WHEN DOES THE SPIRIT DEPART FROM DEAD HUMANS & WHAT ABOUT OUT-OF-BODY STORIES?

At what point medically, whenever is a person declared dead, is there anything in the scripture that declares that?
Jewish tradition in Biblical times taught that it's after three days you're officially dead--because at that point the spirit had finally departed from the body.
I always would start with the Bible the only genuine out-of-body experience we have God's record of where actually where someone dies and they get to see heaven and they come back is Paul.
As you know in Acts 14 Paul was stoned and if you know anything about how stoning works--you crushed the head with rocks.
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[@terry-fn9dj]

I can say this. A family member of mine passed away back in the 90's from cancer at 37 and when his spirit was leaving his physical body his face lit up with a huge smile and eyes were huge. I truly believe our LORD and SAVIOR was present in that room and took him home.

[@ariloves10]

So do I 🙏🏼

[@johnhuston650]

Either that or it could be another family member or friend in the spirit.

[@MeanOldLady]

Having been through that experience, it's a lot like getting stoned or being on nitrous oxide - that once the feeling of panicky, impending doom passes, you slowly stop caring about dying & have resigned yourself to it. I thought: "I might actually be dying... & I'm ok with that." Sounds were distant & I experienced specks of light as I was starting to lose consciousness, but just before that happened, my blood pressure stabilized from the salt water I drank 10m before - knowing I was going into hypovolemic shock due to a severe allergy (Alpha gal - from a tick bite). I experienced nothing supernatural, just physical things going on - although I've had 2 incredibly emotional, supernatural dreams when I was a kid.

[@johnevans1969]

There is NO DEATH in Christ. Only life and love eternal with our Father

[@truthmonger7]

The Spirit departs at death. That's what death is. James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, ... If the Spirit is still there, the body cannot be dead.

[@bobbieschendel3144]

So I understand... What I think the person wanted to know is exactly when the spirit departs from a dead body. And other issues, like brain dead. Is that person dead? Is their spirit still there? Things like this, I didnt hear Dr. Barnett address that.

[@thomasprice1320]

​@@bobbieschendel3144 It leaves immediately upon death. I was holding my wife's hand when she flat lined. I felt her spirit leave her body at the moment of death. I felt an electric energy pass from her hand into mine, go up through my arm and exited out the side of my neck. I believe she was telling me goodbye and see you later. This tells me that at death, the spirit leaves the body immediately.

[@bobbieschendel3144]

@thomasprice1320 so is death when you flat line? Is that no brain waves? Thats what Im asking. When does death exactly occur? And can you back up your answer with scripture? Thank you.

[@thomasprice1320]

@@bobbieschendel3144 No, I can't back that with Scripture. Just my personal experience. As I told you, the moment my wife flat lined, which is no heartbeat, I felt my wife's spirit leave her body as it passed from her hand into mine then up my arm and exited through my neck. I've also heard of the brain being active for a short time after death. But the fact I felt my wife's spirit leave her body after no heartbeat proves to me that the spirit leaves the body when the heart stops beating. I can say no more. You can form your own opinion. I experienced my opinion. And, you are welcome.

[@sarahconnor4757]

The spirit can linger outside of the body a few moments or seconds when it leaves in death. Many people report floating to ceiling and seeing everything until they are they are back in the body.. That's how they can recount things that happened in and out of hospial OR or at scene of accident.

[@Birbsarecute16]

I died of heart failure, through starvation, after my last breath, my spirit was hanging atound the ceiling, but my soul was with God. I was up there for a long while, and only came back after a nirse walked through the door. When i was with God, He told me, the entire Bible is real, every word is true, even the demons. I have no idea how long i was up there for, but on my ECG i now have an irregular heartbeat clarifying it was an anteroseptal infarct. I wasnt revived, i was dead dead. Felt my body shut down, saw the golden light, everything. People don't come back to life, after starvation induced heart failure. I weighed about 44kg. I normally weigh 84kg.

[@homegrownson]

Faith is not Belief without Proof, it is Trust without Reservation. I have been fighting Pancreatic Cancer since Jan and the Lord has never left my side, he comforts me and he reassures me so I walk in the Valley of the Shadow of Death without Fear, which is his Will, he has shielded Me from Pain most experience and after a whipple procedure and long Recovery will be one of the Few to Beat this Disease, less then 1 in 5 survive Pancreatic Cancer, I am to be one of those 1 in 5 and use this as a platform to share the Mercy & Grace of his Word and Promises. Grace & Peace to you all, and if so kind Tonight place me in Your Prayers when talking to the Lord in your Prayers this Evening. God Bless

[@DrPrepper13]

Thank you so much for all of your teaching and clarity on so many areas and subjects. Blessings from Northern New Mexico

[@JPGola-n9w]

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[@briantripp5100]

Pray God's hand over them that God will work in their hearts to bring them back to him..... in Jesus name amen

[@ELXABER]

I worked in emergency rooms and held my wife's hand after she'd been resuscitated. If you're there at the time, you'll know.

[@bigal1863]

Excellent excellent excellent

[@jesusisthesonofgod-amen]

Thank you Pastor John for this message.

