WHERE ARE THE ALTERNATE ARTS?!?! Pokemon Lost Origin Pull Rates Exposed! This Set is Rough!

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In today's video we go over almost 3,000 booster packs of data to take a look at the pull rates for Pokemon's newest set - Lost Origin.
With release date officially upon us, it is important to take a look at the statistical side of what you can expect to open when it comes to pulling your chase cards. Lost Origin is loaded with a ton of amazing card including a Trainer Gallery that looks better than we have ever seen before. While pull rates are expected to be consistent with each release, it is a little unsettling to see a decent sample size yielding an extremely low amount of alternate arts being pulled. Is this what you have experienced so far with Lost Origin? Let's discuss!
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[@Umby_chaser]

We opened a case last night and I’m really disappointed with the quality control with LO. Every hit we pulled had awful centering.

[@rglover444]

Bad centering, Scratched holos, warped big hitters, and print lines galore, that was my experience.

[@MonsterDiesel-vh9kx]

wow that's brutal, my experience was the opposite tbh. I thought they did a good job with this one, maybe I just got lucky

[@Umby_chaser]

@@MonsterDiesel-vh9kx we will open another case and hopefully we have your luck.

[@juanramos1710]

I purchased a few packs on a stream and pulled some decent hits only issue was centering, it was horrible.

[@deathbymazda]

All my cards were scuffed except the one alt art i pulled, which was off center lol

[@gparkmoney]

The Danny Phantump Evolving Skies reprint was great while it lasted. Thank you again for doing those! I’m still excited for Lost Origin. Hope your luck turns around and more alt arts pop up for you soon.

[@grahamwilson6885]

Great info! Also glad you dropped the video thumbnail back in there!

[@regang]

I love your channel! Different from all the other channels that just crack open packs. I love the information on pull rates etc…!

[@pokechuck3625]

I like the new way to show the cards and pull rates. Opening my BB tonight, can't wait to compare my pulls to see if I did good! Can you soon have do a quick update video for ES following the reprint?

[@Show985]

Do you think down the road Pokemon cards will need to comply with regulation regarding transparency of rarity. Coming from a video game background and seeing the evolution of loot boxes, TCGs seem like the physical counterpart. Love this type of breakdown.

[@professorlorenspokemon6152]

Baseball cards already basically do that, I'd love to see that on Pokemon cards

[@TaintedNimbus]

I could've sworn at one point they did, listing the odds of ultra rare cards and such on the packs. However that was in the WOTC days and gen 3 if I recall correctly.

[@Doors067]

The japanese cards do that directly on the box

[@youcanthandlemyname7393]

honestly i dont. theirs tons of other toys that only offer a random chance to get whats inside and there does not seem to be alot of outrage from parents about them.

[@XingCollectables]

They kinda already do that with the odds per booster box. I guess they suspect you to carry over those odds to single packs.

[@18thor18]

always love this kind of content! I opened 2 cases, no alt arts, no rainbow or gold pokemon from the main set! all were trainer/support. but I did pull 4 gold/black pikachu, 3 mew, 3 tg vmax pikachu and 4 tg v pikachu. along with 7 charizard and 6 pilachu regular tg cards. Pull rates were 0.88 per booster box down on your hits. Gutted with not hitting a single rainbow/gold/ alternate pokemon, but lots of the bigger trainer gallery cards pulled!!

[@Andromeda2694]

Thanks for the info. I’m really liking the new way your present the data. It looks much cleaner :)

[@ruben___________________]

Damn... Don't think I'll get another booster box, thanks for the useful info! I liked and subbed!

[@theclutchudf1267]

Thanks for always throwing the data up!

[@nicesniper8067]

Opening my packs tonight! Thanks for the info as always!

[@shibashinx7356]

Always appreciate the time and effort that goes into these number/stat type videos! ❤️

[@chrisgraphs1015]

Great information Danny. Very helpful. I can't wait to see what the prices are in a month. With such bad pull rates I can see the Alt Art cards going up.

[@Rockologist]

I think this is a great breakdown compared to the pictures of all the hits per boosterbox. Information is all there on the screen and digestable with your clear explanations - SOLID!

