Where to use Main Skill Seed? Variable vs. Fixed Main Skills Explained

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[@Bropenings]

It seems the game mechanics encourage gambling

[@johnsont5515]

Dynamic RNG rates

[@1DiscipleDragon]

Gambling gets my blood flowing 😋

[@Bropenings]

@@1DiscipleDragon metronome enjoyer found

[@Moofydakidd]

These are severely informational, event hough I’m a complete whale I find these helpful, meanwhile I’m getting a head-start on hyper investing in water types for the future Suicune event. SN: Psychics as well, because I know Mewtwo (or Mew) will be a tough catch 😂

[@douglas98465]

The irony is that I had all good water Pokemon from the launch of the game. When that event hits I am gonna hit a homerun.

[@hariman7727]

This makes me so glad that I boosted my main scale chance up BFS Typhlosion with ridiculous inventory to main skill level 7. This also makes me tempted to boost my other BFS Typhlosion tomato skill level 7, even though it doesn't have the main skill up nature.

[@Bropenings]

As long as you use that Pokemon often, all the time, permanently. There are more returns from something that you use often than something "good for skill" but you can't use.

[@nirtheart]

Wow nice breakdown and research

[@yerko91]

Would have to disagree on the Wigglytuff point, if youre a NEW player though! It make take 4-5months or even more for a casual daily player to get to Lapis lakeside for a Ralts, and you would be denying yourself a strong healer until that point, if you find a good Igglybuff early on in greengrass, which then would slow down your overall process and advancement in the game. Because who knows how long it would take to find a decent Ralts worth investing into as well? Awsome video as always!

[@Bropenings]

As I said in the video, go for Skill Level Up wiggly to save your main seeds for later. I've recommended SLUM+SLUS be prioritised on iggly for all new players since ralts release.

[@realcupojoe]

Invested in wiggly before Lapis released 😢

[@StarParade]

​@realcupojoe don't worry, me too AND I've found an amazing ralts on lapis! Saying that, I still use my wiggly for everything! He still triggers about 4 times a day on average. I don't plan on swapping to garde anytime soon. The reinvestment is just not worth it. Sure maybe my new garde would trigger on average 6 times a day, but the amount of dream shards to take it there and the fact that you can't go over 150% energy doesn't really justify the swap in my opinion.

[@Gameboyreaper]

I surprised you didn’t cover special Pokémon in this video. Right now all my main skill seeds are going into my Raikou. I was lucky getting a really good one in the last event. I imagine some folks are going to pour them into a good Entei.

[@Bropenings]

Raikou is niche for overstacking currently so arent used commonly enough to recommend dumping main skill seeds. We have not yet got enough info on Entei. It's not even confirmed Entei is Skill specialty (likely, but not confirmed) so I try not to speculate and end up providing the wrong info. If my opinion changes upon Entei release, you can bet there'll be another video on it.

[@Gameboyreaper]

@@Bropenings I see. I did take your advice on the Vaporeon helping out the slowking getting more tails. It work out well. Well I be looking forward to your next set of videos this coming week since fire type are going to bountiful

[@Lulu-xl5cm]

@@Gameboyreaper Fellow Raikou user here, I also managed to get a good one, and I got his main skill up to level 6. With this mini candy boost event he'll be level 50 too. Worth it :D

[@DairneNeverwhere]

Great video, very helpful. Thanks. Just wish I’d found your channel when I first started playing in Jan 😆

[@Bropenings]

Hey, you're here now! Welcome to the channel

[@alanhelton]

Glad you spoke on dream shard magnet. I’ve been struggling for shards here at the mid game.

[@Bropenings]

Just be careful using DS magnet mons - they will inevitably reduce your DP which also means less DS. The magnet must be more than enough to compensate those DP losses. DP loss is also a candy loss too.

[@endmp25]

OG wigglytuff power!!!

[@TheSplashingSwampert]

Got my Guardevoir to Lvl. 6 Main Skill and it's sooo good. +18% for every team member is insane!

