When To Pick Each Support | Overwatch Team Composition Guide

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Skyline

Skyline

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@Mackstodon
@Mackstodon 7 жыл бұрын
zenyatta firebreathing buffs incoming.
@KnightingMikai
@KnightingMikai 7 жыл бұрын
Max Mercado what?? and yes please. oh right. just remembered. lol
@elizakleinman1332
@elizakleinman1332 7 жыл бұрын
Could be a skin where the discord orb is on fire and comes out of his mouth.
@shineyydesigns7696
@shineyydesigns7696 7 жыл бұрын
Max Mercado I want him to shoot elemental spheres with different effects like fire deals burn damage, ice slows down targets, and lightning causes a .5 second stun
@iamliolin8085
@iamliolin8085 7 жыл бұрын
Zenyatta: "Experience tranquility!!!" *uses flame thrower*
@swolegolisopod7340
@swolegolisopod7340 7 жыл бұрын
"pass into my foot, experience a migraine" -floaty robot Jesus 2017
@armando0984
@armando0984 7 жыл бұрын
You did this only to show your amazing drawing skills.
@mikedimples
@mikedimples 7 жыл бұрын
I feel like you're psychic or something. Every video you've made lately covers exactly what I've been struggling with. Definitely the #1 youtube Overwatch teacher as far as I know. Keep up the amazing work.
@SherrifOfNottingham
@SherrifOfNottingham 7 жыл бұрын
Being a good teacher is somebody that teaches correct information, pulling from sources of information, rather than forming an opinion and spewing it out harming anybody in the community that has information that might be conflicting. He calls Torb a support, you are only allowed to do this in a world where Soldier is a support, period. He's got some points based in fact, but he fails to understand the basic triangle of support. This video will be used as ammo to tear down Symmetra players, creating a witchhunt. This content creator has a history of incorrectly spreading information based on his emotions, and not looking for facts. Blizzard lists how many supports? That's how many supports there is. No more, no less. Thinking anything other than this proves that you do not understand what a support is.
@jerrytomas3136
@jerrytomas3136 7 жыл бұрын
Sherrif Value determines role. Just my opinion.
@SherrifOfNottingham
@SherrifOfNottingham 7 жыл бұрын
Value? Would you like to elaborate, or is value just an emotion?
@TheTraveler980
@TheTraveler980 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry Sherrif, but even Blizzard can make mistakes. I for one consider both Torbjorn and Symmetra a hybrid of Defense and Support, and Sombra is an Offense/Support hybrid.
@jerrytomas3136
@jerrytomas3136 7 жыл бұрын
Sherrif Value = what a character does or brings to the team.
@DiogoUsagi
@DiogoUsagi 7 жыл бұрын
Admirable, treasurable stuff Sky. This is the type of content that caused in me the highest ammount of self improvement and game sense awareness AND is the reason I subscribed in the first place. Succinct and relevant to every player at any rank. Keep it up!
@SherrifOfNottingham
@SherrifOfNottingham 7 жыл бұрын
Be careful what you intake, he's got a lot of things incorrect here too.
@iTzChase1
@iTzChase1 7 жыл бұрын
do you spend your entire day going to comment by comment?
@Userrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.r
@Userrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.r 7 жыл бұрын
can you do an overall map guide (which map is complex; how to deal with features; best heroes for each maps)
@kaspy7
@kaspy7 7 жыл бұрын
Pure Weaboo ^^
@thetute59
@thetute59 7 жыл бұрын
Good video as alwalys, tho I kinda missed the normal screenshot of maps where you draw arrows to make more detailed examples. Thanks a lot for you work!
@mrburger
@mrburger 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Sky! I love the way you "categorize" the maps in this video (e.g., flat simple vs tight meandering). I know you're already building a series where you cover each map in-depth, but would you consider doing a single 10-20 min video where you do a quick survey of *all* the maps and the ways they can be categorized? You seem to know some really useful heuristics.
@mrburger
@mrburger 7 жыл бұрын
True. But that's only 1-2 minutes discussing each map. I think it'd be just about right?
@cookiepixie
@cookiepixie 7 жыл бұрын
Perhaps several videos where the maps are grouped into categories?
