Where are Skywarp and Thundercracker? Answer: What happened to every Seeker in TFP/Aligned

Did you ever wonder why Starscream is alone in Transformers Prime? What happened to the classic trine? It turns out there were a lot of Seekers and some very bad things happened to them...
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[@AGuyNamedGray]

Imagine how much better Starscream’s armada would be if Skywarp & Thundercracker were there

[@samjones7834]

Yeah, it is a shame that neither appeared. Especially since it would’ve been easy to add them as they could’ve just done what nearly every other Transformers series does with Thundercracker and Skywarp and just have them be recolours of Starscream.

[@justsomewritingfan2202]

Primes second largest flaw (in my opinion) is a serious lack of characters. I know that a smaller cast was easier to manage but come on we have like around 27 cybertronians in the entirety of 3 seasons and a movie. 16 if we exclude minor Characters.

[@geethau4676]

@@justsomewritingfan2202 They had to spend a lot of money on the show so if they added more characters,they would have had to cancel the show.

[@ironhorsehistorian9871]

@@geethau4676 kinda like beast wars?

[@justsomewritingfan2202]

@@geethau4676 I mean youre not wrong, but the excuse is pretty weak if you look at the amount of character models / model redesigns the movies had (whos models were FAR more expensive)

[@Sp00kyBones]

14:38 "Jetfire and Springer do not trust Jetfire at all." Trust no one. Not even yourself.

[@septatron1963]

Ok. I will not trust my passengers and myself for carrying humans 24/7 to places that they need to be at or want to be at.

[@Warlord_Megatron]

Lmao i noticed that too

[@LukeLeafs]

He mess up 😂

[@pancho855]

Our poor sweet child Thundercracker... may he rust in peace.

[@SubFxcus]

;)

[@AGuyNamedGray]

@@SubFxcus you live???

[@SubFxcus]

@@AGuyNamedGray *y e s*

[@Samuel_Loegan]

@@SubFxcus I think you should've been in the show, you and Skywarp and the rest

[@danielbrant6740]

At least his G1 IDW incarnation got a puppy.

[@grumpgremlin7695]

Now I understand Starscreams bitterness, also his fear of Megatron as he lost his mates and is alone. If I’m correct seekers can go insane when they lose a trinemate, let alone more than 1

[@kiriki4558]

I think that last part Is headcanon, not canon.

[@GloomGaiGar]

"trinemate" is that how we're justifying repaints now lol

[@brookerickettson4950]

If this can be considered cannon, it would explain so much about his unstable emotional and mental swings.

[@jartist583]

You mean like "I lose a part of me when my sibling died" but literally? ☉_☉...

[@akashgurung2308]

Did Starscream actually cared about any of his seeker troops? He was partially responsible for Skywarp's death after in the novel. Even in G1 Starscream willingly allows Thunder cracker and Skywarp to be thrown out of Astrotrain and into space along with Megatron only to have their corpses reformatted into new characters even after all those years together. I doubt he cares for a lot of other people.

[@susannsteininger5589]

Starscream betrayed Skywarp like that? That's kinda evil, but I still like him.

[@ironhorsehistorian9871]

Screamer does what Screamer does 😎

[@AGuyNamedGray]

@@ironhorsehistorian9871 well you can tell where he’s coming from, as a proud and well respected seeker he was angry when Skywarp didn’t give Starscream the acknowledgment Starscream thought he deserved

[@susannsteininger5589]

@@AGuyNamedGray That hardly justifies killing him.

[@croakinc3670]

Scream is evil but we love him anyway

[@nassirshahshah7216]

I thought he tried to kill megs with the bomb doe

[@AndrewAvina08]

TFP was a good show

[@vibe3063]

Tbh good doesnt cover it. *only good one.* This is a joke dont take it so srsly.

[@justsomewritingfan2202]

Definitly one of the five if not three Best.

[@dragon_girl12]

I don't know why they dedicate money to making new transformers shows, when they should just make a prequel to this

[@nova_omega1566]

No it wasn't good It was god tier

[@minimoonie6431]

*is*

[@sharkbyte1565]

fun fact: skywarp was going to be in transformers prime his design was basically the same as Starscream with the only difference being a black and purple color palette but he was unfortunately scrapped (no pun intended) before he made it in to the final product

[@warlord8525]

That is so sad

[@vortexthecomplex5369]

I heard that he was going to fill skyquake's role

[@cherry414]

The dude rarely show up in movies and shows. It would've been a great opportunity for him :(

[@Smashboi76]

So he'd be starscreams twin brother in prime as well, dammit I wish we did get him

[@simpletoastvibes]

Makes me sad that they didn't include him, he's my favorite seeker

[@DeinotronTheTerrible]

Starscream: All by myself. Don't wanna be ALL BY MYSELF.