[@Bropenings]

Priorities^

[@Celegus]

After seeding my Wigglytuff early on, the only other I've gone all the way to level 6 is Dedenne. Little dude never leaves my team, some weeks I have a 50% crit rate

[@DaveSzumlanski]

I finally got a Totodile with BFS (at level 50). I still haven't found any BFS Cyndaquil or Chikorita. This is awesome info to have, although I'm still glad I invested early to get months of returns from my own Raichu, which was my first pokemon to reach level 55. I got lucky with a FTP Igglybuff, with Skill Level Up M at level 10, so it reached level 5 main skill upon evolving it to Wigglytuff. I gave it 1 main skill seed to get it to level 6, which may be a mistake, but it has served me well. :)

[@Bropenings]

If I could turn back time, knowing Piggy wasn't going to get great totodile/chikorita/cyndaquil for ages, I'd have recommended she invested those main seeds straight away into BFS Raichu. However times have changed and I don't know if she'll continue to use the Raichu forever, so the value is diminishing. I don't think you made any mistakes investing Raichu if it's been on your team forever.

[@Lulu-xl5cm]

I dumped all my main seeds into my Raikou getting it to level 6, no regrets xD This beast is on my team to stay

[@Bropenings]

I'm guessing you caught a great one!

[@Lulu-xl5cm]

@@Bropenings I think I did. BFS, Helping Bonus and double skill triggers. There's ingredient finder S and a neutral nature, but I'm ok with that.

[@glumada2]

I used my Seeds on Golduck a few weeks ago and got it to Lvl7 since I check the game very often. And boy it triggers so often, it's unreal

[@glumada2]

It is: +skill -exp Inventory L Skilltrigger M Helping Speed S (will use a sub seed) Inventory S Inventory M Absolute Beast

[@Bropenings]

Yes Golduck is top tier IF you collect extremely often (I can't recommend this for 99.9% of other players). Don't go to long sleep with it though.

[@glumada2]

@@Bropenings I swap it out before going to bed so something else works over night. I'll only swap it back in before i sync my go plus (if it needs healing) or after syncing (if it is near 100%)

[@scientistavena3277]

Thank you so much for talking about Lucario. But I think I will use it even if it is not the best dream shard Pokémon…I did use RaenonX and I am aware that my Lucario will only get 70% Snorlax strength of a good Primeape…but at least my Lucario has BFS and Dream Shard Bonus, Helping Speed S + M, Skill Trigger M and a Skill Trigger nature. So I can live with it being less strong, knowing it will give me more very needed shards…

[@Bropenings]

At the end of the day use what makes you happy. But did you invest main skill seeds? If you must use Lucario, it won't be good unless it's seeded.

[@scientistavena3277]

@@Bropenings I will save 4-5 some for him. At the moment I only train him on weeks I don’t need high drowsy power / I don’t need to train more important Pokémon or on weeks where I am on lapis again. I am aware that he will be the best he can be on level 75-100 and so I will wait for him to use him very often. But at that point I will need a shit load of Dream Shards and he will help me to get them :) my hope is, they will buff dream shard pokemon again.

[@DrkRoxas1]

Great video as always! Completely agree on Wiggly, but wondering why you didn't mention Sylveon? To me as a F2P I can only prioritize efficiency and if there's a better healer (Gardevoir) later that needs less MSS than Sylveon, even if I get a perfect Eevee, why would I turn it into Sylveon when I can take advantage of Eevee's multiple evolutions and get a perfect Flareon, Jolteon, Vaporeon, etc? Yes, healers are important, but I've seen that most really need those skill levels to break even with just putting another good ing / berry mon instead of them, so unless I get SLUS / SLUM, I think Sylveon also enters the "Don't invest and wait for Gardevoir" train for me, and even then, probably better to just make another Eeveelution with an early good level. I'm close to unlocking snowdrop, so still quite a bit for Lapis and then quite a bit to actually get a good Ralts, but even then, I can't justify using MSS's on another healer and it's not like there's no variety to Eeveelutions, so you can still make good use of a good Eevee without chosing a specialty that has a clear top contender, and helps you choose which by removing Sylveon from the ecuation. Would you agree with this statement?

