When will the 'youth movement' of Marco Kasper, Carter Mazur and other prospects arrive?

The Detroit Red Wings have one of the deepest prospect pools in the NHL with guys like Cossa, Kasper, Johansson, Mazur and Danielson. Despite this, only 3 Yzerman draft picks are on the roster, and they are 6th oldest team in the NHL. At what point will there be a youth movement on Detroit's roster? #LGRW
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[@trejoanroc2947]

You guys are so much better than most of the "locked On" crews from other teams around the league, and it's not even close. I tried to watch the Flyers locked on cast, and I made it five minutes. How can you make a podcast about Torts boring? anyways, keep up the great work.

[@user-pd5qz2vt2c]

If they don't make the playoffs, bring up the kids. The Wings need more grit and youth.

[@whoknows7406]

So you’ll risk missing the playoffs for a 9th straight season? It gets complicated after that you think the noise about Stevie is loud now it will be on a amplifier if we miss the playoffs in 2025

[@davidlaffin5747]

If he Wings are just backing into the playoffs by only say winning 30% of their games, then they aren't really a playoff team, so i would go with youth next year. ​@whoknows7406

[@313bootboy6]

No, you want them to get the playoff experience in GR. Next year is probably their year

[@user-pd5qz2vt2c]

@313bootboy6 Sorry, that's what I meant. Don't renew some of the people on one year contracts.

[@whoknows7406]

@@user-pd5qz2vt2c not saying I disagree with you but im saying-more than likely, we will be a worse team next year with a full youth movement. Carter Mazur is not a better hockey player than Robby fabri right now. Axel sandin pelika is not a better player than Jeff Petry right now. Look at Logan Cooley in arizona he’s not bad but he’s not particularly effective either he’s gonna finish with 40 points while also being one of the weakest (strength wise) players on the team. Obviously he’ll get better and be a great player but not many players are gonna contribute like Raymond did under 21. Those are special players like Seider. We aren’t gonna call all the kids up and get better. So once again I ask- are you okay with missing the playoffs for 9 straight years? Are you okay with having the longest playoff drought in the nhl? Are you okay with possibly losing Stevie because he’s had 6 years? I am. Scared to death. Making the playoffs is so important this year

[@jefflove7012]

Watched the 2008 playoffs again. Just wow! we had so much talent. Hard to imagine getting to that point again

[@dj4aces]

When does it come? When they're more than ready. Yzerman remembers the days of overcooking the prospects in our system.This has always been a cornerstone of the Yzerplan, and if I'm being completely honest, it's the number one reason why I wanted him in our front office. Is it a bad thing that more aren't in Detroit now? Not necessarily. If you saw how Berggren played when he was in Detroit this season, you can see why we didn't start the year with him. He needs more time to cook. Edvinsson is making rookie mistakes (and appears to be making fewer with every game), but has been one of our better D since getting called up. I think others (like Kasper) would've been given a call-up if there was a need for them once GR clinched. "The youth movement" will come. Don't force it.

[@OneAndOnlyKJx]

I think Detroit's off-season needs are an elite center, a top 4 right D, and a legitimate top 6 winger. Yzerman has tons of assets to get it done so it should be a very interesting summer.

[@ericw3229]

How manybpksyers like are floating around ?

[@emmittferguson6101]

I think we will see a combination of Kasper, Mazur, Johansson up next year. Kasper I think if he wasn’t rusty from recovering from his broken knee cap he coulda made it out of camp. Also I think if I recall Lalonde at beginning of the year said Mazur had a great chance to make the team if he didn’t get hurt just before camp

[@emmittferguson6101]

Oh also Albert Johansson can play on the right side too. And he had good chemistry with Edvisson when they were together. So I don’t think he’s completely logjammed out if they can’t unload enough LHD

[@RonBaker456]

All great teams are a balance. Youngest team is also the least experienced team. You NEED a few 30+ players on any great team to bring the maturity and tenacity level up to where it needs to be to last in the playoffs.

[@albedz7759]

I think Edvinnson, Kasper, and Mazur should be up next season at a minimum. Probably another year+ on Cossa, ASP, and I'm assuming they'll give Danielson a year in the AHL, unless he blows the door down in the prospects tournament/training camp/preseason games.

