When "Mashing" Becomes a Strategy...

#guiltygear #guiltygearstrive #shorts
⇩ OPEN ME ⇩
Want to become better at Fighting Games? Book a Coaching Session with me on: metafy.gg/@aka...
Socials:
CLIPS CHANNEL: / akaraienclips
WATCH ME LIVE ► / akaraien
JOIN MY DISCORD: / discord
FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER: / akaraien
Arc System Works (Arcsys) has recently made Guilty Gear Strive, the latest entry in the Guilty Gear franchise! This fighting game is heralded for its use of Rollback Netcode, included on all platforms Playstation 4 (PS4), Playstation 5 (PS5), and PC (Steam). Recently Arcsys has released a balance update for Guilty Gear Strive Season 2 including a brand new Crossplay Mode!
Who is Akaraien? #shorts

[@Akaraien]

Check out my other Shorts here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGOziKFoed6chZI

[@alkannahcartwright4984]

To tell you the truth its not really a block string if it has a gap its best to call it a frame trap

[@alkannahcartwright4984]

I do this term alot though. An thanks for the name i never had a term for it

[@MrMarket1987]

"You're never minus if you're just not a bitch." ~Lythero

[@LunarZoe]

Beat me to it, lmao

[@I_Am_Tron]

I was just about to comment this you motherfu-

[@truesdale7388]

Straight up facts

[@doomsdaygaming9928]

😎

[@Cadigan1]

Gold

[@emerald_lord2267]

"You're only Minus if you think you are" - Lythero

[@IIAwfulWaffleII]

"You're never minus if you're just not a bitch"

[@petergeramin7195]

I don't get it

[@fuzi5303]

@@petergeramin7195 go look up dbfz lobby shenanigans and have a grand time its by a youtuber named lythero

[@alkannahcartwright4984]

In a way but it just means that you move after the person on positive thats all

[@Mustard-Seeds]

Meanwhile in skullgirls: >gets grabbed by beowulf once >mashes every button >we don't do that here >goodbye HP bar >uninstall game Good game, never playing it again.

[@Af.Pack.1]

No mixups?

[@jamesfinch6139]

And now... the end is near...

[@keiyousu7454]

And so I face... the final curtain

[@KnightParagon]

bro 暴れ (abare) in Japanese just means "going wild/crazy" so its literally just the Japanese way of saying "mashing" lmao

[@akasahi9315]

Is it really though? Mashing doesn't indicate someone is being careless/crazy, they don't even factor what they do hence mashing. Meanwhile abare/abareruzo means they're taking chances that their opponent will throw a big hit instead of continuing optimized pressure

[@KnightParagon]

@@akasahi9315 lol, thanks for describing what mashing means. also, "not even factoring what they do" isnt "careless?" really?

[@akasahi9315]

@@KnightParagon there's difference from just pressing buttons aka mashing, than pressing buttons because you're risking a hit. Jfc I'll understand if english isn't your primary language

[@Damackism]

​@@akasahi9315 Tomayto ..Tomato. You may not consider mashing. But its still just calculated or hypothetical mashing. Its not a guarantee. Its a risk. You" mashed" to get yourself out of trouble. I would consider it "poking" and doing a "counter hit" if you know for a fact that your move is going to out hit your opponents attack. But even that would be considered mashing uf you constantly try to do it instead of blocking or sidestepping. Even "mashing" itself is a sound strategy than can get you some wins. If your opponent succumbs to it.

[@kizuuna]

you clearly don't know much about linguistics

[@MENTLE]

banger editing

[@mikotoookami3682]

“Abare” I will forever call this mashing

[@thanatosignis5702]

Tactical mashing? Mashing when you know it will win?

[@mikotoookami3682]

@@thanatosignis5702 yeah that works

[@_vnfr]

mashing but with attitude

[@sikwitit773]

​@@_vnfr Seems more like mashing with accuracy

[@campi832]

abare is basically japanese for mashing. people just use it as a term for 'strategic mashing' because it sound more 'sophisticated' on can mash mindlessly or strategically, but because of connotation people prefer to call one mashing and the other abare

[@marquezpatterson1868]

Um thanks but I'm sticking to calling it tactical mashing

[@Wiz1975]

I call it that too lmao

[@thegamingkeyblade7066]

I just call it mashing. Tactical makes it sound like fuzzy mashing which when you time you smash for a very specific opening

[@charliebaker1427]

I like to call it instinctual play

[@MrJROOTS99]

It’s not a mash tho if you know when to counter poke

[@frenchfriedbagel7035]

Hm yes Abare. That’s just a fancy word for mashing.