[@kalilyn]

Great information as always... disheartened with the pull rates, but I guess we can't expect the pokemon company to just hand out alt arts like candy

[@matthewbermudez4061]

But we can expect them to give us a decent experience at least opening product we spend hundreds on. I opened 90 something packs and have very little worth showing for it. Very discouraged as a collector at the moment. TPCI has been on a bad streak since Evolving Skies. The only saving grace was the 25th anniversary special set and that’s cus every card was a Holo😂

[@YuckNasty]

Just a perfect example Giratina alt art and I am loosing it on how good it looks. Also I tagged you with my perfect Rotom alt lol 🙌🏼 big fan !

[@jodiproctor742]

Great viedo as always! Love all the information!

[@tendaytripper3649]

WOW - those pull rates! Only opened an ETB so far but the kiddo is super excited for more. Keep up the content, Danny!

[@jone4116]

Happy Friday everyone! And good luck on the pulls. I wonder if you can get better pull rates of you buy multiple boxes from several different sources (not just 1 store or seller)

[@thepokeplumber]

Awesome information opened two booster cases one etb case only pulled 1 alt art you weren’t kidding it’s tough interesting to see the numbers

[@jacobwhitehead1926]

Thanks for the summary! Makes me wonder if the drastic decrease in Alt Arts is due to a printing error. Could later print runs have better odds on pulling the Alt Arts? Of course it could be intentional to get people buying more packs…

[@SegaDisneyUniverse]

Not particularly my favorite set that I want to continue opening, but was happy that my local Target had a stock full a day early so decided to pick up a 6 pack box. And managed to get at least one radiant and a TG from it. And seeing as pull rates are apparently abysmal, I may just buy singles of ones I like the most. Otherwise, I'm sticking to Evolving Skies, in which I'm happy to see back in stock at my local stores again.

[@pmistry8501]

Danny, as always, I really appreciate the data - definitely will help with buying decisions. I was wondering if you have ever looked at/reviewed the Japanese sets like VMAX CLIMAX? Its a large set but really fun to open with the trainer gallery cards. Anyway, thanks again.

[@Lost_Sock_Patrol]

Nice work putting together all this information together. The time and effort is very much appreciated

[@ErroTheCube]

This is the first booster box ive ever bought and man was it a sad experience. 4 V's, 1 Vstar, 2 radiant, 2 FA, 4 TG Stuff like Pidgeot V, Magnezone V, Opal TG, Zoroark Vstar.. Low amount of hits and each hit was almost the worst in their respective category lol

[@saudade.t]

Exactly my story. Bought two booster boxes. I never bought any booster boxes, so this was also the first time ever for me. But I saw all those video's earlier with everyone saying that theses boxes were crazy and the pull rates were so great. But all I got was shit, literally. Now I'm pissed :')

[@matthewbermudez4061]

Same brother same. I’m my 36 packs I pulled 2 cards worth sleeving😔$140 down the drain, we should’ve just bought singles.

[@wolfiek1610]

I like the changes your making Danny for your PIP can I recommend the top right corner? It’s the spot where you tend to put any kind of graphic. :)

[@jasonthompson8443]

This is great information to have prior to buying any packs. I want several cards from this set and really enjoying ripping some packs, but it looks like just buying a few singls

[@jonxchin9600]

Thanks Danny for the data! I compiled a bunch of data myself, and it looks very similar. Pull rate for alt arts are definitely brutal. Keep up the good content. This is very informative.

[@caseyjageman6451]

This video is great and has helped inform me on which to hope pulling, and which to maybe just purchase as signals. As always, really appreciate the video.

[@nevercold808]

That is just crazy. Sure, it'll be fun in the beginning but after a while, it'll just be frustrating. Hate to break it to ya, Danny. Pokestorm pulled an alt Rotom on their first box.

[@dawsonedwards1329]

Love this new layout on this pull rates video. Super straight forward!

[@stevencsb]

My luck (or lack thereof) with astral radiance and brilliant stars made me very hesitant to pick up a booster box of LO but at my local target I picked up to pieces of a product I never saw before called a "booster bundle" which was simply a small box with 6 packs each, for my son and I. Out of the 12 total box we got 9 hits including a full art, vstar and the Leon charizard so I'm now reconsidering the box after all.

