When does the spirit enter the body? Conception? Birth? What a reading!

[@loralopuhovsky4990]

I am an OBGYN nurse. I don't know if this is relevant to your reading but the fetal heart circulation changes at first breath to allow the lungs to be oxygenated allowing the baby to be able to breathe outside the womb.

[@kathymcloughlin7730]

That is an amazing indication of our souls journey from one side to another💥

[@anniejuan1817]

I am struck by the quickness of this change. Are there any other fetal changes, from fertilization to delivery, that happen that quickly?

[@patsycovino5222]

Good question ​@@anniejuan1817

[@katmae530]

I believe this is very relevant. It isn't until the fully formed fetus is born that it enters into the physical world. This doesn't negate the fetus being alive inside the womb. Thanks for adding this interesting detail. ❤

[@sandygreenleaf6586]

As an aside, the loss of amniotic fluid caused a condition called "valgus hips" that went undiagnosed until age 46. I feel this should have been diagnosed much sooner, as it ended up with my becoming unable to work and now on SSDi since 2008. Not blaming you at all, just pointing something out that has been bothering me for a long time and wondering if there's been any progress in preventing this in the first place with early intervention? Thank you for providing a forum so I could mention this to someone, and you seem ideal.

[@lesliebrickey8357]

A dear friend of mine was a midwife. She told me that once as she was delivering a baby she saw a bright orb arch across the room and enter the infant just as it was being born.

[@nilsacantellops8173]

What you saw was some angel protecting that child maybe he had an angel for the rest of his life or her life protecting it that was an angel a white orb and angels don’t make babies or enter you it was being protected by an angel I’ve seen those white orbs there Angels

[@sharonblankcanvas7173]

Sounds to me like it's a process of getting the physical form ready to be able to sustain the spiritual form. Kind of like building a house to be a home for the spirit that's coming in: you have to lay the foundation, build the frame and outer walls, run plumbing and wiring, put up the sheet rock, etc. Once you do that, then the new owner can start doing things like painting the walls, adding furniture, etc. and actually moving in. But until that basic structure is built, the new owner can't live there because it's just not liveable.

[@Southernyaya923]

That's a really good way to put it ❤

[@susanparker6223]

Good analogy!

[@joyceluther-williams5600]

Excellent analogy.

[@LoveThyNeighbor.111]

I actually have some firsthand knowledge of this. I was shown my birth a number of years ago. I was on the other side, standing on the edge of a precipice. All around me were thousands of golden beings and we were all laughing and in absolute bliss. They were there celebrating me because I was getting ready to go. We were all laughing and so joyful, and I was looking down at the precipice and I said OK, here I go, and I jumped into forgetfulness. But as I jumped, I looked to my left, and there was a gold cord connecting me to them. It was kind of like a bungee cord, but it wasn’t going to spring back anytime soon. I do remember immediately being thrust into this world. Interestingly, and has been verified, my first memory is within a few days of my birth. I remember exactly what happened and confirmed it with my mother who is quite embarrassed. But what was more interesting was as I remember that incident it is from a point of a very understanding and mature being and not as a three day old infant. My mother had lost a child prior to my birth, and she had come into my room distraught as I lay in the crib, her face contorted, and she kept saying it should’ve been you, it should have been you. Hence, her embarrassment when I asked her if it were factual. But I saw it from a few point of compassion and understood her pain so I was still tied to the other side. I always look at babies because I know they’re still connected and they have the secret still within them and haven’t completely forgotten. But I know I did not enter my mother until I was ready to enter this earth.

[@katherenewedic8076]

💖🌠

[@Wynn-fr6oz]

Same!!

[@catberts6499]

Great memory. Me and my mother technically died during my birth and we both survived, she had a NDE, only thing I remember is if she choice not to come back, I wouldn't have chosen to be here either, if she didn't come back, just know my purpose connected with her.

[@kathymcloughlin7730]

I read about this when I was studying Edgar Cayce and his explanation of the journey of the soul, and he said basically what you have read Ellie. He said the soul was allowed to enter the body either right before birth, at birth, or just slightly after birth. So we are leaving what is true light, to come to what is the manufactured light of the physical plain of existence. He was able to learn this because he had access to the Akashic records, and those are the records of everything that ever happens from the beginning to the end of time. Thank you Ellie, great reading, and thanks to this community for the most amazing questions. Happy Thanksgiving to all here in America,,,lead with love today ♥️💥♥️💥♥️💥♥️💥♥️

[@deborahjacobs3735]

Agree, I read that, too. I've also enjoyed reading about Edgar Cayce.

[@RebeccaTreeseed]

The Buybull sez at first breath.

[@sandytaylor7320]

❤

[@loisfolk5492]

I read this too. It’s at birth. We cry because we had to leave the light that is warmth and love and enter the material world where anything goes. I think we cry because it hurts to do that.

[@loisfolk5492]

I’ve read Cayce and that’s what you’ve said it’s just before birth. I’ve also read that we pick our parents, but then I’ve also read that Jesus calls us and he picked our parents on who can help us progress. None of that really matter because we get here we cry because we wanna go back.