[@patrickgaughan1199]

Edvinnson yes Kasper maybe, mazur needs another year in GR. Cossa is 2-3 years out Danielson I hope is breakout material instantly

[@leonardoluiz7076]

The answer is easy: what prospects are in the same level of Seider and Raymond when they make the roster? I don´t see any. Maybe in two years we can have Kasper, Mazur, Danielson and ASP. Look at Edvinsson! He is miles better than last season when many of us wanted him making the roster.

[@chevelle1]

🎯

[@user-ed6nt1ml6p]

Great point you made 💯

[@humblelad]

If there’s anything we can count on it’s that Stevie wants to win, and if this looks like the best bet that’s what he’ll do (so long as it doesn’t negatively effect the players long term)

[@Bijan88]

Absolutely agree with Scott

[@redwoods3020]

Had to check the date on this feel like you guys talk about this once a week

[@richardjohnson4682]

I feel the rookie camp will decide who is ready to make the jump. There will be holes in our lineup to fill by trade or from GR. I believe 3-4 players will have a chance to make the team.

[@carterpochynok4874]

I definitely think bringing up some youngsters makes sense. Just look at the upgrade we got recently in Simon Edvinsson! With how well Cossa has done, why not give him a game or two?

[@albedz7759]

I'd love to see Cossa take one of those last two games against Montreal if it's clear the Wings aren't gonna make the playoffs. Although the Griffins will probably be on their own playoff run still.

[@bradmaguire9611]

I'd wait on cossa til maybe next season. It took him a while to get to the griffins because he was a slow starter and didn't look good when they first brought him up to g.r. then he had to work his confidence up as he was getting shelled in Toledo after. Goalies take a little longer to develop, let him get a run in the playing g.r. then maybe next year.

[@fredhenrick]

Id like to see Edvinssen, Johannson. Solderblom, Casper, snd Mazar

[@coreyshafer4747]

A few things to note. Tuomisto is right shot and playing top pair minutes in GR. Soderblom started slow, but has been heating up and playing pk time as well, and he has played a large handful of games in the NHL already, so he knows what to expect.

[@artiecrisp9348]

ASP is not the only RD prospect. Don't under sell Tuoimisto on RD, he's come along nicely in GR playing top line minutes and projects to be a big, solid third pairing RD. Andrew Gibson is another with a promise in OHL, not to forget Anton Johansson in SHL.

[@Kyle-Pressley]

Send Holl and a 4th rounder to the Yotes for a 7th round pick or future considerations, don’t resign Ghost, send Maatta away for 6th rounder and there’s room for one more defenseman and there’s plenty of room for 2 more forwards if they’re good enough

[@FOGNLnetwork]

LGRW 🐙

[@rh21992]

LGRW

[@Clayfurd]

#TrashThePatch

[@rh21992]

Not superstitious but the coincidence can’t be ignored

[@Clayfurd]

@@rh21992 I’m just a little stitious, the patch needs to go!

[@user-pd5qz2vt2c]

No patches. Never again.

[@nirvanaguitar]

Hate to break it to you all, but no amount of bitching is going to remove the patch. I hate it too, but there's too much money involved for a greedy, no good man like Chris to ever think about getting rid of it.

[@Clayfurd]

@@nirvanaguitar #TrashThePatch

[@davidlaffin5747]

What player have the Redwings drafted that will replace Larkin as a number 1 center? I don't see one. I see a number of second or third line centers.

[@icedo1013]

You seem to be laboring under the false and rather silly pretense that Larkin isn’t a #1C. You should figure out what went wrong in your life to lead you to such a demonstrably indefensible opinion and seek to rid yourself of that flawed influence.

[@Winged_Wagon_Nation]

Unless Steve lands a star in free agency here’s your look into the future. Larkin(1C) Danielson(2C) Kasper(3C)

[@davidlaffin5747]

@@icedo1013 he is a #1 center, but by the time these kids are ready to make an impact in the NHL, Larkin will no longer be a #1 center. He turns 28 this year and he has suffered from a lot of injuries in his career. I don't expect him to be a great player for too many more years. That means you need someone coming up that will fill that role. I don't see a Larkin in their prospects!

