When ice hockey manufacturers copy each other

Why do hockey manufacturers and brands copy each other ?
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[@averageeskatereviews]

ASV Pro not AS4 Pro ❤️*

[@BWT599]

My CCM JTF6 pros wirh Marsblade i2s are a match made in heaven. Zero pain, even after 4 hours on the ice for long hockey camps. Next level tech.

[@RedDirtShooter]

They are all great! Just pick the one YOU like. For me , True skates seem weird and different to me so I don't buy them. Nothing wrong with them just not for me. Been on BAUER and CCM back and forth for a few decades playing competitive hockey now beer league . I just left CCM Ribcor to BAUER Mach because CCM just didn't hit the mark "right now" for me. Its all just what YOU like and what is available at the time of purchase to fit your needs.

[@Chanmantroop10]

Most objective comment here.

[@brianphilippoi349]

Bauer Edge wasn't first, QuikBlade was the first trigger-released blade holder and around for years before Bauer released Edge. Graf Cobras also bypassed going through the boot, but still used bolts.

[@alexpayne1364]

wasn't that group bought by bauer idk

[@brianphilippoi349]

@@alexpayne1364 I've heard there's some history between the two, but I don't know the story there. Maybe someone else can chime in.

[@user-dn7xe8px6l]

Bauer got the blade quick release from a small brand called Rebellion that was around for a couple of years a go. They were on the run to make a skate with it and Bauer saw it and took it.

[@andrewgrant2948]

CCM - Stop playing around, release the Ribcor 120Ks

[@eaterofpoptarts]

You baited me so hard with the thumbnail, I thought you were releasing the Hzrdus skate review early like you did with the FT6 skates. Soon, I know, but not soon enough!

[@HockeyTutorialOfficial]

Hahahah it’s coming man! Just trying to convince True to let us do it. It’s unreal tho !

[@eaterofpoptarts]

@@HockeyTutorialOfficial Can't wait!

[@TheRealDan1]

Sorry what is the AS4 PRO? The current TACKS range is AS-V (Roman letter 5). But besides that the RIBCOR 100k PRO and its stepdown models are the end of the RIBCOR era, no? Everyone insists that the Ribcor line is now being retired, just as the BAUER NEXUS line

[@Mike_Jones68]

Hey! I said this on your first vid of the CCM FT6 Pros...in fact my comment was like "Hmm CCM basically made a True skate?" Lol there is no doubt CCM is taking design ques, and function ques, from True. So I'm that sense, True is top over CCM no question

[@heinikoski1]

🤘great video

[@brandonmitchell1457]

Also,while Bauer’s retail gear isnt the best right now, their pro stock gear is top notch 👌

[@Chatillgbt]

CCM for me all day!

[@DimitriBecker]

If you are on top, like bauer was, your development steps are small. That's normal. CCM skates were (till FT4) not as good, as bauer's. With FT4 and now AS-V/FT6 they closed the gap. That's why improvements were huge. True's first retail skates (TF) were cool, but too special, not for mass market. The Cat line is much better... with many small problems, (holders, bend steel, reliability). I expect the new CAT next years to be really a game changer. If they'll manage to solve all the small problems and make the boot more durable.

[@Chanmantroop10]

True has great performance products but durability is so bad. I agree with you, if they can get their durability issue solved with their skates and sticks they will be on top

[@signin4079]

The hyp2rlites were announced today

[@stevenfetter4156]

IMO Bauer is the king! They seem to push the tech more.

[@Chanmantroop10]

Lol what tech. They've used pretty much the same stuff for years. The only thing they do is diff versions of tongues and tendon guards. Dont get me wrong. I love Bauer. Their skates are prob the most durable and best looking since they kept it somewhat classic (esp the supreme line). But their technology has not changed much at all over the years.

[@Thatguyisdead27]

@@Chanmantroop10what world are you living in they have pushed the boundaries for sticks I mean the agent may be the worst stick durability wise but it was still an impressive stick

[@Chanmantroop10]

@@Thatguyisdead27 who's talking about sticks? Not me

[@a2rhino]

When are we going to see the WARRIOR SKATE?

[@Mike_Jones68]

I don't understand the hype...warrior equipment itself has been 3rd tier to Bauer or CCM, why does anyone think their skate will be any different?

[@buisnas]

As a novice, my choices were quickly narrowed by fit, price, performance, availability, and advice. I landed on the Bauer M3 over Vapor (some sales said these would both be too stiff for a beginner but I want to advance/not be limited by base models). CCM and True supposedly have a more forward lean that may not be ideal for a first timer (sales advice). Also, none in stock in my width. I think that innovation lies in making the sport accessible to all levels of players and to allow them to progress/perform on an individual level.

