Where is God to be found when you are told your cancer is terminal? Steve Legg and Allan Finnegan

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@PremierUnbelievable 2 ай бұрын

After living with a terminal cancer diagnosis for 17 months, Steve Legg passed away on 18/09/24. We take comfort in the Christian belief that he is now resting in joy and glory. Our hearts and prayers are with his wife, Bekah, and the entire family during this time of immense loss. The entire Unbelievable? podcast team send our deepest condolences. This episode captures the essence of Steve-hopeful, funny, compassionate, and full of faith. We encourage you to listen and share it with a friend, as a tribute to his remarkable spirit.

@TheEvegrant 8 ай бұрын

I heard a woman who struggled with chronic pain say something so uplifting. She said it really isn’t about being physically healed, it is about knowing who the Healer is!

@annawilliams5181 8 ай бұрын

I consider it an honour to have heard these special people sharing their stories may the Lord continue to work through them and in them and truly shower them with blessings 💖 🙏

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

Pain and suffering are a blessing…wtf? Your god is a narcissistic douche!

@whittfamily1 8 ай бұрын

Sadly, God does not exist. This has been proven.

@stephentollworthy4239 8 ай бұрын

This was such an incredibly inspiring podcast. I’ve been a committed Christian for many years and I’d be lying if I didn’t admit that at times there are big moments of ‘Why God?’ But the testimony of people like Steve and Alan make my heart soar and dig ever deeper to trust the God who made me and who holds the world in His hands. Even when we don’t have the answers, I’d far rather have my Heavenly Father to turn to in the Whys than have nothing. A crutch you might say. Well why not? However, I KNOW it to be so much more than that - when you have a personal relationship with Jesus, the assurance you have in your spirit is unmistakable and life changing. Go on…..try it 😊 Ever since I heard about Steve, I’ve been praying daily that he would continue to know God’s peace and blessing and God is answering. Now I’ve been introduced to Alan through this podcast, I will do the same for him. God bless you both for your courage, positivity and wonderful example of faith. Truly inspiring ❤ And the moderator was great too 😮

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

Your claims and assertions are just that….YOURS. I’m willing to bet that you think that an hour with Jesus at Starbucks over coffee would be the same as an hour of prayer and Bible reading.

@whittfamily1 8 ай бұрын

The answer to your question "Why God?" is "God does not exist, and this has been proven." If God did exist, you would have the answers. You wouldn't be in mystery or just guessing. You don't have a personal relationship with Jesus. He is dead. You can't have a relationship with a dead person. Duh.

@justin10292000 8 ай бұрын

@@whittfamily1What false and hateful rhetoric you atheist trolls spew. Begone.

@justin10292000 8 ай бұрын

@@mr.c2485Begone, hateful atheist troll. Why do you feel the need to spew your despairing nonsense all over these message boards?

@APCSW19 8 ай бұрын

It's incredible to hear your positivity.

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

Go figure….it’s called indoctrination. Terrible disease!

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

It’s not positivity….it’s wishful thinking.

@justin10292000 8 ай бұрын

@mr.c2485 It's ATHEISM that is "wishful thinking." atheism lived out consistently is also hopeless horror and despair. Take your hateful, satanic horror somewhere else and stop trolling people who possess REAL Hope, meaning, purpose, joy, love and gratitude.

@mirandaody-beau9581 8 ай бұрын

Great job hosting Andy! Thanks guys for sharing....

@paulliddle8272 2 ай бұрын

I have a blood cancer and my God is still working on me and thought me.

@dissidentfairy4264 8 ай бұрын

This is so heartbreaking! But both men look very well in spite of their prognosis. I don't think either one of them is going anywhere anytime soon. I wish them both the very best. Let's hope they beat the odds. "All things are possible with God."♥

@whittfamily1 8 ай бұрын

Nothing is possible with God since God does not exist. This has been proven.

@dissidentfairy4264 8 ай бұрын

@@whittfamily1So where's your proof?

