When a complicated proof simplifies everything

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@KhanStopMe
@KhanStopMe 29 күн бұрын
i thought this was blindingly obvious until i realised the reason i thought that is because i had already picked 10 as my starting number so the proof was immediately intuitive for a brief moment, i thought i was a genius
@zzzaphod8507
@zzzaphod8507 29 күн бұрын
That version of it may be obvious but it's a bit in-tens for me.
@HunterJE
@HunterJE 29 күн бұрын
Same, I saw the thumbnail and so knew I'd be raising it to an exponent, and so picked a number I knew would be easy to do that to without getting out a calculator. And yeah definitely gave away the trick on the second proof XD
@johnnye87
@johnnye87 29 күн бұрын
Once they've followed the step of converting to base b, technically everyone is using 10 as their starting number
@malvoliosf
@malvoliosf 28 күн бұрын
I’m not convinced you are not.
@gnaskar
@gnaskar 28 күн бұрын
I picked 2. Which, yes, is divisible by 1.
@karlmikko
@karlmikko 29 күн бұрын
I raised to the power of 1. Made a load of sense.
@NonFatMead
@NonFatMead 29 күн бұрын
Now prove for case n+1 and you've got your inductive proof.
@positivity3311
@positivity3311 29 күн бұрын
me too
@soberhippie
@soberhippie 29 күн бұрын
I raised it to the power of 0, and it made no sense at all
@gigantopithecus8254
@gigantopithecus8254 29 күн бұрын
@@soberhippiei mean 0/(b-1) is an integrr for b!=1
@lucas2nded461
@lucas2nded461 29 күн бұрын
I chose 1 as my starting number "b", which I promptly regretted
@mattgsm
@mattgsm 29 күн бұрын
"Wait it's all 9s" "Always has been"
@danielmcallister8902
@danielmcallister8902 29 күн бұрын
Love the second proof! In the vein of the first proof, there's the identity b^n - a^n = (b-a)*(b^n-1 + b^n-2 * a + .... + b * a^n-2 + a^n-1) that makes the divisibility quite clear.
@ShongoStick
@ShongoStick 29 күн бұрын
ah yes, this complicated string of math that i don't understand....yes, i understood that perfectly
@mathieuaurousseau100
@mathieuaurousseau100 29 күн бұрын
And now in the vein of the second proof, in (b^n)-1=(b-1)(b^n-1+b^n-2+...+b+1), if you write the second number in base b you get 111..1 (b ones)
@saavyk1264
@saavyk1264 29 күн бұрын
@@mathieuaurousseau100 Whoa
@nikos4677
@nikos4677 29 күн бұрын
This was my first thought.
@iang0th
@iang0th 29 күн бұрын
@@ShongoStick It's easier to understand (at least if you can write it out properly instead of trying to force it into a KZbin comment), if you look at like this: first set a=1, since we don't need the more general version, so we have (b-1)(b^n-1 + b^n-2 + ... b + 1) If you expand that out, you get (b^n + b^n-1 + ... b^2 + b) - (b^n-1 + b^n-2 + ... + b + 1). If you compare the positive terms with the ones being subtracted off, you'll notice that all of them cancel out except for the first and last, b^n-1.
@hallojava2458
@hallojava2458 29 күн бұрын
Nice proof by induction I made: b^1 - 1 is obviously divisible by b - 1, as they are the same If b^n - 1 is divisible by b - 1, then so is b^(n+1) - 1, as b^(n+1) - 1 = b^(n+1) - b + b - 1 = b(b^n - 1) + (b - 1) First term divides by (b - 1), as b^n - 1 divides by (b - 1) Second term (b - 1) divides by (b - 1) Induction: True of first case, and second, and third, and so on...
@quentind1924
@quentind1924 29 күн бұрын
I did that too!
@kombat4135
@kombat4135 29 күн бұрын
I thought of this as well
@broskey4041
@broskey4041 28 күн бұрын
was it specified that n is a set of natural numbers?
@chaddaifouche536
@chaddaifouche536 28 күн бұрын
@@broskey4041 You mean *in* the set of natural numbers. And that's really a matter of conventions : if you use n as a value name for something else than a (natural) integer without precisions, you're an heretical monster in the mathematical community. Similarly, because we're discussing divisibility without more details, you can infer that b should be an integer too. Of course if you're writing a math paper or in your exam, you should **really** details all of this!
@broskey4041
@broskey4041 28 күн бұрын
@@chaddaifouche536 thank you for the correction and clarification. I didn't even know that divisibility implies working with integers that's kinda cool
@henningsperr8063
@henningsperr8063 29 күн бұрын
I thought of b=1
@Elnadrius
@Elnadrius 29 күн бұрын
Me too!
@JohnR31415
@JohnR31415 29 күн бұрын
Try b=pi, or root 2
@revadiazairlangga5939
@revadiazairlangga5939 29 күн бұрын
same here
@blackholedividedbyzero
@blackholedividedbyzero 29 күн бұрын
Zero divided by zero
@EqSlay
@EqSlay 29 күн бұрын
That's a bbbase case.
@jihoonkim9766
@jihoonkim9766 29 күн бұрын
The two proofs are actually very closely related! In the first proof, you basically factor b^n - 1 into (b - 1) * (b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + b^(n-3) + ... + b^0). And in the second proof, the reason aaa...a in base b is divisible by a is because aaa...a (base b) = a * b^(n-1) + a * b^(n-2) + a * b^(n-3) + ... + a * b^0 = a * (b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + b^(n-3) + ... + b^0). Since a = b - 1, they are the same equation :)
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 29 күн бұрын
No sh1t, Sherlock.
@novamc7945
@novamc7945 29 күн бұрын
​@@samueldeandrade8535 You must be pretty smart wow
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 29 күн бұрын
@@novamc7945 thanks, but no. No one needs to be smart to NOT like obvious comments.