[@scottritcey5166]

​@@icedo1013Larkin is a 2C on a lot of teams. He's good but not a star player

[@user-ig1tc7gw4f]

Larkin is a terrific player & teammate but is not a great center. Not certain that they have that type of player in the system and may have to make a bold move to trade for one. Compher is a very solid player but probably no more than a #3 & Copp a #4 if they even keep him. Will be very difficult to get that type of center on the free agent market.

[@JoePizza810]

Who was Simon’s d pair in GR?

[@nicksmith8141]

One or two rookies that are 100% ready would be fine. Berggren will either be up or traded in the off season. I think Danielson is a dark horse to make the team next year. Sandin-Pellikka, Cossa and Kasper are a possibilities for 25-26. Hard to say with the depth prospects like Johansson Lombardi, and Mazur.

[@user-ig1tc7gw4f]

As Brian stated, there is a logjam on the left side of the defense. Yes, you can trade one or more prospects but also a trade of one of the existing defensemen should be considered, including Maata, Charott & even Waldman . All three of these players are very solid esp. Waldman but they might be able to get a top 3 or 6 winger. Charoot is also a physical player and has teamed up very well with Mo Seider. I am not in favor of trading either Walman or Charott unless the return justifies such a move.

[@justinshields3819]

Detroit Red Wings future line-up depth chart: 2028 est: Mazur Larkin Raymond Soderblom Danielson Buchelnikov Hanas Kasper Lombardi Finnie N.D. Nilsson Neiderbach James, Savage Edvidsson Seider Wallinder ASP Buium Gibson A. Johansson Tuomisto Cossa Augustine

[@Clownconspirator]

That danielson line could be lethal

[@chevelle1]

Majority of these kids will be lucky to develop into solid AHL’ers, much less stick in the NHL. Some will take another 5-6 years to make it. You’re projecting their current success in juniors will translate to ECHL/AHL and then NHL. The AHL level is amassive jump for most junior players. The NHL isn’t even in the same universe. While it’s fun to project what kids might do in the future, I don’t even bother until they’ve gotten their training wheels in the AHL. We’ll be fortunate if 20% of your list is on the roster in 2028, and it’ll surprise you who they are. They’ll be some high picks that bust, some low picks that surprise. History has shown this repeatedly. I remember these hyped up kids being on same list as yours years ago. -Teemu Pulkinnen, Martin Frk, Riley Sheahan, Filip Zadina (supposed to be top winger) Dennis Cholowski (supposed to be our future top pair dman)Evgeni Svechnikov (future franchise player) Jakub Kindl, Tomas Jurco, Zach Nastasiuk, Vile Saarijarvi, Brendan Smith, and I’ll add Michael Rasmussen, supposed to be future franchise centerman, 2C at worst. I’ll give credit to Ras, he changed his game some in order to stick in the league as a 3rd/4th line guy, I like his game overall, but we did not spend a 9th overall pick to get what he provides. Not to piss in your Cheerios bud, but projecting kids, most of whom haven’t even developed into top AHL’ers yet, is just guessing. Reality is, it’s extraordinarily rare to draft a sure thing beyond 2nd-3rd overall. We have a good pool of kids which gives a slightly higher chance than average that 1 or 2 more make it. Success in juniors is a good sign, but doesn’t mean nearly as much as some fans think.

[@DefectiveSquash]

I want to see Dimitri Buchelnikov in NA asap. Could he be the wings version of Kucherov?

[@user-ed6nt1ml6p]

Same man...

[@marks.3498]

It was obvious the Wings ran out of gas and had to dig deep down the stretch. I think you bring in the younger guys that demonstrate they are ready for the NHL and mix them in with the veteran players as you go. Slowly replace pieces with the younger guys and keep that going for sustained success.

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

Probably next year.

[@johngolfer9244]

We need big, fast, strong, smart defenders. Wallinder, Tuomisto, Johansson will fill spots when they are stronger and smarter - that takes conditioning, ice time and experience. Nobody knows better than SY when a kid is ready for the NHL.

[@Pson90]

Feels like a lot of people forget about Söderblom, and underestimate Berggren :/ I think those two and A.Johansson will be on the roster next season, or at least they should be.

[@pa6491]

Berggren can't play D. He's a one dimensional player. He's gone.