[@etrainfsb]

Thank you for cracking all of this product! You did the work so we don't have to. How is rotom not that valuable if it's soooo rare

[@joevenzor]

Thanks Danny. We pulled a Giratina (well centered) from the booster box we ordered from your Colosseum store. Also got the Charizard I wanted. Gonna open the ETB today maybe the Aero

[@KhiemKimDoPkmn]

I opened alot of booster boxes but the alt arts were hard to find. Have you even tried sleeved pack case?

[@benthedarkraiguy117]

Very Informative, Thank You for this Danny!

[@kamilk9344]

Happy Friday. thanks for info! Our Booster box we opened last night was great! how you ask? ultra rares and above. Did have the 1 vstars & the 1 the vmax, and alt art. Also good stuff came from TG . Got the Charizard & pika.

[@RickB.rolling]

Happy Friday. thanks for info! Our Booster box we opened last night was a bit weak and great! how you ask? no ultra rares and above. Did have the 2 vstars & the 1 the vmax, but not much else from main set. Greatness came from TG . Got the Charizard & gold Mew, so my son and daughter got a special cards. For myself I got the VMAX PIKACHU! and the Gengar!

[@MakenshiCritiques]

1: 2880 is fucking unacceptable.

[@NinjaCamper94]

Must be the booster box pull rates? I got several in store and got great hits like perrserker alt and rainbow giratina but as always tracking pull rates accurately takes a massive sample size. Good time to think about buying singles in a month or more!

[@Chimeratech8]

About to go to the store to grab some blisters and bundles. Wish me luck, but I'm definitely keeping my expectations in check. Pulls look rough.

[@jackb3276]

Danny, did you ever hear more about the evolving skies booster box reprint? I’ve heard they didn’t really do much and now the prices have gone way up

[@stolatoskc]

I bought 5 LOS booster bundles and got an aero v alt art from it. That booster bundle only had one single V card from the 6 pack bundle. Almost sad I didnt get any good cards from that single booster bundle.

[@jasongodek9828]

I opened my first box last night. Pulled the rotom V alt art, the Aerodactyl rainbow VSTAR, a full art trainer, Zoroark VStar, and 4 regular V cards. I didn’t have as much luck with trainer gallery, only pulling 3 of the more common ones (although I did get the Gengar). Also pulled 2 radiant gardevoirs.

[@HangryandCo]

I bought 2 cases and actually ended up getting Giratina and the other Alts. The pull rates do seem all over the place tho. One booster box had 3 rainbows and two full art trainers. Not including TG's and Radiants.

[@mav1877]

Thank you for the information data analysis Danny! I honestly feel like some people are a bit naive to think that Pokemon would not adjust alternate art pull rates to their advantage. With the Trainer Gallery, they can't allow too much value.

[@toothco]

I'm thousands in since COVID and still haven't gotten a single alternate art. Before this evening i would have melted to see any kind of alt art, i really wanted the Aerodactyl, unfortunately i wont be buying a 6th booster box. This was the last modern set for me, ill be returning to vintage from here on out.

[@popgeniustcg]

I was in a stream yesterday where 3 giratinas were pulled. 1 rotom and 1 perrserker. No aerodactyl though

[@shaneo.5992]

Thanks for the data Danny! The alt art Aerodactyl is my personal chase card from this set. Hope you pull that alt art Rotom soon!

[@dianejones4254]

I got 2 booster boxes and both had the same full art trainer in 🙃 I did get a full art giratina though so happy about that! Haven't got any of the TG 13 onwards though, seems a bit meh 🤔 I was opening packs with my friend (he bought separately from a different company and differrnt part of the country) and we ended up with the same hits pretty much. Also, some of the cards "pack fresh" looked like they'd been through a dishwasher, whitening and marks etc. A bit strange tbh

[@Jinja151]

Amazing! Love the breakdown! I will definitely be buying more singles for this set

[@jsdshfle524]

Thank you Danny for the very helpful data!!! Love the content man

[@KINGmariani]

I love the math behind the content, getting into box 2 today but you’re not wrong. Pulls are mehh at best so far.

[@EPICIANDCHRIS]

I pulled the rotom and perrserker alts in the same LO booster bundle!