@whittfamily1 8 ай бұрын

@@dissidentfairy4264 I am happy to present one of the proofs to you, but in return I expect you to make thoughtful replies. Ok? Notice: After you read the argument below, please provide answers to these questions: 1. Do you understand the argument? If not, what specifically do you not understand? 2. Is there an error in the argument? If so, what is it? 3. Do you agree that the argument and its conclusion are correct? If not, why not? The Three-Way Argument Against the Existence of God Based on the Holocaust: By Gary Whittenberger, Copyright 1-29-2023, 7-13-2023, 7-29-2023, 8-14-2023 1. Definition: God is 1) the hypothetical, unique, exclusive, supernatural, independent, spiritual, normally invisible person, conscious intelligent agent, or sentient entity. He is OMNI lasting (eternal), present, knowing, powerful, intelligent, rational, creative, and resilient (invincible). He is also OMNI loving, compassionate, and moral with respect to other persons. He fills the roles of cosmos designer and producer (creator), occasional interventionist in the world, and afterlife manager who decides the favorable or unfavorable disposition of human souls after they die. or 2) the greatest imaginable possible person (the “GIPPer”) who, if he existed, would possess all desirable traits to their highest degrees and no undesirable traits, and who would be worthy of our greatest respect, admiration, and worship. The First Way 2. If God can and does exist, because of his nature he would have attempted to prevent the Holocaust and he would have succeeded. Consequently, the Holocaust would not have occurred. 3. But the Holocaust did occur. 4. Therefore, God cannot and does not exist. The Second Way 5. If God can and does exist, and if the Holocaust did occur, then because of his nature God had at least one morally justified reason to allow the Holocaust. 6. The Holocaust did occur. 7. Thus, if God can and does exist, then he had at least one morally justified reason to allow the Holocaust. 8. There are specific morally justified reasons for some persons to allow the horrible harm of the Holocaust to occur, but God would not have any of them; none would be available to him. A. Other persons might justly allow the Holocaust because they did not know that the Holocaust was going to occur. But this could not be a reason for God since he would be all-knowing. B. Other persons might justly allow the Holocaust because they did not have the power to prevent it or immediately stop it. But this could not be a reason for God since he would be all-powerful. C. Other persons might justly allow the Holocaust because they knew that somebody else was in the process of preventing it and the other was likely to succeed. But this could not be a reason for God since he would know about the Holocaust ready to happen before anyone else would know since he would be all-knowing. Also, God would know that a successful prevention of the Holocaust by human beings was very unlikely. (Note that there were at least 15 attempts to assassinate Hitler and they were all unsuccessful.) D. Other persons might justly allow the Holocaust because they would have been killed in an attempt to prevent or stop it. But this could not be a reason for God since he would be invulnerable, all-powerful, and eternal. E. Other persons might justly allow the Holocaust because they would have been significantly injured in an attempt to prevent or stop it. But this could not be a reason for God since he would be invulnerable and all-powerful. F. Other persons might justly allow the Holocaust because they would have significantly suffered in an attempt to prevent or stop it. But this could not be a reason for God since he would be invulnerable and all-powerful. G. Other persons might justly allow the Holocaust because allowing it would be necessary for them to prevent some greater harm than the Holocaust itself. But this could not be a reason for God since nothing at all would be necessary for him to allow in order to prevent some greater harm since he would be all-powerful. God would have dominion over all metaphysical and natural necessities, contingencies, and laws. H. Other persons might justly allow the Holocaust because allowing it would be necessary for them to produce a benefit which outweighed the Holocaust. But this could not be a reason for God since nothing at all would be necessary for him to allow in order to produce some benefit that would outweigh the Holocaust since he would be all-powerful. God would have dominion over all metaphysical and natural necessities, contingencies, and laws. I. Other persons might justly allow the Holocaust because it resulted in perfect punishments for all the victims for their past immoral behaviors. But the Holocaust did not have the features of perfect punishments for all victims. For example, it lacked advance rule declaration, administration by proper authority, individualized proportional severity, and the least severity effective for all victims. Since the Holocaust harms did not exhibit the features of perfect punishments for all victims, the harms could not have been punishments from God. Hitler thought that annihilation of the Jewish people would be a morally justified and deserved punishment. He was wrong, and God would never agree with him on this point. J. Other persons might justly allow the Holocaust if they pre-arranged for all potential victims to experience benefits after the Holocaust which were logically contingent on the harms (e.g. care, character development, criminal justice, and compensation), which outweighed any harms from the Holocaust, and which occurred in life on Earth. But after the Holocaust, a substantial proportion of the victims received no logically contingent benefits and for most of them who did, the benefits were outweighed by the harms. And so, God would have had no involvement with this. K. Other persons might justly allow the Holocaust because they acquired the advance informed consent of all potential victims to experience the harms of the Holocaust in exchange for assured consequent benefits. But there is no good evidence that such consent was acquired by anyone, even God, from any victim. 9. And so, God could not and did not have even one morally justified reason to allow the Holocaust. 10. Therefore, God cannot and does not exist. The Third Way 11. Furthermore, if any tribunal is investigating or evaluating the occurrence of any horrible harm to a group of persons, then any person who has knowledge of any detail related to that occurrence should offer or present their testimony about what they know. Every person knowledgeable of the occurrence has a moral duty to come forward to the tribunal and testify to what they know, telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. 12. The Nuremberg Trials constituted a tribunal investigating or evaluating the occurrence of the Holocaust. 13. And so, if God can exist and does exist, because he would be both omni-powerful and omni-moral, then at the Nuremberg Trials he would have testified as a witness, sworn to tell “the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me myself,” and this truth would have included any reasons for his allowing the Holocaust. 14. But God did not testify at the Nuremberg Trials. 15. Once again, therefore, God cannot and does not exist.