[@phylliswiebe8155]

Watched my husband’s spirit leave his body the second he stopped breathing, it’s about the size of a hard ball, is so alive, turning and turning, whitish color, then saw it race towards Heaven.

[@PSA3377]

We're in the age of enlightenment . No these things arnt in the Bible. God has lifted the veil for us and I consider it a gift and a privilege fr those of us here , now , to hv things revealed to us unlike no other generation before us . In Revelation it tells us young and old alike will get dreams and visions . I feel bad you downplayed anyone getting visions from our Lord. What a blessing ❤ Thank you Jesus for your word that told us of these days 🙏

[@ArthurWarren-o3t]

I think we all get something new according to the body

[@ArthurWarren-o3t]

1 Corinthians 15:44 my mom is spirit.,..,speaks to me about once a day But like soul.

[@jackiepowell7513]

Heb 1: no dreams, visions, arudy your Bible kjv!!!

[@Deacon_T]

Does the spirit or soul leave the body? Which one first or both at the same time ?

[@dorotheavaillancourt2036]

The very MOMENT the silver chord is broken

[@TammieNagel]

We’ll said, I totally agree. Thank you for this info

[@anniekohler6442]

It happens immediately!!!

[@mosriteminioncause7741]

Jesus brought Lazarus back from the dead....Jesus raised Jairus' daughter ( he instructed the parents to tell no one.) Jesus raised the Widows son in Luke 7 vs 11-17.....When Jesus died, many of the tombs of the believers opened and they showed themselves to family and friends....In Acts Peter raised a woman named Dorcas....and Paul raised Eutychus who had fallen asleep and fell from a window to his death. All returned to life....But these resurrected never gave their "first person accounts" in scripture of their "out of body expeiences."

[@FelixShingleton-l4k]

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[@rahjay00]

I think people who say they went to heaven and back are liars. People who give rapture dreams are liars. If Jesus is the only way to be and how could you be greater than he? If no one knows THE DAY or the HOUR, not even the SON, how the h-ell could you know before his ONLY son?

[@bonniebon7335]

Mark 9:24 addressed the truth of this matter with you, John. “I believe! Help my unbelief!” When I read that verse, I thot what the heck does that man? Yes, even a busy pastor helping people has unbelief. It’s pride and its need to control. Sorry, John. You have a belief problem. That’s not saying every account is legit, but seriously you need to let go of your pride. “Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof.” You diminish the power of my el and I find it offensive and stymieing to the Holy Spirit. We have no control of the adversary’s impact. IT’s not our job to imprison anyone for fear of the adversaries. That’s saying that God isn’t big enough to handle it. In fact,Bible tells us God allows the adversary.

[@altvamp]

In the blood for up to 12 hours, on the breath for 12 to 24 hours, urine for 12-24 hours (72 or more hours after heavier use), saliva for up to 12 hours, and hair for up to 90 days

[@JPGola-n9w]

Why does this video stop abruptly?

[@daveyjuice7710]

Re issued from a few years back maybe 8-10. Probably just shortened.

[@SoniyaMojumder-k3d]

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[@Ken-ly7zh]

colton is going around telling the truth about his father telling him what to say , it was a lie to make money

[@spg77777]

Cognitive dissonance is a warm comfy blanket.

[@thomasprice1320]

Exactly. Ecclesiastes 12:7 tells us that the body returns to dust and the spirit of man returns to the Holy Spirit Father from whence it came. Death and near death is impossible. One can't be dead and near death at the same time. If you had a NEAR death experience, then you ain't DEAD yet. It's just a dream, nothing more.

[@daveyjuice7710]

But most folks don't have pure good spirit. Free will is all that separates the two types of spirit. That's our job to defeat the evil within.

[@toddarcand6002]

The dead know not anything. The soul that returns to the Lord is the Breath, just as in the beginning, the dust of the earth + the breath of life= a living soul. We did not receive a living soul. No such thing as dying and going to heaven or hell right after death. There is no eternity of burning for the wicked. This man agrees with the serpents lie, that we shall not surely die.

[@jeffc5474]

So sad for you in the SDA cult. When you stand in the Great White Throne Judgement you will remember the Words of Jesus to beware the one who can destroy both body and soul. It is even in the Bible. ”And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭28‬ ‭ESV‬‬ ”Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.“ ‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5‬:‭23‬ ‭ESV ”For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption.“ ‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭27‬ ‭ESV‬‬ ”“I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!“ ‭‭Luke‬ ‭12‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬ The Bible proves you are a false teacher to be rebuked and rejected.

[@jackiepowell7513]

His dad coached him. Dense rents!!!

[@buypropertyforreal]

Rubbish.

[@jackiepowell7513]

Charismatics set up i have you don t have crap. Same w Calvinists.

[@albclean]

When my Mother passed away Feb 1st of 2023 at the age of 87 years, I was holding her hand, telling her that I love her I witnessed her last breath and while looking at her face I thought I was seeing two images of her face a few days later after I figured out what I was seeing I think I caught a glimpse of her spirit leaving her body she went home to Jesus so peacefully I'm looking forward to seeing her again! I love you, Jesus, I love you, Mom. I pray Jesus comes soon!