[@miriffairchild688]

Even astronauts feel after reentering atmosphere so heavy that they have to be carried or sometimes faint. When we die it also takes time until we really leave. People who had a near death experience say often that they hang out a while. Why would anybody be upset about your readings, Ellie! Thank you! Awesome work.

[@lindadeal3344]

We love and appreciate you so much Ellie, God bless you and your family and pets...especially if Lolo is running for President, she has my vote!!😅😅❤❤❤🎉🎉

[@kathymcloughlin7730]

I believe that Ellie was referring to those people who say that the soul enters at conception so they can justify calling an abortion murder. Those are people that just can't move their souls towards the enlightenment that we all will eventually experience ♥️💥

[@patsycovino5222]

​@kathymcloughI think that is exactly right..lin7730

[@Miranda-k4v]

@@kathymcloughlin7730❤💯

[@MelissaThompson432]

20:12 I have to say, I think you're 🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯 on the "oh, all right then!" moment. Imagine you're sitting on a boat in the Mediterranean on a beautiful, warm, late spring day, and everything is sunlight and blueness, and somebody fits you with one of those full metal diving suits with a mile of hose so that you can spend 85 years crawling around on the murky seabed. You'd hesitate, too. And probably did.

[@annsanse2935]

i knew someone once who said he remembered being in his mother's womb and that he could come and go as he pleased up through birth. he also said he remembered being in the womb of another woman and bailing, deciding he didn't want that incarnation. and he said that that woman turned out to be a friend of his mother's and that when he was really young he wanted to apologize to her for what he'd done.

[@katherenewedic8076]

for some reason that strikes me funny, lol. can you imagine womb shopping as it were?

[@mwallace2628]

Many years ago, two things about reincarnation were shared with me, 1) that our spiritual journey is never ending and we knowingly choose all aspects including length of life and how that life ends on this plane, and 2) miscarriages happen because, for whatever reason, spirit has chosen not to continue with the knowledge that reincarnation (baby) would give. Spirit chooses to wait for another more advantageous opportunity. Its sounds very simplistic and I still have more questions than answers. Any thoughts you may have Ellie would be more appreciated than you know. BTW, you are on my list of people and things I am thankful for today, Thanksgiving Day here in the States. Love and light to everyone.

[@Mulberrysmile]

I experienced a fever dream at around ten years old. It was not a normal dream, and I think it was a memory. I was aware of myself, but not really having a body…like I didn’t try to put a hand up to see it, to feel around myself, nor try to walk. I could see and hear, but was just floating in a blackness that was infinite. There was a base drum sound that was everywhere, but distant. Boom. Boom. Boom. I felt it as much as heard it. I perceived that I started moving, being drawn forward; and as I moved, the booming got louder. Ahead, I could see an infinite wall of spots that were darker than the pure blackness I floated through. It looked like a peg board. I was sent into one, the booming sound overwhelming loud. That was it, but I always felt that it was the memory of how my conscious self entered the body. The booming sound was not like a heartbeat. It didn’t have the second beat, nor the rushing of blood. It was boom silence boom silence boom… I have no memory of after being drawn into my spot. I felt no fear, but not excited or happy, either. I was preternaturally calm. Felt just kind of mildly curious.

[@cdsmiller17]

As controversial as it may seem, some of us entered the body while still in the womb. My experience was recalled when I underwent hypnotherapy. At about the three month mark, I overheard the conversation between my mother and father when she told him about the pregnancy, and he left her permanently. (They weren't married.) The sound of their voices was heard like a mumble, but there was no mistaking the tone. When I asked my mother about this incident, later, she said, "I had hoped you hadn't heard that."

[@Wynn-fr6oz]

Wow! I was doing Native American breath work and I went through an interesting process where I was in spirit form listening to my parents discussing having another child. Then the next thing I remembered was going through this greenish colored tunnel. It was me going through my mom's birth canal. All of this is fascinating.

[@debbiefiddler1804]

When my son was born and first put in my arms, I recognized him immediately. I was overwhelmed with the feeling that I knew him and I was so happy to be with him again.

[@darlene7461]

Good morning lovely Ellie🩷. When you said sometimes the baby is reluctant to enter the body you were right on. I think it’s due to the previous lifetime. 😅As an OB nurse for 30 years I have seen many births. Some are so obvious you can see the soul entering the body. It is so amazing to see it’s like you can see and almost hear a silent WHOOSE. Their eyes will instantly change from dull looking to bright. You can even see an obvious shake or shudder. Some it can even be a few minutes and even after their first breathe. Others come into the world fully alert, screaming before they are even out and with obvious souls. It’s so beautiful to see the wee one who are born intact in the amniotic sack. Some look at you with those bright knowing eyes and you know their soul is there. I had one child I knew she could hear and interact in utero. Her soul was there early I seriously think she is my mother who died when I was very young.

[@dr.angie123]

Nice observation! So perhaps it happens at different times in the birthing process. For some it may be before birth and others at or just after birth. My best friend's grandson at 1 month old seems to have an old wise soul already and maybe his soul entered before birth. He started off with a highly developed spirituality. Some babies are like big blobs until they get a little older.