[@Bropenings]

Oh, I didn't think I needed to bring up Sylveon. I've never recommended it even before Gardevoir release because Eevee candies are drained by other eeveelutions. And if you invest Sylveon, you just end up with an excess of Jiggly candies leftover for no reason. Sylveon is slightly better than Wiggly, but with Gardevoir released, Sylveon is just a pure skip. Also Sylveon only 1 evolution, worse than both Wiggly and Gardevoir for seed cost. Some people just really like Sylveon so nothing would've stopped them from investing in one anyway.

[@DrkRoxas1]

@@Bropenings Yeah! Completely agree. I've seen a lot of people still considering Sylveon but tbh, turning an Eevee into it just for a temporary healer that will be replaced later when I get to Gardevoir is the opposite of efficient. Better to just hunt for other mons until I get to Gardevoir and if I get a good Eevee just turn it into something else. Thanks!

[@nirtheart]

Personally I think #1 is healer and #2 cooking pot up and #3 a good ing magnet

[@Bropenings]

From a day-to-day basis, yes, CPU with higher skill level can help cook those stronger dishes quicker without running GCT. I hesitate recommending it though because you could just run 5x un-seeded CPUS pokemon for +200 expand pot method instead.

[@CallMeDental]

Im going completely off topic, but the more I think about late game, the more useful dream shard magnet will be. Once your pokemon get leveled up, the cost to power up via candies goes up. So, sometime in the future, dream shards might actually become a bottleneck. Even if shards don't become the bottleneck in late game (i.e. candies are the bottleneck, at least for levelling), we can force shards to be the bottleneck via the mini candy boosts we get during events. The obvious disadvantage is that you're trading off a snorlax-strength-focused pokemon on your team to farm shards. Hence, drowsy power and consequently pokemon encounters will worsen. So, it will definitely be at the detriment of early game players to go for a dream shard magnet 'mon. But if you're happy with the mons you have and you need to power them up, it might be worth considering. This was inspired by a crazy riolu I found several months ago, so I am trying to make this work, lol

[@charlie-ig4gh]

I think you’re completely right. Thinking about it, there was a point of the game in which I was short of shards… and I couldn’t level up my pokemon (despite having a lot of Handy Candy) and I couldn’t increase the pot size (the last one cost >100k), and I think once a new goal/area is available, it’s going to happen again.

[@Bropenings]

There're significant offsets on drowsy power that will harm dream shards earned from your sleep sessions that people dont talk about when they talk about dream shard magnet benefits. I have tried to estimate the losses but it's not easy to compare. Thankfully the magnet does overall get a little more shards back than you lose on sleep session. But that still hasn't accounted for candy loss, spawns lost, reduced shiny chance, slowed progression to reach new sleep style dex goals etc... I find many people run low on shards because they are investing in Pokemon that they don't actually currently need (not sure if that applies to you), because they start raising them and dumping candies just because they have good stats. If I were to use up all my current stocks of pokemon candies right now to level all pokemon in my box, I would have a severe shortage of shards. Shortage of shards actually arises more from too much spread of investment rather than "late game costs more dream shards", at this stage of the game.

[@Bropenings]

Side note: don't forget Dream Shard Bonus and Luck Incense exist that can create massive increases dream shards on Sunday sessions. One rarely spoken about strategy is to run 5x Dream Shard Bonus pokemon (unlocked at L10, not usually good pokemon) on Sunday night to get 30% to stack on top of any luck incense and any GSD or event bonuses. Considering Sunday sleep berries aren't worth anything to increase snorlax strength, this is even more viable. This method doesn't harm your drowsy power at all.

[@HaitaniMasayuki]

I've been playing since release, and I'm kind of surprised how so many people go away from ingredient gathering and focus on berries. On a good week I get three or four times as much energy through meals rather than berries. (maxed out ingredient box, using Dedenne and pot+ skills frequently) Last week I forced myself to focus on berries with specialists, BFS and only cook with ingredients I have and still did more through meals lol ... What am I missing?

