When Charismatic Teachers Get Christ and the Trinity Wrong: With Chris Rosebrough

[@LongforTruth1]

If you guys want two great lectures from Chris, I put two links in the description. The first deals with the history of the "Purpose Driven Movement." The second deals with Kenotic Christology.

[@metapolitikgedanken612]

While an important subject it isn't subject, it isn't only the Super-Charismatic fellows that get the trinity model wrong. The reason is always the same They do not have the Spirit of Truth and hence people will glide away from the truth. No humane theology can fix it. Now they can see the errors of the other guys, but they don't see the errors with themselves. (We are all like this at some stage, when not being in the Spirit of Truth).

[@quietday2]

Thanks for info on communitarianism. I want to know more and will listen to Chris’s lecture. I do want to know more about how this idea came from Germany (?) and crossed over to the U.S.

[@KingdomBuilders23]

I enjoy both your channels but if we are pointing out the wrong theology of other Pastors I must point out that your guest said “A doctor can kill you but a Pastor can send you to Hell” Luke 12:5 No Man has the Power to send us ANYWHERE! To God be the Glory.

[@metapolitikgedanken612]

@@KingdomBuilders23 ​ "but a Pastor can send you to Hell" Indeed they can not. But what they can do is priming you for it. They can indeed lead you astray and often many of them are deceived to do exactly that. It's a bit like in Mt 23:13-15 and surrounding areas. If the fundamentals aren't they and they spin their own story (not always visible).. Look for another group. But I think that one needs to be rather clear on what to look for. Do they give full gospels. Are signs visible? Now there is groups, that don't have signs yet, but than they should at least have gospel for starters and no excuses why they have not.

[@Norrin777Radd]

Roger Olson, Cherith Nordling, and the late Gordon Fee, Walter Martin, and Gerald Hawthorne all give excellent teaching on Kenotic Christology.

[@woodand]

also note. my schoolboy chemistry tells me that Dry Ice is not H20... its frozen C02..

[@derickrae]

Came here to say this. He's wrong theologically and scientifically.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Details, details 🤷🏻‍♂️😬

[@DoctrinalDetox]

I was thinking the same thing 😂

[@tonyrobbins1665]

Wowaweewa !😳

[@marknasia5293]

i am sorry i reposted your fact without checking to see if anyone had posted if 1st. Yes, imagine how many this just slipped by without a thought. God permits us to see false teaching, even this false teacher is making it obvious.

[@drowningnotwaving]

My 2 favourite preachers on one screen! The goatee brothers! 😂 You both have deepened my waining faith with your words. Thank you and God bless both of you. 😊

[@KB084]

The goatee brothers 😂😂😂 love it!

[@judylloyd7901]

...waning* faith...😊😊😊

[@pattypuser2459]

The collaboration was wonderful. Thank you!

[@cheryl8572-e4j]

I’m trying (with the help of the Holy Spirit!) to undo all the wrong Pentecostal and charismatic teachings that I’ve wrongly accepted as truth- It is my sincere desire to be a faithful disciple of my Savior Jesus Christ! I’ve asked Father God to lead me into His truth and I trust Him to lead me closer to His heart!

[@TimothyWhelly]

My wife continues to believe some of their teachings. My son has fallen prey to Craig grochel teaching. Sad

[@metapolitikgedanken612]

​@@TimothyWhelly The problem is that they are mixing true statements with false ones, but mostly give true statements a spin that they shouldn't have. Their opponents often aren't better than that. So that creates a bit of cognitive dissonance with people. The prospel-charismatics try to postulate the Holy Spirit into anything that seems to be exiting. While the Cessationist camp simply assumes it into anyone that agrees with them on their key postulates. Both assumptions can be untrue an are even likely to be untrue. An there is even a common denominator between the two camps. And that is their idea that because they profess faith (according to their own idea), they are sufficiently equipped to receive the Holy Spirit and to walk in the Spirit. Well, that's not what the apostolic letters say neither is it what Christ taught in the gospel-texts. You have to subtract important parts of the text. Key issue there is ignoring the requirement to have 'died with Christ'. To crucify the passions of the Flesh with Christ. Because this is required to become part of the resurrection. First an Foremost spiritual resurrection. When it says 'Faith comes by hearing'. The preacher must have the Holy Spirit himself. Otherwise even formally true statements aren't to any avail. The thing is that those matters aren't really investigate thoroughly. The assumption is that 'We are goo Christians' so, even if we are not perfect, God will still bless our ministry. Well, not so fast. If that is true, why are there so many ministries an churches that go into a wrong direction? Now to the secular audience this will look like that the Gospel is entirely useless, using the Christians as an argument against Christ.