[@NoMoreTears64]

I dont feel he really answered the question. I was almost afraid to listen to this as I wanted to know, but was afraid to hear. My son had a sudden cardiac arrest, 5 months ago. They got his heart started BARELY after trying for an hour and a half. The doctor advised against doing any more CPR if it stopped again because he said it had been too long, that his brain had gone too long without oxygen. So was my son dead at that point? Or did he know his whole family was in the room? Did he feel me holding his hand? Did my son HEAR me whisper "I love you, Tyler. Call to Jesus" and then immediately his heart stop or was his spirit already gone? I want to think he heard me. I want to believe that he chose Jesus in that unconscious state because I believe that GOD is fully capable of reaching into the heart and mind even when a person appears to be "gone" I actually heard Mr. Burpo and his son Colton when they spoke at our church several years ago. I dont believe there is any way we can know for sure what people see or dont see at the moment of death. Death is a mystery to us,but not to Jesus. 😢 In memory of my precious son, Tyler 4/8/94 - 11/8/23

[@dorotheavaillancourt2036]

I believe Your Son definitely heard you & I am positive he knew he was surrounded by family - Scripture teaches the moment the silver chord is broken - your son was not clinically deceased at that time - as a medical professional & Christian - my experiences in this event in life is until that moment that’s when Jesus takes us home🕊💕 Rejoice your son is in the arms of Our Lord & Savior Christ Jesus- We are the ones who are still here on earth who are grieving bc we miss them -

[@judysmith3249]

I know your heartache and pain. My son went to heaven at the age of 29. He was born on my birthday. Soon we will see our sons in heaven.

[@gwynepearson9770]

Paul apparently died and came back to tell part of the story and this gives us hope, praise God. We know from Acts 2: “’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams." So those who have experiences of hell or heaven and it's Biblical, I say Praise God. John Barnett is right, though, there are a lot of people who claim visions and it's not Biblical. As for dying and hearing, my husband was in a coma and wasn't speaking and at one point I asked him if he had any pain, and he answered, "No." I was shocked because he had been seemingly in pain. Then I cited Psalm 118:17, "I shall not die, but live and proclaim the works of the Lord," and to my amazement, he quoted this verse back to me. He died two hours later. I was told by hospice workers, hearing is the last thing to go, so praise God for this hope! I believe Jesus is coming soon for His own and I do console myself with the words Paul told us about in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18. For the dead in Christ shall raise first and then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Comfort one another with these words!

[@NoMoreTears64]

@@gwynepearson9770 The sentence you wrote, "hearing is the last thing to go" brings me more comfort than you can imagine because maybe my son heard me as I was the last one to whisper to him. Thank you for that.

[@yvonnerahui8729]

Firstly..Colton Burpo said:'How do people get to heaven? Jesus said: well Colton if you love me & follow me, you can come to heaven. My dad's ok with that'. I heard this on one of his interviews. I cannot go along with that..because: 1-the Bible says that He first loved us..& 2-its faith that we have to have before love. That's what Paul good news to the Gentiles was..believe..faith. what do we believe..have faith in? Jesus finished work of the cross. His blood shed for us. That's our way to heaven. Through Christ's death..so I think you shoukd tething the Cokton Burpo story. I think he may have some vision or dream & then words were put in his mouth at a young age..

[@corakiart]

Absent from the body present with the Lord.

[@NDE777]

I died 3 years ago and went to hell I was being cooked alive in a giant oven and could hear men and woman screaming and gnashing their teeth as the Bible says and I hadn't read the Bible yet, I cried out for Jesus and he pulled me out of hell. I died again a few moments later on the operating table and went to just outside heaven. God told me don't worry you are going back. I had more of an experience but there isn't enough room here. I believe you as I never ever want to go back to hell again so I am now a Christian and wasn't before. Hell is the scariest most torturous place but the worst part is you cannot feel the presence of God or anything good at all. It is despair, horror, loneliness, pain, darkness. I praise my Lord Jesus Christ daily and have been baptized and am living as a Christian now. If everyone got to have a hell experience I think a lot of people would change there ways for sure. Thank you Lord Jesus for saving me and giving me a second chance!

[@lulupiink6698]

We serve a wonderful & merciful God. Thank you Jesus🤍

[@mbarris]

My Grandmother died for over 40 minutes giving birth to my Dad. She saw Heaven and I grew up listening to her longingly tell me about Jesus and Heaven. I believed her. She died at 96 yrs old and never lost her love of the Lord. You discern the true visits. You discern the false ones.

[@flyinbryan7151]

Well no one is actually in hell, the anti-christ goes first. There’s hades, but it’s not the lake of fire. See Revelations, sorry. I don’t think the fires of hell have actually been lit yet. Sorry.

[@deniseclepper1436]

​@@flyinbryan7151 What about Luke 16:19-26 where Jesus shares the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man opened his up in hell Luke 16:23-24 [23]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

[@FromChainstoGrace]

​@@deniseclepper1436 well said.. I agree

[@WalterHildahl]

Absent from the body is present with the Lord.

[@jackiepowell7513]

Tell.millerites and russellites .....Cessationists..misguided!

[@haraldhartmann4142]

Why didn’ Lazarus tell everyone about heaven after he was dead for 4 days?

[@JRMaranatha2024]

Excellent thought!