@novamc7945
@novamc7945 29 күн бұрын
​ @samueldeandrade8535 That's a stupid argument. According to your analogy, videos that explain a topic at a fundamental level should simply NOT exist. Afterall, it's obvious. Plus, it's certainly not like there are people out there that don't understand the subject you're so profoundly good at! If you'd already inferred what the comment was suggesting, you could've simply ignored it and moved on. There was simply no need to leave a discrediting reply. Nothing like a good old KZbin comment section argument.
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 29 күн бұрын
@@novamc7945 "According to your analogy ..." Wtf are talking about? What analogy? I made no analogy ...
@amorphant
@amorphant 29 күн бұрын
MATT! I think there's a lovely geometric proof as well! Visualize 5^2 as a 5x5 grid of squares. Remove the southeast corner. You now have a row of 4 (n-1) to the west of the missing square. Remove it. You also have a column of 4 to the north of the missing square. Remove it. You're left with a 4x4 grid, which is just more rows of 4. This works for any n^2. It extrapolates to higher dimensions as well. If you make a 5x5x5 cube, then take out one corner, you can remove one entire face using the method above. Then, remove the strip of 4 that's aligned with the missing corner on the Z-axis -- just like you did with the "row" and "column" in the x^2 example -- which leaves you with a bunch of identical slices, each of which is identical to the 2-dimensional example after removing one corner piece.
@vsm1456
@vsm1456 28 күн бұрын
I like your idea! When a problem is visualised it makes it much more simple for me.
@jonathanallan5007
@jonathanallan5007 27 күн бұрын
This. I visualised exactly the same almost straight away.
@jonathanallan5007
@jonathanallan5007 27 күн бұрын
...and going up in dimensions by one always adds (b-1) copies of the currently existing cubelets prior to the removal from the very first strip.
@amethystklintberg7436
@amethystklintberg7436 26 күн бұрын
This is beautiful!
@Naryoril
@Naryoril 25 күн бұрын
This should get more upvotes
@dtfd_
@dtfd_ 29 күн бұрын
0:05 b = 1 0:30 n = 0 0:41 oh... So it turns out you can divide by 0 after all
@Mitchpott
@Mitchpott 29 күн бұрын
Does 0/0 = 1 or undefined or infinity
@kutsen39
@kutsen39 29 күн бұрын
​@@Mitchpott0/0 is considered undefined. Imagine a function (or graph it in Desmos) where it's some number divided by x, like y=1/x. If you start at x=1 and move towards x=0, you're dividing by a smaller number which means you're actually multiplying by a larger number, i.e. 1÷½=1×2. So as x approaches 0 from the positive side, the number races off to infinity. Now what happens if you start from x=-1? Well, the exact same thing, but the number is now negative. As x gets infinitely close to 0, the 'limit' (basically what we've just done) is different depending on how you look at it. So the limit is said to not exist. Lastly, imagine the age-old 0.99999... = 1. You might know it works because it's an infinitely long string of O's, but if you try to decide what its limit is (the number it gets infinitely close to), it approaches 1. There are some great proofs here for you to find. But in this respect of limits, we arrive at the conclusion that they are actually equivalent. So, because the limit does not exist, it is impossible to divide by 0. In actual calculus, it is said that if your result is 0/0, you've taken the wrong approach.
@danceswithowls
@danceswithowls 28 күн бұрын
Factors aren't defined by division but by multiplication into a product. Given h × k = j, then h and k are factors of j. Likewise, since 3 × 0 = 0, both 3 and 0 are factors of 0. Nothing in there about division.
@nickpro8116
@nickpro8116 28 күн бұрын
From the point of view of the definition of divisibility, 0 is actually divisible by 0, since there exists a number (any number in fact) that you can multiply by zero to get zero. The funny thing is, this still doesn't imply you can divide by zero, it's just the one single case where the terms "divisibility" and "division" collide and contradict each other. But for any non-zero number, divisibility for sure implies that you can divide by that number and get a single unambiguous result.
@19divide53
@19divide53 28 күн бұрын
@@nickpro8116 The terms "divisibility" and "division" do not contradict each other. Division is defined as multiplication (one of the defining operation in a ring) by the multiplicative inverse (which exists for any nonzero element in a field). By definition, "division" excludes dividing by zero already.
@mocliamtoh573
@mocliamtoh573 29 күн бұрын
I like how "complicating" the initial problem leads to a much more intuitive understanding of the proof. (And the dig at Amazon)
@kullen2042
@kullen2042 29 күн бұрын
My first intuition when I heard "divisible by something" was to consider the whole situation modulo this something. There it also becomes quickly apparent, because modulo (b-1) we have: b ≡ 1 (mod b-1) and therefore b^n ≡ 1^n = 1 (mod b-1), hence b^n - 1 ≡ 0 (mod b-1), but the last equation is exactly synonymous to "(b^n - 1) is divisible by (b - 1)". Of course this than relates to the fact, that 1 is a zero of the polynomial (x^n - 1), because the calculation above is just evaluating this polynomial in the according ring of residual integers (Z/(b-1)Z).
@jameshart2622
@jameshart2622 29 күн бұрын
Nice one. Really clean. It does have the downside of not knowing the resulting alternate factor, though. Still a good proof, though.
@preetichandra7113
@preetichandra7113 17 күн бұрын
Just got that answer too🤪🤪🤪
@nura8578
@nura8578 29 күн бұрын
I REALLY LOVE WHEN WE SWITCH NUMBER BASES AND IT BECOMES OBVIOUS IT IS MY FAVORITE GENRE OF MATH
@yoavshati
@yoavshati 29 күн бұрын
If you use b-1=a you can rewrite the problem as (a+1)^n - 1 being divisible by a, and if you were to expand it you would get a lot of terms with some power of a, and then +1-1, which just cancels
@Subatomicfish
@Subatomicfish 29 күн бұрын
I believe that coincides with how synthetic division works, which was how I went about thinking through the problem
@softy8088
@softy8088 29 күн бұрын
I really like this one.