[@grumpgremlin7695]

Hugs Starscream

[@whynot6266]

*hugs Starscream because he deserves it*

[@zzz7903]

Armada flashback: *even the minicons have left me*

[@blueink-2230]

Skywarp 😢 why can't the happy decepticons that are friends with everyone get a happy endings, or just not getting the most brutal death.

[@debraashilley6517]

I feel your pain brother 😢

[@chormiadabot5850]

F for skywarp

[@dkkanofkash8798]

For real Skywarp is one of my favorite Decepticons. I loved his ability to teleport in IDW

[@morena0758]

brooooo i feel the same way :(

[@luvblueybingoheeler3150]

F

[@Darth-vade123]

It's sad to know thundercracker and skywarp were killed in such a way

[@USER-SO1ZI2GM]

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[@Darth-vade123]

​@@USER-SO1ZI2GMbut in truth it just adds to how dark primeverse is

[@TheCrusadingKING]

It’s unfortunate that many seekers have died. IMO if they really wanted to, with starscreams’ strategies, the seekers could literally take over the deceptions. They have speed, firepower and numbers. Not to mention the coolest names. (Thunder cracker, skywarp, starscream)

[@maisathedragonartist3364]

Starscream lost more partners than Arcee! ;^;

[@itsmant3]

Thats why he is insane

[@maisathedragonartist3364]

@@itsmant3 I don't think Starscream is insane, well, maybe Airachnid :

[@thomaspurol9322]

Shit, they could have bonded and went the armada route. Another of the few things wrong with prime

[@joshrandom3911]

@@thomaspurol9322 had to bring the feels

[@septatron1963]

@@itsmant3 I think you meant, Lonely and wanting friends.

[@elitegamer21005]

TFP missed out on including the seekers and connecting the show to the Cybertron games

[@DeinotronTheTerrible]

No, some died in Retribution.

[@elitegamer21005]

@@DeinotronTheTerrible I’m aware personally I think it was dumb not having the games be connected to TFP

[@DeinotronTheTerrible]

@@elitegamer21005 Yeah... the may sins of the (Mis)Aligned continuity.

[@justsomewritingfan2202]

Also can we acknoledge (sorry for grammar) how ubisoft fucked up trying to connect the games to the movies ?

[@elitegamer21005]

@@justsomewritingfan2202 the Cybertron games are supposed to be connected to TFP not the movies

[@muhammadtroll2835]

Damn, no wonder Starscream is traumatized

[@plantainsame2049]

Everybody is traumatized except Megatron he's high on that purple space crack

[@SubFxcus]

:( but in all seriousness i wished the two other OG seekers were in transformers prime

[@Greenkitten45]

Agreed 😔

[@kylesinkovich8332]

Out of the Seekers, Starscream would have to be the best. But my favourite will always be Thundercracker, mainly because his story is so different in the IDW story. He's a good Decepticon but barely believes in the cause, he eventually leaves them and becomes a freaking Movie Writer for Earth, he even gets a pet dog named Buster. Out of the Coneheaded Seekers I'd say Dirge is the best one mainly due to the fact he uses fear as a weapon and his buddies Ramjet and Thrust are creeped out by him.

[@SubFxcus]

:)

[@cherry414]

Thundercracker was my first Transformers toy. I made sure he was my first even though he was a bit pricier than the other toys when I saw him in my local toystore. I loved him more in IDW. He's awesome.

[@fool1k426]

1:08 why does starscream look so different simply by lowering his shoulders and straitening his back!?

[@xRaiofSunshine]

Gremlin mode deactivated

[@fool1k426]

@@xRaiofSunshine XD true.

[@Rubywing4]

lol I thought the same thing and even made a meme about it a long time ago, using almost the exact same words you just used: www.deviantart.com/zorathetwilightdrake/art/TFP-Starscream-Meme-682207262

[@minimoonie6431]

I just realized that STARSCREAM WHAT THE HECK

[@fool1k426]

@@minimoonie6431 lol XD I know right?

[@Breadn]

I guess the fact that Starscream is one of the only seekers that survived just shows how skilled; though cowardice, he is. I feel like it was really just a move to reduce production costs, it just feels so un-transformers-like to only have one seeker around.