[@DimitriBecker]

forward lean is smallest by ccm holders, bauer being midle and true is biggest. something about 11° ccm, 12° bauer and 13° true

[@MrMitchywoo]

Sometimes the copying is blatant and for no good reason that serves no benefit though. Take Bauer for example, they literally almost put out the exact same jewel that True uses on their Hyperlites

[@eggrowl3931]

I don’t think that’s what he means by copying. He’s talking abt technology.

[@archiesteel9624]

In my opinion is Ccm for my foot shape they just fit nicer than Bauer and true

[@mr.spokomaro]

In my opinion Bauer was and still is best. Ccm just started coping them in last few years specially the visual design language that helped them with sales that gave them leverage to spend more money on development and bring better products and kind of compete. Do they have some of the products that stand out or are better than Bauer's ? Yes. But in my fair opinion that doesn't necessarily makes them better brand. I don't think that they can beat Bauer as brand on the whole spectrum of products just because last few years were good for them. True has good products too unfortunately due the lack of sales can't bring the prices down.

[@StrikeXJacky]

I as a big fan of Bauer but since FT1 I moved to CCM and also realized Bauer isn't that good. But copycat I believe CCM is the king....

[@covidcarl7480]

OMG so happy Mission and others copied Rollerblade©because I started Rollerhockey first and they were the only Rollerblades on the market and they weighed a TON!

[@sand_is_greaney]

Skates are in a really interesting place currently. True’s SVH skates are the best. No argument. Having a skate built your specific foot is going to make it the best product available. From a retail perspective though I feel like the changes between all skates have been less and less noticeable lately. IMO it’s True, CCM, Bauer for the innovation in skates. For the biggest copycat, it has to be CCM. The skate fit system, 3d printed helmets, stick naming scheme, and quick change holders are all new things CCM has introduced in the past few years that had already been done before by other companies. Bauer is experimenting the most on a retail level imo with the carbonlite steel and new holder, regardless if they flop (like that steel did). All this said, this copying definitely is best for the sport. I’m sad some of the best innovations (like STX’s Halo gloves) have been overshadowed but I wouldn’t be surprised to see them inspire other companies in the future

[@brianphilippoi349]

The thing I don't get about Halo gloves is, what use is there for more segments in a piece for the number of joints it covers? It's the same with the 3-piece elbow or flexing knee cap on shin pads. That's not how the body is built or how it works. Gloves need a healthy dose of innovation, but Halo doesn't seem like the right direction in my opinion.

[@sand_is_greaney]

@@brianphilippoi349 I have a pair and honestly it’s hard for me to wear more traditional segmented gloves now. The way the finger blocks are broken up on the Halos move far easier and the glove itself is may more light and breathes twice as well. As a first gen, they’re really good and I hope STX continues to improve them with more protection and maybe even making other cuts with the foam materials (supreme type fit or 4-rolls)

[@brianphilippoi349]

@@sand_is_greaney I can see why they may kill your feel for other gloves. I'm just saying I see a better way. I don't think Halo is the evolutionary path forward for hockey glove design.

[@tazzyicehockey7329]

Easton makos every day

[@alexpayne1364]

if u want a specific colour get custom and honestly, I like a bit of colour in my gear plain black is just boring to look at. some of the comments of this brand copied another is a joke cause there's only so much u can do without making is unuseable like a the guy who said ccm copied the vapor skates both are made for somewhat acceleration and agility there's not much u can change from it without making it for a different type of skater

[@smileyduck]

Bauer Vapor HyperLite 268 Bauer Supreme Mach 133 CCM JetSpeed FT4 Pro 71 Bauer Supreme Ultra Sonic 60 Bauer Vapor 2X Pro 54 The NHL's Most Popular Gear How can you say ccm and true are better skates when 80% of the pros play with bauer ?????????

[@user-tj9rm5xn7v]

Lol money ding dong. Bauer is the biggest hockey brand, then CCM - why do you think the pros play with those skates? Because they are paid by the manufacturer... If that 80% of pros were offered more money at the end of a contract period by True or CCM they would LIKELY move to that company...

[@smileyduck]

@@user-tj9rm5xn7vI gave fact figures you gave me back an answer you can't prove with no figures... Where I play in the UK the elite team don't get paid to wear gears, only 2 players are on ccm speed pro, the others on bauer 95%. (The equipment manager told me that last week when i said I may try the new ccm ft6 pro).