[@Southernyaya923]

Wow, thank you for sharing that. I can imagine being a part of so many births is such a beautiful, fulfilling experience 💖

[@katherenewedic8076]

I remember meeting a baby within the hour it was born. that baby looked at me like I was nuts and bothering him, a seemingly mature character. the child died at 17 from bone cancer. R.I.P. O.S.

[@darlene7461]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@dr.angie123Thank you for you intelligent response. It was exactly my observation as well. I know that there are definitely some that enter are quickening. As I said my first child was there from early on.

[@lindachallenger1554]

I knew I was pregnant at the moment of conception. Just knew…can’t explain just an instant knowing!

[@RobertaDunn-f5l]

Spirit and I awake and listening. Grateful for today. Love, light, peace and abundance to all.

[@kathymcloughlin7730]

Same to you Roberta ♥️💥🙏🕯️

[@lindzee63]

Fascinating reading. Thank you! So courageous to tackle such a complex issue.

[@julieburns6401]

Midwives called it “quickening” when babies started moving during pregnancy. I imagine this aligns with your reading. No specific moment but a process.

[@anita1300]

Thank you. My "feelings" or 2 cents worth is this. My son, came to me some years before and told me when he'd be born, that he'd be male and have blue eyes. We're brown eyed but some blue from generations back. So the Soul/Spirit choses. Then, sometimes even when pregnant (not in my case) there can be a change of plan spirit wise and a different spirit comes in/through. I think, as in people leaving their body when dying (they can come/go during the process, but the cord is connected) So can a spirit starting another incarnation. The body is just the vehicle. the spirit/soul is NOT just that soon to be incarnated personality. This is "put on" as clothes, for learning. Really there is no let's say "destruction" of a baby , but of opportunity, and often, this is chosen by both mother and child as a lesson.

[@Dorian-x8u]

You are brave to tackle topic. We all see things our own way. No one is right or wrong

[@kayew5492]

That was incredible, Ellie! And as a mum, makes perfect sense. Birth is probably just as traumatic a process for the baby as it is for the mother. During labour with mine, I can readily identify with the idea of active and psychic resistance through most of it, and pinpoint the moment of acquiescence when they surrendered and stopped fighting the process. The knight of wands in reverse describes your typical toddler while the queen represents all the temptations of the material world and all the ills the flesh is heir to, and warns of the fragility of life, especially in the early stages. Cash Peters did a fascinating video on this a couple of years back, as I recall they seemed to indicate that the spirit dips in and out during pregnancy and in a sense doesn't fully commit to this incarnation until after birth, when it fully enters the body for however long that may be.

[@direencaren]

I felt the quickening with my first child. I wish I wrote down the date but I know I was around 5-6 months along. It was like a flutter . The flutter originated in the womb and was thrilling

[@98slp]

It has come to me during my studies that what develops in the womb is the human body, then when the baby is born and takes his first breath that draws in the soul and then they are one.

[@NonnaLisa63]

This was great. I think the cards may have been trying to describe the veil of forgetting. I read something years ago (probably from Dolores Cannon) that said in the in-between life we plan our next incarnation. After conception we, as spirit, check in on the growing fetus and the mother from time to time. When we are ready to come into the physical we know we must forget who and what we are to become incarnate. It's a very big choice and some may even wait until some time after birth to make the leap. I really enjoyed this one. Great job Ellie! ❤

[@vickiroberts7947]

Thank you so much for an incredible reading in response to my question. It reinforced for me what I believe. I do think the spirit enters very close to birth or right after. I think the difficult process includes the universe finding the right vessel for the spirit entering its incarnation by lining up with the lessons they are being sent here to learn. I do think there is some resistance. Hence the baby crying at Birth, which many people interpret as a basic physiological response for clearing the lungs. It's interesting. We humans, for the most part, express utter joy at the birth of a New Soul into our lives. But we express tearful sorrow and horrible grief when someone we love returns to the realms of love, joy, and peace. Thank you so much, Ellie. Add Happy Thanksgiving everybody.

[@deerhart]

Wow Ellie, that was fascinating. You are an amazing lady. Like others who have commented, I feel the soul enters just after birth. And, how many times have people looked into a new born’s eyes and say oh, you’ve been here before. Thank you ❤

[@GTTL-lad]

Thoroughly appreciate your work. This reading triggered remembered feelings from early childhood. In dreams or waking dreamlike state, I was certain I could fly. Also felt that I belonged where I came from and yearned to go there. The world felt too much for me. There was a crawl space under our house, with dirt floor and a small entry door. I would sit there back against a concrete block wall, watching the dust particles flowing in the sunlight through the open door. Understand that I had a good home, with family who did their best to live by Christian religious principles, but from whom I felt disconnected. My astrological placements seem to reflect that sensibility. I have a stellium of Saturn, Venus, and Sun conjunct @ 1 degree and Sun conjunct Mercury @ 9 degrees in the 12th House of Cancer. The 1st House has moon closely conjunct Pluto. No planets in Earth signs. Your reading resonates with the language of the ineffable.