[@miairuha]

Lol exactly, it's just Japanese word for mashing

[@burds_do_fly7660]

@@miairuha abare in Japanese is to act violently

[@FA-ST]

@@burds_do_fly7660 so mashing

[@in_sun4746]

I’ve come to realize that special terms in fighting games are usually just shorthand for Japanese terms and that fighting game fanatics are weebs.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

​@@in_sun4746 not weebs Just stuck in a community where all the terms were decided by jp players in the 90s

[@journeyman9454]

Damn he said instead of just calling it mashing I'm gonna just call it some japanese word to make it sound better

[@tedjomuljono3052]

if it works it's Abare, if not then it's just mashing, same mentality as Ume Shoryu

[@sk8lifeXgr8life]

😂

[@Cerealcasual]

Typical weeb behavior

[@maelis9573]

literally the same thing but in japanese, dude is just trying to sound smart

[@FOXY_SPHYNX]

@@tedjomuljono3052 sounds dumb. No one calls it Abare when you're playing tekken

[@LadyViolet1]

What's really important about mashing is there needs to be an option we're trying to beat with it. When they're plus we can mash to beat run up throw because there's throw protection for 5 frames out of blockstun in Strive that lets us beat throw with a 5 frame button (outside of guard crush), but in other games there might not be throw protection at all making it impossible to mash in some situations. So we can pick something else that might beat throw like jump or backdash, but those come with their own problems as well.

[@Akaraien]

you are one of the first people in this comment section who actually gets it lol. most people have just been saying that its just blatent mashing and its not true abare is basically just thought process behind mashing where as what most people describe mashing as is just brainlessly pressing a button and hoping to get out

[@tysej4]

@@Akaraien Mmm exactly, sometimes the best way out of a jam is to just down jab or such. Works well against pressure (If you know where the gaps are) or mixups (Like throws or aerials). The important part is that it's done with thought given to what you've observed of your opponent, what your prediction is based on those observations of their next action. And whether you should continue staying on defense for them to slip up or to potentially get a better idea of them. People saying it doesn't work against frame-traps well... Yeah, that's what frame-traps are for. Most those are negative on block though so unless they are intent on just bullying you on defense and setting up low/high or throw-mixups. Having your frame-trap blocked can often stop pressure right then and there and shift the advantage.

[@victornguyen1175]

It's a bit frustrating it was just glazed over that Abare/Mashing gets beaten by frametrapping, spacing, or solid frame knowledge in general for baits, given that it's the entire mindgame that's happening. Also, 暴れ just means to go crazy, literally mashing or doing something reckless. We speak English and have appropriately translated words for them. Credit where credits due, but there's reason for why we call reads reads and not Yomi, while we may use Yomi to describe the art of mind games because it's a very specific concept originating from Japanese FGC.

[@tysej4]

I mean in theory a frame-trap would beat mashing. but on average frame traps lead with a plus on block into something that is minus on block, like something with unique CH properties. So to say Abare get's beaten by frame-traps is correct, but to assume that if the opponent is plus he or she will do a frame-trap is incorrect, as you said. Mind-games. Sometimes the opponent will try to do another plus on block, or a mixup. Both of which circumstances where you mashing jab or DP might be your only out. (Once you've gotten a feel for your enemy of course) While the term mashing isn't incorrect, it is often as much a matter of the defender scoping out the attackers mind-games. Calling it mashing just seems wrong to me, when sometimes it's a clearly thought out attempt to break out of pressure and put the enemy on the back-foot before they even have time to shift gears into a solid defense. Everything else you said is correct, movement plays a key-factor but whether or not it's part of the discussion depends as this could be seen as a pure frames thing. (Yes, with the right knowledge of frames and execution you can backstep the mashing and then punish or if you feel particularly daring do your game's version of a DP.) Solid frame-knowledge in general helps both sides so not sure why that is a point in favor or against anything.

[@MadMax22]

Pretty cool translation facts

[@akasahi9315]

True true. Though this only happens because even if you're negative, your opponent is throwing moves that have higher frames than your block recovery+startup attack frames, isn't it? I guess "abare" which is literally to go wild, is an expression when someone is being reckless than mashing. Hence the difference between mashing and abare is that mashing doesn't even think of their moves actually winning by chance while abare does take that into account 🤔?