[@henryfanforever1414]

Remember what Bayverse Starscream said in Revenge of the Fallen? “Not to call you a coward, Master…..but sometimes cowards do survive.” That ideology could easily be applied to his tfp counterpart

[@GloomGaiGar]

lots of fools confuse picking one's fights with cowardice

[@Breadn]

@@GloomGaiGar No he's very cowardice. Trembling in front of Megatron, jealous and scared at the idea of Shockwave being the new second in command, etc. He actually doesn't pick his fights very well as we can see with him trying to overthrow Megatron.

[@vullx7043]

@@Breadn mate if you were beat everyday but some dude wayy bigger then you and carries around a cannon, you would be trembling in your boots too.

[@sizzler9731]

​@@Breadn bro acting like Starscream being scared of the very violent and much larger Megatron means he is a coward.

[@colemanbrenner6555]

What would they look like in prime style? would they have unique designs or the same as starscream? I always like unique designs and wish there were more characters shown like the Constructicons (of course)

[@greendecepticon6148]

Starscream but with different voices. Skywarp and thundercraker mentioned in the games that they both look the same

[@-Wayla-]

Take a look at Dreadwing and Skyquake who are not the same body as Screamer Thundercracker and Skywarp probably would be similar, with few extra details to make them different from each other

[@emperorkumquat]

They would have their own bodies because Aligned says that everyone is uniquely made in the Well of Allsparks. Exceptions are twins like Skyquake and Dreadwing. When you look at game designs and toys, you shouldn’t take them as the legit designs (it was easier for the developers but we should use our imagination)

[@colemanbrenner6555]

@@emperorkumquat I totally agree. I am just fascinated by cybertronian character design because of their uniqueness. There is seemingly an endless number of robot and vehicle designs for the characters (plus the transformations).

[@Rubywing4]

I would think at least Thundercracker and Skywarp would look similar to their game designs, with a few alterations. Firstly, they wouldn't have noses, obviously. And they would maybe have similar body designs to Dreadwing and Skyquake. Secondly, I would like to imagine Thundercracker turning into the same kind of jet as Skyquake and Dreadwing (mostly because of Fowler's jet being a copy of their jet mode, but being a blue one, so I liked to think that might have been a dormant Thundercracker... until I learned he's dead, ofc :/). Skywarp, I like to think he would turn into a Japanese jet fighter, because I like imagining he would like the Japanese culture, since he's kind of a "ninja" himself. XD Furthermore, I like to imagine Skywarp would be a bit sleeker than Thundercracker, to make him more agile and more ninja-like, so he can better avoid attacks and use teleportation. Thundercracker just uses sonic cannons to deafen his opponents and weaken them, like Knock Out did with the Resonance Blaster to Bee and Arcee. I would think they have similar heads/helms, but having slightly different designs, maybe Thundercracker's could be dark gray while Skywarp's is black. I would think Thundercracker and Skywarp would be about a head shorter than Dreadwing/Skyquake, since those two are really big Seekers, and TC and Warp probably used to be about the same size as Starscream. In his original body, Starscream was probably about a head taller than his Prime body, at least that's what I like to imagine. They might be of the average sized Seekers, while DW and SQ (as well as Jetfire) are of the large size, since Jetfire in the game is also shown to be about a head taller than Starcream (and thus the other two as well). I would think Slipstream is about the same height as Thundercracker and Skywarp, but much sleeker than them. The wiki does have a nice design of her at the top of her page, which looks as if that could have been her Prime design. It's different from the in-game design, apparently, I think, so I think it would work well for her. I also never thought TC, Warp or any of the other Seekers would look like Prime Starscream, since it's implicated he's pretty much the only one who changed bodies. I caught onto this by watching Fall of Cybertron, where the last we see of Starscream is him getting thrown by Grimlock into the wall, knocking him unconscious. Maybe not enough to make him get a new body, but later Grimlock caused one of Shockwave's towers to collapse, and one of the towers is the one where Starscream is unconscious in, so I like to imagine he's in the same tower that collapsed, and that might have caused him enough damage to make him change bodies. Of course, this is in the game and not the novel, but it did make me realize Starscream looks like this in Prime because he changed bodies and no other Seeker did, so they would look completely different from him.

[@dinoguy163]

8:58 Shout out to Aligned Dirge, for being one of the few Dirges to not die.

[@marleyhenry5616]

And slipstream

[@Soundwave._]

I needed the cheer up of Starscream's sass at the end to compensate for learning that the wiki lied to me about my faves Bitstream and Hotlink surviving. Rest in peace, my beautiful nerds... ;-;

[@Soundwave._]

At least Dirge is alright, but this hurts right in my blue Seeker loving feels. Alas, poor Thundercracker, taken from us too soon...