@Penrose707
@Penrose707 25 күн бұрын
This is how I went about it as well. Let F(b, n) = (b^(n) - 1) / (b - 1). Now evaluate at F(b + 1, n) = ((1 + b)^(n) - 1) / (b). Now expand the binomial and note that C(n ,n) b^0 = 1, which cancels the one in the numerator. Now we have a polynomial expression in terms of b multiplied by 1/b, which we can negate by subtracting one in all of our terms. Now evaluate this expression at b - 1 to show that F(b, n) = (b^(n) - 1) / (b - 1) = sum(k = 0, n - 1, C(n, k) * (b - 1)^(n-k-1))
@polygrum
@polygrum 29 күн бұрын
The "base b" insight is wonderful, but it really doesn't answer how you would decide to do that. For me it's much more natural to switch to mod b-1, where b^n - 1 = 1^n - 1 = 0 mod b-1, since when you have to prove that x is divisible by y it's often useful to switch to proving that x = 0 mod y.
@akaHarvesteR
@akaHarvesteR 29 күн бұрын
Base B is just mod B with a carry 😊
@gideonk123
@gideonk123 29 күн бұрын
But then when you need to divide by b-1 mod b-1, it would be like dividing by zero, or perhaps I didn’t understand you?
@JdeBP
@JdeBP 29 күн бұрын
The base b approach is natural when one is in school and one hasn't done modular arithmetic yet, but one _has_ encountered things like how to test in base 10 for divisibility by 9.
@Pieter31
@Pieter31 29 күн бұрын
@@gideonk123 if a number is 0 mod b-1, that means its divisible by b-1
@quentind1924
@quentind1924 29 күн бұрын
A way to find it would’ve been if you tried b=10 at some point in your tests
@xHyperElectric
@xHyperElectric 29 күн бұрын
I paused the video immediately after you said you picked 440, thought for a moment, decided on 17. I unpaused the video and the next sentence you said was someone else picked 17. I was reminded of Veritasium’s recent video on the human inability to create randomness.
@AkiSan0
@AkiSan0 29 күн бұрын
well. technically he didnt say to pick a "fully random" number, but just a number we like, thus reducing the numbers chosen by a LOT.
@Lombravia
@Lombravia 29 күн бұрын
17 is just a decently likable number.
@X1ma_
@X1ma_ 29 күн бұрын
I picked 17, but only because it used to be my favourite football player's number when I was a kid, and now it's my favourite number xD
@sol_in.victus
@sol_in.victus 29 күн бұрын
I picked 7 and i think there's something to it why is 7 a number people often pick
@JdeBP
@JdeBP 29 күн бұрын
I have changed my strategy for picking random numbers under 100 since I watched that. 30 and 90 are preferred random numbers, now. But, of course, there's the question of how many other people in the world have thought the same. (-:
@Nolys-bk4kd
@Nolys-bk4kd 29 күн бұрын
To be honest, the first thing I thought of were geometric sums ( [b^n-1]/[b-1] = 1 + b + b² + ... + b^[n-1] ). But that's an admittedly more convoluted way of proving that [b^n-1]/[b-1] is an integer than proving that 1 is a root of x^n-1
@prof.dr.jorgmeuthenne765
@prof.dr.jorgmeuthenne765 29 күн бұрын
same
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 29 күн бұрын
That's probably the original proof of this fact.
@Schpeeedy
@Schpeeedy 29 күн бұрын
well you can do your way without proving that for any a satisfying a polynomial f(x), (x-a) divides f(x). So I think its nicer
@TechToppers
@TechToppers 29 күн бұрын
I mean you would have to show after dividing it out, the polynomial has integer coeffs? If rationals then, we can't guarantee?
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 29 күн бұрын
@@Schpeeedy exactly.
@ShinySwalot
@ShinySwalot 29 күн бұрын
instructions unclear, I picked "b" to be the big famous constant e and it didn't work :(
@Cruzz999
@Cruzz999 29 күн бұрын
Similarly, I picked pi. Fairly sure that's not working either.
@spaceshipable
@spaceshipable 29 күн бұрын
I think 1 has to divide into your "b". I imagine if you picked b = ½, you could say b ^ n - ¼ is divisible by b - ¼. (I picked ¼ because it divides into ½). Therefore it makes sense that b has to be an integer for the video's equation to work. p.s. this could all be wrong, I've not actually checked the maths
@adityaflashraj
@adityaflashraj 29 күн бұрын
No it definitely works
@oinkoink3669
@oinkoink3669 29 күн бұрын
it only applies to integers. He should have said that
@katherinescheper1951
@katherinescheper1951 29 күн бұрын
I picked -1/4. Can you believe that didn't work?
@efhiii
@efhiii 29 күн бұрын
"I don't think anybody's ever used base 440 before" Hmm... 440 Hz is what A440 (Stuttgart pitch) tuning is based on. I suppose it's more of a unit conversion than base though. I'm sure someone's played 440 Hz on a bass before though, and maybe that would be bass 440. A0 = 27.5 Hz A1 = 55 Hz A2 = 110 Hz A3 = 220 Hz *A4 = 440 Hz* A5 = 880 Hz A6 = 1760 Hz A7 = 3520 Hz A8 = 7040 Hz
@BigDBrian
@BigDBrian 29 күн бұрын
I'm sure the 440Hz playing bassist also had some sheets of paper: A0 = 1 m² A1 = 1/2 m² A2 = 1/4 m² A3 = 1/8 m² A4 = 1/16 m² ...