[@Pson90]

@@pa6491 I disagree.

[@nickfury8973]

It is funny to read all these comments questioning Yzerman’s roster management and long term plan Like Scotty said, the team is doing better and better over the last 4 seasons, and it is already a playoffs bubble team. The only way to go is up. Patience and let the man cook. I would trust the best player that this franchise ever had, and one of the best GMs in the league who has proven he has built a cup winning roster and culture in Tampa. Anything else is just beer talk.

[@jeremycoyle2782]

Capitols lost tonight so there is still hope.

[@casewojo6186]

We’re kind of chasing Philly at this point. Islanders are more of a threat than the Caps. Caps have no business being where they are in the standings.

[@b-retrogamer2324]

@@casewojo6186and Detroit does?

[@casewojo6186]

@@b-retrogamer2324 the -30 is a dead giveaway buddy.

[@TimmyGotTriggered88]

Islanders and Penguins at this point are both a threat. The devils keep losing but any team could go on a heater. Still too many games left.

[@jchristner82]

I think Yzerman made a shift in the Yzerplan after getting shafted by the lottery too many times. So, he made the decision to skip that part of the rebuild and instead started building the main roster around the age of Larkin. I agree with him, I don't think the kids in GR are necessarily the answer. Prospects always get over hyped and end up being Teemu P.

[@jonathanmoody390]

After this year Steve doesn't have any excuses because he'll have plenty of cap space and plenty of picks. If we're not firmly in the playoffs next year, we really need to start asking questions.

[@cliffspahr9483]

Don't forget that 14-16+ million will be spent on resigning Sieder and Raymond

[@jonathanmoody390]

@@cliffspahr9483 They'll still have plenty enough to sign a top 6 defenseman as well as a top 6 forward. Not to mention all the picks we have to use for trades. At some point, you have to stop building and start requiring assets.

[@jimmiebull1]

Need to remember hockey is a business and you might want to shift your worldview to consider prospects as assets to be invested in many different ways. The Griffins are a legitimate asset to the red wing organization. trades are made with assets. To make a long run you need to have a blend. You need to assure that the pipeline is a long one. You also need to understand team chemistry and culture. A focus on a youth movement could be counterproductive at times. A players ceiling needs to be understood in the context of when you believe (based on the eye test) they can achieve that level of consistent play.

[@casewojo6186]

Bring up the youth next season anyway this season ends. I really hope Kane sticks around. I think that superstar talent is good for the youngins.

[@empireofdirt9045]

Everyone wants that Buffalo Scary Good team, you have to build that.

[@RS-jd2py]

What does everything think the odds of kane resigning is?

[@davideggleston1031]

He wants to play for a winner but he also wants lots of ice time and to play on the power play. If he can sign with a team that meets his personal needs he will leave the Wings in a heart beat.

[@stevenlitkey9354]

ZERO

[@Hellboydrw]

If they don’t make the playoffs, SY brings the youth up

[@spencerdobkin9479]

No way. I agree with Scott it will be a combo. The pressure is going to go way up if they miss again on Stevie.

[@davideggleston1031]

Yes the Wings have defensive prospects but no young power forwards in the system. How can it be the 5 year of the rebuild and no power forwards in the system? Larkin needs a big strong Burtizzi type winger to run cover for him and the prospect cupboard is bare.

[@DefectiveSquash]

Trade for Brady Tkachuk

[@DefectiveSquash]

Trade for Brady Tkachuk

[@RS-jd2py]

If they resign Kane, Perron and Valeno, they probably only have 2-4 million in cap space and only one open roster spot. Definitely need to clear some people out or at least bring back Austin. Bregs and AJ I don't think are waiver eligible either so they need to be on the team or traded. Would suck, but may need to cut someone and eat the cap hit.

[@twwap294]

Newsy has to go. He has mishandled the goalie situation all season long. He benched Justin Holl but keeps Petry in the lineup? Time for a change.

[@spencerdobkin9479]

He should have been fired weeks ago.