[@RobTheTruth]

I pray for you I left one also . I didn't agree with thier nonsense and was asked to leave

[@metapolitikgedanken612]

@@RobTheTruth They don't like disagreement. But one should indeed leave, if one detects persistent false teaching and deception. Rather sooner than later. Although this isn't always easy. The falsehoods are often veiled and you need analytical skills to see the contradictions there. As well as the Spirit of Truth of course, but they will hinder exactly that and try to put you 'under a power'. People than go into compliance or backsliding. The compliant affirm the supposed rightness of the teaching, while the backsliders aren't believed. Well, leave. Try finding a better ministry. From experience I know that this isn't easy at all.

[@amandahuntsman9276]

Amen🙏👏 and me as well.

[@green8868]

Thank you for your efforts time and words. From New Zealand. All love to the Lord, and blessings to our brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ 🙏😇💙😊

[@salgar1234]

Hey fellow Kiwi. I hope you’ve found a biblically sound church.

[@judylloyd7901]

Yep, Kiwi here, watch both of these guys frequently 😊😊😊

[@matthewmattson7584]

I agree, when I was a child growing up in a Baptist church, an egg was used in Sunday school to help describe the Trinity! I learned later to stop trying to explain the Trinity, but that I can teach it as scripture says even though the word “Trinity” isn’t in scripture! This way removes all risk of speaking error.

[@Dilley_G45]

It also helps to know what the trinity is NOT. We had several heresies already dealt with by old Church councils. A lot of modern heresies are just warmed up old heresies already condemned. Like Modalism

[@lauriecollins7312]

1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” King James Version (KJV) 😊

[@matthewmattson7584]

@@lauriecollins7312 Amen

[@woodand]

two of the finest , holiest beards on KZbin. !! keep up the good work - we from Wales salute you !

[@karenlippett4342]

Lovely to see someone from Wales. We are from Oswestry. Blessings to you and your family.

[@danielcguy]

Haha agreed

[@CaroleImani]

They (Chris and Dan) look like Amish married guys (or Old German Baptist Brethren married guys)😮.😅.❤

[@JimiSurvivor]

@@CaroleImani Don't say that after the thousands Mennonites and Anabaptists that were brutally killed by their patrIarch Martin Luther

[@zacharyhoffman2731]

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

[@gimel77]

Yes, notice he didn't say "God the Son is sharper than any two-edged sword."

[@matthewmattson7584]

Dry Ice is Solid Carbon Dioxide! 😳

[@bobc1631]

I wonder how many people in that crowd figured that out.

[@samuelflores1419]

​@@bobc1631None! 😂

[@marcellespencer124]

So true not one of them is a teacher in that crowd. 😂😂😂I 🇬🇧🇯🇲​@samuelflores1419

[@JimiSurvivor]

@@samuelflores1419 How do you know this?

[@bobcolby5607]

Two of my favorite people. Dan you are laser focused on the truth and your disgust for the false teachers of the word of faith/charasmatic movement

[@CaroleImani]

Charismatic...

[@JimiSurvivor]

Dan's "laser" is way off course

[@robine1018]

Thank you, Daniel and Chris for speaking the truth of Gods Word. I grew up Pentecostal, believing all the lies. God started turning me around in my 30s. I’m so grateful, because I was still raising my children and now they know sound doctrine, involved in ministry and sharing the gospel. My youngest is 19. They love watching you guys with me and so does my husband.

[@Post-Trib]

Oneness pentecostal or Assemblies of God? The trinity is pagan and man-made doctrine

[@4pearl]

​@@Post-Tribcan you explain that?

[@TheMik579]

Praise God! He is rescuing His people from Pentacostalism. 🙌

[@Post-Trib]

@@4pearl it was Tertullian who coined the word trinitas and formulated the doctrine of the trinity. The Nicene Council voted it into their religion in 325AD. Not 1 prophet or apostle in the Bible ever spoke of God as a trinity. Not even God himself.

[@samuelflores1419]

​@@Post-Trib too funny 🤣 Try doing just a small amount of Real Research and you might stop writing this Lie! muslims say the same thing, go figure!

[@El.savedbyJesus]

Dan & Chris thank y'all so much for continuing to call out these teachings.

[@barbaraburke1676]

Amen and thank you Brother Daniel and Brother and Pastor Chris. God bless you both.

[@kimber9000]

Thank you! The conversation is edifying and informative. Thank you for the way you both bless the body of Christ!

[@markbarrett4482]

Wow! This is staggering. Pastor Chris, I am praying for you, brother. Keep fighting, brother. Stand your ground and hold the line!

[@krzz1]

I am glad that as a Lutheran we proclaim the Athanasian Creed on Trinity Sunday. I've heard so many bad analogies about the Trinity (and unfortunately used them myself), which are given out of good intentions to "make it easy". Thank you for this video and teaching.