@musicat3330
@musicat3330 29 күн бұрын
@@BigDBrian Then if you multiply the pitch by the paper size, you get a very strange way to express kinematic viscosity: A4 × A4 = 440 Hz × 1/16 m² = 27.5 m²/s = 275 kilostokes (kSt)
@AlRoderick
@AlRoderick 28 күн бұрын
A440 isn't a bass note, it's the very definition of mid-range.
@efhiii
@efhiii 28 күн бұрын
@@AlRoderick it's not a bass note, but that doesn't mean it can't be played on a bass.
@helsing7423
@helsing7423 29 күн бұрын
My b was 2. Yep, i was underwhelmed
@charstringetje
@charstringetje 29 күн бұрын
That's odd
@Centauris-ty8wn
@Centauris-ty8wn 29 күн бұрын
I think it’s prime time to retry with another number.
@nathangamble125
@nathangamble125 29 күн бұрын
@@charstringetje No, 2 is definitely even.
@helsing7423
@helsing7423 29 күн бұрын
@@Centauris-ty8wn 2 is my favourite number. I would never forsake it.
@kilroy1964
@kilroy1964 29 күн бұрын
​@@helsing7423Two forever!
@Cmanorange
@Cmanorange 29 күн бұрын
i love the orange circle in the top right, brings the whole thing together
@Zerotan
@Zerotan 29 күн бұрын
I thought of the cubes from grade school. Your n-hypercube can be decomposed into a bunch of sticks and slabs and cubes and hypercubes that have (b-1) side lengths.... and.... 1, but you have conveniently subtracted that out.
@estherstreet4582
@estherstreet4582 29 күн бұрын
Yeah, I found it fairly easy to visualise a proof for n=2 and n=3 just by chopping up shapes, but I wasn't sure how to visualise n=4 lmao
@jacovisscher
@jacovisscher 29 күн бұрын
My thoughts exactly! Sad it wasn't original, happy people think in hypercubes!
@UnCavi
@UnCavi 29 күн бұрын
Yes, this is my favorite proof. You can also mix it with a bit of induction to make it simpler: b^n -1 is the volume of a n-cube with side lenght b, which has a small (n-cube)-shaped hole with side length 1 at one of its corners. Take a slice off of it from the top: you’re left with a n-parallelepid with one side lenght (b-1) and all other sides b, and the extra slice you cut off. You can “flat” this extra slice by looking at it from the front, suppressing the dimension along its side of lenght 1. Then, you’ve got the same shape as you started with, but which lives in 1 dimension lower: a (n-1)-cube with a unit corner missing. Repeat n times and you get all shapes with at least a side lenght of (b-1)
@pitust
@pitust 29 күн бұрын
I tried proving this myself without watching the rest of the video, and I made something like: 1. Base case: for n=1, b^n-1 is clearly divisible by b-1 (because they are equal) 2. Inductive case: Let's say b^n-1 is some x(b-1) + 1. Then: b^(n+1)-1 = b (b^n) - 1 = b(x(b-1)+1)-1 = bx(b-1) + b - 1 = bx(b-1) + 1(b-1) = (bx+1)(b-1) which is also divisible by b-1. QED
@threesixtydegreeorbits2047
@threesixtydegreeorbits2047 29 күн бұрын
The base change is sooo poggers
@notnilc2107
@notnilc2107 29 күн бұрын
very skibidi indeed.
@movieidiots5542
@movieidiots5542 29 күн бұрын
Spoiler alert!
@123MondayTuesday
@123MondayTuesday 29 күн бұрын
The naughty orange dot in the top right corner bugged me
@MrCheeze
@MrCheeze 29 күн бұрын
Not only is the second proof easy to follow, it also immediately tells you what the other factor is and why (1, b+1, b^2+b+1, etc, depending on n)
@raresaturn
@raresaturn 28 күн бұрын
What is the second proof?
@jacksonpercy8044
@jacksonpercy8044 22 күн бұрын
The base B proof. Also I wasn't expecting to see MrCheese while scrolling through the comments. Neat.
@Leandro-vy7nj
@Leandro-vy7nj 29 күн бұрын
I am also very stunned by the implications this could have on quickly determining if a number is divisible by another specific number. Powerful stuff
@skyforger8102
@skyforger8102 29 күн бұрын
I Love the shade thrown at Amazon!
@hoblesy
@hoblesy 29 күн бұрын
I think a pretty intuitive way of thinking about it is geometrically, If you make a b X b square (or cube or whatever) it can be seen to be a load of sets of (b - 1). In the case of a square b rows of b - 1 and one extra column of b - 1
@sumner1107
@sumner1107 29 күн бұрын
This is how I visualized it as well
@JavedAlam-ce4mu
@JavedAlam-ce4mu 26 күн бұрын
Doesn't the extra column have b elements? E.g if b = 4 and we square it: Say these asterisks represent b, so here is a 4x4 grid: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I see b (4) rows of b-1(3) * * * * * * * * * * * * But this remaining extra column you refer to has b, not b-1 elements * * * * I just realised why this makes sense - because we are dividing by (b^n) - 1, so if you subtract this extra one off, then yes it is divisible by (b - 1) * * * But the way you described it was incorrect and confusing for me lol.
@hoblesy
@hoblesy 26 күн бұрын
@@JavedAlam-ce4mu sorry if I was unclear but yes we ended up at the same solution, if b = 4, you end up with: b rows of b - 1 (4 rows of 3) and one extra column of b - 1 (3) ###| ###|# ###|# ###|#
@sumner1107
@sumner1107 25 күн бұрын
@@JavedAlam-ce4mu if you remove the corner square then yeah, youll have a square of (b-1)^2 plus 2(b-1) sides
@Patagonicus42
@Patagonicus42 29 күн бұрын
I picked b=1. I feel like "a number" was not specific enough. Or is 0 divisible by 0? 🤔
@galoomba5559
@galoomba5559 29 күн бұрын
Sure 0 is divisible by 0, 0 = k*0 for some k
@chemicalbrother5743
@chemicalbrother5743 29 күн бұрын
@@galoomba5559 That would make 0 / 0 = k. Which is not a unique value, so u can't divide 0 by 0.