@brokenwizards9122
@brokenwizards9122 7 жыл бұрын
I find torb really fun to play. He works great on eichenwalde and Anubis defense. Tip 1: In general I like to put his turret so it barely peeks the main entrance. BUT if flankers are a problem then it's important to make sure the turret can't see the main entrance. It will keep firing at a target until it is killed or goes out of sight so you don't want it firing at a rein shield while tracer casually walks up to it and destroys it. Tip 2: I still see torbs trying to upgrade their turrets during combat. Even if there is a more optimal place for your turret or if it's been destroyed, you need to be fighting, shot gunning, and throwing armor during brawls. Never be hitting a level 1 turret. Tip 3: if your enemy has a dva or sombra make sure you put the turret in a place that is unlikely to be hit by their ult.
@jokinghazard4022
@jokinghazard4022 7 жыл бұрын
Broken Wizards torbjörn tip: don't. playing torb straight up throws games even at the pro level.
@bruh3457
@bruh3457 7 жыл бұрын
Barny Baylery is that why pro teams play torb sym sometimes?
@jokinghazard4022
@jokinghazard4022 7 жыл бұрын
Mute have you watched teams who play torb? the same thing happens at that level that happens at most other levels, he gets countered and dies or does jack shit the entire time
@brokenwizards9122
@brokenwizards9122 7 жыл бұрын
Barny Baylery I disagree. At my level (plat/diamond) torb works if you play him right. (65% win rate with 8 hours of play this season) What rarely works is when somebody plays genji on defense.
@jokinghazard4022
@jokinghazard4022 7 жыл бұрын
Broken Wizards I agree with genji on defense, but I rarely see torb work.
@theworst7943
@theworst7943 7 жыл бұрын
what about sombra? or is she a combination of disruptive flanking support - she can be considered utility . .? not sure
@KingTwelveSixteen
@KingTwelveSixteen 7 жыл бұрын
I'd put her as one of them secondary supports, since she can heal and all but it's very location-limited.
@laceflower_
@laceflower_ 7 жыл бұрын
Sombra is very much a secondary healer. She's very good when paired with more mobile heroes (Tracer, Genji, D.Va, etc.) who can access the heal packs and charge her ult very quickly.
@theworst7943
@theworst7943 7 жыл бұрын
ty :D
@Chice
@Chice 7 жыл бұрын
recta1anarchy more like a tertiary healer, unless you're running 1 main healer
@AzraeltheRightous
@AzraeltheRightous 7 жыл бұрын
but isnt main strat always using 1 main healer? the other ones are viable, but more on the situational side, right?
@Prolink
@Prolink 7 жыл бұрын
God dammit, Skyline. You gathered all the same support theory I had, including Torbjorn, and even improved on it. And put it in a super simple video with no distractions. Damn you, you're good.
@theantgre
@theantgre 6 жыл бұрын
If anyone's wondering Moira: big healer Brigitte: small healer, more useful in attack Skyline pls do an updated version ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
@TheLeoSanchez2
@TheLeoSanchez2 7 жыл бұрын
This is seriously one of the best Overwatch videos out there, especially for a healer main.
@K4g4m1
@K4g4m1 7 жыл бұрын
You would not believe how helpful this video is to me. Many a times have i looked at the hero select screen wondering what support i should pick and struggling to reason my way to a correct decision.
@ashill1196
@ashill1196 7 жыл бұрын
Good evening Skyline, I would love to see more of these videos for each and every class! Thanks for the amazing work you put into this channel! And don't forget to give us more cat/dog cams those are appreciated too.
@NoshuHyena
@NoshuHyena 7 жыл бұрын
Torbjörn, ready ter support!
@Tosevite6622
@Tosevite6622 7 жыл бұрын
spys sappin my sentry!
@WisdomPowerCourage
@WisdomPowerCourage 7 жыл бұрын
I'm starting to think you're the real mastermind creator behind Overwatch. Always the most logical information in a very structured presentation, like you come up with it yawning while juggling five giraffes and a black hole
@dannmironov1331
@dannmironov1331 7 жыл бұрын
When to pick supports, tanks and Torbjorn at high level of competitive play: Lucio should be picked everywhere 100% of the time with exception of first point Numbani defense and Hanamura defense. Ana should always be picked in every single composition outside of dive comp (in dive comp you can pick mercy or zen instead). Mercy can be picked to pocket heal and damage boost Pharah (good in 3 DPS dive comp). Don't blame me Mercy mains, i know your experience of surviving 2 flankers and Winston jumping on you. Zenyatta can be picked instead of Ana when you use dive comp and can't make successful push on attack without discord orb. Torbjorn can be used instead of Lucio at first point Numbani defense and Hanamura defense (good against dive). Symmetra can be picked instead of Lucio at first point defense and first half of Dorado defense against deathball comp. Its risky, but 75 additional hp allows full hold. Sombra and Soldier 76 have unreliable healing and no hp buffs so they don't count as supports. About tanks: Deathball (when your team has 0 or 1 flankers): Pick Reinhardt, then pick Zarya for graviton surge or D.VA for defense matrix (good against enemies on highground) and you can pick Roadhog as tanky DPS. Dive (when your team has 2 flankers): Always pick Winston as tank in dive comp.. D.VA can be useful in dive too as off-tank.