[@Bropenings]

I'd have to see your actual teams used and how you played each week to make an in depth comment. However since it's not realistic for me to assess every aspect of how you played last 2 weeks, here are just some general comments to help explain your queries: 1 - The developers imo do think dishes aren't as strong as ideal berries, otherwise events would power up berries not dishes (example: flower event had 1.5x dish power) 2 - There's been significant power creep from ingredients/dishes since the start of the game. So when we first built teams it was very heavily berry focussed. But lately there's been more dishes. 3 - Building ingredient pokemon is the hardest of all 3 specialties so even IF dishes were better, it takes longer for people to get to the ideal builds (reference: mono ingredient build generally has a 1/9 chance of appearing) 4 - Meals require RNG whereas berry has no RNG requirements. If you had a good dish week and crit quite a few meals, especially Sunday, it could be stronger than purely berry focussed. But other weeks with no crits and didnt run favorite berries you could be crying. 5 - Additionally, looking at the total power at the end of the week is very biased to say cooking is better. Most of cooking power comes from Sunday meals with huge expanded pot and higher crit chance. Sunday is the worst time to get the most drowsy power. Ideally you should be getting more of that strength from the start of the week so you can get 7 days worth of benefits. This is why we talk about strategies to move power from one week to another (e.g. 200 expand pot). 6 - Pot size caps the max power you can get from ingredients. There is no cap over berry. A good mixture of both is important. If theoretically berry mons can cover all ingredients necessary to cover best dishes, there would be no need for ingredient mons at all.

[@douglas98465]

It seems I need to go back and invest in a different Ralts for the energy healing. My original Gardevoir that I got up to Lvl 30 was a Berry Finding specialist.

[@Dexuz]

BFS on Gardevoir is good though, because of Lapis Lakeside. And as a generalist it's fine as well, generating twice the berry strenght is no joke, that's why BFS is so good. Is BFS all your Gardevoir has going for it though?

[@Bropenings]

The question is how much skill trigger and other stats the Gardevoir has besides the BFS?

[@RomanTorchic]

Wow that’s great, I’ve got two shiny Swalot and a shiny Gulpin so I guess if I ever want to just farm dream shards and not play the game I can

[@Bropenings]

Yeah keep those swalots, BUT dont forget drowsy power also gives dream shards indirectly.

[@jacielespinosa-severo7134]

Would have to disagree with your feraligatr investment, I think you're trying to justify. Your returns would have been a lot better if you have nature that favored MSC.

[@Bropenings]

I think a lot of people have this confusion too. If I find a Typhlosion now with STM+STS+MSC up, but no BFS, would I seed it to Level 7? It's not even useable despite having all the skill up so you wouldn't seed it. So that's just what I explained in the video. I don't put seeds in things that aren't even spending much time on the team. I see them as 2 factors to consider 1 - Best seeding value per time spent with the Pokemon, then MSC up is obviously always better. But if you only use it half the time you'd only get 50% value back. 2 - Best seeding value over the lifetime of the game. This is the value seen for using a Pokemon for an extended time. Whether or not it is msc up (not talking about skill specialists) using something 100% of the time will be worth more if seeded (some exceptions like self-healers). Think about Piggy's Raichu that she has run for so long permanently. In hindsight, she should have used 5 main seeds on it whether or not she had msc up/down (it doesn't make much of a difference anyway for a non skill specialist). Regardless msc up/down is a small change for a non-skill specialist. I didn't want to complicate the video but if you want to know: My MSC down Feraligatr + 4 main seeds = 37.5k strength per day (non-fave berry) My MSC down Feraligatr + 0 main seeds = 28.8k strength per day (non-fave berry) 9k strength loss for not seeding quickly adds up to 1.6 million strength over 6 months of use.

[@jacielespinosa-severo7134]

Main Skill Seed Value is very complicated, but yeah I do agree that whichever pokemon you are using the most, should receive the main skill seed (if they have a considerable good skill trigger rate or powerful skill) but what I'm emphasizing is that your returns are not optimized just on the nature alone. If you have Energy Up & Exp Down, your returns would be very much better.