[@Mike_Jones68]

​@@smileyduck I can tell you bar none of I'm paying the price that CCM or Bauer wants for their top end or mid-high end, I'm still going with True. Fit is better, but now that CCM is copying the wrap around the ankle boot design eh maybe I go back to CCM. Still I'd rather stick to a company who innovated skates vs just competing with the other monopoly big company over miniscule design differences just to grab a few customers away from the other guy. Maybe now their learning their lesson as they see a company like True taking skates away at the professional level. But yes they have much bigger budgets to give pros free equipment and sponsor $$ to wear their gear, obviously that plays massive role

[@hockeyiscanada]

No way True crapped, the worst qualty of manifacturing of any skate brand, their skates fall apart so quickly and ccm is just ok but they are way to wide and always have crooked holders

[@mikeva4127]

True? Really? All they did was come up with a retail offering. They have one foot mould for all the retail lines which is useless unless you're exactly that. So, a vapor or jetspeed user, traditionally a narrower foot has no option in the True retail space. That's not innovative, it's actually a step backwards. Bauer and CCM are will aware that feet aren't a standard width or volume!

[@mattm1296]

Well True offer regular and wide widths so that’s two molds right there. Then they do the Pro custom line which is essentially what CCM and Bauer customs offer followed by the full SVH customs which no other manufacturer does. Didn’t Bauer state that half of skaters fit into their Fit2 (regular) skates when they announced the fit system? Regardless, even with 3 different fits, it doesn’t mean a certain skate will fit your foot. Best thing to do is try everything on; every line, every brand, all the sizes to find what works for YOUR foot. At the end of the day, more options from more companies is a good thing

[@mikeva4127]

@@mattm1296 I think you missed the point... Yes, they do have a wide foot mold as well. The point was that they don't offer anything to the lower end of average to narrow unless you want to go with the SVH custom. That's a lot of skaters that are completely missed.

[@mattm1296]

@@mikeva4127 fair enough, but that’s why skaters have other brands/options…

[@HockeyTutorialOfficial]

I don’t know where to start here.. 😅

[@brandonmitchell1457]

So CCM just gonna keep that UGLY red stripe on the FT6 skates.

[@hockeyiscanada]

Sorry to say, but the Bauer trigger system works way better and easier than ccm's I worked in a hockey store and every body had problems with ccm and 75% of the time ccm's holders were crooked lol

[@TytoMobile]

But all the Bauer blades popping off in games though bro

[@SRROYALCITY1]

True is an underdog, but makes a far superior skate i.m.o

[@daddydubz88]

I tried on a TF9 once upon a time. I couldn't stand the way they felt. Almost like an old school 3 buckle all plastic Rollerblade.

[@zaclampson6088]

@@daddydubz88 Did you bake it first?

[@daddydubz88]

@@zaclampson6088 no. Never left the store with them

[@zaclampson6088]

@@daddydubz88 That's the problem right there- Never before has there been a composite skate like the TRUE- It was designed to be baked and when trying it on you have to bake it so it wraps to your foot. Out of the box they won't fit very well at all UNLESS you bake them before putting them on. Most pro shops don't take the time to understand the differences or how to fit them properly- They just rely on TikTok and Instagram hype from the manufacturers to sell stuff.

[@zaclampson6088]

@@chaseselinger9896 Problem with the tuuk is that it's way too soft and drops steel. JRZ is widely regarded at the pro level to be the best steel in the industry- It's not even close. The team in Winnipeg works closely with JRZ and a reason why they offer it for their skates. The weakest link on a carbon fiber boot will always be a tuuk holder- Next time you have an opportunity to put just the holder in your hand- Twist it side to side and you'll understand why so many players are having their steel fall out of their tuuks.

[@MiltIV84]

True got the skate game on LOCK! Don't @ me pigeons!

[@scout0487]

Just got a pair of cat 9s on sale last weekend. Only have had bauers before these skates. The cat 9s are easily the most comfortable skates I have owned. I agree, true has the best skates and I feel the cat 9s are better than most of the higher end skates in terms of value.

[@HockeyTutorialOfficial]

Cat 9 are being slept on… unreal skate !

[@charlesedonahue]

Bauer skates and no second place.

[@hockeyiscanada]

Ccm has alway been the biggest copier !! Always copying Bauer and other brands, they even did it when they made their skates one piece when Easton, VH and Verbero had one piece skate out before for several years.

[@PaulMarangoni]

Seriously? You must be too young to remember the 60s/70s/80s.

[@LauTribal]

Yeah whatever, just sell out to whoever pays more

[@markwhite6719]

Bauer is garbeeeeeeggg ccm superior