[@Snax000]

He literally said that it's a game of rps and that it's usually more risky to abare on plus. This implied frametraps and frame knowledge. For someone who plays casually, this is a very well made short video on some of the nuances of fighting games.

[@Fucklifedeadshit]

Autism speaks

[@Dirpman42]

I didn't understand a single word this video. Just got that Brisket is hella cute.

[@Why_Blue]

Brisket

[@GypsyDanger2000]

Brisket?

[@g5austinttv]

@@GypsyDanger2000 brisket.

[@NhemLee]

Brisket. Yea he pretty cute

[@djhero0071]

She. Yes, Imma argue. It's been months. Daisuke addressed this already in a Developer's Backyard. Calling Bridget a guy/male just makes you look like a dickhead.

[@Sunkhrist]

That Bridget mod is so cute💛

[@shadow0fx]

They took off her dysphoria hoodie. That’s her source of power! Can’t believe it.

[@fernandoquintero9823]

​@@shadow0fx 🤓☝️

[@johnb3587]

@@shadow0fxnow she has confidence

[@coleburns362]

If you're explaining abare, you should explain animation phases and recovery frames first. Without knowing what plus frames are actually doing, you can't really make it into an RPS situation. This makes it sound like mashing on negative frames will always have a chance to work, when it actually depends on How negative you are and how long your attack start up is.

[@UncleMerlin]

Mash your fastest button against their biggest minus. Profit.

[@Egalitariat-likesecretariat]

Yeah, no shit. Simple way to say this: "Use your fastest move when your opponent is setting you up for a slow one."

[@YevhenRawrs]

Shorts are short

[@loushia16]

Abare practically means mashing in Japanese. It literally means recklessly attacking

[@ytfch-ef8zf]

It's actually something you need to do at a high level or else your defence is too predictable and you'll get opened up more. It's simply just using a variety of defensive options, it just becomes skrubby and stupid when all you do is mash when you're minus.

[@Naruzakun]

Giovanna being minus is an urban legend

[@bignoob2726]

It is indeed real, but knowing when to mash kinda puts you in a mind game

[@StubenhockerElite]

"abare" is the dumbest Word policing lmao

[@Crazybark]

huh?

[@Grk711]

he's just explaining terminology bud.

[@AX02Crusnik]

@@Grk711 Saying "it's not mashing" is incorrect though. Abare = mashing, but theres a difference between mindlessly mashing whatever button you feel like in the moment and actually taking a calculated risk to beat out an opponent's offense.

[@jaydenliberty9536]

You can simplify it further You’re minus, but the startup on your attack is faster than the startup on their follow up. If you time it at just the right spot, the math of the first attack and the math of the second attack can come together for a total that gives you a + frame advantage even as small as just 1. Attacking in that window, as well as knowing when it’s coming, is good use of abare

[@the_gratefulgamer]

🎶 Whennn yourrr, on the attack/ But your Opponent smack back That's Abare When ya getting in that ass/ and they successfully mash That's Abare When you're mid combo strings/and ya health suddenly shrinks That's Abare When it's paper scissors rock And your negative on block Thaaaats Abareee🎶

[@griffinlester9098]

😂😂😂

[@cringlator]

I’m pretty sure my friend made a pact with a demon to know instantly how many frames of cooldown an attack has, how many frames they’ll be free of hitstun then what the optimal punish is instantly… Every. Fucking. Time

[@MistralNorthwind]

"It's not mashing, it's called Abare" Which means "mashing" pretty much in Japanese. "Attacking recklessly / Wildly".

[@leonfrancis3418]

Abare is to mashing what umami is to savory.

[@ez3kiel2000]

Good description !

[@GypsyDanger2000]

Ah yes abare the gentleman's mashing.

[@zechariahcaraballo8765]

This is really informative Nice

[@sifubamonghezi8550]

Bridget tho 💀

[@YevhenRawrs]

All the people pointing out that abare means "To go wild/crazy" and saying that it's the same thing as the term "Mashing"... Is it though? Mashing refers to hitting buttons repeatedly and rapidly, as if you're mashing potatoes or such. It's commonly used to refer to people who are playing around with the game's controls and trying to figure out what does what. Is that also a wild/crazy way to play? Well, yes, but saying "abare" seems less specific then "mashing" does, and the player in the corner is literally not mashing buttons here, they're taking a risk in timing an attack to free themselves from corner pressure. If they did literally mash they would probably just wind up getting blendered by moves.