[@j.a.c.7191]

I’m going to file this in the I don’t know bucket. Too many believers recount an out of body experience and they were clinically dead! They’ve come back and recounted what they experienced. I agree, the Bible needs to be our final authority, and not an unverifiable experience. However, God can do anything He wants and as long as the account doesn’t contradict the word, it may or not be true. The Old Testament prophets described to their best ability what they witnessed. Ezekiel comes to mind. The Apostle John in revelation described the throne room. His vision lines up with the prophet Ezekiel. Christians that have died and comeback, have no reason to lie.

[@jamescrumbaker3169]

There are verifiable accounts, but you have to accept the evidence based on the words of the witnesses. Clinical death means no brain activity. People coming back from that is a miracle in and of itself. They shouldn't be able to recall anything while out of the body, let alone with any great detail. I don't base my faith on the accounts I hear from those who visited Heaven or Hell. It does give me pause when they come back with a personal experience that relates to struggles I experience. As long as it stays Biblical, I will listen and consider their story to be genuine.

[@j.a.c.7191]

@@jamescrumbaker3169 when it comes to spiritual issues, I try not go beyond what it’s written in the word of God. I find most of these out of body experiences interesting. Some more believable than others, but as I said, I’m putting their stories in the I don’t know bucket. The word “ALL” things are possible with God means exactly what it states. With God nothing is impossible, therefore I try not put God in a box. Knowing full well that He would never contradict His word.

[@jamescrumbaker3169]

@j.a.c.7191 I've had many personal experiences that I don't know what to do with. I have dreams of things that haven't happened yet, and I've been warned of danger ahead of time while driving. I've seen mine and my best friends' kids in dreams. I knew before he did when his wife was pregnant and what they were going to have. I know there are Biblical accounts of stuff like this happening. It's just interesting when it happens to you or someone you know because you know it's true and it happened, but convincing someone else it happened is a whole different ball game 😆

[@justmyopinion7]

According to scripture if you die you are asleep and know nothing until the day of resurrection or judgement after the 1000 years.

[@jamescrumbaker3169]

@@justmyopinion7 Our bodies appear to those who are living to sleep, but our souls are released from our bodies at the time of our deaths and go to one of two places: Heaven or Hell. There are multiple places in the Bible that support this (Luke 16:19-23, Luke 23:43, Philippians 1:23), but there is no support for "soul sleep" in the Bible. The verses that mention "those who sleep" speak only of their bodies, and would be in contradiction to the verses I provided that prove the opposite. Souls do not sleep. Only dead bodies do. Our souls go on.

[@jamesSmith-fl5wv]

At the age of 16, I died and went to heaven. I saw golden light and clouds in a tunnel. I felt the weight of sin come off me, and I had such peace and joy it was a perfect joy. I met my great grandmother, who died 8 years earlier. She said it's not your time, go back. I turned around and felt sin back on me like a heavy weight. Jesus Christ is the truth!

[@kicnbac]

The Bible doesn't talk about a tunnel.

[@jamesSmith-fl5wv]

@kicnbac the Bible doesn't say the word trinity either but its there

[@ts-900]

Something very similar happened to me. I noticed that the tunnel was my memories because Jesus was with me. My great-grandfather died when I was 11 months old, but I met everyone in my family who had died in Christ during my lifetime. We were standing there, right in front of God, and Jesus was there with me the entire time.

[@ts-900]

​@@kicnbac As I said in the other comment, I noticed that the tunnel was my memories. I don't know a better way to put it, but I was my concerned with Jesus since He was with me.

[@pauldennis7357]

Bible doesn't say trinity because its not what you should believe. Only believe what is written. Not what you understand. I hope you are blessed ​@jamesSmith-fl5wv

[@elenamunoz6541]

I will not argue with no one! I testify that I died of an accidental overdose ten years ago. Satan himself came to get me. Took me straight to Hell and tortured but God the Father showed me Jesus whom I called out too. Yes Jesus saved me and God almighty came walking and roared “Send her back down”! Before I left I was taken to Heaven where I saw my Mother surrounded by people in Silhouettes. My mother said “we are all here” “Come back here!” Heaven is real and I will never go to Hell again.

[@annairwin8147]

I TRULY a believe you

[@NDE777]

I died 3 years ago and went to hell I was being cooked alive in a giant oven and could hear men and woman screaming and gnashing their teeth as the Bible says and I hadn't read the Bible yet, I cried out for Jesus and he pulled me out of hell. I died again a few moments later on the operating table and went to just outside heaven. God told me don't worry you are going back. I had more of an experience but there isn't enough room here. I believe you as I never ever want to go back to hell again so I am now a Christian and wasn't before. Hell is the scariest most torturous place but the worst part is you cannot feel the presence of God or anything good at all. It is despair, horror, loneliness, pain, darkness. I praise my Lord Jesus Christ daily and have been baptized and am living as a Christian now. If everyone got to have a hell experience I think a lot of people would change there ways for sure. Thank you Lord Jesus for saving me and giving me a second chance!

[@jimbearone]

The Devil (Satan) does not collect souls to take to hell. This is a place prepared FOR the Devil and his followers. When humans die their consciousness CEASES. The breath of life is stilled and the body dies they do not go to Heaven or Hell until AFTER the day of judgement. A select few were chosen not to die but to be taken to a place of waiting until the final day but everyone else is simply unconscious.

