When you play it at Czerny's tempo (on an old piano)

Pianist: ‪@minkyukim0204‬
Piece: Czerny op. 299 no. 2

[@thekeyoflifepiano]

"Not even with all one’s critical speed is it possible to catch up with Herr Czerny. Had I enemies, I would, in order to destroy them, force them to listen to nothing but music such as this. The insipidity of these variations is really phenomenal." -Robert Schumann, On Music and Musicians (1854); Paul Rosenfeld, trans., Konrad Wolff, ed. (1969)

[@VeguldenZilverling]

​@Chlorinda I protest. He wrote more than just exercises.

[@handavid6421]

his music has a lot of adversaries and fewer supporters, and it's easy on first look to see that his music seems... lacking... of spirit, ( not his exercises but his symphonies and more artful compositions ) but we must be careful on criticizing a musical style based on our subjective empiricals, as many in the same basis feel that the music is good, and in the same way musical styles that are recieved positively by the majority... are often found to be tasteless and repetitive and further on to claimed that it is "objectively bad" by the minorities...

[@utvpoop]

Wim Winters hates this comment

[@adeemuff]

@@utvpoop lol I really thought about him when I saw the title of the video

[@RusskyVoyennyKorablIdiNakhui]

@Chlorinda Check out this first pf. sonata, which Liszt played in concerts. Then reconsider your ingnorant statement.

[@adeemuff]

The Whole Beat theory has entered the chat

[@alexandertaylor7316]

And hopefully promptly left.

[@thomasphelmer2657]

​@@alexandertaylor7316 Nothing about this video disproves double beat

[@geiryvindeskeland7208]

@thomasphelmer2657. There are old written sources that do not confirm double beat tempos. The signature «@jorislejeune»: Le Pianiste was a Parisian paper on piano playing and music (from 1833 till 1835) and wrote negatively about Czerny, certainly about the op 299. They complained that ‘all these studies require 800 notes per minute’, which is only true in single beat. (800 notes per minute equals 13.3 per second) The signature @pawncube 2050: In Czerny’s op 740 no 13 he says that the study is for acquiring the utmost possible speed and in it the metronome mark gives roughly 15 notes a second. We understand that double beat tempos in Czerny op 299 are unlikely when a number of children play the exercises faster than the virtuoso Czerny. Here are a few examples among several: Czerny : School of Velocity Op. 299 no.1 Kemruji Songthhumjitti No 3 Kemruji Songthhumjitti Czerny Op. 299 No. 17 by William Zhang (10 Yrs old) Carl Czerny Op.299 No.8 Suppakrit Payackso (Age 8) C. Czerny Etude Op.299, No.24 in D major puri138

[@bradleyscarffpiano2921]

@@thomasphelmer2657kinda does, the entire premise hangs on impossible mm speeds. Just because no one’s spent the time to play them at tempo doesn’t mean they’re impossible.

[@thomasphelmer2657]

@@bradleyscarffpiano2921 It's possible to practice the first few Czerny Op. 299 exercises until you can play them double speed. But that doesn't account for the vast number of metronome marks that are so laughably impossible that no serious musician even tries to claim that they're playable. This video does nothing to address the underlying problem

[@sebastjavier]

wim winters disapproves this

[@evaxu1325]

I am amazed, literally like this: 😮

[@isaacbeen2087]

You get a bunch of negative comments on your videos, perhaps this will spark a few more; I hope you keep making videos anyways, they’re very fun.

[@anfalagu]

Algunas obras como laa sonatas y concuertos me parecen interesantes

[@artie360]

At this speed it is completely unmusical.

[@geiryvindeskeland7208]

artie360. Whatever the speed, this is an unmusical piece. For where is the beautiful expressive melody? Where do we find the expressive harmonies? And where are the gorgeos modulations? We find none of the aforemenioned. Also, where are all the Italian words that composers use to express emotions and moods? We don’t find any of that either. And why not? Because it is a technical exercise

[@johannsebastianbach3411]

everybody always knew that czerny was not musical, even in his time. czerny is just a less boring way of practicing scales, and that was his intention to begin with

[@Wkkbooks]

A cute little piece, tho nicer at a slightly slower tempo.

[@geiryvindeskeland7208]

Wkkbooks, slower tempo? No, because then the whole point is gone. Wim Winters, quote: «The best argument FOR the WBMP are the thousands of metronome marks that nobody every will be able to play and we simply ignore.» Because Wim Winters’ disciples believe everything he says, it ‘s imperative that someone play Czerny’s own MM-numbers, which Wim Winters claims is impossible. If Minkyu Kim had played slower than 208, WW’s disciples could triumphantly say» HAHA, he can’t play it fast enough, Wim is right!» Thanks to Minkyu Kim and some others playing Czerny’s own MM-numbers, it confirms that time after time Wim doesn’t know what he is talking about. It is important to preserve the true history of music, that people realize that whole beat theory has never been a reality.

[@XPKpianist]

No, train your ears to hear faster. This tempo is as indicated by the composer.

[@Wkkbooks]

@@geiryvindeskeland7208 Ah, the tyranny of Wim Wenders . . while otherwise the pianist is allowed some discretion about tempo, and the listener is allowed preferences.

[@Wkkbooks]

@@XPKpianist I heard it all quite well, thank you. Actually I liked it better the second time.

[@orso4548]

Single or Double Beat, for sure this is NOT how it is supposed to be played...

[@geiryvindeskeland7208]

@orso4548. Kim play the exact tempo that Czerny marked, so then you have to tell us: what is he doing wrong?

[@HermanIngram]

A little too slow

[@HaritheRenaissanceMan]

I guess no one will comment on how dreadfully out of tune the piano is (in addition to whatever else people may gripe about, regarding this piece). Looks like a fortepiano, either antique or a replica. Oh well.

[@martinbennett2228]

There is the possibility that Czerny was not very musical, that he could play the piano, but not the music. His edition of Bach might support this assessment.

[@lorenzocassani8169]

Check out his sonatas and piano concertos , then come back

[@Marcymmx]

Don't you know Czerny was Beethoven's student and Liszt's teacher?

[@martinbennett2228]

@@Marcymmx Of course, moreover I have read quite a lot about Liszt, some of his writing and accounts from some of his students. Although I have seen accounts where Liszt recognises the discipline Czerny bought to Liszt's technique, I cannot recall anywhere where Liszt praises Czerny's musicianship. It is obvious from Czerny's compositions, including his studies, that he was accomplished, but there are other indications, such as his Bach editions that he might have had important limitations as a musician.

[@mckernan603]

@@martinbennett2228his Bach edition was Chopin’s Bible

[@brandonmacey964]

​@@martinbennett2228 I think we all can safely conclude that Czerny was an outstanding musician

[@francescopiotroiano3078]

È antimusicale!!!

[@orso4548]

preso con questo tempo è un obbrobrio....

[@handavid6421]

while impressive, it's still an exercise, and does not really have the necessary artistic value so that the player can display not only mechanical abilities, but his ability to play musically at the same time.

[@10mimu]

👍

[@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat]

Hence Robert Schumann's comment.

[@handavid6421]

​@@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat well... it's not really a piece of music that intended to be musical, though I think Schumann's comments are even valid for Czerny's symphonies or pieces that intend to be musical.

[@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat]

@@handavid6421 That's Czerny's fault. Chopin, Liszt, and Debussy all wrote musical excercises that stand out as art.

[@handavid6421]

​@@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat of course, I don't believe in these pathetic "excercizes" either. I believe he's a menace to the musical world. the best way to kill any interests of new students.