@mudkip_074
@mudkip_074 29 күн бұрын
Zero is indeed divisible by zero. Since there exists a whole number k such that kx0=0 (this is true for all k, but we can take k=0 as an example, 0x0=0). Generally speaking "a is divisible by b" and "a is a multiple of b" are the same statement. This trips a lot of people up because there's no answer to "zero divided by zero", which sounds like it should mean the same thing, but it doesn't.
@Patagonicus42
@Patagonicus42 29 күн бұрын
@@mudkip_074 Ah, right, hadn't considered that you can define divisibility by multiplication
@Mmmm1ch43l
@Mmmm1ch43l 29 күн бұрын
@@chemicalbrother5743 unfortunately, the mathematical definition of "a is divisible by b" is in general not the same as "you can divide b by a". this is because the concept of divisibility is very useful even in situations where you don't have a concept of division at all. in general, "a divides b" is defined as "there's some k such that k*a=b", which is obviously satisfied for 0 and 0, because 0*k=0 for all k.
@Huntracony
@Huntracony 29 күн бұрын
My mind was blown and I immediately understood when you said to use the base of the number, wonderful proof. I love the bigger videos with locations and large production values, but I love these simple "Here's a cool math(s) thing!" videos too, and I'm glad you're doing both.
@StarchedPie
@StarchedPie 29 күн бұрын
There is also a simple way to prove this by induction, for increasing n. (It's going to sound complicated in text but with pictures it's obvious) For n = 2, imagine the it as a square grid, now take one off the corner, now you have a rectangle of b*(b-1) plus a line of b-1, which are both divisible by b-1. For n = 3, imagine a cube, taking one off the corner leaves you with the same n = 2 square case on one face, plus a block of (b^2)*(b-1), this block is also divisible by b-1. This can be extended to arbitrary n, where the 'block' will always be (b^(n-1))*(b-1), divisible by b-1.
@kpaasial
@kpaasial 29 күн бұрын
I like big exponents and I can not lie.
@cosumel
@cosumel 29 күн бұрын
I was obsessed with the Mersenne series in middle school. I discovered early that 2^(2n)-1 was divisible by 2^2-1 and 2^(3n)-1 was divisible by 2^3-1. That’s how i checked my work.
@Takame9
@Takame9 29 күн бұрын
I asked myself this exact questions a few years ago during a calm shift, and came up with 3 solutions, two of them being those you present (but I cannot remember the third)! My favourite one was using base b. Love those kind of reflections, great video
@kenhaley4
@kenhaley4 29 күн бұрын
Very nice! I love these kinds of insights. I'll never forget this little gem now.
@bighammer3464
@bighammer3464 29 күн бұрын
Pick any number but irrationals don’t work. He really Mat Parkered those instructions.
@QuantumCurvature
@QuantumCurvature 5 күн бұрын
Actually, irrationals DO work, depending on your definition of divisibility. No matter the number, b^n - 1 can always be factorized as (b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + ... + b + 1) * (b - 1). If you divide by b-1, you're left with just the b^(n-1) + ... + 1 term, whose representation in base b is always just 111...111. Thus, in base b, the resulting number is always an "integer" even if b itself is irrational.
@twojuiceman
@twojuiceman 29 күн бұрын
If I remember correctly, putting maths in an unusual context because it tells you something about how the formula was derived, was exactly the sort of thing you were arguing _against_ in your tau vs pi smackdown with Steve Mould lol. I'd love to see a tau vs pi rematch with the two of you
@hiccupwarrior89
@hiccupwarrior89 29 күн бұрын
W pfp
@samueldeandrade8535
@samueldeandrade8535 29 күн бұрын
Oh my Euler, you are ins4ne.
@Anonymous-df8it
@Anonymous-df8it 27 күн бұрын
It's on Numberphile
@robinsparrow1618
@robinsparrow1618 29 күн бұрын
love the jab at amazon right at the end!
@heighRick
@heighRick 29 күн бұрын
Matt releasing the video I didn't think I needed today. Thanks, helps a lot!
@ottertvmtg6229
@ottertvmtg6229 29 күн бұрын
i picked b=900.1 it wasnt an integer, but it still worked
@enderyu
@enderyu 29 күн бұрын
No it doesn't work?
@kilroy1964
@kilroy1964 29 күн бұрын
Nope, it doesn't. I think b has to be a natural number greater than 1.
@nathangamble125
@nathangamble125 29 күн бұрын
No, it does not still work. (900.1^2-1)/899.1 = 901.1. If it works the end result will be an integer.
@QuantumCurvature
@QuantumCurvature 5 күн бұрын
@@nathangamble125 But it IS an integer, so long as you are working in base 900.1, in which case the answer is 11.
@nattyzepko167
@nattyzepko167 29 күн бұрын
That is GENIOUS! The base transformation is just so simple, I love it so much! I'm going to show everyone I know
@_notch
@_notch 29 күн бұрын
Oh wow, that second proof is incredible
@dannysharpe6119
@dannysharpe6119 29 күн бұрын
Great work Jess! I’ve just run my first marathon and looking for inspiration for what to do next. I think you’ve inspired me to have another go at running a sub 45 minute 10k. I was 12 seconds short at last year’s Run Norwich… so have my goal for this September! 🤞
@vincentlevarrick6557
@vincentlevarrick6557 25 күн бұрын
This. *This* is my favourite comment on a maths video. 😁
@frenchertoast
@frenchertoast 29 күн бұрын
I like it when Matt does a video on a topic I fully understand, it makes me feel much smarter than I actually am.