@jeffscoolkidacount
@jeffscoolkidacount 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Skyline, this was incredibly helpful! I wish everyone on Overwatch knew this information.
@kaiwin3795
@kaiwin3795 7 жыл бұрын
When I heard that Phoenix Wright OST remix, it made me so happy haha
@nelsonlopez13nl
@nelsonlopez13nl 7 жыл бұрын
These videos are so in depth and help so much you really deserve more views then you get, but ay keep grinding
@sombrerooreo1366
@sombrerooreo1366 7 жыл бұрын
Sky, your drawings are so cute:)
@VonRooibos
@VonRooibos 7 жыл бұрын
I think it's actually Zanzaaa who does the drawings for his channel mate
@dakota1804
@dakota1804 7 жыл бұрын
Yes! I've been wondering about this kind of topic for a while. As a support main I sometimes have trouble picking which support character is best on each map. It's kind of funny though because I like Zen on offense and Lucio on defense.
@lucabortolotti9587
@lucabortolotti9587 7 жыл бұрын
WTF IS THAT ZEN?
@nexced2585
@nexced2585 7 жыл бұрын
Serialblaze he is obviously eating a hotdog!
@nexced2585
@nexced2585 7 жыл бұрын
Serialblaze he is obviously eating a hotdog!
@rea5636
@rea5636 7 жыл бұрын
Serialblaze No it's a legit dragon.
@user-ul8es5ob9i
@user-ul8es5ob9i 7 жыл бұрын
"The demon become me!" -Zenny
@tuukka4349
@tuukka4349 7 жыл бұрын
If torb is there i think sombra should be too
@MartinDenStore
@MartinDenStore 7 жыл бұрын
You can easily run Sombra next to two healers though. ^^
@tuukka4349
@tuukka4349 7 жыл бұрын
Unmarked torb and symm too
@SherrifOfNottingham
@SherrifOfNottingham 7 жыл бұрын
Running triple support is always a bad idea, in fact if you were cutting teams down to 5v5 support would get cut down to a solo position. This includes running a second "healer" support because you have a Symmetra. However, neither Sombra or Torb can support very well, in fact they're DPS heroes. If Torb is a support, Soldier is a support, it's as easy as that.
@FWU100
@FWU100 7 жыл бұрын
If you know how to play Symmetra she would be the best dps for your team.
@jerec1267
@jerec1267 7 жыл бұрын
TuuCCa if the enemy doesn't know how to counter sym she can be the best DPS if they have medium range heroes sym can't do anything
@davidpt
@davidpt 7 жыл бұрын
It's the first time I come across this channel and I'm subscribing because this video was awesome, well thought out, it was pleasing to look at, seeing you write down things and draw just makes it more memorable and easy to understand, you make your points very clear and the only criticism I can bring is that you could have talked more about the specific maps where each support shines, like actually naming them for each hero duo would be cool
@JMP7656
@JMP7656 7 жыл бұрын
Really well made, made a lot of sense when they are grouped into the categories and broken down. (no pun intended haha)
@eple2035
@eple2035 7 жыл бұрын
Great content, I've been wanting a guide like this for a long time and this covers it really well! Thanks a lot! My only comment is that everything is just a tiny bit too drawn-out - but on the plus side, KZbin has a 1.25x speed option, which made it perfect :)
@RunaSunset
@RunaSunset 7 жыл бұрын
I got hypnotized by your drawings I have to rewatch this video
@Luninareph
@Luninareph 7 жыл бұрын
Loved this! I hadn't thought about how Sym wants a team with a lot of tanks before! Very interesting discussion :)
@danielcouch4852
@danielcouch4852 7 жыл бұрын
I love the song choice in the background sky.
@kenisz3n377
@kenisz3n377 7 жыл бұрын
Hey man just want to say that I enjoyed your video. Very informative and straight to the point!
@Jay_Tsunami_
@Jay_Tsunami_ 7 жыл бұрын
Such a good video man. REALLY beneficial to any support mains or people new to support.
@Shilag
@Shilag 7 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this for the other roles as well. When to pick what tank, what DPS, and what defense hero. That would be really interesting.