[@SubFxcus]

;)

[@Soundwave._]

@@SubFxcus TC, stay far away from piranhacon lakes!

[@amjthe_paleosquare9399]

Petition to get a TF series focused on seccondary and tertiary characters 😤👊

[@greendecepticon6148]

The name contrail was mentioned in rid. He was the boss of terrashock the buffalo decepticon.

[@emperorkumquat]

Yes, he may or may not be still alive somewhere. I think Contrail might be fine because I doubt he threw himself into battles

[@camrendavis6650]

Sunstorm was always my favorite seeker, I love the fight he has with Jetfire

[@Soundwave._]

Sunstorm is so underrated! We need to see more of him!

[@Rubywing4]

IKR!!! Sunstorm is my second favorite Seeker, he needs more screentime! Plus I love the concept of him and Starscream being brothers (even though he was a clone of Starscream but shhh). I really long for a show where they're brothers, maybe Spark Twins like Dreadwing and Skyquake?

[@Soundwave._]

@@Rubywing4 That would be so cool! I bet he'd make a great foil for Starscream! Plus his outlier ability has so much potential.

[@Rubywing4]

@@Soundwave._ Yeah! I've always loved his special ability and that it makes him so dangerous to the touch and he can disrupt machinery around him! I like to imagine Sunstorm would probably be a neutral rather than a Decepticon, and that because of his outlier ability he might be like "banished" or at least sent away from society so he doesn't harm anyone, and he has to live alone and learn to control his powers (coz I imagine in his youth he would have a hard time controlling them). And thus he would avoid the war and choosing factions, maybe even having left Cybertron all together, then returning and be like "What the heck happened here?!" and then try find the Autobots and Decepticons (mainly Starscream) to find out what happened, and then maybe join up with Star and the Cons, or maybe just continue being a neutral that can side with either as long as it makes sense in the way of Primus. Because I'm certain he would still be a religious fanatic, like he was in Dreamwave, or perhaps just more religious or spiritual than most bots, even more than Prime. I also like to imagine that Sunstorm would have yellow eyes instead of red, since he has those in Dreamwave, and also it looks more neutral than red (even though eye color doesn't have anything to do with faction but whatever XD). I've written several stories with Sunstorm in them, explaining about his past and stuff (although he's only really made a present appearance in three of them, and I currently have five stories with Sunstorm in them/mentioned in them) and it's almost always the same thing = Starscream's twin brother => has trouble controlling his ability => gets banished from civilization => learns to control his power => returns to Starscream => goes crazy or something. The only exception to this is my only G1 story on FanFiction and AO3 where Sunstorm is actually a Decepticon, since it's based on the G1 cartoon, where he's with them. He still has yellow eyes though, even though they're red in the show... Primus, I love Sunstorm! I also wrote a Cyberverse story where Starscream's a ghost and he thinks about his younger days with Sunstorm as the Winglord and Star as the Air Commander, and then he overthrows Sunstorm and has both leading titles while Sunstorm is again banished from civilization. I don't know why I love to banish Sunstorm from civilization so much... XD It just makes sense to me XD

[@Soundwave._]

@@Rubywing4 I can totally see Sunstorm getting banished for being a danger to society, that'd be an interesting way for him to preserve Cybertron's culture during the war through his obsession. Plus, there's a canon precedent for him struggling to control his ability and being ostracised for it, even doing damage to his own internal systems, so it's not that much of a stretch that he might be cast out altogether for the safety of others, the council believing he'd perish on his own. Poor mentally unstable clone, he's not very lucky with his lot in life. Dreamwave was just fantastic for Sunstorm representation honestly. We need more stuff like that, unafraid to explore some minor characters instead of the same ones each time. Ey do you have the link to those Sunstorm fics? They sound like exactly my cup of tea!

[@davidh429]

I wonder how many decepticons are alive by the end of prime, including potentially alive

[@trailbreakertv8918]

Knockout, starscream, megs , shockwave

[@marleyhenry5616]

Soundwave

[@ishashifar]

In the prime cast besides Breakdown ,skyquake and dreadwing, all of them are alive

[@HouseDracul]

I wish TFP had done a little more to show us more of the classic Seeker sextet.

[@zexalcommander7036]

I don’t know if there’s any descriptive info on him, but I imagine Aligned Redwing being the equivalent of an “Ace pilot” but one whose actions speak louder than words and perhaps even have his own personal agenda for taking over command of the Seekers.