[@Drowning_Girl]

What is that? The Athansian Creed?

[@knockoutfever4]

Sadly, Lutherans are heretics as well. They don’t understand the early church and ecumenical councils.

[@gimel77]

And that's why Lutheranism and other Protestant denominations are daughters of the harlot Church of Rome (see Revelation 17-18).

[@CaroleImani]

It is like The Apostle's Creed (Except different) I guess that's putting it mildly😅

[@JimiSurvivor]

Why do the Lutherans on this site deny that man is tri-partite even though Martin Luther TAUGHT IT. If Luther is not REALLY your teacher why PERPETUATE THE PRETENCE that he is?

[@SalvationSoulBeautiful]

Bravo Brother Danny and Pastor Chris Bravo great video we appreciate you both very much ❤God bless you and your family🙏🙏🙏

[@Paoletta7]

God bless you Daniel, Robin, pastor Chris

[@Paoletta7]

Thanks to God for this brothers and Sister in Chirst​@@bronzewing1965

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Kevin Zadia standing at the front of a Church presuming to teach is an indictment against the Body of Christ 😢

[@ricksonora6656]

A church that tolerates heresy is not part of the body of Christ. Don’t indict the body of Christ for what counterfeits do.

[@Open2Reason]

No, it’s an indictment against the church that gave him a platform.

[@kathleenking47]

Kenny Copeland needs to sit down..... You should memorize doctrine So you wouldn't get into Gnosticism

[@CaroleImani]

Kevin Zadai...❤

[@katherinebangle540]

Thank you, Dan and Chris! I am always blessed by your teachings. Much love 🙏❤️

[@valerieb8006]

This is why Theology and Doctrine IS Important...So many of these "teachers" disregard both. Thanks Dan and Chris🙋

[@tomaria100]

Excellent! Thanks, Dan and Pastor Chris!

[@Fairford2001]

Fantastic video. By God’s grace my wife and I left this false teaching 4 years ago. I will say his name - John Hagee. Praise the Lord for a good solid church now!

[@markhaszoe-life6337]

This was very good, I learned good things, Thanks for having Chris on.

[@LionofJudah7771]

Such an important discussion! Thank you brothers.

[@sweersable]

Every Sunday I listen to Daniel an dduring the week to Chris and the messed up Church, Justen Peters. All the way from South Africa. You all are about family! In eternity we will meet.

[@GrantStanley2003]

from Sa too , Cape Town. Its crazy out here. I have noticed that a lot of the pastors down here get their "revelations " or "downloads into their spirit " ,(to be more current), from the sid roth show or trendy prechers from tbn . its utter madness

[@Dilley_G45]

Replace Justin Peters my friend, he is a Calvinist. And add Dr Jordan Cooper to the mix. He is excellent

[@samuelflores1419]

​​@@Dilley_G45 So??? There are many Calvinist who are great expositors of Scripture. They are our brothers in Christ don't ever forget that. Where is the Love???

[@bigtobacco1098]

​@@Dilley_G45muh muh calvinism

[@Dilley_G45]

@@samuelflores1419 The Love for sound doctrine is what keeps me from promoting Calvinism. If those calvinists were great theologians why are they still Calvinists?

[@samuelflores1419]

What can I say but "Great colab" love you both in Christ! God bless you both and your ministry! To God be All the Glory!

[@LarryXLR]

Watching Chris and Danny with their matching beards discussing the Holy Trinity is what I imagine a conversation between the Apostolic Fathers looked like 😂

[@jam1369]

I am SO thankful for you both!

[@joetheboxertkd]

Michael Todd was wrong twice. Once about the Trinity and once about dry ice. Dry ice is CO2 not H2O

[@royrayburn1503]

Michael Todd is just wrong. False teacher, preacher scholar . Just false.

[@JonPaulTovio]

Mike Todd vs H20 - Dry ice is the solid form of carbon dioxide. It is commonly used for temporary refrigeration as CO₂ does not have a liquid state at normal atmospheric pressure and sublimes directly from the solid state to the gas state. It is used primarily as a cooling agent, but is also used in fog machines at theatres for dramatic effects.

[@vettelover695]

Sublimates. Sublimation

[@tjrizzo1619]

The gate is small and the road narrow that leads to life and only a FEW find it. So true

[@Digitalsurfer265]

It makes me happy to see you guys correctly address and these heretics, and teach biblical truths

[@debrametoo1503]

Thank u Chris and Daniel always teach doctrine I personally have learnt alot from you guys and will continue to pray that exposing false teaching will open the eyes and ears of people and they will run far away from these pastors who will lead the to hell as you both mentioned blessings

[@graceijn]

debra ,just read ur bible,Gd is faithful to provide all the truthful doctrine ..the word One,when Jesus says, " i and my Father are One" ,original greek is a plural One! get a greek / english NT

[@shelbybronoske702]

This was awesome, thank you!