[@natemakesbeats2138]

So definitely mashing while getting combo’d on … got it lmao

[@elegy8187]

If you press when you’re minus and get hit for it then it’s mashing, but if you press when your minus and it works then it’s abare

[@fobo3361]

Find this is really good against people that do mash, alot like real fighting flicking out a jab is a great way of keeping your opponent under control, its easy to get caught up in landing something big, that you forgot about the little tools you have at your disposal, but a big hammer isn't always the best hammer for the job

[@petergoodspieces130]

Bro I swear these shorts from their nature of being such short content leave SO many questions unanswered that if I didn’t already know a lot about fighting games I would be 100% confused. If any of you guys want an explanation for smth you can reply here and I will try my best to answer it

[@Konami2k]

So I made this technical move for years!!!

[@Emertex7]

This... was such a good video. I knew all this except terminology, and I had to watch it at least twice. The editing is amazing, the explanation detail is fantastic... If there's a bunch of these I'm just gonna subscribe and point anyone interested in learning fighting games that I ever meet, in this direction.

[@remuvs]

“Being minus is a mindset”

[@GransLegit]

That’s why I appreciate traditional fighting game pros, learning your disadvantages and when to punish is super hard work in the training room

[@TravelatorH8r]

The Crouching light punch, will forever be remembered, from this day forward, for its chaotic nature, rendering its user unhinged and Feral in demeanor, thusly, forever devoid of organized cognition😂

[@Egalitariat-likesecretariat]

"Remember to punch your enemy when he gives you an opening. But don't drop your guard."

[@guiltytrigger1625]

Life went "plus" against me when I discovered Bridget is a boy.

[@ftj4441]

In Under Night you have to do this often to get out of blockstring. It requires a deep level of knowledge about characters combos

[@ChloetteSK]

It's important to remember you're fighting a human, not a robot. If you notice they have a combo string they don't have the timing down for, this becomes an increasingly useful option, especially since it can cause the opponent to tilt due to you winning an interaction they don't feel you have the right to have won. There's only a handful of people good enough to nail combos every time, don't trick yourself into believing your opponent's offense is air-tight.

[@jtnachos16]

It's literally just mashing in hopes that either the other guy screws up and you will have buffered an input that comes out before he can react, or you are trying to use it to 'counter' a specific string that involves a minus frame length long enough for you to switch initiative. Call a spade a spade instead of trying to pretty it up. It's mashing. It's mashing in a specific scenario, but it's still mashing.

[@orbitalicarus]

“WERE NOT NEGATIVE! WERE FUCKIN BALLIN!”

[@Super-px6xr]

Pov: Delay gatlings are about to delete your health bar.

[@YoriYoiHitotachi]

Pressing buttons when negative is a calculated check (you took a risk because you think they are not using the advantage) or mashing (u care about frame adv.).

[@FallNightt]

İts because some moves pushes opponents so far that they have a chance of hitting you up before you connect the second hit i think its called "false combo" a combo that opponents can escape

[@ashleighchance9420]

This is why Jedah Dohma from Darkstalkers is one of the best fighting game characters. He actually prevents the opponent from planning when he attacks while crouching.

[@Af.Pack.1]

I like how Sol, the most plus on block character in the entire game, is the example for this

[@dantesparda8524]

Yoooo I respect the AC music

[@Burtyburtburt8]

"I'm not a frantic mashing psycho, I've just mastered *abarry* "

[@neptoondigital7321]

THIS! THIS Is why Frame Data and understanding the fundamental game is so important and Will win you more games. Hands down.

[@BeatBlast]

"You're never minus if you're just, not a bitch" Lythero

[@wanted_melon2348]

Me, a MK player: "tisk tisk, this is baby knowledge"

[@Screw064]

Imo I feel like this became the absolute height of fighting games or at least on my end because everyone around me became good enough to begin using pokes and staggers and then in order to truly open ppl up it basically boiled down to reads, throws, or simply unga bunga rock paper scissors but I didn’t know there was a name for it lmfaooo I jus love the reaction tho when ppl say “you pressed on my plus frames pro???” Gotta love the Rock Paper Scissors😂

[@TristicularTorsion]

When the dude mashes Y And it fucks up your fight That's Abare

[@GrubQueenMarisa]

that tanned bridget skin... oh my goodness...

