"When Did the Jewish People Begin?" Israel Finkelstein

[@joalexsg9741]

Thank you so much for posting the video of this lecture here!!!

[@simpleminder8701]

Finkelstein is a thorough researcher and also a good writer. His books are well worth reading.

[@AtheistEdge]

I just re-read The Bible Unearthed. It's brilliant.

[@jamesdesiun5571]

If doctrine makes you lose sight of religion's objective, Izzy the Fink can put it all in perpective. We love him for very good reasons.

[@bill9989]

The last two minutes of the lecture came as a powerful punch to the solar plexus, late in a grueling boxing match. The ancient Jews were of and arose from the Canaanites.

[@Project_Cy]

DNA shows that modern Palestinians share ancient Canaanite DNA as well.

[@john.premose]

Why should that surprise you?

[@erectilereptile7383]

@@Project_Cya lot of it at that.

[@hobosapien3287]

Finkelstein's logic is impressive and well supported by the evidence but caution beckons us to reconsider at all times.

[@rodneycrute1172]

Any archaeological studies that support your hypothesis? Be useful if you could quote some!

[@judithsanders9801]

It would be great if their were transcripts of Finkelstein's talks and his visual aid posted somewhere online for more leisurely review.

[@judithsanders9801]

Judith Sanders *there*

[@IISHJvid]

The speeches (adapted for publication) are available: secure.aidcvt.com/sbl/ProdDetails.asp?ID=061717P&PG=1&Type=BL&PCS=SBL

[@IISHJvid]

Link to publication also available from iishj.org/colloquium/colloquium-2005/

[@williamwatson4354]

Much of his talk can be found in his book, "The Bible Unearthed." Particularly the section regarding pig bones.

[@InshushaGroupie]

Finkelstein wrote a popular book with N A Silberman called The Bible Unearthed which covers these issues too.

[@nicolasartheau822]

9.24 which amount of people in that time are concerned by this taboo? And what is their way of living ?What is at the same time (which one?) the level of population and civilisation of the surrounding countries?

[@AFRICA4AFRICANS]

Anyone that believes the Torah the Bible is historical fact needs to be question especially their intelligence

[@1allstarman]

The menpta stella states " Isreal is utterly destroyed , its seed is no more " Just saying he left out that part .

[@Arnaere]

It's also listed along with a bunch of other city states.Every single one of them is Sumerian. Israel was originally Sumerian, not Semitic.

[@TheNormm07]

He didnt, you missed the first part of the conference, it's in another video

[@mikethek5494]

The name of God is Not to be spoken. It can written As YWHW, or Yahwah if we ad vowels, or Jehovah as in Johovah's Witness' (God's witness') The old Testament had to be edited to remove polytheistic references. Even then the Old Testament tells us that when Moses came down from the mount his people had built a 'golden calf' to worship. A clear sign that polytheism still existed at that time.

[@MAKDavid-1]

Are a so called Jehovah witnesses?If not it would surprise that you haven’t realised that Biblical God is actually ÉL which is Ugarit and not Jewish who’s relationship to IsRælites is actually problematic.

[@CTechAstronomy]

YWHW was often depicted as a calf or a bull, he is a storm god associated with lightning.

[@vgrof2315]

Thank you. I should really have no interest in the subject, but I like listening to the speaker. He has done a bunch of work and I respect that. It's good to know that there is a pile of fiction and contrivance in the Old Testament.

[@youriyimmek7767]

He talks about the rise of Ancient Israelites, not the rise of the Jewish people

[@mitchbrown9713]

@@sc9478 not the same people at all!

[@jeffmax4108]

@@mitchbrown9713 yeah they are thats where they came from

[@fa9183]

@@jeffmax4108 Yet they can't speak Hebrew.

[@shainazion4073]

@@fa9183 They have prayed in Hebrew for over 3000 years.

[@john.premose]

​@@shainazion4073where's your evidence for that claim?

[@mitchbrown9713]

Where are the descendants of these ancient Hebrew Israelites today?