[@n.t.w8286]

Let's call a spade a spade they aren't in the show because of budget. That's why they got rid of breakdown and cliffjumper, and there are vehicons insted of the many other decepticons

[@cherry414]

Thundercracker and Skywarp are my top favorite Decepticons and not seeing them in TFP and just died horribly makes every single molecule of my body depressed.

[@Breadn]

TFP has one of if not the most complex and creative lore out of every Transformers series I can think of. It's a shame it's lore and story was made into a joke by RID.

[@ultralaggerREV1]

During the game WFC, Starscream and the seekers were considered as guardians of dark energon for thousands of years

[@mammadragon8108]

I love the contrast between the books and the show of how the seekers, it’s so different but also intriguing

[@sharpwavethedecepticon6837]

Skywarp was the one who inspired me to have my characters play pranks occasionally. Wish Thundercracker could have made it to Earth like in IDW, I wanted to see him have a dog.

[@memesouls8653]

I still don’t get how Transformers Prime and Transformers Robots in Disguise are still in the same universes together let alone the same universe as War For Cybertron/Fall of Cybertron.

[@theghostofjeffgoldblumdail9613]

I assumed that energy seeker was a pre-war occupation, and a part of the Air Force since Starscream was the leader

[@lindaeasmunt8207]

thundercrack has to be my fovarite

[@SubFxcus]

;)

[@wd3185]

Apparently Skyquake was originally intended to be Skywarp before they decided against it.

[@jurassicsmackdown6359]

I just gotta say How freaking cool are the names "Skywarp" and "Thundercracker"?

[@ishashifar]

Ikr it perfectly aligns with their outlier abilities too Thundercracker - has the ability to conduct sonic booms Skywarp: he can teleport

[@maxbrandt6]

The name Seeker was never originally something they called the Decepticon jets in the original G1 cartoon but that was a name given to them in the Sears toy catalog back in the '80s, someone in the ad department thought it sounded neat and it just stuck.

[@moonknightproductions9444]

16:57 Sandstorm in G1 can actually fly! He's a triple-changer with a helicopter mode and a dune buggy mode.

[@jessebrucepinkman9834]

A seeker that was never mentioned but would be badass in the Aligned series would be Acidstorm.

[@heriablangel4419]

Skywarp is my favorite seeker :'(

[@marleyhenry5616]

skyquake is mine

[@MySkinnydip]

I loved Skywarps roll in Retribution! I wanted more tho! Starscream was awesome too! All three books would make a great series! Also the book Ghost of Yesterday was really good too!

[@dg4545]

I want to forget RID ever existed

[@chj2]

Interesting topic. Depends on what continuity one follows. From what I recall, If the continuity from TFTM '86 is followed, Skywarp and Thundercracker were converted by Unicron into The Sweeps. Can't recall what happened to Thrust, Dirge, and Ramjet, though. In the Bayverse, we never saw Thundercracker and Skywarp-except for toys and a comic book where they took the form of early 20th-century biplanes.

[@ToaArcan]

Some of the Aerialbots did make other appearances. Air Raid played a pretty major role in the first game, all three versions, and Fireflight got a toy, albeit one labelled as Air Raid because copyright. Fireflight is described as a bot who gets easily distracted by his surroundings, and has terrible, terrible aim because of that. He compensates for his lack of accuracy by filling the sky with flak, after all, _something's_ going to get hit if he does that. This has the downside of causing him to run out of ammo very quickly, and Perceptor eventually gave up on fixing this issue and just made him a giant sword instead. Not that he's much better as a swordsman than he is a marksman. This is at least better than G1, where the Autobots decided that the sensible thing to do in order to fix Fireflight's aim was to give him _thermobaric missiles._ Because when you have a bot who can't hit the broadside of Broadside, of course you want to give him weapons comparable to small _nukes_.

[@pama1040]

maybe there guided...?

[@ToaArcan]

@@pama1040 Them being guided doesn't really matter with thermobarics. They're one of those weapons that's addressed "To whom it may concern."

[@pama1040]

oh ok@@ToaArcan

[@madwolf4076]

I didn't know there was a female slipstream, the only slipstream I know is the one from transformers robots in disguise and he's absolutely adorable

[@pama1040]

every cybertronian named slpistream except the robots in disguise, is female

[@everythingplacechannel]

Hey emperor kumquat you know I would have love to see thinderwing in the tf prime show

[@vinniequick]

Thunder cracker's my Favorite seeker

[@SubFxcus]

;)

[@h__6-6_]

1:37 Starscream: Happy noises

[@TheWarriorsFromHell]

skywarp died in the third book before prime debuted in the aligned continuity, reading, it's still fundamental

[@pazuzu66613]

TFP deliberately kept the character count low for most of the series and focused on real character development. It wasn't great for toy production, but it made a great show.