@CullenDraws
@CullenDraws 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you !! I'm pretty ok at team comp but didn't really know how to adjust to the map, this really helped a lot :>
@TheTraveler980
@TheTraveler980 7 жыл бұрын
I wish most of the players I pair up with understood how team composition works with healers. Usually I get something like this: Ana, Mercy, Roadhog, Soldier 76, and Mei. No wonder why those players are stuck in low-Platinum. Also, It's rare that a channel does not suggest to like and/or subscribe. *Applauds*
@bobbypuckett3206
@bobbypuckett3206 7 жыл бұрын
I loved this :). Please do more for different categories. I learned so much
@lukedafuk8123
@lukedafuk8123 7 жыл бұрын
I'm here for Turnabout Sisters, y'know
@Ouvii
@Ouvii 7 жыл бұрын
This video doesn't mention taking people out with a long range beam tho
@MrMedal01
@MrMedal01 7 жыл бұрын
This particular flavor of Symmetra is only for Jeff so he could get to Grandmaster.
@threefingerdeathpunch4259
@threefingerdeathpunch4259 7 жыл бұрын
Overkillius I once was rekt by a mini Mcree that screams
@tortture3519
@tortture3519 7 жыл бұрын
Alpha ... it's high noon every three seconds
@Gastlis
@Gastlis 7 жыл бұрын
Could you do something like this for tanks? I struggle knowing when to pick characters like Roadhog and Zarya, whether they're better on offense or defense, etc
@jokinghazard4022
@jokinghazard4022 7 жыл бұрын
Evan Katzwinkel personally I pick my tanks based on the utility they will have, if the enemy has a lot of cc I go Zarya since her bubbles can negate a lot of that, if the enemy is diving I go hog because of his cc, if they have a lot of spam u go dva because she can negate a lot of spam.
@jokinghazard4022
@jokinghazard4022 7 жыл бұрын
Exocentric any tank can be used on offense or defense tbh. I use winston a lot on 2cp defense because his mobility is great there
@shatterhand01
@shatterhand01 7 жыл бұрын
Zarya is just as good on Defense, she's just a tank that can always be picked as long as you have a main tank that does his job
@burneyarts
@burneyarts 7 жыл бұрын
God bless whoever writes youtube captions
@michaelc7418
@michaelc7418 7 жыл бұрын
@Skyline Why didn't you mention the Zenyatta + Mercy combo for lots of extra DPS? :]
@kookooburu
@kookooburu 7 жыл бұрын
Took 4 minuted to realise you had Turnabout Sisters playing in the background; nice
@BlankPicketSign
@BlankPicketSign 7 жыл бұрын
what kind of bob ross bullshit did I just watch o.O Thumbs up
@LavaSpeedRacer
@LavaSpeedRacer 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Skyline, could you ever do an updated guide on this because of the added heroes (Moria and Brigette)?
@MichaelRobbe
@MichaelRobbe 6 жыл бұрын
It'd be great to get an updated video including Moira and Brigette
@thenatarator7563
@thenatarator7563 7 жыл бұрын
I can confirm Symmetra's preferred map layout, I once 1v1'd a Roadhog and won because I was basically walking around a pole near where the flag was. And yes, the reason I was Symmetra was because turrets
@wahahaisused
@wahahaisused 7 жыл бұрын
Great content, nicely done tree, bird, and sunny cat on the right. Here's a like!
@Disarcade
@Disarcade 7 жыл бұрын
I love this format!! Very engaging.
@tobyjones3134
@tobyjones3134 7 жыл бұрын
I may be a bit bias here but lucio is one of if not the best healer. Not only can he provide heals almost equal to mercy with amp heals, but he has the highest healing output, with the help of anas nade with amped heals. I tested this out and with 1 amp and nade he can fully heal a hog. Of course you still need another healer, but with good dps and high mobility, lucio can almost teleport across maps if the player is good with wallrides. Amazing video Skyline, and I must say that lucio and ana are the best combo.
@AndyShelton1
@AndyShelton1 7 жыл бұрын
Immensely helpful! I second the motion for a tank video too.
@jessebrown5247
@jessebrown5247 7 жыл бұрын
Great Video once again! Also love that donkey kong outro music!
@jessebrown5247
@jessebrown5247 7 жыл бұрын
Diddy Kong country I think?
@finalbossgaming1785
@finalbossgaming1785 7 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks! I found this video very informative! I'm gonna have more courage to play support now.
