Which Ace Attorney Villain is the most evil part 2 [Objection.lol]

[@moxstoleyoursocks2241]

Well now we need to see Kristoph Gavin vs Blaise Debeste

[@theRealSnake61]

Lmao

[@eway44]

Actually I think they'd get along and team up

[@Benito675]

I love the contrast though, with Kristoph it's like "Me? A murderer? You could be right, but evidence is everything in court, and without proof your claim is simply preposterous" Meanwhile Blaise is just "Yeah i killed him but ya got no proof, cry about it lol"

[@fandom_kingdom_girl437]

​@@Benito675 I had a shity day and this made laugh, thank you

[@Benito675]

@@fandom_kingdom_girl437 👍

[@55alegria]

Kirstoph is the reason why people think that lawyers are evil heartless bastards

[@theRealSnake61]

True...

[@lachtigallYT]

Kristoph absolutely caused Apollos trust issues in DD- while Apollo testifies against Athena, the movements he uses aren't typical Apollo movements. His gestures are straight up Kristoph.

[@theRealSnake61]

True, I wish they referenced Kristoph more in DD...

[@Blaze57]

When Roger says “YOU SHOULD’VE STOMPED THAT BABY” I literally laughed until my sides hurt

[@AnaKa2019]

6:13 Ga'an: M-Mommy?! You watch your tongue peasant! Not even my husband would dare to call me that! Retinz: Of course not. Your womb is the only thing that has more dust than my mom's basement. Everyone: *EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!!*

[@theRealSnake61]

Lmao I can't stop laughing whenever that moment comes up

[@Benito675]

When even the Phantom starts showing concern you know you hit far more than a nerve

[@Kyot092]

Idk if it's just me, but I feel like Ga'ran is not only another version of Kristoph, but kinda or might be another version of Morgan Fey, if you ask me.

[@theRealSnake61]

I'm pretty sure Ga'ran is what you get when you put Manfred Von Karma, Morgan Fey, Dahlia Hawthorne and Kristoph Gavin in a blender.

[@Benito675]

​​@@theRealSnake61 "Now put two cups of Dahlia Hawthorne, three cups of Manfred von Karma, a teaspoon of Kristoph Gavin, and one full broken down Morgan Fey into the blender and blend on fine for 30 minutes. And Presto, One Ga'ran Sigatar Kura'in"

[@theRealSnake61]

@@Benito675 Oh ! And you can't forget 1 tablespoon of Blaise Debeste and 2 cups of Querecus Alba !

[@AlguienCualquieraDelMundo]

Love how Kristoph wins by convincing everyone he is the most evil

[@orpheusthepoet3149]

I love Reus and hate him so much. As Retinz he comes off as a scumbag out to make a quick buck but he's like his theme, it spirals more and more the longer it goes on. He becomes deeper and more vile, bullying a teenage girl repeatedly to get back at a dead man whose reputation had been in shambles for years. There is also the implication that this plan had been in the work for years. He had met Mistree and made him he apprentice two years prior, meaning he had planned this originally on Valant who tried to revive the trope two years prior in the original Apollo Justice. He is the one that set up the stage plays production, meaning he had kept the plan in his back pocket for two years as a just in case. The biggest thing is that he is really talented and is a direct challenge to everything Trucy stands for. For all his faults, Magnifi loved magic and wanted it to flourish, a joy for all to see. Trucy carried that on, taking the family creed and wanting everyone to be happy. Reus simply sees magic as a means to an end, something to stroke his ego, and then, something to use for revenge. Trucy never saw it coming because she never could have imagined that someone could use magic that way. And in the end he was happy, cause he felt like he had finally pulled one over on Magnifi. I think the thing that makes him so great though is that he walks that tightrope of being hated and cool, and evil without crossing the line into cartoon villainy. Ga'an is objectively more evil, but in that star wars kind of way were it is so over the top that I don't really take her seriously. Retinz though kept everything personal. Even when he was acting cartoonishly evil as a producer he grounded it with a genuine hate for Trucy's very existence. He makes me feel like he could be real.

[@theRealSnake61]

The best part is that he was actually defeated by someone related to Trucy (Her brother Apollo) and he doesn't even know it, I also like to think that he was somehow responsible for the accident where Thalassa was shot one way or another...

[@orpheusthepoet3149]

@@theRealSnake61 I think it's an interesting idea but I could take it or leave it. Reus wouldn't have been involved with the trope by then, seeing as there were no photos of him. I'd also point out that AJ:AA implies the reason as being an accident caused due to Zak and Valant trying to make their quick draw more dangerous in an attempt to keep it fresh. I'm less of a fan of every bad thing that has happened to the troup being Retinz's fault since the point of those accidents was to show that the rot of trope Gramery extended to just about everyone. It's what makes Trucy's revival so hopeful, a clean slate, which to barrow a phase, has no tricks, no gimmicks, just clean magic. If the quick draw was Retinz fault you make the magic trope less complex to add another layer when Retinz doesn't really need it.