[@created_by_the_divine_83]

Awesome video, thanks!

[@meplife7313]

Thanks so much Dan & Chris... really enjoyed your teaching. It's just so sad the amount of heresy being taught.

[@terryjones1718]

That getting it wrong thing goes both ways, sir.

[@ladyesther]

Great content here. Have a good week.

[@treasurevessel]

Thank you Daniel and Pastor Chris for y'all's ministry. Solid, biblically-based and clear edification of the body. Sadly, this is not the norm when there are oceans of heresy on every side of every topic.

[@JimiSurvivor]

Daniel and Chris are Lutheran and Luther was an anti-Semite and a mass murderer of Anabaptists. Does that in any way change your mind about him or are murderers now welcomed into the Kingdom?

[@bevsmith8617]

Wow I’ve learned so much from this. I can’t thank you enough this has really helped me understand more and to develop the right mind set.

[@rhondahart2416]

Thank you Gentleman!

[@clarencewagner1278]

Great job guys enjoy the content

[@ronaldtentschert6876]

Excellent teachings, and please do more of these.

[@EphSBGGSO]

Two observations: Giglio’s BFF is Andy Stanley….what does that tell you? And….Robert Morris is just…so….arrogant.

[@therecoverytabernacle]

Thank you both!

[@jaguar5455]

When Chris referenced the ‘sham-WOW’ analogy; my coffee spewed everywhere 😆😁😂

[@graceijn]

we're not to laugh at herresy ,we're to pray and weep bc many/ most ..will go to hell

[@kenandcarlson6504]

Thank you! The kenotic heresy is invading a lot of churches. It's sad.

[@JimiSurvivor]

The Bible says "Christ EMPTIED Himself:" 6 Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but EMPTIED HIMSELF, TAKING the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death-even death on a cross.… (Philippians 2:6-8) Everything He did starting at verse 7 was part of His "emptying" In what way is what Paul wrote a HERESY?

[@indigenous31617]

Modalism = reasoning on human terms. Trinitarianism = reasoning by scripture.

[@judylloyd7901]

Yeah, except that the Trinity *defies* human reasoning!!!😂😆🤣

[@gimel77]

When you need to use man made terms to explain your doctrine, then you have false doctrine. You know who I'm talking about.

[@garywinslow7595]

false

[@gimel77]

@@garywinslow7595 Why?

[@garywinslow7595]

@gimel77 trinity is not in scripture at all

[@abbzilla56]

Ugh I can barely listen to these false teachers it is so sick

[@watchmen-nehemiah4v20]

Grievous times right now. Father is saying "no more business as usual" guess who these traditions of men and errant ways corrections are going to? All of the body of Christ... That means you, me, the guys here on this channel. No one is exempt. All of us have remnants of errors, disobedience, self justifications, strange narratives of self identity. Father dealing with ALL of this right now. Astounding!

[@Corinthians-kjv]

What's He saying about His word and which ones correct?

[@bigtobacco1098]

Huh ?

[@watchmen-nehemiah4v20]

@@bigtobacco1098 Greetings again. Pray that you may *hear* clearly Jesus voice. Also pray that you understand, trust and are obedient to how The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth. Right now in 2024 we are living in perilous days. A Hallmark of now ( re read Matt. 24 ) is *deception* Safety 🛟 is found in Jesus. You want to do your own thing, live your life according to your preferences that is the extreme danger zone. Our conditioning ( programming ) old ways and coping mechanisms aren't going to work anymore bigtobacco. Something to consider or "Huh?" about. Prayers for you and yours. - Bryan

[@judylloyd7901]

​@@Corinthians-kjv Why do you ask that? Are you looking to prove something negative about those who don't promote KJV-only???

[@bigtobacco1098]

With their extra measure of the holy spirit, visits to heaven and visitations of angels, how can they possibly still be getting theology wrong 😮 ???

[@marjieandrews3598]

Why did Jesus die on a cross for our sins IF He wasn't God in the flesh ? Fully God fully man? 😢

[@JimiSurvivor]

Good point. He had to be both God and man to represent God and man.

[@poochz2]

He had to be the Son of God, not God. It’s a sacrifice, not a suicide.

[@eekebrouwer6557]

I’ve noticed many of the charismatic movement calling Jesus The Father. I heard it confuses many just born again Christian’s as well. Thank you again for sharing these messages.