@MrKhaosKid
@MrKhaosKid 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your drawings along with the lessons
@StarHubberMinecraft
@StarHubberMinecraft 7 жыл бұрын
i had to rewatch the lucio and zen part because I wasn't listening... was paying attention to the firebreathing zen drawing
@jeNNy-lh6zz
@jeNNy-lh6zz 6 жыл бұрын
ana and lucio are really useful for payload. the payload gives you healing, lucio gives you healing and with ana's biotic grenade, simply staying on the payload (which is the point of the game) will give you an insane amount of constant healing.... on attack
@bradyroose9401
@bradyroose9401 7 жыл бұрын
I feel like it's better to think of sym as a utility support when paired with allot of self sustain tanks since she gives them the space to heal themselves and stops rush downs of the point. the teleporter also has the best value when with tanks and functions as a wonky heal. (heals them all at once) but think of her as an offtank when paired with less tanks. she still denies area, but can do decent job tanking with her floating shield. Then when she gets her shield generator up, she is adding a total of 450 extra health to the team with that alone. This drastically increases the effective HP of the team which is the main goal of tanks.
@Esthadingens
@Esthadingens 7 жыл бұрын
I feel like since I started watching your videos, I have become a way better player, especially on more complicated heroes (Ana, Widow, McCree, Sombra), even if I lose more, I contribute way more as well. I think this process begun after I stumbled across your channel (when it still had like 1800 subs lol).
@choreomaniacle
@choreomaniacle 7 жыл бұрын
skyline's drawings are the best!
@BlownMacTruck
@BlownMacTruck 7 жыл бұрын
Upvoted for the drawings alone.
@chrispeterson1244
@chrispeterson1244 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, hope to see one for tanks, and dps in the future.
@icecoldnut5152
@icecoldnut5152 7 жыл бұрын
I've actually built a team around sym and torb support. I focused on AP and our sym worked hard to build shield gen.
@Redragonclaws
@Redragonclaws 7 жыл бұрын
Big video drop, Sky. Like it, love it, dare I say, want some more of it! (tanks, DPS?)
@sedayildiriim
@sedayildiriim 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, really helpful. You are an inspiration when it comes to staying positive :)
@bottledspace
@bottledspace 7 жыл бұрын
Nice Donkey Kong Country 2 remix there, Sky.
@illoney5663
@illoney5663 7 жыл бұрын
I do agree that Sym should not be paired with two healers as that'll leave you with low total DPS, but Torb can be paired with two other supports as his DPS is really quite good, assuming one can aim with his gun.
@centrist9222
@centrist9222 7 жыл бұрын
Ana and Lucio, to me, is the combo that works the best. If you throw on that grenade, everyone in the aura is getting zen level leals, and then you can keep firing away.
@wanderingwatcher3981
@wanderingwatcher3981 7 жыл бұрын
I´ve thought a bit about your video, and I´ve come to the conclusion it's wrong about Zenyatta and to a lesser extent Ana. Zenyatta is a tank buster. As many have pointed out he is good at offense for this reason, but also at defense if you are holding a chokepoint. He is weak to flankers, which are common on attack but uncommon on defense, making him overall better on offense. The main thing holding him back is his lack of mobility. He therefore, like Ana, works well with Lucio, who can offset this flaw and make him great on offense, but, like you said, this combo doesn´t have a main healer which is generally a bad thing. What flankers in effekt do is split up your team. In other words, Zenyatta is weak to getting split up because he has no mobility tools to get to safety if he gets jumped out of position by multiple people. In other words, the second your team gets split up, Zenyatta is in great risk of being the first to die. The same is true for Ana, who has no mobility tools and therefore is very weak if alone. If these supports are on their own they don´t compliment eachother like you said. Insteed they get even more weak as something like a combination of winston and tracer together can jump them both and kill one of them without the other being able to do anything. Both Ana and Zenyatta need to use their team for protection, and in a spread out fight, they are really weak. Contrast this with Mercy or Lucio, both have great movement tools to get out of sticky situations. It is not uncommon for a Mercy player to jump from teammate to teammate in the thick of a unruly fight if jumped by a flanker.The idea of spread out fight = long sightlines is wrong. The second the fight gets unorgansied people will duck out of line of sight to find safety or try to follow up on a kill behind a corner somewhere. Zenyatta and Ana is good when their team controls a large space infront of them. On offense, this could be a winston jumping in with a bubble, making sapce for your team. On defense, this could mean a reinhardt standing at the choke while Ana and Zenyatta stands back overlooking the fight. This is most likely what you refered to with Zenyatta and Ana liking to "stand back and supporting their team". However, just from the reasons I´ve outlined above, it´s clear that they have a major flaw as a duo. The video goes on to describe Ana/Zenyatta