[@darlene7461]

Wow your message really resonates with me. Fabulous interpretation of your chart. I love reading it. Thank you for sharing. I enjoy reading the comments as much as I enjoy this wonderful Channel. Ellie is the greatest. 💕

[@zephmarie55]

Oh my gosh, that was fascinating! It really is a complex area and I think some things are just a mystery that is beyond our human comprehension. Perhaps this is one of those moments, to quote Iris Dement to, "Let the Mystery Be." Reading the comments is as fun as the reading itself. I've come away feeling like it is an individual experience as to when spirit decides to fully leave that world and enter physical world, but most common time seems to be with first breath. Thank you Ellie and community for making this such a safe and welcoming place to feel at home. Love to you all!

[@nancystevens3034]

Good morning to all of you here.

[@Wynn-fr6oz]

Good morning!!

[@karenjoy511]

Cash Peters did some pictures on this subject a while back as well. I don't remember the details, but I do remember it was similar to your reading in that the spirit does not enter the body at conception. In my own experience, my son, who I gave birth to at home, was in a bit of distress at his time of birth. Although several people around me were alarmed (midwives and family) I was the opposite. I could "feel" my son's presence in the upper left corner of the room. Once the midwives got him breathing well I could then feel his presence in his body. My daughter was quite different. She, too, was a home birth, but she came quite quickly and somewhat unexpectedly and she entered the world fully in her body...screaming at her full capacity! It was so amazing to see the difference in the two of them as they grew: my son was more quiet, patient, and steady (an "old soul" type) and my daughter was more vibrant, headstrong, and a little pushy! I think it's beyond our comprehension how it all works, but I'm convinced the spirit chooses when to enter the body, and it's definitely not at conception!

[@al.spudkin]

Your method of reading Tarot has really sparked an interest for me. I sort of watched tarot for "entertainment purposes only" on KZbin for a while, but you've really made me look at it deeper and want to learn more for myself. Thank you for walking us through your readings, and for your great Meat and Potatoes podcast. Congrats on your new book as well!

[@EllieDreamsDownUnder]

Thank you

[@LivingTheWayOfLove]

It makes sense for this to be a process that is unique for everyone as we all have similar but unique chemistries.

[@opalessence4818]

I’ve been saying that the knowledge and understanding about when life begins (when the soul actually joins the body) spread widely would majorly alter the debate and policies around abortion. I believe the Catholic Church and by extension the Protestant Church have led us astray on the topic. “Life begins at conception” is far too simplistic.

[@stephaneeism]

It also eliminates her right to choose; she is instantly a sacred vessel. Handy for the patriarchy.

[@opalessence4818]

@ Yes, and handy for populating the earth with more church adherents so they can retain power.

[@katmae530]

You are so brave to take this reading on. Great job, Ellie! I was, once again, amazed at your skill to interpret the cards. I was always raised to believe the spirit entered at birth. Just before or just after really didn't matter. It was the duration. There are beliefs that the spirit takes a few years to completely settle into the body. We see this in the high connectedness children have with spirit in their early years. Today is Thanksgiving here in the US. Im very thankful for you Ellie. Blessings to you. 💜

[@katsnipz]

This is exactly what I thought to be true. The soul enters as we enter this material world! You’re amazing Ellie…I look for your new posts every morning.

[@katherenewedic8076]

I think that this might be correct. the bottom line is, how can we know.

[@katsnipz]

@ past life regression maybe thru QHHT Some people remember being in the womb but our subconscious our over soul can give all the answers and heal us completely. It starts with finding out the answers to our questions which I totally believe our sub conscious can answer.

[@Southernyaya923]

Wow! You really outdid yourself in this reading, Ellie! Your interpretation of what the cards gave you was spot on. Thank you for sharing your gifts with us and not being afraid to tackle this subject 🥰

[@karendooks6244]

I have read, from various sources, that the soul can attach to the body straight away, or checks in and out throughout the gestation period. Still birth can be where a soul has changed it's mind about living another life. It can also be that a soul only needs the experience of being born so does not need to live further. Attaching to the body is all about free will on behalf of the soul.

[@lindaaragon5477]

Absolutely true!

[@Mink369]

Oh you are so good. What a delight to watch you put these answers together. I love it. So interesting. Thank you

[@EllieDreamsDownUnder]

Thank you!

[@sherrylong6940]

According to the Seth material, the soul can enter at several points depending on what it wants to experience.

[@catsnpeacocks]

Yes, and psychic Sylvia Browne said the same thing. I know a lot of people despise her and she made mistakes (she’s human) she helped me so much years ago when I read her books.

[@lindaaragon5477]

@@catsnpeacocksHer books were good but she definitely deceived later of life as she lost her gift -I paid big $$ for a reading and none absolutely none of it materialized

[@lindaaragon5477]

True and the soul is free to come and go til birth

[@catsnpeacocks]

@@lindaaragon5477 You’re right, she lost her gift. I’m sorry that happened to you. That’s the very reason people turn against them. You know what, I can say the same thing about these so called Christian televangelists. They rip people off of their hard earned money on a daily basis. Ok, stay safe.

[@deborahdtw]

Exactly. And that’s why it is a portal.

[@Lumu321]

Alright this is one of Ellie's videos I'm watching multiple times. I was gonna comment my experience and saw other comments starting that same way! I can't wait to read them. I love this community 💖

[@Casandra.2w]

Could you be describing the moment of viability; When the physical vessel is capable of sustaining the life of the spirit? A conveyor belt is a linear process. Physical life is a nonlinear, dynamic, self-organizing process. It's kind of like putting an egg into a square hole. This was a fantastic reading. It forced me to sort out many things I have been struggling with for decades. No answers, but a more ordered set of questions. Thanks, as always.