@mthielssalvo
@mthielssalvo 29 күн бұрын
Brilliant video - the first proof came to mind immediately but the second one blew me away! Just pre-ordered the book because trig is my favorite, and also because the UK cover is much better than the US cover. (That being said I do hope there's significant respect paid to our friend the unit circle!)
@MartyR-nm8nf
@MartyR-nm8nf 8 күн бұрын
3:45 s'all about dat base 'bout dat base no treble
@nickkirkpatrick396
@nickkirkpatrick396 28 күн бұрын
This my friends, is a classic old school standup maths. Well done, Matt!
@adityavardhanjain
@adityavardhanjain 28 күн бұрын
This video is so cool. Need more of such short fun videos.
@artemisSystem
@artemisSystem 27 күн бұрын
In the introductory logic course at my university, an exercise in the book is to prove 6^n-1 is divisible by 5, by induction on n. I discussed it with some other students and we realized it works for any base
@robertdarcy6210
@robertdarcy6210 27 күн бұрын
Even better, (x^n - y^n) is divisible by x-y
@bigjukebox3370
@bigjukebox3370 29 күн бұрын
what a neat way to look at the problem!
@9darkspells
@9darkspells 29 күн бұрын
the revelatory feeling of understanding I got out of this was so incredibly unique. Exactly the feeling that I always am seeking when working in math or programming.
@LeeSmith-cf1vo
@LeeSmith-cf1vo 29 күн бұрын
I love how intuitive the 2nd proof is (as long as you understand bases)
@keyem4504
@keyem4504 28 күн бұрын
That's a great technique. Maybe it'll come handy for other stuff as well. Loving it.
@thentoxd
@thentoxd 28 күн бұрын
I literally tried this problem yesterday from the Stanford Maths Problem book, and the next day BANG a video from the man himself.
@platinummyrr
@platinummyrr 29 күн бұрын
Matt Parker: "Now, I don't think anyone's ever used base 440 before" Domotro: *exists*
@phiefer3
@phiefer3 29 күн бұрын
As others have pointed out, there are several other ways to prove this. One that I thought of is using modular arithmetic. If a=b-1, then b=a+1, which means that b is congruent to 1(mod a), and because you can multiply remainders this means that b^n is congruent to 1^n (mod a), or in other words b^n is 1 more than a multiple of a.
@RexxSchneider
@RexxSchneider 29 күн бұрын
Surely if you consider b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + ... + b^2 + b + 1, and multiply it by (b-1), you get (b^n + b^(n-1) + ... + b^3 + b^2 + b) - (b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + ... + b^2 + b + 1). It should be pretty clear that the expression collapses to b^n - 1 since all the other terms are both added and subtracted. So (b-1)(b^(n-1) + b^(n-2) + ... + b^2 + b + 1) = b^n - 1. A rather trivial result, IMHO.
@calvinrollins4957
@calvinrollins4957 29 күн бұрын
Haven't watched the video yet, but since I use different bases often enough I notice that in base n any exponent of n would always be a 1 followed by a given number of zeros and subtracting 1 from any of those numbers would give you a series of (n-1) and thus be factored easily into (n-1)(1111...) so yeah that makes a lot of sense that (b^n)-1 would be divisible by b-1
@amethystklintberg7436
@amethystklintberg7436 26 күн бұрын
YEEEESSSS!!! Did you overhear my meeting with my academic supervisor a few months ago? This is so validating! I told him it’s so easy to see divisibility when you write the Mersenne number (2^mn)-1 in binary and then just look at the number! You can see so much by just looking at it! (The string of mn 1s is divisible by a string of n 1s, so the original is divisible by the smaller Mersenne number 2^n-1, and this is why a Mersenne number with a composite power can never be prime.) His reaction was that the difference of powers formula is an easier proof, and my immediate reaction was just 👀 Big lesson for me: translate concepts into what’s most familiar to my audience! And, in the academic community, that means translating my visuals into familiar formulas!
@Packbat
@Packbat 26 күн бұрын
I had to pause at 3:47 to process just how patently obvious the result just became. That's so good.
@LukeNAndo
@LukeNAndo 20 күн бұрын
Wow I love that! The initial proof confirms to me that it works, but the second proof shows me how it works!
@palpatinewasright
@palpatinewasright 29 күн бұрын
I feel so pleased I worked this out while the video was running! I paused the video as requested, and tried this with b=10, saw lots of 99999s and had to leap from the bathtub and run down the street shouting "BASES! BASES! BASES!!"
@EmilJ-gx3et
@EmilJ-gx3et 29 күн бұрын
By induction: 1. for n=1 the equasion holds true as b-1=0(mod b-1). 2.We need to show that If b^n -1 = 0 (mod b-1) then b^(n+1)=0 (mod b-1) Here is the proof: b^n-1=0(mod b-1)b^(n+1)-b=0(mod b-1)b^(n+1)-1=0(mod b-1)
@arandomdiamond2
@arandomdiamond2 29 күн бұрын
I went ahead and tried it myself geometrically before watching this video. Obviously I can't imagine more than 3 dimensions but I can take a length of boxes and make a square or cube out of them. Then I reframe b as a=b-1 and then the question becomes "Why does squaring or cubing a+1 then subtracting 1 leave a mass that is divisible by a?" That way, I can see the original square from a and then the extra bits at the ends from the a+1 and of course there is always an extra box in a corner that doesn't fit in the other sections. And with that understanding, I can easily prove this for higher dimensions too.
@arandomdiamond2
@arandomdiamond2 29 күн бұрын
Actually same idea as the second proof, we even both reframed as a too.
@soyalguien335yt4
@soyalguien335yt4 23 күн бұрын
Induction: b-1 divides (b^1) -1 = b-1 Let's assume b-1 divides (b^n)-1 = k b^(n+1) = b^n * b = (k+1) b = kb + b We need to prove b-1 divides b^(n+1)-1 = kb + b -1 And since b-1 divides k, b-1 divides kb, and b-1 divides b-1, we proved b-1 divides kb+ b+1 which equals to b^(n+1)-1
@hyperbaroque
@hyperbaroque 21 күн бұрын
Discrete Math ftw.