as combination on the same level as Mercy/Lucio. I don´t know if this was intentional or not, but I wanted to highlight how stupid it is, especially on defense. Anas ultimate is all about initation into the enemy team. Zenyatta kit has no way of supporting this playstyle without a Lucio. If you have a team that is simply holding the choke on defense, it makes very little sense to have powerful initiation characters like Winston or Genji just for the nanoblade. Therefore it will be very hard to get anything out of Anas ultimate, as it normally does very little on its own. Typically on defense, defensive ultimates are more valueble (big suprise) and Zenyattas ult is subpar at best. Being down both soundbarrier and ressurect means that your defensive team will loose almost any teamfight the enemy is able to choose on their terms. Can you see the problem yet with Ana/Zenyatta on defense? In order to not get wiped by an enemy initiation this duo requires you initiation the fight as a defender, which is not something you typically is equiped to do if you are playing slow tank & firepower heavy team that tries to control choke points. Nor is how such team will fail. Sooner or later the attackers will find an opening and a key player on your team will die, like the ana or bastion etc. Neither Anas nor Zenyattas ult scan be used to stop this. These healers also have horrible overlap in the way they heal targets. Both healers tend to stay at the same place, which means they normally are in line of sight on the same targets. In a lot of the time, this simply means that they are overhealing all targets within range, while unable to save teammates out of position on the frontline. Here is a list of healing combinations that makes sense: Mercy + Nothing else. Mercy is the only character that should solo heal. She is the only character with "big heals" and a defensive ultimate. It´s a risky strategy, as the team loses all healing and a potentally gamechanging ultimate if she dies, but i can be worth it to free up a slot of another character to deal with a key threat. On first point defense, if you have a generic set of offense characters while running a Symmetra, having only a Mercy is most likely the best choice to be able to have enough frontline power to not get overwhelmed right away. Only having Mercy as support is very risky on control maps, as flankers are too strong there and safety is hard to come by. Lucio + Nothing else. Good for quickplay when people are just running around looking for kills and can sometimes be used on King of the Hill style maps if your team has a lot of self healing such as a soldier, roadhog, etc or characters like Tracer, who normally don´t need much healing. Sucks otherwise. Best on control maps. Lucio + Zenyatta. Dive comps, mainly on offense. Good with the same types of comps as only Lucio. Should normally be avoided on defense, but should also quickly be changed if it isn´t working. Best on control maps. Lucio + Ana. Balanced duo, but requires a lot of skill on part of the Ana. Not recommended below diamond in most cases. Won´t go into detail here, everyone knows how good this duo is at pro level. Best on offense, but also on defense if the team has a lot of tanks. Lucio + Mercy. Balanced duo, Lucio takes a lot of healing pressure off the Mercy, who is both safer and needs to take less risks to top off the team. The Mercy can hide slightly without the team losing all healing output during a fight. Good on both offense and defense, but bad on some control maps were Mercy have trouble getting quality resses were people tend die all over the place. Mercy + Zenyatta. Same as only Mercy. The advantage of having the Zenyatta is that the Mercy need to take less risks to healing targets far away on the frontline and there is a lower risk the team will take more damage than is possible to heal. However, the combo is still basically the same as only having a Mercy for a healer. If she dies to a flanker before getting a ress off, it´s most likely a loss. Personally I like this duo on defense as part of a chokepoint spammy strategy with a bastion, junkrat and or mei. Mercy + Ana. This duo the video gets spot on. This duo works great in tank-heavy comps, with one a key damage dealer such as Pharah, Bastion or even Soldier. This type of team works on all modes, as long as you have the right comp for it. If I had to choose, I would say it works best on defense, were you don´t need initiation and can use the duo in a strategy that simply tries to outlast the enemy with spam through chokepoints and the like. Mercy vs Ana can be viewed as Tank Healer vs General Healer. If you are unsure, just think about the potential value of the following: Ressurect vs. Sleep dart & Granade (both offense and defensive uses) If you think you can have more impact over the course of the game with granades and sleeps, go Ana, otherwise pick Mercy and try to get some great resses off. Both strategies can win you the game in the end.
@murkymango
@murkymango 7 жыл бұрын
Why no mention on picking for ultimate synergy? Certainly in solo queue, the better choice for a big or small healer often depends on the rest of the comp (including the red team) and whether you have a defensive or aggressive ultimate available to either counter or compliment the other players.
