those, lightbringer series.

[@MajinOtaku83]

@@disparutoo Thanks for recommendations! will make a note. Am making my way through the Shadows of the Apt series at the moment, but will get on with those after :)

[@orion00]

This is the negativity I've been looking for! I've been looking forward to this series being made for 20 years and the bull-shit the showrunners have stuck here fill me with such rage.

[@eziop5539]

They don't even take the opportunity to show that little hint after meeting the boys in Emond's Field, where Moiraine channels near Rand and he gets goosebumps or something. It's not until an entirely different book that you later realise he could detect when females are channeling nearby, and this was his way to tell. Edit: and it never explicitly makes the connection between the two, it's up to you the reader to make that link, and it was brilliant when I realised.

[@disparutoo]

This happens all over yes. It'll go back and a character will just mention in passing something. And you'll have to put it together that, oh HE was responsible for this other action.

[@thatdarnkitteh]

Thank you for saying all the things I couldn't because I was frothing at the mouth.

[@ehellstrom7127]

What did I think of the questions and answers? Two words: staged propaganda.

[@morecringe89]

You make so much sense, and for that I salute you.

[@user-we1eh6ls7v]

Kate Fleetwood just talking about the show was excruciating to watch!

[@mikefoster9140]

This is spot on, my sentiments exactly. As a huge WOT fan, having read the entire book series 3 times going on the fourth now, I am sorely disappointed. The casting, the departure from the original story line of Robert Jordan's vision almost leaves me physically ill. I was so looking forward to the WOT on screen only to end up with this abomination is beyond words. So sad Amazon with their vast resources ended up befouling Robert Jordans epic...starting with Rafe Judkins. AND Ayoola Smart!?! Are you f&^%ing kidding!?! Damn...

[@LordLewsTheDragon]

Don't stop calling these people out on their shit. "When they touch it, they make it filthy."

[@disparutoo]

Oh I forgot that quote, that was so long ago from the 2nd scene no less. Yes thank you, I shall be using that.

[@LordLewsTheDragon]

@@disparutoo the "whitecloaks rewatch" reminded me lol. Screw this show

[@theupperechelon7634]

Well, these days the paying beer customer are showing corporate America who's the real boss. Please remember this when considering forgiving Amazon for this diatribe. Also, don't watch anything else that Rafe is involved in.

[@gerardp4759]

And Amazon WOT is why LOTR fans are so concerned right now.

[@disparutoo]

Absolutely, and there are many that are concerned without knowing how bad Wheel of Time actually was. If they knew, they'd be even more concerned. And any of the "wait and see crowd", I think this is the only example that's required because they are following the same marketing.

[@Jezza_One]

I will give TROP the benefit of the doubt in the same way I did with WOT but my expectations cant take much more subversion.

[@CaliforniaKevman]

Your WOT content is why I subscribed.

[@zacharyhenderson7606]

I couldn’t make it past episode 6. I can’t fathom how they plan on explaining away anyone surviving getting cut by that dagger.

[@disparutoo]

Nynaeve/Egwene will probably come and heal them. They literally healed death in the finale lmao And you were braver than I would have been if I hadn't been doing review videos, I'd have been out either at or immediately after 4. I thought that was the most boring episode of the show.

[@zacharyhenderson7606]

@@disparutoo I wanted so bad to like this. I had been giddy with anticipation leading up to its release, and had largely steered clear of any spoiler or interview material. This show though… just wow. I have never been so disappointed by an adaptation in my life. I think at this point a more constructive approach to the convo would be what they actually got right. The videos would be much shorter though.

[@andyt2979]

Ome good thing has come out of this show so far. It's convinced me to read the books! Halfway through Great Hunt and loving it 😁

[@ViperRT99]

I called it. 100% knew they were going to race switch Aviendha even though she is very clearly described. Probably will do it to the entire Aiel people. One character I believe they will do their best to cast correctly is Tuon.

[@disparutoo]

Well the odd thing is I went back and watched a clip of the season 1 Aiel they found with Thom. And it's ginger. Thom even comments on the hair "you don't see that very often outside of the wastes". Then completely disregard their own actually spoken about lore of their own show lmao.