[@Bropenings]

@jacielespinosa-severo7134 absolutely. Your point is about point 1 I listed above. I'm just explaining some people don't consider point 2 which can overall have a bigger impact than nature.

[@Dexuz]

As a f2p, I would even consider buying main skill seeds for master biscuit price. Select Button pls.

[@7iago77]

so a feraligater with nature main skill and skill trigger and bfs is a good option? he has bfs lvl10, skill trigger lvl25 and slum on lvl50 with main skill up on nature. i have this doubt if i should use this one.

[@Bropenings]

Still want speed with it. If it has skill trigger then more worth investing seeds. The value just depends on how much you use it.

[@7iago77]

@@Bropenings The skill trigger is M on LVL 25. Yeah. Thats why i AM waiting a little bit. I really dont use it so much. Only on cyan

[@kaitlynabrams7544]

Extra Tasty S for the win!!!

[@ggd210]

I spent those seeds with Espeon lv.7 Sylveon lv.6 and Vaporeon lv.5 They are amazing!!

[@7iago77]

i did that to. my sylveon is awesome but somepoint i think i will change for a garvedoir.. my espeon trigger low times like 3 or 4 a day, but its a lot of strenght

[@Gameboyreaper]

Only two more seeds I need left then my raikou is at lvl 6. Just can’t wait to see progress on the next electric week (most likely in September)

[@ggd210]

@@Gameboyreaper you invest in the first Raikou or you get a better one??

[@Dexuz]

@@Gameboyreaper The next electric week?

[@Gameboyreaper]

@@ggd210I invested in the better one, I made sure to check its rating before I did go all in. He basically s rank which surprised me. After one more left to max, then going to save the rest of my seeds for a later date

[@espresso_makes_depresso5905]

So I have a shiny Sylveon. It's an S teir mon, Perfect subskills. Do I need to replace it with Gardevoir? I've already invested main skill seeds into Sylveon, so I'd be bummed if i had to effectively start over.

[@Bropenings]

Absolutely not. If you've already invested, Sylveon will be your main healer. My advice to not spend on Sylveon applies to people who haven't already invested (due to lack of Eevee candies, and that its base trigger rate is less than Gardevoir). In your case I would spend my biscuits on the other Pokemon at lakeside like dratini or stufful instead. Ralts would only be a secondary consideration for spending biscuits.

[@espresso_makes_depresso5905]

@@Bropenings That's such a relief! Thank you so much!

[@terryturner9576]

Charge strength M or go home. Love getting multiple 10+k procs every day.

[@Stormpop]

Thoughts on Gallade?

[@Bropenings]

Gallade is the best of the Extra Helpful skill. However Extra Helpful is power creeped by Helper Boost. Double however though, is that Extra Helpful is hard to get one with good stats since they're all legendaries and rare. I don't recommend Extra Helpful unless you know how to use it - e.g. for overstacking. Even then I'd prefer to save my seeds for a good Raikou/Entei Helper Boost instead.

[@filosuu]

How much money opportunity the developers have lost by making Lucario such an awful pokémon. Worst skill, worse rate, worst evolution requirement, and its berry is not favorite until you unlock Lapis.

[@Bropenings]

Umbreon even more so?

[@LordShonji]

Lucario fell on its face so Meganium could run

[@Kenbun03]

After 2 mins bropenings fell off

[@Bropenings]

Where did I go?

[@Lues72]

Your close person has already listened to you, and now they have a useless Vaporeon with 4 golden seeds. You constantly make mistakes, just amuse us and release funny content. You lack something in your head for analysis. No negativity intended.

[@Bropenings]

Vaporeon continues to be amazing for piggy to not need to spend a single ingredient ticket (saved for events) and is synergistic with her glaceon she already invested months ago. My tier list of eeveelution continues to have Vaporen at the top - and remains unchanged -- it's available on my discord if you need the help to understand.

[@Bropenings]

We played this game for the first few months without such a comprehensive calculator, and despite so, I didn't make a mistake investing in Feraligatr as I explained. I'm not sure where you got the "mistake". I did make a mistake investing Sudowoodoo with 1 main seed used within the first month, but that wasn't part of the video.