[@theRealSnake61]

@@orpheusthepoet3149 I remember Trucy saying that the accident happened because Thalassa made a mistake, also the accident happened 1 year after Retinz was fired from the troupe so he probably tried to take revenge on Magnifi by potentially killing his daughter somehow but yeah

[@KirbyLinkACW]

About the "killing a man holding a baby" thing... There's a video on KZbin by Donut Operator discussing criminals who use babies and toddlers as shields to make the cops hesitate. And, yes, it shows the cops having to take the shot. While the criminal holds a baby. Then the criminal ragdolls, dropping the baby. Kristoph can be all "professionals have standards" as he wants, but they both tried to kill literal children.

[@elderliddle2733]

Queen could also rewrite laws on the fly and have them apply in retrospect. Most nations can’t do that.

[@theRealSnake61]

Fr. How did we go from Updating autopsy reports to updating laws ?

[@wobblewokgaming655]

I like Kristoph because of how well he fits with the story of Apollo Justice. Him being someone who knows the flaws of the AA legal system and knowing how to work around it for his benefit was honestly cool to see. And he's introduced as the Mia Fey style mentor character at the start, too. I like Aristotle because of how all in the Devs went on his design. Dude looks liks a Greek statue came to life. That and is second design with the mohawk goes hard, ngl. Two of my favorites, personally.

[@deborabarreto8355]

When you think about it,garan is the real main villain of the entire apollo trilogy if she didnt kill jove justice then thalassa would not have returned to troupe gramarye,which means that she would not have been shot,which means that magnifi wouldnt kill himself Which means that kristoph would have never been replaced by phoenix Which means that he wouldnt be disbarred and probably would have defended simon in court

[@theRealSnake61]

True

[@55alegria]

You are right, but then Trucy wouldn't have been born!

[@theRealSnake61]

@@55alegria TRUCY NOOO!!!!!

[@tobyonatabe2601]

That is pretty crazy

[@Benito675]

I think the best way to settle this is like this: Kristoph: most iconic AJ T Villain Retinz: Best overall Villain in AJ T Ga'ran: Most straight up EVIL Villain Honorable mention: While yes Kristoph started the dark age of the law, i really like the way that Aristotle Means made Athena feel absolutely powerless. OH also Phantom best Villain and very horrifying haha please don't assassinate me Detective Fullbright

[@pikachupower0025]

Fullbright was already dead. It would be “The Phantom”

[@joshuapennington6005]

6:20 Nahhhh, That is a Whole violation

[@YouStalkerFR]

Damn the roast burnt ga’ran to a crisp

[@bestboi2945]

I still think the phantom was the best twist villan out of all of them.

[@theRealSnake61]

The only one that can come close is Kristoph, but his twist wasn't done well in my opinion so yeah... Phantom it is.

[@Benito675]

Kinda ironic how the Phantom (DD's embodiment of the dark age of the Law) posed as Bobby Fullbright, someone who claimed to be the embodiment of Justice

[@12arkich28]

Phantom was the only one who went on a philosophy rant about how emotions and humanity sucks so you shouldn't trust anyone. He would have gotten away with it if Aura didn't pull that hostages thing bc he framed Athena making Blackquill's time cut short to his execution. Tho he didn't need to target Athena specifically (would be finny he remembered her as that kid who stabbed him so he decided to be petty). Tho i see many Kristoph and Phantom parallel since they both have scars on their hands, started the dark age, influence Apollo to follow his doubts, etc. Kristoph is bad but Garan did worse. Kristoph is out of narcissism and Garan has inferiority complex. So yeah, either Kristoph or Garan. Roger was just petty revenge tho. Means's scale is pretty small, but at least he was willing to get every suspects innocent to look good. And Inga genuinely loved his not-daughter and probably tried to get her become queen instead of Garan since he can't have spiritual power. So they aren't that bad. Funny i would say Inga has the most humanizing feature here since loving his daughter is the most "damn he isn't that bad" thing one could do in writing. (I can think Garan and Inga met bc they were both prosecutors. And Dhurke said Garan used to love him as a brother. So might be all of them were friends in court once? Whatever. But the idea could be interesting, like Inga killed Dhurke but also loved Rayfa as his daughter).

[@monsoon1303]

Kristoph be like: "Everything you preached, I said it first- you should jot down these words, plagiarize my whole verse!"

[@dannycaceres5119]

Huh, I don’t know where you got the Phantom’s “Objection!” from but it sounds so genuine that it makes me wish he actually had it in DD.