[@jaredfetzer7041]

The answer is really simple is that Transformers Prime and the Cybertron games are not in the same continuity. My reasons are the following: 1. The designs of the Prime Universe and the Cybertron Game Universe are different not just because the Cybertron games take place on Cybertron, but it takes place in a different continuity. Case in point is Bumblebee how in Prime he doesn't have a mouth until his voice box is repaired by the Omega Lock Cybermatter, while in the Cybertron games Bumblebee does. To continue with Bumblebee's design in the Cybertron games he's more G1 inspired which also means it is not in the G1 continuity as well. 2. If Transformers Prime is connected to the Cybertron games, then where the hell is The Ark. Since at the end of Fall of Cybertron both The Ark and The Nemesis got sucked into an unstable Space Bridge meaning that the Autobots should also have a ship of their own when they're on Earth. 3. If Transformers Prime is connected to the Cybertron games, then why didn't Megatron already possess Dark Energon within him since in Transformers War for Cybertron Megatron masters Dark Energon before he comes to Earth. 4. To add on to the designs of the characters take a look at Starscream. In the Cybertron games he looks G1 inspired and is bigger looking than the Prime Starscream meaning why would he sacrifice being almost as strong looking as Megatron for a smaller weaker form. 5. If Transformers Prime is connected to the Cybertron games, then why is it when Optimus receives the Matrix of Leadership in the Cybertron games he is called Optimus yet in Prime he was Orion Pax. 6.If Transformers Prime is connected to the Cybertron games, then why was Megatron surprised that The Nemesis became sentient when he saw in Fall of Cybertron Trypticon turning into The Nemesis. In conclusion, with these few facts that I have shown it is clear that the Aligned Continuity is not so aligned after all.

[@greendecepticon6148]

The same can be said for shows that are connected to prime. They all have different looks for the characters and different voices

[@abdurrehmannasir5963]

I agree, the aligned continuity is best described as misaligned

[@michaeldunlap1032]

Dont make me explain this, dont make me explain THIS- AH FUCK IT. 1: first of all: the reason it's like that is because, from a production standpoint, they made him look like his movie counterpart because of how he looks more fitting for the setting of the show, so says the people that made the show. Yeah, he should've had a g1 helmet, but that's beside the point. He looks entirely different in RID 2015 anyway. Secondly, he did NOT "gained" a mouth after getting his voice back. His mouth was only closed cuz he was using a faceplate the entire time. And besides, bee lost his voice between war for cybertron and fall of cybertron anyway, so of course he ain't fully g1 bumblebee. As for why he has a face plate in prime.. well, because why not? 2: pretty sure the novels (not counting exodus.) Basically had already explained this, basically. And besides. there's a huge time gap between the games and prime anyway, so we can assume they went to earth at one point after retribution, but left the planet, and apparently the episode "strongarms big score" confirmed that a small group of autobots return to earth's orbit, bumblebee being first, as well as optimus, ratchet and bulkhead later on in the 1980s. 3: he practically just lost the dark energon within him between the games and prime itself. Heck, practically the reason he left earth for 3 years WAS to search for dark energon once again, meaning he had already known of dark energon before prime started anyway. Also, exodus novel had this Same plot hole, and that book is considered more connected then the games to most fans. 4: from a design standpoint by the concept artist in prime, the reason they changed this was to make him look weaker then megatron since they didn't want him to be as bulky as him. From a canonical standpoint, the reason is probably because starscream wanted a sleeker body when scanning an earth vehicle, just to make him more flexible. Of course, this probably backfired and he decided to go back to his original body style in RID 2015. (Yes, RID 2015 confirmed that his wfc body is his body style, and starscream is just back to using it in that show.) 5: that's just a random plot hole entirely, especially since fall of cybertron already retconned him as Orion pax to stay in continuity with prime and the wfc prequel comic. But, to explain this, he technically just changed his name to "optimus" during the war. 6: the actual reason he was surprised is because he hasn't been fully awaken for years after fall of cybertron. I mean, you can say the same thing about the exodus novel, since it still features this plot hole. So yes, these can be explained, especially since there's comics and novels (exiles and retribution.) existing to fill in the gaps between fall of cybertron and prime.

[@abdurrehmannasir5963]

@@michaeldunlap1032 fair explanation there bud but as for number 4 I have just one grip, they could have just made him as tall as megatron but retain the same sleek body type, would have retained the canonical reason and made him weaker then megatron but still as powerful as his game's counter part.