[@Katya-zj7ni]

I live by the second last words Jesus spoke on the cross. He spoke to the “good thief”, He said “Today, you will be with me in paradise”. What a wonderful thing for that man to hear just before he died .

[@jimbearone]

@@Katya-zj7ni There are no Quotation Marks in the original manuscripts used to make the Bible so they were added by translators the text could be interpreted either way.

[@brendamoore4463]

Very good information and very well said. This was extremely useful to something I just encountered. Thank you for all the right answers, I will need to watch this again with a pen and paper. So blessed by your ministry John.

[@janetstotler399]

To be absent from the body, is to be present with Lord. That’s pretty quick. Read your Bible to know you cannot go to heaven and return.

[@ReasonandRevelation]

Misleading title. No discussion of when the spirit leaves the body.

[@DarrylPassow]

You sound like someone who doesnt believe in the Bible. Which says I WILL POUR OUT MY SPIRIT AND THEY WILL HAVE DREAMS AND VISIONS. THATS BIBLICAL. YOU NEED TO WATCH WHt you say oit of ignorance

[@jeffc5474]

He is a cessationist. He believes the gifts aren’t for today. After all, today’s Churches are really powerless to be honest.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

The Bible also warns about false prophets that will claim to have received a vision from God.

[@craigbathurst1185]

Our Special-needs daughter with multiple disabilities was in the hospital and she had a medical emergency. She stopped breathing for 30 seconds and her brain couldn’t handle that, so she was intubated and put on oxygen. And we were called at home to come to the hospital. we called our daughter, who is engaged to be married in a couple of months;and her fiancé, came, who was a paramedic. I knew that she was gone because she responded to no stimuli at all. Even the irises in her eyes. were completely dilated, I often wondered, if her spirit was in her body or near her body to see her family come around her. Three days later with Gift Of Life we donated both of her kidneys To two other people.

[@One-way]

TRULY sorry for your loss. She gave life to others.

[@fastmph]

It does not matter…. Time ceases to exist at the moment of death. Time is only a reference for man living in a physical world.

[@LivingGospel]

Did not answer the question

[@tinbus149]

I was hardened against ANY death or near-death experience because of story of the "rich man" in Luke. After hundreds of read experiences I realized, the "rich man" was truly dead, it was his time. The, overwhelming, of the "come back" stories, the people are told by an angel, family member, or Jesus that it is "not their time to die." Several begin to argue and NOT want to come back but it is not their time to pass. THAT is why they are able to see Heaven or Hell and return. Praise Jesus.

[@omnivore2220]

Read your Bible. The dead sleep. They know nothing until the resurection.

[@joecook8352]

So how do explain the story Jesus told about the poor man Lazarus being in the bosom of Abraham and the rich man in hell asking for favors from God? When Jesus was describing a real situation He started it “A certain man” so it was a reality. Not to mention when Jesus told the thief on the cross today you will be with Me in paradise?

[@omnivore2220]

@@joecook8352 It's not complicated. Rather than focus on one or two lines in the Bible in order to support an assertion (which anyone can do for just about any assertion) we must look at the preponderance of scripture. So we need more witnesses, so to speak (more scripture). Clearly, Jesus was not in Heaven with the thief, "This day" because Jesus slept in the grave on the Sabbath and then rose on the following day. So that one is isn't even arguable. We can chalk it up to a misplaced comma. "I tell you today, (comma, meaning that today is the day that I tell you), you will be with me in paradise." As for the parable of the gulf between the saved and the unsaved, it must be seen as just that, a parable, like the many other parables Jesus used to get various points across. WHY must we view that as a parable? Simple; because the preponderance of scripture regarding the state of the dead says, very clearly, repeatedly and without equivocation, that the dead sleep until the resurrection. More witnesses.

[@alphasotogrande943]

@@omnivore2220 perfect. Agree - read it in context with other Scripture and punctuation consideration.

[@rustneversleeps01]

Kohelet/Ecclesiastes.12.7( Then the dust shall return to the earth as it were, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

[@alphasotogrande943]

Amen If it is not in the Bible, it is not true. The Bible is clear.

[@lw216316]

I remember one person, I think it might have been this boy, who said he saw Jesus and he said he had scars in his palms......that's a problem...we know the spikes had to be in the wrists in order to hold the weight of the body - if the spikes were in the palms they would rip thru as soon as the weight of the body was pulling down.

[@sarahconnor4757]

When my husband was dying, he refused food, water all if it but kept trying to speak (he was unable) and point to the foot of the bed. Its real. There are too many accounts of people who are PASTORS or others who have much to lose by speaking out and appearing crazy. Many near death experiences are real. There are documented cases of blind from birth being able to describe the hospital from outside and the park down the street and then heaven. Blind from BIRTH!

[@mr.g1758]

Another reason to not discount NDE's. In one famous case, a woman died on the operating table...flatlined, then told her doctor in recovery room that there was a single blue tennis shoe on the roof of the hospital. Sure enough there was.

[@jeanah685]

You adamantly doubted the kid but you never made your point and you never straight out answered the question. Beating around the bush is no way to preach or lead a congregation.