[@JimiSurvivor]

Doctrine is quite varied among different groups. You cannot assume uniformity where none exists. I agree we must always proclaim the uniqueness of the Son as well as His unity with the father. Still, one name given to the Messiah is "the everlasting Father." 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

[@eekebrouwer6557]

@@JimiSurvivor ’“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.‘ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ’He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.”‘ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭17‬:‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[@gimel77]

@@eekebrouwer6557 "He who hath seen me has seen the Father" "I am in the Father, and the Father in me" "the Father who dwelleth in me, he does the works" "God was in Christ" So as you can see, Jesus can be distinct from the Father and yet be the incarnation of the Father in human form.

[@eekebrouwer6557]

@@gimel77 Hello, that exactly is what was confusing me, but later I understood and understand why Jesus said that. It is the same as Jesus says; ‘I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.’ ‭‭John‬ ‭15‬:‭5‬ In the same way we are in Christ and and He is in us, but we can not say “we are Jesus Christ” but we are in Him and He in us. In the same way He says you have seen The Father but He doesn’t mean “see with the eyes but “see” as see the work The Father does through His Son Jesus Christ. By this He showed them also the importance to watch the fruit, the works more than looking with eyes. They asked Jesus to show them The Father, they want to see The Father with their eyes. He also says “no one has ever seen The Father, but He had seen Him because He comes from The Father who sent Him. ‘On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.’John‬ ‭14‬:‭20‬ ‭NIV‬‬ I hope this will help you too to understand as it helped me. Praise God for His wisdom 🙏

[@pappap1702]

I'm a Father, a Son,an Uncle, a Nephew, a brother and im just one person. The Trinity isnt so difficult to understand.

[@TheCchinc1984]

Not the same. This metaphor is also modalism, as you have different modes that you exist in. You do not exist as each of these titles in the sense where you the father can speak to you the nephew and exist in a different location as an uncle.

[@pappap1702]

@@TheCchinc1984 I understand that. I was over simplifying

[@facepalmingreformer8723]

Having come out of the Charismatic Movement, I would not label Piper as a charismatic. He’s a continuationist. Big difference in practice. Charismatics also don’t consider him to be one of them. He’s far too exegetical and biblical for their tastes.

[@JimiSurvivor]

You may not label Piper a CHARISMATIC but you are not using the word as it is defined according to its historic Greek origins. Instead you are IMPORTING ideas INTO the word from your own idiosyncratic experience. The word charismatic describes a Christian can still receive the supernatural GRACES "charismata" mentioned in the NT (e.g., wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discernment of spirits, tongues, and interpretation of tongues). If Piper believes these gifts still exist then, by definition, he is "CHARISMATIC." A CONTINUATIONIST is someone who believes those gifts DID NOT CEASE in the earliest centuries of the Church. Thus, because Piper believes in the gifts and that they continue he is, BY DEFINITION, both a Charismatic AND a Continuationist. This is a fact regardless of how you FEEL about it or how you WISH it were. We cannot alter reality by altering the words we use to represent them. For instance, you may not CHOOSE to call a rock a "ROCK" but that is what it is, nevertheless. "Charismatics also don’t consider him to be one of them." I believe in the spiritual gifts and I have no problem accepting Piper as a brother in the Lord who also does. Thus your broad sweeping statement that no charismatic considers Piper to be one is also shown to be false. You are just making gratuitous assertions 'He’s far too exegetical and biblical for their tastes.' My problem with Piper is that he is Reformed which no one before the Catholic father Augustine believed until 500 years AFTER the Apostles.

[@facepalmingreformer8723]

@@JimiSurvivor Ha. That’s a lot for a KZbin reply. Good day to you sir.

[@JWParkerPhDDDiv]

I love my analogy for the trinity because it gets the point much closer. I also admit mine is not perfect. I use the federal government as the example. Congress(legislative), the president(executive), & the supreme court(Judicial) are the government. see three distinct entities but make up the whole.

[@gimel77]

Yeah, and I'm sure the members of the Godhead check each other's power, right? What a horrible doctrine.

[@CaroleImani]

How about a Tabby and a Tortoise Shell and a "Tuxedo?"....But all 3 of them are cats?😮😅❤

[@williamspurka221]

There is nothing on earth or vocabulary that can define our God. God is Spirit. Who knows what’s a Spirit? God is Three persons that make up the God head, like a family.

[@catcadenza2493]

I remember at one time hearing the trinity being described as the three parts of an egg. At the time it seemed to make sense then my pastor gave a sermon and explained that was wrong.

[@KJ-lb4tj]

Ok, so explain what both of these are if you will, so that it is helpful to people.

[@Staystrong123]

If God is expressing himself in just one form what happens to the other two? 🤔 ✝️ 💜 🙏 great teaching gentlemen Ty.

[@christabewley]

two of my favourites!! Only request, when someone introduces Chris as being from Minnesota, you have to say it like Chris does... and then gird your loins!!