[@datcrazywhiteboy6205]

When Lalonde is fired

[@henrymoon6351]

its not an inherent guarantee that veterans will play well either; copp, petry, holl, maata, sprong, chariot, reimer. all of these guys are entirely unreliable, uneven and uninspiring...bring up the kids please...no more sh9t retreads

[@OFDProductions]

I have high hopes for Danielson, but let’s not forget Zach Benson was still on the board, who started immediately in Buffalo and had over a 20 point season. Hoping SY is not starting to get too cute with the draft choices.

[@europason2293]

I definitely would have preferred Benson, however, our center prospect depth is pretty much nonexistent outside of Kasper, and Benson is probably gonna continue to play on the wing in the NHL, so I don't think the Danielson pick was all that bad. I think Danielson is actually far better than his counting stats might suggest, which is all most people look at. His short stint in Portland shows what he's capable of when surrounded with better talent. I would not be surprised if he makes the team out of camp next year, but I would bet he spends some time in the AHL and gets called up if he continues to impress. I think he's one of the most well-rounded players in the 2023 draft class, especially defensively, and I think he could do a lot to help improve team defense, so he may be up sooner than a lot of people might have initially guessed.

[@ericw3229]

Rating prospects is way overrated. On average how many minor leaguers end up in key positions on top teams? Obviously, it won't be this season. What happens next season will depend during the off season. Who can they sign and trade for? How many assets will need to be moved if they make trades? It' s clear this current group is not nearly good enough and changes are needed.

[@destiny-theseries]

Edvinsson is the only Griffin player that can play in the NHL right now. Berggren and Czarnik are gone after this season. To have a youth movement for the sake of having a youth movement, will kill any progress the team has made. This all being said, This Brian guy's ideas of signing all these big name free agents is unrealistic. Guentzel and Reinhart already stated they want to re-sign with Florida, and are in negotiations with Florida right now. Give me a break. Also, this Brian guy LOVES to hear himself talk. This show isn't much of a conversation...

[@TitleistGuy]

We need less 35 year olds and more 22 year olds.

[@nk7570]

Just waive the old defensemen down to the AHL next season. Maybe someone takes them for free.

[@broaaakkkaaa3822]

I hope we keep sprong

[@donallan6396]

The time " to nurture " players is in the minor leagues , OHL and college hockey, etc. But when athletes reach the upper levels and become paid for professionals , that period is over. Yes, players need to develop and gain experience , but in terms of attitude, they need to perform. I believe Derek Lalonde demonstrates a nurturing style of coaching that is good at the lower levels of the sport.But in terms of the NHL , he simply is out of his league.He is a nice guy , but he is just out of his element. There have been just too many lapses in individual and team performance that have resulted in unacceptable results. Derek Lalonde needs to be replaced. And Yzerman needs to understand that his reputation is starting to frey . Fans need to stop being apologists and start demanding better results. Creeping up a few points in the standings every year is unacceptable.Basically, the organization needs a good kick in the pants, and replacing Lalonde is a good start.

[@justinshields3819]

The official youth movement begins at the start of the 2025-2026 season. At the start of 2024-2025 season: Locks: Edvidsson, (Berggren?) Competing - Dark Horse: Kasper, Danielson, Mazur, Johansson, (ASP?), Cossa At the start of the 2025-2026 season: Locks: Kasper, Danielson, Mazur, ASP, Soderblom, Johansson, Cossa? Competing - Dark Horse: Buchelnikov, Hanas, Wallinder, Tuomisto, Lombardi

[@nirvanaguitar]

That's been my biggest complaint about the #yzerplan. Steve's prospect management has been terrible imo. Doesn't help his coaching hires all prove to impede the youth movement as well.

[@user-ed6nt1ml6p]

Lol if he brought Edvinsson a year before he would ruin him and look now kid is Way better worked on his flaws .. No offense but Stevie knows better than you how to manage those kids

[@nirvanaguitar]

No, shit? The 3 time Stanley cup champion knows more than me? Thanks for the heads up. I'm sick of you fuckers acting like Steve is a god and above criticism. I love Steve and think he's done a decent job considering what he walked into. I also think he's made mistakes. Guess what? Both things can be true.@@user-ed6nt1ml6p

[@RogerDowney-zn2kv]

Wings need to bring up 2 or 3 each year to keep team young. Otherwise you have older, slower, over the hill guys whose best years are behind them and still paying them $ that could be used differently. LGRW 🏒