[@valridgeway5452]

Fascinating reading. My personal experience, which I remembered in my early 20’s through energy work, was that I came fully in to my body and left the oneness a few weeks after birth. I remembered the experienced of the connection to all including understanding the oneness and interconnectedness of my family as they were looking into my bassinet. My mother confirmed the family gathering as I described to her what she was wearing and what I saw from my perspective. It was a heart wrenching experience for me to come fully into my body and I was “told” I would spend the rest of my life getting back to that place of oneness, which has been my life. The healer I was working with did ask if this was how it happened for everyone, while I was still in my connection with spirit, and from what I remember it was very individual.

[@edris6450]

I think the exact time for the soul to enter the body is variable for each person but generally close to the period of birth. In the same way we all don't die at exactly the same age. The soul does not function on a timetable. When the conditions are right it will enter. I also believe the soul visits the body for short periods before permanently attaching to the body. Thanks for another wonderful reading. PS I hope you do your own audio book, you have a lovely clear speaking voice.

[@rubianne2002]

That was fascinating, thank you!

[@kristamarkowitz1580]

Wow! Fascinating and complex reading…a difficult birth for you, Ellie😅 The comments and remembrances were amazing! Sharing insights and experiences is so helpful in this forum especially. Thanks everyone!

[@kityac9810]

This is the same type of thing I've gotten every single time I've asked the question over the years. It reads like a negotiation of sorts between the souls involved as to whether or not the souls' entry will be completed. It always leaned closer to birth than conception, regardless of when the specific birth occurs. The consistency in which I've gotten that answer is one of the primary reasons that I felt that people outside of that process arbitrarily forcing the birth is not a good idea.

[@darlene7461]

Excellent question and excellent response Ellie.

[@DonnaDzierza]

WOW! What a reading. I’ll need to listen to this again and again to visualize the process. Thankyou Ellie

[@pauladechelly7896]

Ellie-thank you from the bottom of my heart for having the courage to look at the most vurnable, precious, unexplored things. You deserve medals, trophy’s and hugs!!!!!!!!!

[@EllieDreamsDownUnder]

❤️🙏

[@jessmichaels1973]

Thank you Ellie

[@andreamartinez2545]

Hi Elle First of all, Ty so much . I feel like we're friends, lol. As for this reading, I saw the chaos after the boat w mother and child ,as the chaos of birth itself and the death is leaving spirit realm. The birth is death . So, what I got is, spirit enters at Birth. I am learning so much from your readings . It's strangly very therapeutic . I can't wait to study your book. Congratulations!!

[@EllieDreamsDownUnder]

❤️🙏

[@beckyeagle8786]

Perfect description! Someone did a reading not long ago that said the spirit who has chosen this life floats in and out as the child is growing in the mother to become accustomed to that body. Then at birth or soon after, stays in the body unless it dies at birth or before and then assumes that vessel until the plan it chose is done. The heaviness of taking that on must be enormous! You talked about grief, and I imagine it must be like being thrown in jail! Thanks Ellie! You described it very well!❤

[@opalessence4818]

It’s very dense in this physical dimension and the soul (light body) must condense itself (shift vibration/ lower frequency) in order to commit to beginning an earthly lifetime and join with its physical human body. I’ve heard there is a contractual agreement between the mother and child. If one or the other changes their mind at any point during the process using their free will, it does not proceed.

[@thomante]

IndoEuro tradition: The soul enters w/ the first Breath. Psyche means breath, draught. Yet the soul(psyche) surrounds & penetrates as it is a rarer substance.

[@cherylnashmacisaac5682]

Wow that was Brilliant, I totally get it! And appreciate you tackling this one! Brave!❤

[@debismith6239]

I have been wanting to ask you this very question for a while, I was afraid it might be too controversial. Thank you for tackling complex subjects. Also, your subscribers have so many thought-provoking experiences. I feel blessed to read their comments.

[@ceciliabustos9979]

Ellie, I do believe that we become human beings the moment that we are born, that is when the spirit joins the body. and therefore we become human Love your videos❤

[@TISHI7011]

Good morning 🌄 Happy family day ❣️

[@sandygreenleaf6586]

I've wondered about this myself. I was a "post-mature" baby. My case was written up in the 1959 edition of the American equivalent of The Lancet. My due date was Feb. 27th and I was born on April 4th. I almost didn't survive but somehow did, as the placenta had dried up and i had lost a pound of weight and amniotic fluid was like, 1/2 cup. I keep thinking that I was dragged kicking and screaming into this world to be so late because I didn't really want to be here but somehow HAD to, so here I am. 65 and maybe about to lose my SS. At least I have my family and I'm thankful for that. Happy Thanksgiving from America a day late

[@careyculbert5071]

I so get the 'downgrade' to this world, the manufactured light. I feel that

[@MelissaThompson432]