[@revtom58]

Thank you both for providing clarity on what can often be a confusing issue for many. I came out a church that was mildly charismatic. For the most part their theology and doctrine was ok. But there was a lot of NAR type influences coming in. This sparked a few red flags for me. A few years later, the church reorganized by setting in a new lead pastor, when the then pastor relocated. The former took on the role of providing apostolic oversight. To me, this meant still maintaining his leader role 100 miles away. By the way, the lead pastor happens to be his son-in-law.

[@KJ-lb4tj]

Nepotism is a huge issue in many of these churches. It's not good for genuine accountability. Declaring yourself an apostle in order to keep having control is a definite red flag.

[@NLC0413]

Our pastor says that his job is not to teach us to live but to teach us how he to die. I really appreciate a sound biblical pastor. They are out there y'all. Don't give up looking for a good church.

[@louisem78]

Have any of these (unbiblical) 'pastors' ever read Ephesians 4:30 'Do not grieve the Holy Spirit'???

[@brenmanock]

There's an inverse between biblical literacy and popularity

[@chonkiusmaximus]

I used to watch Michael Todd and he would mock his early preaching days where he would wear a suit, stand at a music stand in a small room, and just preach the word straight from the bible. Fame, fortune and a strong delusion has overtaken this man - I recall a "sermon" where he mentioned meeting Steven Furtick for the first time and that was the moment he started to get famous and his teaching became...whatever the heck it is now. 30 years of false doctrine has been hard to unravel and I'm still working on it, but God is faithful to complete a good work He has started. Soli Deo Gloria

[@joshuamorris9630]

Agree Pastor Teacher Chris Rosebrough Daniel Long to correct , reprove , instruct the written word in the Bible in Christ Jesus

[@darylrahfeldt2162]

One mega church leader I know actually referred to "the collective" to describe the people in the church

[@TB-ps6wc]

The largest congregation in Israel is a charismatic and they also teach modalism.

[@richardvillegas6765]

Loved it, spot on as always both of you...

[@REB65]

👍👍 God bless y’all 🙏✌️

[@garydodson8970]

When speaking of the Kenosis heresy as taught by the Word of Faith, that if all that Jesus did he did as a man and not as God then the bigger problem I have is IF you carry that out to a logical conclusion then it opens the door to the possibility of ANY man in right enough relation with God being able to do what Jesus did. In other words we didn't need a saviour who was divine, but rather merely a man who had a right relationship with God. This is even as they teach in effect...if Jesus did as a man so we could do as He did then why couldn't a man do as Jesus did to defeat Satan? If Jesus did what He did on Calvary ONLY as a man then why couldn't any other man potently do the same thing? If Jesus wasn't divine, or technically acknowledging He was divine with lip service, but didn't walk in His divine nature but merely only his human nature, then potentially what makes Him special above any other man? The idea of Him being fully man and fully God eludes them in that they try to "compartmentalize" his humanity and divinity form one another and somehow empower humanity to the status of what only divinity could have done. This is robbing Jesus of His Divinity and enabling man to do what ONLY God in the flesh could accomplish. If Jesus only did what He did as human, then I see this giving power to the rest of humanity to do the same thing as merely "human" too.

[@judylloyd7901]

Exactly!!! And I have actually heard Kenneth Copeland say that God Himself told him that very thing!!! (Specifically, that he, Kenneth Copeland himself, could have done it!)😳🤯🤯

[@mannyleon2122]

So weary of Christians taking shots at each other. Let’s allow Jesus prayer in John 17 to burn in our hearts. Unify..much of the world is walking towards judgment and we’re straining at gnats.

[@royrayburn1503]

Who said the false Prophets are Christians. Matthew 7 Jesus himself not every who says Lord, Lord will enter God's Kingdom. False Prophets and teachers said but we Prophesied in your name and did signs and wonders in your name. Then Jesus said depart from me you workers of iniquity/ sin Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is not. I'm sick and tired of so called Christians who do not discern the false and declare everyone a Christian without looking at Thier fruit as Jesus taught.

[@GrantStanley2003]

that was michael todd;s best piece of acting by far

[@darlahaines6928]

😉 I finally figured out that Liz Taylor's third husband was a different Mike Todd. 😉

[@Miss.G.H]

Words have meaning! I personally don't give these teachers "I know what they meant" because they have plenty of time to research and choose their words. They need to step down because they don't know/ care about theology or teaching. They are nothing but glorified motivational teachers not Christian Pastors! I thank God for men like Chris who are real pastors and actually care about people enough to study and spend time in God's word.

[@lellyt2372]

I fully accept that there are three persons in the one God almighty, co-eternal and co-equal. Do I fully comprehend it and can I fully explain how it works ? No absolutely not. Does that make it untrue ? No absolutely not 🙏

[@Post-Trib]

Who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?