[@terryseldon7446]

THE CAVES.. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT LISTEN AND FOLLOWED MOSES OUT. THE SMARTEST OF THE GROUP

[@germanmorales6986]

Dr. Finkelstein, I would like you to make a video of your research about the flood...there was a flood or it’s part of the myths...Thanks.

[@tristanburns82]

What is the Israel gods name?

[@mikethek5494]

YWHW, or Yahwah if we ad vowels, or Jehovah as in Johovah's Witness' (God's witness') The name of God is Not to be spoken. The old Testament had to be edited to remove polytheistic references. Even then, we have Moses coming down off the mount to find his people worshipping a golden calf they built. A clear sigh that the Hebrews were not yet totally monotheistic.

[@fa9183]

@@mikethek5494 before humans became monotheistic, they were polytheistic. I'm not surprised relics of polytheism was caught in the bible. Indicators of polytheism are in the Qur'an aswell.

[@Stevie-L-n8g]

@@mikethek5494And El-Shaddai. It is completely possible that these different names were from different gods but were combined along the way. It as originally a polytheistic religion with Yahwe having wife, Ashtoreth.

[@Fan_Made_Videos]

Why are the Phoenicians absent from the Old Testament?

[@Lancet75]

Song of Songs 4:11 Sweetness drops From your lips, O bride; Honey and milk Are under your tongue; And the scent of your robes Is like the scent of Lebanon.

[@Lancet75]

Deuteronomy 1:7 Start out and make your way to the hill country of the Amorites and to all their neighbors in the Arabah, the hill country, the Shephelah, the Negeb, the seacoast, the land of the Canaanites, and the Lebanon

[@weezie808]

Because they know they would also have to explain how every single “religion” was derived from African Spirituality

[@mikethek5494]

The Israelites may have had a different name for the Phoenicians Who were a loose confederation of cities. The Hittite Empire barely gets a mention as a small "Tribe" in the Bible. (This due to poor WiFi at the time.)

[@mikethek5494]

@@weezie808 A bold claim, with nothing to back it up. BTW Cleopatra was a Greek descendent of Ptolamy. The Greek Alexander ( called The Great) conquered Egypt and his generals divided up his Empire and placed Greeks in charge of Egypt. That's why the famous Rosetta Stone had the same thing written in Egyptian hieroglyphics and Greek.

[@PatriciaJackson-s5o]

In the days of Solomon, kings, and Jeremiah chapters 1-3

[@NENDOSIA]

2018 (our year ) - 5780 (jewish year) = 3762 bc the birth of Adam

[@hillbillysceptic1982]

The jewish people bgan when the house of Israel seperated from the house of Judah.

[@shainazion4073]

Actually, when the Assyrians attacked, many ran south to Judea. Jews are Judeans. As explained in The book of Esther, and others.

[@MAKDavid-1]

General issue is a lack of knowledge regarding a pastoral way of life since like many modern people Finkelstein missed the fact that pigs where also herded like sheep and goats with a difference that pigs where a animals that where herded in to a forest mainly of oak trees which if destroyed they could be raised on a fields that replaced forest something that suited sheep and goat herding which by default where not a forest animals. Meaning disappearance of forests my resulted in disappearance of pigs which as such was not a result of religious views meaning the insertion of Jews in that era would have no ground like they connection to IsRælites which where a pastoral,shepherd warrior alliance compared to Jews who’s background is merchant-traders without any traces of tribal,pastoral,warrior origins.

[@helenamcginty4920]

I have come across the information/idea that pigs came to the area probably with Cypriot peoples and were popular along the coast among the poorer people as they could be fed more easily than say sheep Forget the details.

[@helenamcginty4920]

Do you have evidence that the hill country was ever covered in forests? Here in Spain the older dehessa system was that pigs were taken to the hillside forests of holly oaks to fatten on the acorns in autumn. They were then killed and their meat smoked to produce the famous hams. This is also the time of year when special biscuits were made using the lard. These are still a treat sold at this time of year even though the poor pigs are now reared intensively in sheds.

[@UrbanDanceAcademyLA]

Nice try🤣🤣🤣