[@Balandrus]

The most infuriating thing to me about the casting are all the other WoT channels being apologists for the choice, and employing incredible mental gymnastics. "Jordan never specifically stated Aiel are _white._ Pale doesn't mean _white."_ Actually, in this context, it very much does. Combine pale with the hair and eye colors, and there aren't many ethnic groups that fit the description. And that's if you want to just ignore Jordan's memoirs.

[@BeholderThe1st]

Isn't it ironic that Jordan basically put white gingers as the people of the desert in his novels, breaking with stereotypes. But the first thing a bunch of woke progressives do, is through a stereotypical African ethnic woman to play someone from the desert tribes. Frankly, I just want good actors to play the roles, and where it doesn't matter, put what ever race you want, but the hypocrisy of wokesters never ceases to amaze.

[@ViperRT99]

@@Balandrus The thing is, we have official art of Aviendha from the WoT card game (way before Jordan's death), as well as the New cover of The Path of Daggers. There is no excuse. They should just come out and admit they don't care about the books, and have a bias against white people.

[@Balandrus]

@@ViperRT99 Oh, I'm aware. Personally, I don't need extra sources. Jordan describes the look of every ethnic group to almost autistic detail, in the books. The mental gymnastics of the other "creators" I'm arguing with are truly baffling. I've used race swapping Tuon as an example, and they respond by saying she has very detailed descriptions, as Jordan describes her as black. It's funny that using the same type of descriptive language to describe white people makes them "not necessarily white."

[@timbishop339]

I just saw this video. That is Raquel Welch and my guess Jordan image would be the movie, "1 Million years BC."

[@davidpeterson8424]

For 20 years this was my favorite book series. They got it all wrong.

[@disparutoo]

Yes for me it's likely around 25+ years too. It's not just wrong, it's nothing similar in the LEAST. When you have people trying to defend it by "it's another turning of the wheel", it just shows even THEY have given up even trying to defend it as a Wheel of Time IP.

[@gilian2587]

@@disparutoo I thought Shadar Logoth was pretty good. The way they handled the white cloaks was pretty spot on, imo. But that doesn't mean I'll forgive them for ruining Abel Cauthon, and Perrin's arc, and Rand's arc, and Mat's arc. I could have even given them a pass for all of that... except they decimated the lore of Lews Therin Kinslayer and his 100 companions. They portay him as this idiot who just got a bug in his mullet and randomly decided to attack the Dark One. The Age of Legends was ended by one man -- a fool. There isn't a single male character who isn't a moron in light of his female counterparts in the show.

[@scambammer6102]

@@disparutoo I don't care how many turns of the wheel this show reeks

[@donaldcatanzaro5318]

in the WoT TV series we should just rename the characters. So Randy=Rand, Mathew=Matrim, Perry=Perrin, Tom=Thom, etc. That way no one can get confused on canon.

[@carm9716]

Thank you for your point about the Aiel. How could they dismiss this very important detail?

[@disparutoo]

They didnt, none of it is accidental, they even mention that aiel hage red hair in the show when Thom first talks about one. The casting imo is a deliberate destruction and attack on the Wheel of Time by people who despise the books and think they must be fixed.

[@carm9716]

@@disparutoo It makes me sad. I, like many others, have waited YEARS for this story to come on screen and this is what they give us.

[@timothywootton5331]

Anybody who says Rafe is talentless hack is wrong. I have never seen anyone who destroy classic literature as well as this, 'guy?'.

[@whisped8145]

Thank you for this concise and articulate wording of why the Aiel are - and even without much of a spoiler to boot!

[@johntinkel5670]

I'm over here just constantly hoping and praying that this show crashes and burns so badly, that maybe, just maybe, they decide to scrap the entire thing, fire everybody, reboot it and hire new people that will actually do the Wheel of Time justice. It's a small dwindling thing to hope for, but it's about all I got. As a side note does Amazon also own the rights to making something like a Wheel of Time movie? If not, then maybe we can get a Wheel of Time movie by somebody like Peter Jackson and have something that's actually good. If I'm not mistaken, show rights and movie rights are not always the same thing. Again, it's a small hope, but a hope nonetheless.

[@timothywootton5331]

Yes. This is the only way to save it.

[@dancegregorydance6933]

The series is too long for a movie

[@johntinkel5670]

@@dancegregorydance6933 Oh I know, I meant multiple movies, with some of the books being split into two movies. It would be hard, but the hope would be that someone like Peter Jackson could do like what he did with Lord of the Rings.