When Heaven Speaks | Session 2 | Kris Vallotton

[@debrahart6723]

This is so anointed! I truly felt like I completely received this message!

[@boblowe1000]

My

[@1011sue]

At end minute 1:07:24 "In apostleship, we don't have to agree; I can honor ppl I don't agree with. In denominationalism, if you value me, you'll agree with me. But I don't value you for your opinion, I value you for who you are (apostleship). Denominationalism isn't just about the church but abt the world; I can't have relationship with someone who disagrees with me...unless I'm there to convince them that I am right...because we're together bc we agree. If I can't convince you I'm right, and I want you to stay in my church, then I have to do what you think is right. Because we are here bc we are so right...and such orphans." "...Unity is not conformity. It's a celebration of diversity. It's ok to have another opinion and be part of our family. Bc you're not here bc we agree; you're here bc we're your Daddy." At minute 1:12:00 Kris tells vision of 100 yrs forward of old man reflecting on glory, grandeur began with ppl in portrait over fireplace, Kris & Kathy, g, g, g grandmother & grandfather. The Lord said, "quit your ministry and begin a legacy. From this day on, you are to live for a generation you will never see."

[@sejalshahri6225]

1.09 that was so good! Amen❤️

[@kelv53100]

I am not sure I totally agree! I am entitled because I am a child of the my Father! I am highly favoured because I am His child! If you ask the angels who visited the shepherds at Jesus’ birth how favoured He was they would have told you that He was “A Saviour Christ the Lord” There is mighty favour in that title! I propose that as Jesus grew in the knowledge of who He was,then He understood His favour. Surely the whole story of the brother in the Prodigal son was that He didn’t claim his entitlement, “Son .........all that I have is yours” (Luke 15:31) I am entitled and favoured because of who I am in God!! All I need to do is understand that!

[@kelv53100]

Thank you for your advice.

[@asinamirror2253]

I propose to you that many act like orphans and are rebellious towards pastors because of the experience of being controlled. Its not a fear of what might happen but a fear because its happened. There is a LOT of spiritual abuse in churches. I left church 4 years ago and chased after God full force and it is one of the best decisions I have ever made. Are all churches like that? NO. But the one I went to was, and there are many like it.

[@robertecarpenter]

You can't leave church and chase after God full force. It violates Hebrews 10:25. It also removes the spiritual covering of the church. Yeah i have heard all the arguments about how bad that covering might be. But an umbrella with a few holes in it is better than no umbrella at all ... especially in a storm. It is fun out there ... sleep late on Sunday, no responsibilities, at ease in Zion, settled on our lees (been there, done that) but it disconnects us from the body of Christ (Eph. 4:16).

[@donnaruby1304]

@@robertecarpenter Jon JJ spoke of chasing after God not becoming a believer as you described, "sleeping late," etc. Perhaps before committing there is the need to understand what the person means over the words that are stated, called communication and with the help of Holy Spirit, there is then discernment.

[@robertcarpenter2824]

@@donnaruby1304 I am far from infallible. But the Bible is not. I do not believe you can separate yourself from Church and chase after God full force. Again it violates Hebrews 10:25. It tends to produce "Lone Rangers". The farther you get from Church, the more susceptible you become to deception and error and pride. Rob

[@ladyela9283]

So, SO good! It IS time to change!