@adamluhring2482
@adamluhring2482 27 күн бұрын
The n=2 & n=3 cases have a very satisfying visual proof for this.
@saavyk1264
@saavyk1264 29 күн бұрын
That second method was just beautiful. Beautiful. Wow.
@namkromh6381
@namkromh6381 29 күн бұрын
I love this. As soon as I heard base B, I knew where it was all going. Lovely
@Akolyx
@Akolyx 29 күн бұрын
OK, I was surprised by the title, but the proof! That's very cool! I don't know any other example of using every number as a base for solving a problem, so that makes it much cooler. Might want to try giving this as an exercise in understanding the bases.
@tttITA10
@tttITA10 29 күн бұрын
Both of these proofs are so infuriatingly simple, I love it.
@marcvanleeuwen5986
@marcvanleeuwen5986 29 күн бұрын
The most standard way to test divisibility by m it to compute modulo m. And indeed working modulo b-1 we just get 1^n-1=0, which is even more trivial than your base b approach. Also you might recall the formula for the geometric series 1+b+b^2+...+b^{n-1} = (b^n-1)/(b-1) which implies this divisibility.
@andrewdenne6943
@andrewdenne6943 29 күн бұрын
another interseting way you can prove it (It might be the same method and I just got confused) is to start with a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b=a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b then change the start to a 1 1+a^1+a^2+...+a^b=a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b then move it over and factorise (a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))a=a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^b-1 (a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))a-1(a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))=a^b-1 (a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1))(a-1)=a^b-1 a^0+a^1+a^2+...+a^(b-1)=(a^b-1)/(a-1) you get the original equation the cool thing about doing it this way is you can also do if you start with a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc)=a^(0c)+a^(c)+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc) and do the same process 1+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc)=a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc) (a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c))a^c=a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc)-1 (a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c))a^c-(a^(0c)+a^c+a^(2c)+...+abc-c)=a^(bc)-1 (a^(0c)+a^(c)+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c))(a^(c)-1)=a^(bc)-1 a^(0c)+a^(c)+a^(2c)+...+a^(bc-c)=(a^(bc)-1)/(a^(c)-1)
@felixmerz6229
@felixmerz6229 28 күн бұрын
Woah, that's such a cool proof. So simple and approachable.
@christopherwork9676
@christopherwork9676 18 күн бұрын
My approach was to rewrite b^n as ((b-1)+1)^n and look at binomial expansion using Pascal's Triangle. Treat (b-1) and 1 as the two terms in a binomial. b^n = (b-1)^n*1^0 + ....[several terms with some power of (b-1) in them]....+(b-1)^0*1^n So the +1 at the end is the only term in the binomial expansion without (b-1) as a factor. Subtracting 1 leaves only numbers divisible by (b-1). From here you can generalize it to (b^n-a^n)/(b-a) is a whole number. I love Pascal's Triangle for approaching problems where you want a generalization for any power. It can be used to prove the power rule for derivatives (for positive powers at least). The derivative of x^n can be found in the second number in the nth row of Pascal's Triangle if you do a binomial expansion of the numerator of lim as h->-0 of [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h for f(x)=x^n and then cancel every remaining h.
@highlandyeoman
@highlandyeoman 29 күн бұрын
Awesome video Matt! I found it was easiest to build intuition for this problem by visualizing the n = 2 and n = 3 cases. If we draw a b x b grid and remove the top right corner, it's pretty easy to see that the remaining cells are a b-1 x b-1 square starting in the bottom left, a b-1 row at the top, and a b-1 column on the right. And the 3-d version just scales each of these pieces up - there's a b-1 x b-1 x b-1 cube, 3 b-1 x b-1 squares, and some b-1 columns and rows. (that said, I'm pretty sure this is entirely analogous to your base-b approach)
@androidlogin3065
@androidlogin3065 27 күн бұрын
Very beautifull proof, easy to do and obvious proof, just what i like the most. But not so easy to think on it, without any external help.
@tszhin814
@tszhin814 29 күн бұрын
I am so glad I stayed through this video. I was like yeah yeah yeah roots and stuff, then BAM! That was MAGNIFICENT❤
@eli0damon
@eli0damon 29 күн бұрын
If you look at b^n-1 as an integer polynomial in b, it's factors have a really interesting structure. Each positive integer has a corresponding polynomial (call it p_i), and b^n-1 is the product of p_i(b) for each factor i of n (and a minus sign). For example, b^4-1=-(1-b)(1+b)(1+b^2)=-p_1(b)*p_2(b)*p_4(b) and b^6-1=-(1-b)(1+b)(1+b+b^2)(1-b+b^2)=-p_1(b)*p_2(b)*p_3(b)*p_6(b) .
@bobthegiraffemonkey
@bobthegiraffemonkey 29 күн бұрын
As a speedcuber and having solved 4d and 5d cubes, i very quickly understood it geometrically. Very closely related to the second proof. Helped that i picked 6 which is small and easy to visualise.
@ThatShushi17-mc7ct
@ThatShushi17-mc7ct 29 күн бұрын
I've always thought about the factors of consecutive numbers, but only now after you said it did it become obvious to me why they wouldn't have any.
@quintopia
@quintopia 28 күн бұрын
The second way is the way I've always thought about it, but I liked the simplicity of the first proof.
@MitchBurns
@MitchBurns 24 күн бұрын
I literally figured this out very recently when trying to fall asleep at night. Figuring out things like this is my version of counting sheep.