[@thesharinganbeast6478]

I got really good pulls on my first box yesterday. Higher than average I would say. This is what I pulled: 2 Radiant Cards - (2 Sneaslers) 6 Trainer Gallery cards - (Charizard, Gallade, Gengar, Akari's Pikachu, Snorlax, Kabu) 5 V Cards - (Kyurem, Pidgeot, Drapion, Aerodactyl, Zoroark) 2 Full Art V Cards - (Delphox, Pidgeot) 2 V Star Cards - (Aerodactyl, Zoroark)

[@connormanion2615]

I got similar pulls but less galleries and i got the golden Vstar Zoroark. Also got the full art Delphox and the charizard gallery

[@1h2j1]

the rotom issue is amazing. I was lucky enough to pull the rotom alt art AND the kyurem v FA in my first ETB.

[@H3NNY]

Giratina is my fave mon, i preordered so much and saved for this set😭 Praying my lucky pans out for once

[@GrimoireGod]

Ive only bought 1 3-pack Regigigas blister so far, and the first packs I opened had the Giratina V Alt art in it. Super stoked. Tbh I already listed it for sale and im waiting to see what I get out of my booster box later today Edit: That Pikachu VMAX with Red from the trainer gallery is definitely my chase card, but I wouldnt mind that alt art Aerodactyl as well

[@steventhao9651]

Thanks for the heads up

[@ZX6R_Drummer]

This may be the most accurate pull rate study when comparing it to my personal experience. I've opened I don't know how many booster boxes, etb's, etc. I'm missing only 5 cards in my master set, and they are literally the 4 alt arts (giratina, aerodactyl, rotom, and perserker) and the rainbow giratina... im at least glad to hear it wasn't just my dumb luck and is actually in line with real-life pull rate statistics. I know some people hit the big cards early, but those people can count themselves among the truly lucky.

[@twitterylamb3330]

Wow, I have a box to pick up so I'm interested too see what happens

[@nguyen925]

Stinks about the pull rates but I'm excited non the less! Let's go and thanks foe the data again Danny!

[@TormentZero]

I opened a pokemon center ETB today and pulled 3 Goodra VStars, one of them was a rainbow. A little disappointed in the lack of variety in the box, but it is what it is.

[@zachbeaudry7441]

The difference in alt art pull rates is crazy! Maybe you could normalize to the number of a card type per set for the cards that vary from set to set?

[@DC-qd9yx]

Wow this is rough! I opened 2 Lost Origin boxes and got 2 Giratina V, 1 Giratina V Rainbow, 1 Gold Zoroark, 1 Rainbow Zoroark, 1 FA Adventurer & Kabu and Pikachu VMAX TG17 and etc. I guess my boxes are lucky! 80 boxes with only 6 alt arts is really tough! Thanks for the info!

[@queenkaleeya6569]

I'm so excited for all these new releases! I just wish I had more money to buy one of everything lol

[@abyss9316]

I actually was looking at a huge display of lost origin a little while ago at Walmart and I reluctantly walked away and put the pack back and got a pack of magic instead the value simply isn't there and I was setting myself up for disappointment

[@DalonM445]

That pack had pikachu vmax and girantina alt in it

[@spidermander4008]

At least your Walmart puts new sets out on release date. Mine keeps the same shit until the shelf is clear, and no one is buying all the crap that sits on it lol

[@oldestsol3754]

I actually feel the opposite and think lost origins is awesome! In due time price will show it.

[@abyss9316]

@@spidermander4008 yes sir same at mine I actually do have a point of contention I open up packs on my KZbin channel and I just could not justify even on release day I'm getting to the point where I have open so many packs and I understand the reality of it at least with magic cards I can get a few cards that I will actually like no matter what every pack all of Pokemon is just bulk 99% of it

[@abyss9316]

@@DalonM445 I'll leave that to the next guy who wants to open 4,000 packs to find one card sorry but I don't want to work with those kind of odds even me having a KZbin channel and opening up packs I still cannot justify it

[@jjoy6738]

Funny enough, I only opened 1 pack from Gamestop, cause I was there to chip away Pokemon Violet pre-release order so why not try my luck. Pulled a magnezone vstar; pretty satisfying to me.

[@mrblonde2k3]

Btw the new way youre showing this data is soooooo much better than the spreadsheets! I like it a lot!

[@d.keaneentice7279]

First etb opening was today. Got the alt art rotom in my first pack 🙂

[@josephyang6900]

Great info mister. Keep them coming

[@kmartin971]

I opened a case of sleeves and did not do well at all. I have a 2nd case and may not open it!