This is the way I understand it: The factory image is kind of apropos if you think of it in a logistics sense. The factory team have a job order; you either fill the order, or you don't. In either case, you then have to evaluate your status and create a new fulfillment schedule; it's a matter of keeping plates in the air while putting out fires, and the only way it's doable is that the akasha is available to everyone on that level. As an individual, if you seek a life, you have a wish list of a few well-defined goals, key experiences, people you want to interact with; and you might have a few options of whom to be for the best fit. You pick the best one available (while also making sure that everybody else who wants a life gets one to suit them.) I suppose in that sense, you put a reservation on that body. Any time over the period of gestation (sometimes starting before) you might hang around the body, the mother, the household, but to my knowledge you don't "join" the body until birth. Some don't, even then, but just hang around closeby. Some seem to settle in with the fetus early on. Some people think crib death is the exercise of an option to rethink this particular life; some people think souls can leave a life and let another soul "walk in" to take over and keep the person living. I have no opinion on that.

[@kathymcloughlin7730]

I have read numerous books on "walk-ins" Melissa, and although I found it difficult to grasp , I am completely open to the concept. Have a Happy Thanksgiving my friend 🦃☺️

[@MelissaThompson432]

@kathymcloughlin7730 ❤🦃🍽 Happy Thanksgiving!!

[@catwhisperer968]

Interesting read! I think it is very fluid! It would be as if we had free will vs divine intervention fine line just my lesson. I remember being in a hospital looking out at my father on the other side of window & being angry. And i remember begging to become human

[@pixiechicjk]

💕👍👍👍💕 marvelous description of the quickening John the Baptist kept in the womb at hearing the good news from the mother of Christ. Some have interpreted this as the quickening of the Baptist. The king of cups perhaps baptizing Elizabeth with the sacrament of spirit.

[@debbieconner6005]

Ellie, thank you so taking on this difficult reading!! It was so complex!! Thank you..thank you!! Love you, Ellie!!💙

[@TheForestCrone]

What a great reading Ellie, thank you for taking it on! I've gotten much of the same message through my own card readings/downloads. I think when we decide to incarnate, we're well aware of all the pitfalls and things that could go wrong in the material world. We know we're getting into it, in other words, but choose to incarnate for whatever reason(s) our individual spirits have, in service of informing the whole. As far as when the spirit enters the fertilized egg/fetus, I think that it varies, is individual and that at times, no spirit does because it's not a viable pregnancy, or a spirit that wants to experience the material world for just a moment may incarnate into that pregnancy. I believe that the spirit can actually be a bit in and out during the pregnancy but is wholly in by the time the baby is born. This would make sense in light of how difficult it must be to go from being spirit to being incarnate. Pulling back even further and seeing the whole, I believe that overall, Creation is experiencing creation through its creations and thereby, Creation knows itself.

[@LindaSirmeyer]

Yea!! I’m first

[@EllieDreamsDownUnder]

Winner! 🏆

[@bonnieberg4428]

There are some who say the spirit comes and goes at will before birth, maintaining connection with the spiritual home as long as the baby desires. Makes sense to me, as the vail is thin at birth and death.

[@jaynewiley6498]

Hello Ellie ❤ Happy Thanksgiving 😊

[@loiscates5182]

What a fascinating reading! It reminded me that immediately after my children were born I had the overwhelming sense that through the chaos of the birth process I had reached psychically into? the ether? and willed them into this life, grabbed their spirits and struggled with them to pull them into the world. That really fits with what you’ve read

[@cindygentry6821]

Thank you ellie always a pleasure. Happy Thanksgiving 😊

[@ksibley7534]

The world upside looks like the baby in the womb, heading downward and preparing for birth.

[@Jbee1010]

When you said there's chemistry involved, it resonated and I thought "Yes!" The chemistry between mom's spirit fertilizer the fetal spirit so it grows throughout the pregnancy and by the time the baby is born, it's spirit is fully matured for entering the material world. That's just what came to my mind. Right or wrong. ❤

[@teresadragstream8648]

Fascinating topic! I birthed my son with Down syndrome and he appeared “ missing” for a few days. I always thought he was exhausted from the journey or he wasn’t quite sure to trust us yet. Since his soul locked in, nothing but BIG, HUGE, LIGHT and LOVE.

[@rcat32]

I was not a wanted child and I survived a chemical abortion attempt by my parents but then my mother decided she wasn't too old in her mid-thirties and she was healthy enough to have a baby so she did. But evidently she never wanted children. She was very attached to her own mother whom she made out to be a saint but another relative later told me grandma was a cold b**** ... my mother stayed with her until her mother died then mom quickly married a traveling salesman who was looking for someone to take care of his 13 year old daughter abandoned by his previous wife who ran around, and soon mom got pregnant.... Later mom told me that my father made her stop hitting me when I was a baby. That must be when Mom started sitting on me to pin me down and grabbing my hand to make me hit and slap myself, and sometimes now I punch myself in the face and curse myself with hatred. She also played a game when I was little of trying to throw me out the back door as garbage while I clutched at the frame screaming and trying to hold on. I was never hugged or kissed that I know of, and I was not allowed to lean against her. I believe I was molested in the third grade in addition to the bullying I suffered, and when I came home there was no one to talk to or tell because she would push me away from her, and tell me to go out and play until supper time. I spent a lot of time wandering the town as a girl playing in boxcars, hanging out down by the river, and. wandering for miles, dodging men and boys as necessary. But this was actually a good thing because I developed a lot of independence compared to the average girl. I'm 73 and very much alone, but that's sort of okay. Really. I'm in crisis now because Pittsburgh's building department is trying to make me homeless again because that's how they grabbed real estate from some poor people and seniors but I am fighting them even though I can't get legal representation. I am working on eating healthy and taking supplements and trying to work harder and more hours. I have basically given up Christianity and of exploring New age spirituality and am enjoying the free psychics and Tarot readers on KZbin.