[@DarrylPassow]

I respect you but you sometimes say stupid things thst are not scripture

[@cindyhixson9891]

I personally believe in Todd/Colton Burpo's story. I believe it is verifiable. And I believe that you, by denying the validity of many of these stories, are missing out on God's pouring out of his Spirit in the last days.

[@ronbuckner8179]

A great video! A good example ;”. my puppy will be there in heaven when I get there” . Not in the word, but we all hope it’s true. We’ll just have to see.

[@lw6138]

My mother, a New Ager, requested her body be given three days. She was into all kinds of devilry. Also, I don't believe anyone sees Heaven or Hell until they are permanently dead. We don't choose God, He chooses us. Praise God for His plan of salvation that includes us who were dead and unable to choose life.

[@annairwin8147]

Oh me…I’m sorry but I DO believe in NDE’s…I mean How do you know for a fact they didn’t experience this?..They all weren’t truly dead….🙏🙏🙏

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

The Bible is the authority on what is or isn't real, not somebody's experience. If someone claimed to have been abducted by aliens, i wouldn't believe them for the same reason: there is NO biblical precedent to believe it's possible. The Bible says "test the spirits", not "believe the spirits". Ppl lie to get attention. So yes, there is a completely logical reason to by skeptical when someone makes those kind of claims.

[@sharonauker1049]

NDE & death can not happen simultaneously. It's not possible! However, I did experience a NDE & was on that fine line as I was going into shock from not being able to breathe. Did I see a light? No! Did someone speak to me? No! But I experienced the supernatural warmth & the supernatural no fear at all until I was returned to my body. I did not make this up! I told the surgeon & anesthesiologist where they & others were standing in the OR, exactly what happened, etc & it was all true. They even said it was! I remembered every last bit of it & still do! The big difference is that I'm no longer afraid to die! Praise Jesus!

[@michaeljohnson1157]

❤THIS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE ✔ IN LESS THAN 10 Minutes_____❤

[@saved1991]

Excellent teaching. Thank you.

[@robertjohnson6586]

Well John, meet the second person that has been caught up to the third heaven; the first heaven is the earth's atmosphere, the second outer space, and the third is above your conscious being. When I was about 6 or 7 years old, second grade, one day in class this kid that should have been in the third grade but had been held back due to bad behavior -- behavior so bad that the teacher had his desk next to hers at the head of the class room -- called me up to his desk. He said something insulting. I thought to myself, "I have the right to punch this guy, but I'm not going to". This was really out of character for me, as I usually would tie into someone like that without even thinking. I started walking back to my desk and had taken 3 or 4 steps and had reached the students desks when I was caught up, and I have to say whether in the body or out, I do not know. All I know is that God spoke to me and prophesied my life (13 words, and 6 of them were "... but you shall never be rich". When I came back I was still walking back to my seat; had not fallen or anything else. God does not dwell in time as there is no time in heaven. I did not SEE ANYTHING. So, I have been there. The Father probably did this to strengthen my faith in later years for all the hell and hatred I have endured. I have seen a lot of videos on NDE and one thing that stands out is that all these people are seeing a "different" place. Seems to me that if they had actually been there that the description would always be the same matching the Bible description. As a side note: when God first started calling me as a teenager I started reading about the great religions of the world. Reading about Buddhism in Tibet there were stories of "soul travel" where the monks would leave their bodies and travel to different places. I was intrigued by this and wanted to experience it. One night I woke up from sleep and was looking down at my body (typical NDE). It scared me so bad that I immediately popped right back into my body. Been there, done that. I have never wanted to "soul travel" again; do not want it, do not need it. ADVICE: STAY IN YOUR BODY, you do not need that kind of crap !!!

[@fabbrofamily7038]

sounds demonic!

[@sethsims812]

Randy Kay's NDE ministry on youtube is more effective in bringing people back to Christ than yours. Is that of Satan or blessed by God? You two should talk and give us the result please. Because all those christians testimonies strengthened my faith and renewed my Spirit. (And got me watching you) Thanks and God bless your great ministry and hard work!

[@michaeljohnson1157]

JESUS WORDS ONLY. Website____

[@belvadalidowich5314]

I couldn't hear much of any of this. The sound was too low.

[@MagsNeu]

If you are saved, born again, I can absolutely say, without hesitation, when you die, your spirit is immediately in the presence of the Lord. For those of you who are not saved and you were trying to intellectually solve this that’s your first problem. Your first problem is you’re not saved, but your second problem is that this is not an intellectual question. This is a spiritual question and I can tell you this without any hesitation whatsoever you don’t have to try and approach the Christian the true Christian the born again Christian. Because we know the truth.