@justin10292000 8 ай бұрын

@@whittfamily1atheism is silly, toddler-tantrumish nonsense. EVERYTHING is proof of God. atheists put blind faith in the belief that a non-programmed-by-a-Mind, unguided-by-a-Mind accident, the brain according to atheism, can be "trusted" to give them "truth." Now THAT is BLIND faith. I don't have enough blind faith to be an atheist, but apparently YOU do!!

@hanschdude23 8 ай бұрын

❤️❤️🙏🙏💪🏻💪🏻 God Bless all three of you. Prayers for you every day. My wife has received a terminal cancer diagnosis at 57, and I want her to watch this video, too. ❤❤

@miriamhickson6935 8 ай бұрын

Wonderful and inspiring podcast. Thank you all

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

People do take comfort in bullsh*t. It’s a human thing.

@PremierUnbelievable 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for listening!

@justin10292000 8 ай бұрын

@@mr.c2485Why are you so angry and full of cursing? If you ever get redpilled by Holy Spirit, you will lose your hateful bitterness.

@stephenbailey9969 8 ай бұрын

The God who suffered and died as we do is always there, through all joys and all sorrows. All of us have to leave this body behind. But there is new life, immortal and incorruptible in Him.

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

Hope in a heaven gives people comfort. Unfortunately, there is nothing to falsify that claim. Your god is silent 🤫

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

Live your life in a fictional future…your prerogative.

@stephenbailey9969 8 ай бұрын

@@mr.c2485 You can only live now. With hope or without. Everyone's choice.

@stephenbailey9969 8 ай бұрын

@@mr.c2485 Not silent at all. He communes with his people directly always. We are never alone.

@whittfamily1 8 ай бұрын

You are confusing two different persons. Jesus was a real human being who was crucified by the Romans. God is just a hypothetical supernatural being, who has been proven not to exist.

@HughColling 8 ай бұрын

My God, Steve, you so nailed it with your firm “I’m good”s. This will sound strange to many, but the fact is neither of you two inspiring and courageous men have any ailment whatsoever. We are not our bodies, and though we should care for them, it matters not what becomes of them. They are amazing creations of God, and temporary homes for us to live in in this life, but we really musn’t confuse what we are - an eternal energy as David Icke suggests - with our bodies. You ARE good in your essence. Sometimes I slip up and say something incorrect to my wife like, “I’m stiff today” - which happens out of force of habit, whereas I should, ideally but awkwardly, have correctly said, “This body/My body” “is stiff today”. I almost said, “I’m a crip.” Wrong. It’s “My body is crippled.” Thank you, my three beautiful children of God spiritual bros. I like that “die living” or “live dying”. But because we never die, my version of the former is “take the journey living”. For me, the value of the Virtue of COURAGE has just gone up. From the First Nations North Americans comes this affirmation: 🌹“There is no death - only a change of worlds.”🌹 🕊️ Peace to the righteous who can bear the truth. Birdy says “Tweet”. 🐦🐭🐕 Hugh the Uniquer.