[@lellyt2372]

@@Post-Trib find out for yourself from someone qualified to tell you. I am just an ordinary Christian woman. Find yourself a learned pastor, a man who can rightly divide the word of God and he will be able to answer your question. Unless of course you are just looking for an excuse to deny the trinity which is why you are asking someone who literally commented that they do not fully comprehend it and cannot fully explain it. Sounds like you want a way to deny rather than information. Be honest in your questions and the Lord God will provide an answer in the form of one of His pastors or teachers. I am not one, just a lowly servant who knows her Master's voice

[@Post-Trib]

@@lellyt2372 I already know the answer. It has to be asked in order to force people who are being lied and lying to themselves that this doctrine is biblical when it's not. Tertullian coined the term trinitas and formulated the doctrine. It's a man-made doctrine. It's pagan, idolatry and the worship of demons.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

It does make the trinity untrue. It also means you're not doing your due diligence. In 1 Thess. 5:21, Paul says that a Christian must prove ALL things. If the trinity is true(and it isn't), then the Bible would mention it and explain how it works. Furthermore, Jesus and Paul wouldn't both be seen saying that Father is greater in authority. The fact that the Father is greater in authority means the trinitarian theory collapses like a house of cards.

[@live2win4freedom82]

Thank you both. I we the world longs for sound doctrine and sound theology. Keep teaching.

[@whip205inthebam3]

I enjoy John Chapter 1 you cant express this any better. Jesus said that "God is a Spirit" he has no flesh and bones.

[@kennywoodall2381]

The water analogy can be confusing. There's an experiment called "triple point of water" that can be all 3 simultaneously. Liquid, solid,gas. Mike Todd may be separating them , therefore teaching modelism. Not 1+1+1 , but triune 1x1x1. Dr Walter Martin discusses this in ("Kingdom of the Cults" part 3) around minute 52.

[@tammywilliams-ankcorn9533]

I’m a trinitarian and have used the water analogy. I didn’t know it could be modalism until about 15 years ago. For me H2O has 3 liquid, solid, vapor-I mean ice not dry ice) in 1 because you have all 3 at the same time and they can interact with each other. If you boil an ice cube you have all 3 states, all the same substance, all equal. It’s not perfect, but I don’t know why it’s modalism. The steam doesn’t cease to exist just because there is liquid in the pot. I think it’s important to be able to explain things to children in a way that makes some sense.

[@kevinevans8892]

Responsible Charismatics like Dr. Sam Storms, Michael Brown and John Piper need to openly correct these aberrant teachings and call out those promoting them

[@stevenlindsey2056]

Sam Storms and Brown are not responsible. They are wolves teaching heresy. They support the worst of the worst heretics.

[@davidgaston6859]

The problem is they aren't responsible. They always throw in the "grace" card when it comes to biblical accuracy with false prophets. Why? Because they are pacifists when they want to be and judgemental towards those who want to hold those false prophets accountable to the Word of God. In my opinion the people you just listed are the most dangerous because they are the "bridge" that holds the Charismatic community up and allows false teachers to walk that bridge over but when someone comes along to dismantle the bridge the trolls that are under the bridge run them away. Those trolls are who you listed. They are double tongued and slick talkers.

[@Dilley_G45]

I thought John Piper was a Calvinist, not a Charismatic? Still wrong but not charismatic

[@bradleybuck9481]

​@@Dilley_G45Piper is both.

[@bigtobacco1098]

No such animal... also tongues today are gibberish and prophets today are 99.9 percent wrong

[@marknasia5293]

dry ice is not H2O, this is why we need real educators in school. Dry ice is solid CO2. Everyone clapping is audibly admitting they know jack about states of matter or the composition of water. He was really excited, imaging how many people around him saw this before he presented it and not one thought, “are you sure the dry ice is H2O?” the fact these guest are not picking up on this is concerning

[@miltondavison-hc4ue]

Use of dry ice to deveive the audience a classic false analogy example.

[@Dave77220]