[@John-fg1ku]

This is what happens when you do not correct people and they know not the truth. Revelation 12:9 Did not Jesus correct people, telling them how they greatly error in scripture? 1 Peter 2:21 I know this is not the best verse to use speaking how we should suffer like him, but it does state we should follow the actions he displayed for us when he was with them. But anyways, when you die your soul sleeps until God pours out spirits and then at the sound of the last trumpet you shall be raised into judgment, for no one has spirits for you have not been anointed by God yet. God bless

[@colleenbaker2310]

I commented on another video about when your heartbeat stops, where do you go, but I never got any replies so I'm commenting on this video. This was my comment: "So....this didn't really answer the question. At least it didn't for me and my circumstance. My husband died suddenly on October 13, 2023 from cardiac arrest. It was such a shock because he was always a healthy, strong man. He was 82 but not an "old" 82, if you know what I mean. Anyway, he said he had a chest pain and I immediately called 911. The EMT's came within 5 minutes. He was conscious and even walked out to the ambulance. Within 2 minutes of him getting in the ambulance, he started screaming and thrashing and then he went silent. According to the attendee, he was pulseless and unconscious. I believe he died right then but they brought his vitals back after shocking him 2 times in the ambulance. He was shocked 3 more times at the hospital. He never regained consciousness. I knew he was gone when I got to the ER but he was being kept "alive" with a ventilator and respirator. All this to ask you....when he went unconscious and was pulseless in the ambulance, did his soul leave his body that instant to be in the presence of the Lord? What do you think happens even if the body is kept "alive" artificially and there are vitals? I think about this all the time." I don't think he answered the question on this video, either. He seems to go all over the place and never addresses the topic.

[@bonniebon7335]

When quoting Joel “Men will have visions and dream dreams” He didn’t specify whether they were legit or not. We assume they will be legit because He is pouring out His Spirit but there’s always the adversaries attempt to mimic and seeking to devour.

[@berniefynn6623]

We sleep until Jesus returns to create his kingdom on earth and raise the saints, he will come back with a loud shout and trumpet blast, read your bible,

[@b.chuchlucious5471]

I'm confused on that, He told the thief on the cross he would be in Paradise with Him that same day. Can someone clear that up?

[@berniefynn6623]

Punctuation was not something the jews were into, Jesus said, This day

[@alphasotogrande943]

@@berniefynn6623 AMEN. Punctuation makes the rest of Scripture line up. The thief was not going to be in paradise today, he was told today by Jesus he WOULD be.

[@dominiquedominique8395]

audio is so weak even with my volume set to the loudest setting.

[@dominiquedominique8395]

I have to use the closed caption to follow along

[@janne2744]

It was at the very beginning. Then the volume got back to normal.

[@ArthurWarren-o3t]

Hers was 2017 its now been 2024.…and get returned verbal talk...,like how you doing son.,.,.peace to yall that believe

[@KarenJordan-cd5nx]

thank you

[@battlereadyarmour2362]

Great teaching!

[@highlander7326]

Preachers that absolutely positively "know" make me a little nervous. I'm not sure we're supposed to know everything

[@vigilantliving4546]

An experience I had has assured me the departure from the body is within seconds. There is a golden light and a tunnel.

[@timorean320]

Ecc 12:6,7. "To dust shall it return as it was, and the Spirit shall return to God who gave it." You cant "return" to a place you never been to.

[@ts-900]

That's what happened to me, but Jesus was with me the entire time. Also, I've died more than once and He keeps sending me back. The "and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter" -- heard that too. Everything was as the word of God said -- not sure why to "glory" about this because dying isn't fun and if you believe Jesus, then this is what happens to everyone. The ONLY people I saw there were those in Christ, no one else. I don't know about that book mentioned in the video, but there is nothing in the Holy Bible saying that more information won't be revealed. And this is a potential danger, but it is also a potential Revelation. The Holy Bible speaks about desiring to prophesy, so there is also the danger of silencing what God has revealed. EDIT: Not addressed in the video was how long to wait after death. One time I died I think around 6pm and came back around 3am. They were going to put my body into the morgue. What if they had done so?

[@hunterliggett]

At 6:10 the speaker begins to speak of "paradise" in conventional human space and time. Herein is the fatal flaw of such discussions. It is either spiritual (does not comport to the rules of space and time of existence as we in human form know) or it is not. Angels depicted with wings - a physical device to displace air and cause elevation - a device not needed by a spiritual being. Secondly "experience over word." The Bible is central to human understanding of who we are and how we relate to God. It is essential. It is sacred. It is dependable for the common understanding. It is NOT everything. It is at times dangerous. Those who have centered faith practice around Luke 10:19 and Mark 16:17-18 are examples. Narrow reads of scripture is narrow mindedness.

[@jesusluv638]

the truth is there is no time when present with the Lord! but scripture states the dead will rise first, for them to rise they have to be on earth, like when Jesus was crucified the dead saints rose and went into town! but for the dead to rise during harpazo { rapture } they have to be here! I cant speak for those who claim to have met Christ outside the Body ? but scripture tells us the truth! time is tricky when it is not present ! Time only exists in material world !

[@prairiemark4084]