@isaiahb8079
@isaiahb8079 7 жыл бұрын
really liked this video would like to see some with the other classes
@RayanMADAO
@RayanMADAO 7 жыл бұрын
I hate when teams tell you symm is a dps and you end up with symm, lucio and mercy
@MackinCheezy
@MackinCheezy 7 жыл бұрын
Mayo taizou thank goodness I've never had that lul
@longislandlegoboy
@longislandlegoboy 7 жыл бұрын
+Mayo taizou but she essentially is.
@GrevMarkussen
@GrevMarkussen 7 жыл бұрын
Well, she kinda is, though :P People has to stop thinking of heroes as 100% dps, sup or tank. Like, a Mei is maybe 75% dps, 25% tank imo. A Roadhog is 75% tank, 25% dps, etc. etc. For instance something like Sym, Road, Rein, Zen, Ana and Soldier is a great comp in many situations, imo (although you could do solo heal with that amount of self-heal).
@bragejohansen4025
@bragejohansen4025 7 жыл бұрын
Mayo taizou I hate when people do the opposite. Symmetra should be a defense-hero. She is not a healer. What are you on about?
@RayanMADAO
@RayanMADAO 7 жыл бұрын
Yes she's not a healer but she provides utility to replace one. Most of your healing comes from your ana or mercy anyway, Symm replaces the 2ndary healers like Lucio. Symmetra doesn't do enough as a dps to take one of their slots. This especially works if you have self sufficient heros like Soldier and hog. Having a Lucio, Mercy and Symm for example is basically half your team who aren't making enough of a direct impact in a lot of fights. (Though the new lucio is better for this) So in my opinion it's not ideal to have symm with 2 healers, but obviously it can work
@123454Cade
@123454Cade 7 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to see more specific information (like when you mentioned Hanamura at the end) for each of the Heroes, instead of 'Likes Complex Maps' which doesn't tell me much. Other than that 10/10 Would firebreathing Zenyatta again.
@travismartinez5676
@travismartinez5676 7 жыл бұрын
i do love most of your ideas here, though i do criticize your thoughts on zenyatta. i am zenyatta main, and i have always found myself most useful right behind my team, providing healing, but mostly damage. zenyatta is a powerful foe capable of quite a lot of damage. plus, lwts not forget his most useful and amazing ability, transcendance. with that, you need to be in the fight so you can judge for yourself when to create a moment of push. he is not a range enemy, he is an up close fighting support.
@mustafaaustinpowers5748
@mustafaaustinpowers5748 7 жыл бұрын
This comp(Defense) was really good I won a majority of games with it:Torb,Symmetra,Mercy,Zen,Reinhardt/Winston,Dva and Soldier 76/Mccree.
@TheMilkYouShouldNotHaveSpilled
@TheMilkYouShouldNotHaveSpilled 6 жыл бұрын
thats seven people.
@MrKago1
@MrKago1 7 жыл бұрын
I would argue that Sombra should be in with Lucio and Zen. Hacking packs can be huge, especially with your flankers. They can spend a long time out there with a large pack.
@Phaerakh
@Phaerakh 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the explanation. It really helped out.
@alphabett66
@alphabett66 7 жыл бұрын
I've been saying Torb is a support for a long time. People usually say he is a defense hero, but they don't put Hanzo, Widow, Bastion, or even Mei in that category in their heads, but they make their own category for Torb, where he sits alone, maybe because they think since he doesn't heal he has no place in the support category.
@jackcopp4334
@jackcopp4334 7 жыл бұрын
I have an idea for Mercy. Instead of binding her glide to the jump button and alternate fire, how about they take it off the jump and leave it on alt fire, and give her a new ability whiles she air borne like Angelic Thrust, Guardian Rise or something like that that will thrust her into the air and is an escape move if her teammates are compromised and she can't Guardian Angel to them. I think this would be good as: 1. When she's gliding with jump, you cannot aim (at least on console) as your thumb is occupied already and you can't apply pressure with your Caduceus Blaster (as I find the slow travel speed good for scaring them from its high base damage) and makes her an easy pick for a competent enemy DPS, so it's really ineffective to use jump. 2. Her tool set is fairly limited as her only real ability is Guardian Angel and I suppose Resurrect as when Sombra hacks they're the only things disabled, and I feel like there's room for another ability. 3. As she is such a high priority target because of Resurrect I think it's only fair as Genjis, Tracers and the like can take her out with ease and I think she should be able to escape if compromised. This would make Mercy better in my opinion as she could deal with the enemy harassing her when her teammates bate and give her a good escape option when compromised, and it's kinda fair as the other healers have compromise (Boop, Bio Nade/Sleep Dart, Discord) abilities. It could have a considerable cool down like 7-9s, let me know what you think.