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

You have “it” bad. Your momma really taught you well. 😊

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

Gratuitous suffering has no “happy ending”. It’s just suffering. No plan…no god.

@justin10292000 8 ай бұрын

You are right: there is no "god." No Christian believes in or worships "god." Category fallacy error.

@gabrielleangelica1977 8 ай бұрын

You'll see God when you cross over.

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

I’ve “crossed over” on a DMT trip. No god necessary..

@gabrielleangelica1977 8 ай бұрын

@@mr.c2485 Not the same thing, Buddy. Not even close!

@whittfamily1 8 ай бұрын

There is no good evidence for "crossing over," souls, spirits, heaven, or hell.

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

Faith/trust…..words people use when they have no evidence.

@justin10292000 8 ай бұрын

ALL metanarratives, philosophies, worldviews and religions are faith-based. Science itself is based on unprovable philosophical assumptions that are simply accepted a priori. Confidence = Latin con fide = "with faith." atheism is silly, toddler-tantrumish blind-faith based nonsense.

@eensio 8 ай бұрын

I hope that you can speak about your symptoms early enough to get the right medical care and in this way avoid suffering. It is not true that we must suffer before the death comes.

@davethebrahman9870 8 ай бұрын

God is never there when you need him. In the worst crises he is silent. People suffer the most appalling circumstances; they watch their children die of cancer, they suffer mental illnesses that turn the world into a nightmare, they are victims of every kind of abuse. Worse, there are individuals who suffer all these things. Not a peep from the supposedly loving Father. The only possible excuse for God is that he doesn’t exist.

@kenbarber6592 8 ай бұрын

Judge nothing before it’s time.

@davethebrahman9870 8 ай бұрын

@@kenbarber6592 What do you think would make up for God doing nothing while a million children died in gas chambers?

@grayfoxart2268 8 ай бұрын

@@davethebrahman9870 that's the difference, if bad things happen, you blame God, if he doesn't do anything you still blame Him. True Christian's trust God regardless of circumstances, that's why you keep hearing stories such as this on the video. God is the author of life, and certainly can give it back. This life we have is temporary.

@davethebrahman9870 8 ай бұрын

@@grayfoxart2268 What has any of that got to do with God’s culpability for the enormous amount of human suffering? Thank God he doesn’t exist, he would have to be a monster.

@kenbarber6592 8 ай бұрын

@@davethebrahman9870 You will see. By that I mean, you will see them all. Why do you think God was doing nothing?

@tandy.Jlions 8 ай бұрын

😊

@CaptainHowdyLa 8 ай бұрын

The god of the Bible. The most absent of fathers!

@whittfamily1 8 ай бұрын

Yes, God does not even exist. This has been proven.

@CaptainHowdyLa 8 ай бұрын

Imagine having a father who could do anything within his power (in this instance, supposed omnipotence) to relieve you of your pain, but decides not to. That's the kind of dad nobody wants, or needs. He's either a moral monster, or doesn't exist. Choose wisely.

@El_Paracleto 8 ай бұрын

OR, your thinking is in error...Nice try though...

@MrDylanHole 8 ай бұрын

Or simply God is impersonal.

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

Religious bullsh*t starts at childhood…the ultimate abuse. Should be laws against it..

@mr.c2485 8 ай бұрын

@@El_Paracleto Who knows? Your god is silent and indifferent.

@whittfamily1 8 ай бұрын

God doesn't exist. This has been proven.

@whittfamily1 8 ай бұрын

Getting terminal cancer is a major harm. If God did exist, he would prevent all major harms, like terminal cancer. But we have it anyway. What does this mean? Obviously, it means that God does not exist.