[@michaeldunlap1032]

@@abdurrehmannasir5963 to be fair, they did not think this through with the height scaling when they made the show at all. That, and they probably made him weaker, cuz they practically thought it was unrealistic for starscream to overthrow him easily, so there's not really a canon explanation as to why this is, so I'm going off of what they intended him to be, in terms of the art book's explanation on why he's weaker. Hell, he was supposed to look like this instagram.com/p/Bw2zHbQg1II/?igshid=mqgdks06zilg keep in mind, this was made before transformers prime had a definitive art style, so that's why he doesn't match the other prime designs.

[@vickerandflips8061]

TFP shouldve/couldve done Skywarp, Thundercracker, Barricade, Omega Supreme, Jetfire, Jazz, Perceptor, Warpath, Silverbolt, Air Raid, Sideswipe, Ironhide, and the Combaticons. How awesome would it be to see Bruticus in TF Prime style?

[@hehetortl2685]

the more i watch these videos the more i feel sorry for decepticons

[@Grey8270]

So the only ones not conformed Deceased are Slipstream Contrail Ratbat Dirge Thrust Autoclave Silverbolt Skydive Slingshot Fireflight Air Raid Jet fire

[@spaceman466]

No power glide? Awww

[@garygriggs1244]

Blitzwing is technically a seeker. He's a triple changer but he is a seeker

[@koleszgdanska7149]

This video actually made me understand why Starscream is one of the Megatron's main three

[@justinjohnson851]

you are my favorite transformers lure KZbinr on the platform

[@mattwo7]

7:49 Wreck-Gar was among the bots blacklisted from Cybertron for supporting Optimus and she was not in RID2015 episode Enemy of my Enemy.This implies she was either dead or her official status was still MIA. That or the producers simply didn't know about her as evidenced by the fact her name went to a _completely unrelated_ minicon.

[@superiorsoundwave7423]

My favorite seeker thundercracker the way he died made me almost cry

[@Doc51499]

Fat rip to skywarp, the one with the coolest color scheme

[@danielbrant6740]

Aligned Skywarp's personality seems to more akin to his Animated counterpart (teleporting coward) as opposed to his G1 self who was just a dumb thug that didn't really use his teleportation skills for much more than pranking his fellow Decepticons.

[@Knock0ut-Starscream]

Great video.

[@chenneil9482]

Rip my bois..Thundercracker and Skywarp.. They’re are my besties. (I cried)

[@aydinshixverdiyev1470]

Great vid

[@swiftstreak98]

Cybertron's #1 ariel enforcers

[@dimdive7997]

Could you maybe make a video about the different ages Cybertron has gone through? I think that would be very interesting! Also, very interesting video. I've read the first two books so far but it's nice to get all this information sorted out!

[@emperorkumquat]

Yep, can do that but maybe after some book summaries

[@dimdive7997]

@@emperorkumquat Noice! Thank you!

[@longshot9757]

0:40 One of us! *One of us!*

[@darkx391]

Yeah I do want to do that for a while I was hoping for season 2 or 3 or possibility season 4 for hopefully to see them!

[@xRaiofSunshine]

Awww my bois! Be nice to Skywarp and TC 😢

[@SubFxcus]

;)

[@PulseAnimations878]

thank you my emperor you mentioned prowl. Again

[@debraashilley6517]

Wheel jack thats my boy. . . . . 👏👏👏

[@Bunni504]

Poor Skywarp and Thundercracker.

[@abdoul5176]

Doot. Great video!

[@Rubywing4]

We really need to have an official Red Wing appear on TV (and not just a Japanese dub version of Cyberverse Thrust being redubbed Red Wing). He needs character development! And a voice! And action! And spotlight! Because he has literally nothing! Except for 1 toy, a couple of cameos and his first appearance was ACCIDENTAL! Red Wing is the accidental child that was born lol Also, STOP KILLING SKYWARP he needs more love and attention and spotlight! ;-; I can't help but think of Skywarp as a wholesome character, I don't know why XD

[@michaelmaynard937]

I actually thought of making a Seeker oc for the Decepticons in Prime . The bot would have been called JaegerBomb

[@ArcticWolf00Alpha0]

Mine would have been called Hailfire.