@courtneykit9655
@courtneykit9655 7 жыл бұрын
thanks for all your work skyline :)
@dtrain2499
@dtrain2499 7 жыл бұрын
Interestingly enough, I went on Overbuff.com and saw that players average ~2,000 more healing per game with Lucio than Ana...so wouldn't that make Lucio a big healer and Ana a small one? Really good video man...I'm just curious about that one bit, and if there's an explanation behind that. Keep up the good work.
@fandingoORG
@fandingoORG 7 жыл бұрын
Skyline's voice could calm Siddhartha Gautama
@falstocat
@falstocat 7 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful, thank you!
@NavyAsasin
@NavyAsasin 7 жыл бұрын
Can you lower the music next time? It was kind of hard to hear, not too hard though.
@bretthm6940
@bretthm6940 7 жыл бұрын
muzak
@MagnusMouritzen
@MagnusMouritzen 7 жыл бұрын
Skyline What happened to the Adventure music? I loved hearing that awesome melody after watching a great video. I beg you. bring it back.
@dramoriga9161
@dramoriga9161 7 жыл бұрын
sounded like phoenix wright. I liked it!
@Mr_Zetha
@Mr_Zetha 7 жыл бұрын
Dramoriga THANK YOU i was sure i knew where that music was from but couldn't put a finger on it
@MrJunior11123
@MrJunior11123 7 жыл бұрын
PLS MAKE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS (easy paint and easily understandable)
@okayjay997
@okayjay997 7 жыл бұрын
Your little drawings make me laugh xD. I love your channel...
@DankHD1080p
@DankHD1080p 6 жыл бұрын
Was any1 else captivated by his sun drawing and forgot to listen to the tips
@frederickii6196
@frederickii6196 7 жыл бұрын
I usually use Ana when there's more than one tank and on attack, I default Mercy for defense mainly for resurrection.
@TheWanderingCrow
@TheWanderingCrow 7 жыл бұрын
dat turnabout sisters theme :3
@darkzephr
@darkzephr 7 жыл бұрын
In some of your earlier videos after the Symmetra change, you talked about her being useful on attack and especially on KoTH maps. Has your opinion changed since then, and If so, why?
@Iam0pti
@Iam0pti 7 жыл бұрын
Sky, try out a 5 dps + 1 lucio on the king of the hill maps. It works most of the time. (Atleast in 2500-3100)
@sketchysketchu
@sketchysketchu 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this, super informative
@Nick-go5jw
@Nick-go5jw 7 жыл бұрын
sky writing in paintbrush is better than my normal handwriting lol
@lindyhop24
@lindyhop24 7 жыл бұрын
For a while there (aprox. 5:20-6:15) you show Ana + Lucio on the screen but never talk about them as either a good or bad combo. Given how commonly they are paired together in the current meta and given the upcoming changes for Lucio, I'd really like to hear your opinion on that combo. Any chance you could expand on that?
@EmmaBonn96
@EmmaBonn96 7 жыл бұрын
I like playing mercy a lot, I have a ridiculously disproportionate amount of hours playing her compared to all other heroes. Part of the problem is that I am in bronze and let's face it, like 10% of bronze players want to play support. Even less want to play mercy. I've basically been given a free ride to main her. Recently I've been trying to branch out to Ana, I am trying to pick her instead of mercy in the maps you said she would be best in. At least in qp.
@ArborSideris
@ArborSideris 7 жыл бұрын
Something I hate about ps4's overwatch is that nobody ever picks healing, not in quick and not in ranked. Well, I was bronze last season so maybe that's why, but it really bothers me. I try to be a healer most of the time, but I'm good-ish only with Zenyatta and he alone can't sustain the team. I'm thinking about learning to play Mercy, but on ps it's a nightmare, the commands are not intuitive at all, I struggle a lot to just switch between the shaft and the pistol. Anyway, this video was great! I'll try best as I can to heal next time (because I know I will have to haha)
@Mike_Lebow
@Mike_Lebow 7 жыл бұрын
Your content is so fucking dope and fresh.
@paulski7307
@paulski7307 7 жыл бұрын
amazing as always!
@greenmatius
@greenmatius 7 жыл бұрын
What about Iron Clad, Armor Pack and Shield Generator combo? Asking out of curiosity but I personally don't think it's a good idea but some people claimed it is super defensive.
@SharjeelZahid1
@SharjeelZahid1 6 жыл бұрын
I wish this could be updated with Moira and Brigitte
@gunguy100
@gunguy100 7 жыл бұрын
Started with a support guide, ended with a Bob Ross painting.
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