@ktkrelaxedscience
@ktkrelaxedscience 17 күн бұрын
Awesome. 😃 Sharing it at once. 👍
@dbrunnermusic
@dbrunnermusic 29 күн бұрын
There's a geometric proof too. It's hard to describe in words because it's geometric, but I'll give it a go. If it sounds complex in the general case, picture it with n=3. Let's start by defining a "nibbled hypercube". Start with an n-dimensional hyper-cube with side length b. Take a little bite out of one corner - a hyper-cube with side length 1. The volume of this is just the volume of the original cube, minus the volume of the nibble, i.e. b^n - 1. Now, on a face which touches the nibbled bit, shave off a width 1 slice of the hyper-cube. Since it has width 1, the volume of this slice is the same as the (n-1)-dimensional volume of the "face" of the slice. And that face is an (n-1) dimensional nibbled hypercube. Its volume is b^(n-1) - 1, and by our inductive hypothesis, that is divisible by b-1. Having shaved a width-1 slice off our original nibbled cube, what we're left with is a hyper-rectangle. The side perpendicular to the slice has length b-1, so the volume of this is also divisible by b-1. Since we've shown that an n-dimensional nibbled hypercube can be broken into a two shapes whose volumes are both divisible by 1, we know that the it's total volume, i.e. b^n 1, is divisible by n-1.
@dbrunnermusic
@dbrunnermusic 29 күн бұрын
PS I didn't start by thinking in n-dimensions, I'm not a genius! I started in 2-d, then thought about 3-d, and fortunately that was enough to see how the generalisation would work :)
@pranaypallavtripathi2460
@pranaypallavtripathi2460 29 күн бұрын
Loved the second proof 👍
@seizan88
@seizan88 29 күн бұрын
I love this 😂❤ it makes me feel smart despite not doing anything, really
@BrettDalton
@BrettDalton 27 күн бұрын
Love it... That is beyond elegant
@cdsmithus
@cdsmithus 27 күн бұрын
Two more proofs: 1. Work in mod (b-1). b is congruent to 1, so b^n is congruent to 1^n, which is also 1. Since b^n is congruent to 1, b^n - 1 is congruent to 0, so it's divisible by b-1. 2. By induction on n. If n = 0, then b^0 - 1 = 0, which is divisibly by absolutely anything. But if b^(n-1) - 1 is divisible by b-1, then there's some a where b^(n-1) - 1 = (b-1) a, so b^n - 1 = (b - 1) b^(n-1) + (b^(n-1) - 1) = (b-1) b^(n-1) + (b-1) a = (b - 1) (b^(n-1) + a).
@electricportals3644
@electricportals3644 26 күн бұрын
b-1=a b^n-1=(a+1)^n-1 All terms in the polynomial have a as a factor therefore the number is divisible by a. I usually think of these problems using convenient bases but I found my method simpler
@alansmithee419
@alansmithee419 23 күн бұрын
My thinking: You have a number b. This is of course 1 more than a multiple of b-1 (specifically 1 more than b-1 itself), which I will call A. If you multiply a number that is 1 more than a multiple of A by m, you get a number that is m more than a multiple of A, which if m is greater than A is also m mod A greater than a multiple of A. So if you multiply b by itself, you get a number b bigger than a multiple of A, so the resulting number must be b mod b-1 = 1 more than a multiple of A. If you multiple this by b you can go through the same logic as in the last step, and so on. So b^n is always 1 more than a multiple of b-1, or b^n-1 is divisible by b-1.
@divVerent
@divVerent 28 күн бұрын
My favorite way is still rephrasing with a substitution a=b-1: b^n - 1 = 0 (mod b-1) (a+1)^n - 1 = 0 (mod a) At this point you either know modular arithmetics, replace by 1^n - 1 = 0 (mod a) - or you don't, and you expand that power into a^n + whatever a^(n-1) + ... + whatever a + 1 where all the whatevers are binomial coefficients, and you are done too.
@ai22sbro
@ai22sbro 29 күн бұрын
You can also think of it geometrically as a square/cube of side b where you remove one corner. You're left with b rows of b-1, and a remaining column of b-1 (in the cube instance this also leaves b squared "depths" of height b-1).
@Adamdun11
@Adamdun11 29 күн бұрын
A neat mental visualisation for this I always come back to for this (which is basically just the (b - 1)(b + 1) solution) is I imagine a grid of n x n dots (I’ve used the neodymium magnetic balls), remove the top row and append it as a new column. You should have a grid of (n - 1) x (n + 1) and one ball overhanging. This shows that for any n^2 - 1 the value is technically divisible by both (n - 1) as Matt showed, but ALSO (n + 1). Again, this is just the original proof but I always think of it as a nice, practical representation of it :)
@NeoJackBauer
@NeoJackBauer 29 күн бұрын
Love this!
@flinkbeder
@flinkbeder 29 күн бұрын
Surprised you didn't mention that x^n-1 can be factored into (x-1)(x^(n-1)+x^(n-2)+....1). Is that the same as the polynomial root fact you mentioned?
@joeeeee8738
@joeeeee8738 29 күн бұрын
Finally background noise while talking and not uncomfortable silence Matt !!
@ThaOnlyHatman
@ThaOnlyHatman 28 күн бұрын
I thought about it before you started explaining and came up with this: a = b-1 b^n = a*b^(n-1) + b^(n-1) b^5 = a*b^4 + b^4 b^4 = a*b^3 + b^3 b^3 = a*b^2 + b^2 b^2 = a*b + b b^1 = a*b^0 + b^0 = 1 We see that the rest we get when dividing b^n with b-1 is ultimately 1. Therefore removing 1 from the original b^n will give us a number divisible by b-1. Hope this makes sense!
@sergiohernandezdiaz6032
@sergiohernandezdiaz6032 29 күн бұрын
Ordered my copy of the book!
@azrobbins01
@azrobbins01 29 күн бұрын
I like it! Makes total sense when you see what is going on!
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