A lot of things are not explained in scripture. One anecdotal example of one way of dying is given in the Bible is according to the speaker. One anecdotal example. To make that one experience by an Apostle normative for the whole church is, in itself extra-biblical. The Bible doesn't say it is this way for everyone. Paul says if everything that happened in the early church was written in scripture the volume of scripture would be too large to handle. People die in so many ways. They have experiences. The folks with them have experiences. Paul had an experience. And he talked about it some. To make Christianity non- experiential and say experiences are "bad" is not taught in Scripture. We have at least two kinds of tongues for example. One kind in Acts where everyone heard the what the speaker said and no interpreter was required. Everyone heard them in his own tongue. We have another kind of tongues in I Corinthians where no-one understands and there has to be an interpreter or they have to shut up during the main service. But still they were free do practice the gift alone for their edification. Was Stephen's experience in being stoned the same as Paul's? Not exactly. Was the experience of tongues the same in Acts as in I Cor or the same as the guy who prays that way at home? No! Christianity is freedom within parameters. There is some diversity in how God works. God works differently in different circumstances with different people. We have the "gospel" defined in scripture. Especially in the creeds like the one in I Cor 15:3 and following verses.. It is objective truth. It is not experiential They received the true Gospel about Christ dying and being raised for our sins. They had accepted it, they took their stand on it. If they held firmly to it they were saved. If they did not hold firmly to that central creedal, faith they had in the gospel, that they received and took their stand on, then their earlier faith became empty and void. We always have to stick to the basics of the Gospel. We cannot add to the Gospel and say believing the one anecdotal account in scripture, or in our variety of life experiences is part of the gospel. You can't say logically that if you don't make that experience of Paul's death normative for all, then you have strayed from the gospel. That is interpretive folly. And it is dangerous.

[@jeffreya.greene6999]

I'm as Perplexed as Apostle Paul when you disagree with a Untainted Child's Vision given by Our "LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!!" Trust the Testimony of Lil Children before a Grown ups Poor Spiritual View!!! This is Why "GOD'S " UPSET with our Churches in America!!! The child Did Not Disagree with the "BIBLE " at ALL!!!

[@CheeLee-c4r]

I don't know this man is right or wrong, but nobody know anything about the death person only the death person know and his or her soul went back to where it Cames from and reincarnate

[@mr.g1758]

I cannot know for sure, but I suspect some NDE's are true. I'm certain some are made up. The main thing is that those accounts do not need to be taken as gospel, or a substitute for the gospel. We all must accept Christ in order to be saved. Furthermore, there are accounts of ppl going to hell too, and those are a sobering reminder that we must put God's word first. But I feel some could very well be true.

[@aerialjohnson3279]

The kjv says that the man heard things that were not lawful to utter... He also says the man was caught not him.

[@Gary-nl2rd]

Only time I heard something false, a testimony, reported Colton was a fraud

[@berniefynn6623]

Three days more for safety, so many buried alive due to poor knowledge, this is where the term grave yard shift came from

[@timvickers947]

Its not in any way saying it was unlawful to tell of the revelations Paul received . Not ! what Paul seen this is just silly . He is missing the point .

[@lectro5418]

Where does Paul say he died and went to heaven? I must be overlooking it. I do see where he survived a vicious stoning and was left for dead, but survived by Gods grace because God still had much for Paul to accomplish. I can also see Paul experiencing a vision such as Stephen did, but Paul survived. Help me understand without me having to make assumptions, please.

[@DP-ih6nt]

Paul was referring to his own experience in 2 Corinthians chapter 12.

[@walkingwithgoddevotion8312]

He spoke humbly in 3rd person (about himself) in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4.

[@Kelly-ir5hq]

Thank you because I have listened to a guy who is telling everyone about his death and heaven experience...he always cries when telling his testimony. Randy Kay...

[@cindyhixson9891]

I believe Randy Kay did experience all that he says he did.

[@anthonydewayne712]

I dont care what they claim if it dont match the bible then dont put your faith in it. God Word Rules and this is how we stay on the safe track. Amazing how many people go to heaven and come back when JESUS himself says NO MAN has been in Heaven now it's a 4 lane HWY . SATAN will deceive the great and wise if POSSSIBLE. John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

[@Charles-i6v]

Jeff is ah soldier

[@francescapps7394]

Difficult to hear.

[@ZhmiKnopa]

So, when does the spirit depart from dead humans?

[@Tom-and-Jerry-again]

... There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (1 COR 15- 44 NKJV) They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies. (1 COR 15- 44 NLT) God is not subservient to time. God Created and Controls time. So your question does not make any sense (not saying the so-called yt churches do, because they're not and worse, they're not seeking in all honesty, they're out for a cult following to make money

[@sueann1985]

Great heading..but go off in a tangent to it.

[@JohnBrown-hx5oy]

Amen!

[@Rev22-21]

As a counter to your opinion (not scripture), why would God allow believers to visit heaven if anything or everything would be illegal to mention once returning? Why would seeing your recent departed loved ones there and them seated having coffee & reading the word be out of bounds? Why would any of the old and new Testament saints who visited heaven be allowed to see heaven themselves (other than being instructed to "write these things down")? One of six experiences I've had visiting heaven was God healing a relationship in the future (here on earth) between a relative and myself. That relationship is indeed now restored. Yes, perhaps what Paul saw wasn't lawful to write about, but then again we're not given any idea of what he saw either (as was John forbidden about a particular event in Revelation). Considering that, the Streets of gold, the river that flows from the thrown, the trees of life on each side of that river, the buildings that are there, the angels that circle the thrown continuously are all listed in the word, why would it be unlawful to have seen and mention them back on earth?

[@jansturm9335]

When I was in Israel at Jesus tomb they said that Jews believed the spirit didn’t leave the body until the 4th day. I don’t know if that is still their belief. It would explain why Jesus waited until the 4th day to raise Lazarus. If He had gone earlier the people wouldn’t have considered him dead.

[@ServantofJesusChrist567]

2 Corinthians 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)