[@lindaaragon5477]

You described my childhood exactly. I’m 73 & alone also. In spite of all I’ve managed life fairly well as are you We do our best to deal with cards that are dealt. Love and Light

[@PaullaFromCardiff]

WOW! Good job with a difficult subject! I appreciate you digging so deep and trying so hard to bring things together and to bring the answer to light.

[@theresadiamond3651]

Very interesting reading. Thank you for taking on such a question ❤

[@jaynewiley6498]

Hello Ellie ❤

[@rebeccamorris-wb9xk]

This was a fascinating reading. Gave me a lot to think about.

[@AnotherSaltySister]

This is exactly what I have always understood the birth process to be. Thank you for confirming it, Ellie. 😊

[@wnstephens]

I’ve heard the process, of the soul entering the body, as having to force one’s light body into a confined, uncomfortable space. The soul adapted, but it was not the most pleasant experience. Maybe that’s why newborns sometimes cry.

[@Seekingtheshift]

This a fascinating reading, Ellie. It makes perfect sense to me. What pops into mind for me is that the Spirit enters the body/fetus is when "we" reach viability. The conception and prior to viability, the body is in the "manufacturing" stages. Life is possible once the fetus reaches a stage to sustain life. Side note, this could be a bit different for premature births. Between Bashar (who I love) and Michael Newton's book, Life Between Lives, I reached some interesting thoughts. My Mom wanted a second child and experienced several miscarriages before I was born. I feel that I may have been a part of that process. Part of Mom's life experience was to have the miscarriages. As I have zero knowledge as to how far, or close, each fetus was to viability, my Spirit may, or may not, have entered the body prior to the actual birth. Regardless, I agreed to be her child and was born to my family. I did a regression with a fellow trained in Newton's methods. I chuckle because if I remember correctly, my Spirit was in and out of the developing physical body. At some point my Guides gently fussed at me... "You really need to stay put before your Mom goes into labor." Leaving the Spiritual realm and moving into the physical body is one heck of a commitment. I also believe we choose an outline of what we will experience in each life time.

[@debbie3726]

Awesome reading Ellie!! Love and Light to All! ❤

[@drc1989]

Ellie, spirit and soul are not the same. If we have a life contract before we're even born, all is in existence before conception. Spirit is the energy that animates the body to experience with feeling, beyond automatic survival instinct. And yes, the spirit doesn't enjoy the confinement of the body. The soul is the God part of us. It has always and always will be in existence. When we realize that all life is sacred, we'll live beyond material understanding and see the beauty and value of life we'll before conception. Thanks for this wonderful reading!✌️😁💙👍

[@pauladechelly7896]

My son was born 6 weeks early. I had the awareness that he was struggling to enter his physical body. It made me also struggle to stay in my body and to hang onto my spiritual being that had been incredibly strong. It wasn’t until 6 months later that Shannon entered his body. I was able to get back into mine, too. After that his spiritual self entered his body. I could feel it. I am amazed looking back that we both stayed here. I am certain neither wanted to… both of us have been challenged physically and spiritually every minute since. Life lessons? You bet…..

[@suzizuki]

at 18:32 ellie has no card to explicitly explain what it is that goes on.. so i can tell what goes on.. her reading is correct on many levels..and during the pregnancy the soul is "negotiating" in a manner.. the soul expresses who what where and spirit has agents to deal with that..the life plan. just what soul is willing to go thru hardship, ? and in what country? is there a soul willing to come back in 3 or 4 yrs no matter what hardship they endure? many times the most difficult before life has an opportunity to come to earth and teach others thru their own hardship and achieve to a higher elevation.. as if playing musical stairs on the stairway to heaven.. some that are chosen to lead/help/heal others have a hard life due to the need to learn discernment/empathy/charity. etc. my son described to me when he was 2yo how he waited a long time to be born..and he almost was 3x before but it wasnt right time..( i was married to another guy and had 3 miscarriages, 1 was from a car accident) he told me he waited on an island of souls. where they are happy and imagin many things like purple dinos or pink unicorns..lol.. at the time he just got exasperated and said "you know" he wanted to be my son from the time i was 5yo. so when he was delivered he came on a gplden ship down a silver sea and *poof* he finally got born. now we lived in alaska and without much distractions there in 1970 he started talking when he was 6mo old. reading/writing at 3. constantly with adults. never baby talk.. the main reason he wanted to be with me is we were so much alike i would just know. well, when i was 6 i told everyone i was going to have a blonde hair blue eye boy and was laffed at to no end...but he has both. shirley temple cary grant were in a movie about bluebird of happiness? idk.. for a movie it seems close to what goes no. so ellie, its the life contract that goes on before birth. people ask why are there so many poor? hungry? hurt? they exist to show spirit just what kind of a person we as humans are. in spirit we all profess to be kind loving to another. but on earth we are put to the test. happy thanksgiving

[@lorettaehnes6588]

Wowzers ❤ You're still Rocking It!!