[@dragreginlief30]

They called it Abare, we called it tactical button mashing.

[@dragonht6]

Watch me press buttons on block every time

[@ImStillMarz]

They make me question myself with these Bridget skins

[@lucidafflictions1706]

Ive been playing fighting games for almost a decade and ive never heard the term abare. We just call it mashing lol

[@King_Gum]

That Bridget skin. I know what you are.

[@kaz7886]

I just mash when i am in the corner, hopeless attempts of saving my ass

[@MundoSD]

Abare is when it works. Mashing is when you get blown up for it.

[@justaguy1304]

Mashing, but with purpose other than desperation and submission

[@BrotherBoofy]

Rock, Paper, Scissors aka Mash, Block, Punish

[@The4stro]

abare is just a fancy word for mashing

[@Galdenberry_Lamphuck]

GYARU BRIDGET GOOD LORD ALMIGHTY

[@somenerd8401]

“You’re never minus if you ain’t a bitch” Or your playing Leroy from Tekken 7

[@neonicon8500]

Damn that girl with the yoyo bad as hell

[@karayi7239]

Abare: mashing, but fancy.

[@derpybreads2212]

I'm not mashing, I'm abareing

[@kanari-]

i love brisket biscuit basket blanket

[@Sephiroth391]

Thumbs up for "Moonlit wilderness" playing

[@AriesWarlock]

You should see the Virtua Fighter 5 scene; they mash down + punch all the time.

[@rawrdino7046]

I didnt realized she makes a star with the yoyo

[@TheMoses121]

Great short! I didn't know this had a term. I noticed this in mk x or 11 when I know I know it was my turn, but press a high button and my character's hand would go over the opponent's head slightly before getting interrupted by a low jab. It was incredibly frustrating so I dropped the game a couple of time bc of this. I suggest pressing low, med, or buttons in the crouch position to prevent this from happening.

[@looneymar9153]

If it works it's abare, if your healthbar disappeared it's making

[@muffinstan]

When you're playing fighter z and your opponent hits your knee That's abare!

[@Lenoh]

If you're open, you're open. Don't make excuses for still being on Yomi Layer 2.

[@daboss1000]

“But I’m PLUs” Me:ok🧐?”

[@chizu4455]

please make more of these we need more FGC concept videos 🙏

[@retrocayu]

Balrog has the best abarre to me, the light dash straight is good when the other person is mashing because it just comes out so quickly

[@blvk3]

its technically meshing because meshing(within reasons) will almost guarantee to stuff you in the face if your pressure string has a gap where you are slightly negative

[@dbd978]

please make more of these. Short or not I'd love to understand what people around me keep fucking saying!

[@Akaraien]

I am! Going to literally spam post these out and try to make it a semi daily thing. They are just very time intensive

[@dbd978]

@@Akaraien hey no rush man! Love your shit btw

[@charlieraaa6381]

Forever this will be called mashing

[@edwardelric4240]

Nice explaination

[@garaktartv3647]

Being + is a state of mind.

[@stevedaguy9639]

Just because it’s in another language doesn’t mean it’s not mashing lmao

[@The4stro]

ah yes. advanced mashing

[@flandersnatch2285]

Button mashing is for newbies No Button mashing is for pros

[@Nimrod336]

And if you can do something while they are attacking means it's not jailing jailing is where a blockstring locks you down and you cant do nothing( mk and injustice has ALOT of attacks that jail)

[@SmonkTheGreat]

damn bro I lost so much BP in FighterZ because of this... and yeah it's just mashing because they were all SS4 Gogeta players.

[@samyouwell2076]

FR

[@milesprower6110]

Me, a Susan user: "uuh, a coin" *2A A A A A A *

[@adamrafiqin2377]

Black Bridget exist? Now I'm surprised

[@lostkodec4681]

Abare??? My brother in Christ you are MASHING

[@GramdalfFGC]

Top western player mashes out of a blocksting “Bro this dude mashing like hell” Top Japanese player mashes out of a strin “ excellent use of abare tokido sensei”

[@TheKojoShow]

the algorithm has chosen you

[@araccoonstolemyradiator]

I will fall for 10 frame traps and my one successful abare will still be worth it

[@VanHaiNguyen]

Let's do this : Mashing > just Mashing Abare (japanese word) > Mashing but winning Bourré (french word) > Mashing but losing