[@noahbody188]

I’ve been saying this and I will keep saying it. some where down the production line they are pocketing cards leaving a huge gap in pull rate for the more sought out cards. I noticed it with evolving skies every one pulls the same cards the same vmax over and over again only until months and a huge restock happens then will the public start pulling more sought after cards . I was calling myself crazy at first but when you see something like this it’s kind of difficult to deny....

[@Deeperdetecting]

Highly doubt it, they are just printing less rare cards to boost sales

[@coryjordan6984]

I've really only had real luck on the most recent 3 sets with booster boxes. Looking at the pull rate per case of 6, to me, best chances for the money.

[@arieskyz]

Got my lost origins booster boxes today and crossing fingers for luck to come my way for the alt arts.

[@timothyd1387]

THANKS for the video Danny!!!😎👍✌️

[@Jojo18898]

With LO, I'm summoning the Arrested Development "...But it might work for us" meme. Opening a box tonight!

[@RedxDJCashpal]

ive opened 4 packs from my booster box so far and gotten 3 black code cards. Some pokemon V and Trainer Gallery cards so far.

[@unboundjackal]

We had 2 guys pull a giratina v alt in the prerelease last weekend, I still can't believe 2 people pulled the most wanted chase card

[@dr_tudon]

Love the new format. However some numbers feel jumbo and confusing without units.

[@blaise1229]

I pulled a Aerodactyl V Alt Art out of the 3 pack deal from target lol.

[@lotroholic]

Funny! The Rotom was the card I wasn’t chasing and in 3 booster boxes I pulled one Rotom and the Perrserker! Guess I got really lucky!

[@peterwong8176]

Thanks for the research!

[@johncutie5769]

Got my box on pre-order, saw that people were opening full cases and getting 0-3 alts and I just knew my box would have nothing in it... it had not much

[@johnchan9392]

Great analytics Danny! Keeping my LO sealed.

[@YQMaoski]

I am cutting myself off at 1 case, because the pull rates are so tough! And indeed the Charizard UPC debacle is driving all of the scalpers back to the stores/online/botting. I hope you get your alt art Rotom soon!

[@tannorallison1223]

I bought 16 packs of lost origins today, an etb, 2 3-pack blisters and got 2 packs from the infernape v box. Considering how tough the pull rates are i’m very happy that i pulled the giratina v full art, but that was my ONLY pull. Not even another regular V, no trainer gallery or radiant pull even.

[@Bruuuuuh620]

just watching. not sure if you mentioned it here but have you seen the Arceus UPC Gamestop Exclusive?

[@DannyPhantump]

I have! It looks awesome!!!

[@court2325]

I got lucky on my pulls with a alt art in my first box and I feel blessed seeing everyone else’s pull rates

[@slimchance9873]

I pulled that kyurem v in 5 packs crazy it took you so long

[@emanisraw4402]

Dam 😭I pulled aerodactyl v alr art from the 6 pack bundle on realease date.

[@whoisdeez2320]

I bought an etb and got the gold hisuian zoroark and I’m so happy once I saw the pull rates

[@jameschristensen4028]

wow you make me feel real lucky, bought two packs at the store yesterday and pulled a Perrserker V alt art.

[@robertbushjr5947]

Pokémon really needs to fix quality control had some cards in lost origin badly miss cut to the point the date was cut off on two of them

[@stevefowler4606]

Pulls are always random. Got alt rotom out of pre release partial booster box and alt aerodactyl in 6 booster box case. So 6.5 boxes for two alts. 😎

[@batelron3498]

Amazing analysis Thanks❤

[@oldmanjake6541]

My personal experience is very similar to your data. Full arts and rainbows are a bit difficult to pull.

[@tripzero2074]

That means I'm so lucky to got Aerodactyl V alt art from a etb. Sadly if graded will be an 8 or 8.5 because of centering :/

[@briankerley]

Opened my etb and got a couple decent cards thankfully. Nothing amazing but was at least solid. Probably going to get singles for what I’m actually after

[@zeuzerman]

Thanks for the info

[@Popovich16]

I must of gotten super lucky! 4 boxes two alt arts. Gjratkns and persserker. Only one full art