[@genealthompson5146]

With my first child my doctor asked me to be aware of when I first feel the baby move. He called it the quickening date. From the quickening date forward, my expected delivery date was chosen. It was right on and my first child was born on the expected due date. I always felt like my darling child was telling me that he came to life. I was in a movie theater when that quickening date happened. I will never forget it. That was over 50 years ago.

[@philmcdonald6088]

❤jewish law says soul enters fetus at birth. some rabbis say it's 40 days before birth. 4 animals in wheel of fortune card relate to 4 new testament gospels (christian symbolism in tarot). 17:09 you read tarot under inspiration like a priestess.

[@katherenewedic8076]

interesting

[@sylviegauthier6744]

Frankly Ellie, I find you courageous to tackle this subject. Around the world, beliefs are different, for some the soul is incarnated at the time of conception, for others it is between the 4th and 5th month, others beleive the soul goes back and forth until souls choose each other's, for me it's still a great mystery. Concerning Bashar, I find this person questionable.

[@dalifeliciano5637]

It is said that what matters in case of souls it’s the soul contract. The child that is aborted; for what ever reason, it’s in its soul contract to teach lessons to the parents. It’s accepted by all parts involved

[@sandytaylor7320]

Hi Ellie, Happy Thanksgiving to all!! ❤ Thanks for the interesting reading.

[@ingridwhitecloud]

When they come from the light it is going into duality and positive and not wanting to experience the negative. But overall we need to come here to learn lessons. You have really described spirits journey to the physical. It is also Keating the loving arms of unconditional love and feeling conditional love with anticipation of having to experience pain and sorrow as well as the ability to show love and give love.

[@bobbyesamdahl]

I resonated with the analogy of going from something really light, spirit, to being dropped from a plane into the material, a heaviness. As a new grandMOTHer, perhaps, i am to help lift the heaviness.

[@griffinhughes3021]

Hi, Ellie, Thank you so much for your channel. I am enjoying learning all manner of wondrous new things at every encounter with it. When you were explaining the last few cards of the reading, a memory of a National Public Radio program called RadioLab, specifically Episode 1 "The Primordial Journey," of a 6-part series called "Gonads," came to mind. I found it fascinating, and you don't even have to have studied organic chemistry to understand it! Light and Love from America.

[@SherryAKing]

Ellie, Christian Sundberg has had pre-birth experiences unlike any I've researched. Aligns in surprising ways with your reading. A Walk in the Physical, his 2021 book, describes the process going from the non-physical in a kind of tube (I see it as a kind of wormhole) to acclimate, entering the womb and leaving several times before settling into the density of a physical body, and the impact his uncertainty had on the mother each time he left. Absolutely fascinating!

[@PatriciaPearl111]

I know you love your research! I listened to an interview with a guy who has pre birth memories. FASCINATING! Nothing has seemed more right; it resonated with me big time. I would love to share the link with you, and he would even be a great person for you to have on your channel to interview yourself..

[@paulahenderson8865]

What a fascinating read, thank you!

[@ginihood7696]

Complex reading maybe because it is a complex question? I remember somewhere, being given the understanding that the child comes in flesh formed through gestation and the soul enters at first breath ... but for the first three years of life, it can come and go through the soft spot in the cranium, which is not fully calcified until about three years old, at which point it is "locked in"... I don't know if that clarifies anything for you, but I thought I'd share in the case it helps ... 💛💛💛

[@tuxedocat7115]

This makes senae ro me as little children seem more intuitive/spiritual than adults. I remember my sister telling me about about her three year old talking in his room. When she asked him who he was talking to, he said MomMom his grandma and our mother. As we age we lose that connection. And spend rhe rest of our live trying to regain that spirituality ❤

[@dr.angie123]

I always felt that psychopaths and sociopaths are physically born without a spirit, think serial killers and people who total empathy. DJT comes to mind, Ted Bundy, etc. The soul simply misses the entering phase and the person is born as an empty vessel.

[@juliaappleton17]

Psychopaths are born and sociopaths are made. The psychopath has a different brain structure. The sociopath is created by abuse neglect and trauma. Both types of people are dangerous but not the same and if the psychopath has a damaged or malformed brain and the sociopath is a victim it makes one wonder about how the justice system should handle them. Just a thought.

[@theresaamandola7676]

Ellie, that was a fascinating and beautiful read❤

[@Tangie0906]

What a fascinating reading! It immediately reminded me of the pre-birth memories described by Christian Sunberg. He reports being in the womb 'for awhile' but no exact time frames. During his second time he says 'technicians' had to tweak things to make the incarnation possible. The Intuitiview channel has an interview with him posted from 3 years ago if you have time or interest in checking it out, but I think he's done several interviews with other channels. The other thing it reminded me of is a near death experience reported by Anthony Chene's channel by Ray Kinman, who said when he went back into his body it felt like reality was 'reassembled'. Really interesting question on which to do a reading!