[@isaacong1279]

Megatron does beat and hit starscream obviously that's why he's scared

[@dedalionarts6077]

Over all, very solid and interesting. My only nick pick is that view time you sayed "piranacons" (if I remember corecktly mostly during the segments when saying "this seeker was eaten) instead of sharkticons. But like I sayed, besides that it was still fun to watch... 👍

[@emperorkumquat]

Because there are no pictures of the piranhacons that ate them in the books. Different species and deaths. Thundercracker and Ramjet were not eaten by Sharkticons

[@dedalionarts6077]

@@emperorkumquat aha... Wait, in that case I have an question, there is a guy a called Chris McFeely, he is making "basics on transformers" and one of the episodes is talking about secons, so let explain(if you interested I will give a link to it) In the secons retrospektive, there were mentioned (G1 secons) in TFP comic where clashed on earth in there combiner form, killing snaptrapduring the landing, and turing Piranacon in to a mindless monster stuck on the ocean floor and attacking everything he see moving.... My question is,.. Are Seacons/Piranacons/Piranacon and sub spieces like insecticons and predacons? Is it like in G1 just an name for specialized group? Or is just out of continuity thing used just in that comic? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZaylH19rbadi7M 7:25 is a part of the video is when they talk about this..

[@emperorkumquat]

@@dedalionarts6077 There is a character named Piranacon in another Transformers universe, but we are talking about Piranhacons as an Aquatronian robot species in the Aligned Continuity

[@e-pearlm]

Okay in conclusion (refer to dumb ways to die) Screamer killed any and everyone he felt jealousy and or felt that his position was threatened by them. in one way or the other, in other words, he's the worst friend in history

[@Solqueen86]

Should've pulled out and joined the Autobot the moment seekers started to fall due to Megatron not the Autobots.

[@xenomorph_636]

0:42 HELP I CANT STOP

[@Theorymus]

Notification gain🤟

[@bromicorn]

So you're telling if they ever make a third game in the cybertron trilogy there is a chance my favorite combiner can be in it

[@starscreamfan288]

THANK YOU!!!!!!

[@facundopollacino7956]

Sí Starscream llegó a matar a Skywarp sólo porque lo veía cómo un futuro rival para su puesto, eso encajaría muy bien con el personaje. Es más, eso da para un fanfic.

[@UltimaDoombotMK1]

0:05 Thank you, Subtitle Vehicons, for reminding me about the subtitles Your contribution is noted and greatly appreciated You are an enormous credit to the Decepticon cause

[@haydenreviewscustomcombos]

I would like to see the war for Cybertron Starscream figure get repainted in blue as thundercracker, and in purple and black as Skywarp.

[@transformersfan500okane3]

TFP Thundercracker: Based on Movie Starscream TFP Skywarp: Based on Animated Starscream

[@OptimumPride12]

Its a shame that they never showed up.

[@vibespidersstudios8895]

Probably late to this but I think all version starscream is very smart than what we see in media. When he was awarded the title the leader of the seekers he came a little too overconfident of himself as his dream of being a ruler/ or rule like a king in a monarchy system was so close and he can’t do that when there someone in his way which is Megatron. That is why starscream wants to beat Megatron in a fight and feels with his skills (which he can but he lacks how to be a leader). However after millions of mistreatment of Megatron, he won’t dare to do it again. Starscream is a little over his head all the time and Megatron knows he kept him around of how much of a skilled fighter.

[@Xynam0]

If they were there I would have loved to some slight or major individually in their designs, like; Thunder cracker - thin like starscream but much less militant Skywarp - bulkier and taller, about at skyquale/dreadwing's height Slipstream - kinda like arachnid, but more areal and militaristic, as well as a little taller than her. Thrust - bulkier, about as tall as shockwave and as _THICC_ as the regular decepticon flyer's. Durge - Same as thrust, maybe a little bit bigger and buffer, like a breakdown to thrusts knockout.

[@marleyhenry5616]

Skyquake: big Green, bad, tempered brawler, anger issues

[@forlornhauntedghost]

I hope Starscream is not the last seeker or anything because that sounds so depressing

[@xenomorph_636]

i mean he was that in cyberverse

[@TopHatDealer]

R.I.P WFC-FOC Star Scream

[@Skywarpandthundercrackerfanboy]

Rip Thundercracker and skywarp

[@MoskusMoskiferus1611]

14:38 No no no, his name is Skyfire

[@username-yc3bd]

Me guessing before watching: I know thundercracker was killed by a sharkticon, but I could’ve sworn that skywarp was in wfc so Edit: so I guess it was pirahnacons???????? also poor skywarp awwwwwwwwww... well i guess slipstream turned out fine probably

[@theresemulherin602]

You know that some people like to call Ramjet, Dirge and Thrust the " Coneheads "

[@greekfreak1436]

The G1 explanation: Starscream threw everyone out an airlock cause he was too lazy to repair them