Thanks for another great teaching video, Pastor Chris and brother Daniel. As you point out, Jesus performed the miracle of changing water into wine as the God-man, since he "manifested his glory". However, I would like your view on the question: what was the role of the Holy Spirit in Jesus' ministry ? Just after his anointing by the Holy Spirit we read in Luke 4 "And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness for forty days, being tempted by the devil". Then later in verse 14 we read "And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee". People will read into this that the Holy Spirit led Jesus and gave him the essential power to perform miracles (refuted in Jean 2:11, as you point out) In Acts 10:38 we read "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.". People will read into this that it was the Holy Spirit who gave Jesus healing power. Apart from these there are very few mentions (see list below) of the action of the Holy Spirit in the ministry of Jesus - it is just kind of assumed by charismatics. So if Jesus' miracles can also be attributed to the Son of God rather than the Holy Spirit, what was the role of the Holy Spirit in Jesus' ministry ? Here is a list of references I compiled regarding the action of the Holy Spirit in the life of Jesus. I couldn't find any more. Mat 1:18-20, Luke 1:35 (conceived by the Holy Spirit) Mat 3:16, Mark 1:10, Luke 3:22, John 1:32 (at his baptism) John 3:34 (God gives the Spirit without measure) Luke 4:1 (filled with the Holy Spirit) Mat 4:1, Mark 1:12, Luke 4.1 (led by the Holy Spirit) Luke 4:14 (in the power of the Holy Spirit) Luke 4:18-19 (the Spirit of the Lord is upon me, quoting Isaiah) Mat 12:18 (I put my Spirit upon him, quoting Isaiah) Mat 12:28, Luke 11:20 (chasing demons by the Spirit / finger of God) Luke 10:21 (rejoiced in the Holy Spirit) Acts 1:2 (gave commands by the Holy Spirit) Acts 10:38 (anointed with the Holy Spirit and power)

[@darylrahfeldt2162]

I just realized that if Dan wore a stetson, he would look like Buffalo Bill!

[@MehitabelAllie]

Don't give him any ideas! 😂😂

[@jeremybrooks7415]

Buffalo Bill or Wild Bill? One is a transvestite serial killer from Silence of the Lambs, the other is a gunslinger killed playing poker.

[@darylrahfeldt2162]

@@jeremybrooks7415 Buffalo Bill from Wild West show fame and buffalo hunting on the prairie in the 1800's

[@philippicmen7558]

Did anyone notice that he said dry ice is also h2o, when it’s frozen co2 🤷🏽

[@quietday2]

Thank you for the link to Chris’s informative lecture “Resistance Is Futile.” I’d like to know more about Peter Drucker’s influence on not only Rick Warren, etc., but now also on the NAR. There is some moving toward emphasizing “community” in my mainstream denomination church, and it seems off but I haven’t understood why. That fascism is totally about the group and individualism doesn’t exist seems to be creeping in. Yet, we are all born as individuals and each of us will die as individuals….

[@judylloyd7901]

Doesn't Rick Warren refer to Peter Drucker as one of his mentors?

[@sweetarrowsevents4567]

Would love for you or Chris to do a video on the subject of why we are only soul and body, not body, soul and spirit. Thanks for all you do!

[@LongforTruth1]

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[@sweetarrowsevents4567]

Thank you!@@LongforTruth1

[@travishicks6693]

Did anyone in the audience notice that dry ice isn’t h20? Dry ice has a completely different molecular structure 😂. And it took actual H20 to make the vapor? 😂

[@samsdad110]

For the most biblically accurate churches, focus on conservative, reformed, Presbyterian churches that adhere to the Westminster confession of faith along with teaching the larger and shorter catechisms from Westminster. You also want one that holds Sunday evening services as well and preferably a senior pastor that has graduated from the sound, reformed seminaryand this may be even published. Very important you get this decision right you don’t even want to get the baptism issue wrong like so many people who go to Baptist churches do ones essentially Baptist without that name on its sign.

[@judylloyd7901]

Billy Graham also taught the "water -ice -vapour" model of the Trinity 😮😮

[@kellyeckert1]

Dry ice isn’t H20, did he fail highschool science?!

[@Corinthians-kjv]

Does he claim to be hearing from the ""Holy Spirit"" also ????

[@ScottFrye000111222]

Because Michael is SO Exciting , millions will follow him into error and heresy . His carnival hit it's recent peak when he committed the BLASPHEMY of Ester 2023.

[@lauriecollins7312]

Frankly was waiting for the glass to break when he poured in water- was disappointed

[@nonconformist9991]

We are all sinners and in our fallen state our theology is flawed as well some more than others. I for one will not put my faith in man but in God his son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit to be my light and truth as best I can and when I fall short of the glory of God I will ask for forgiveness.

[@patriciachaves-wright1944]

Where is Robin? While I thoroughly enjoy your videos I always miss her when she isn’t present! ❤❤❤ Hope all is well 😊

[@THATjeffdelaney]

Everyone's camera color has gotten this unsettling blue tint as of late.

[@Open2Reason]

I was looking forward to Chris stating: “they’re putting the emPHAsis on the wrong syLAble.”😮

[@fidesimatupang]

It's a battle not to see some of these sermon clips and not yell "That's modalism, Patrick!" or something alike

[@Savedbygrace22]

🙄🤬arrrrgh! Heretics aggravate me!! That Furtick quote: My Theology is spot on! Made me laugh out loud

[@Paul8276]

There is a saying, "Shout for all you're worth - argument very weak". That describes what Michael Todd is doing when he is explaining modalism.