[@theRealSnake61]

The Fulbright character I used already had the voicelines, I didn't make it. (And yes I wish he actually had it too)

[@SoraFan23]

Yeah I am going to give it to Kristoph Gavin.

[@baklefenwick7498]

Now we need a debate between the villains of pwt and ajt see which era the have the mist evil

[@theRealSnake61]

I might make it someday, but for now I don't plan on continuing this.

[@xanderscookingschool1497]

Kristoph, Phantom, and Ga'ran for obvious reasons should be near the top. Kristoph for helping cause the Dark Age of Law to stroke his own ego, ruining Phoenix's career out of pure spite, and attempting to kill Vera, who was only 12 at the time of the attempt. Phantom for blowing up a courtroom, endangering hundreds of innocents in the process, just to escape, murdering and violently mutilating Bobby Fullbright, and being the textbook definition of a psychopath. It doesn't matter if it was his job, he chose to be apart of the terrorist organization and he clearly finds sadistic joy in it. And the fact he did everything they told him to do, no matter how horrendous, shows that he has no moral codes. And Ga'ran for creating the Defense Culpability Act which is basically genocide. I might be biased, but I decide to put Kristoph at the top. I think it should be 6: Means 5: Retinz (I have no idea what the fuck he's doing here, and especially so high.) 4: Inga 3: Phantom (Seriously, why was he so low? Lower than Retinz somehow too.) 2: Ga'ran 1: Kristoph Edit: Also, yes Phantom has an impact. He's the reason Simon's in jail in the first place. Edit 2: I would suggest doing TGAA in the future, but really only Jezaille Brett and Mael Stronghart can go anywhere near the top. Along with MAYBE Magnus McGilded. Edit 3: I also think Kristoph is pettier than Retinz. He ruined Phoenix's career just because Zak Gramarye chose Phoenix as his attorney instead of Kristoph. He also killed Zak for that.

[@theRealSnake61]

Retinz is more of a Redd White type of antagonist in my opinion, he literally had control of the media and can do anything. He almost ruined the entire Wright Anything Agency just because they were defending Trucy (he probably ruined other people before but we don't know), and killed his own fan and aprentice just to get Trucy arrested. Phantom may have been too low I get that, but Retinz should be at least 5th place.

[@xanderscookingschool1497]

@theRealSnake61 Fair enough. He does seem worse than Means at least. But I will say for an Ace Attorney abuser, Retinz hasn't caused a lot of damage. For example: Matt Engarde drove his ex to suicide, Dahlia killed several people and convinced Terry to commit suicide, and Manfred von Karma gaslighted Miles into thinking he killed his father and gave him nightmares about it for 15 years. While meanwhile, Retinz failed to mentally break a 17 year old girl.

[@colinguo5855]

Like the Phantom in his screen time is responsible for two counts of terrorism.

[@gabrielkattick3512]

I could see you doing a Part 3 if we get an Athena Cykes Trilogy

[@theRealSnake61]

If only... Although I would make it a TGAA vid, but I'm not feeling like doing it at the moment.

[@patrickh6571]

Seriously I didn't like Ga'ran at all. She tried to kill her sister, framed Dhurke and later killed Inga and convinced her sister to once again blame the innocent Dhurke. Given it was again about spiritual powers, two sisters that fight and make their husbands' lifes miserable because of their feud... it's just the Fey Clan but recycled. And seriously, just casually changing laws during a trial just because you're about to be cornered isn't even impressive, it's some Mary Sue thing. Considering how Souta Sarushiro, Manfred von Karma, Damon Gant, Kristoph Gavin or even Hart Vortex operated, they all proved to be masterminds that exploited the flaws in the Japanese (or English in Vortex' case) law system. Compared to that we got as the final villain a recycled Morgan Fey with the privileges of a dictator.

[@theRealSnake61]

@@patrickh6571 one thing I also didn't like about her is how obvious it was that she was the villain, though I will say that Turnabout Revolution does a pretty good job diverting suspicion away from for a while.

[@SuperMophie]

8:20 Oh bruh

[@Benito675]

Mr. Reus: "U w0t M8"

[@maximax1040]

9:31 Personally I love the passage music makes Gavin’s speech so much stronger I think.

[@theRealSnake61]

One of the many reasons why Mr. Reus' theme is a banger ! 🔥🔥🔥

[@maximax1040]

@@theRealSnake61 Indeed and combine with Kristoph who also imposes it makes all incredible

[@zeromarurb4791]

Personally i would put Garan last cause its just so hard to take her seriously lol

[@robloxwithacetheavenger4908]

Kristoph Gavin vs Mael Stronghart vs Blaise Debeste The perfect match to see who the most evil villain is

[@matigamer329]

will you do a part 3 where you put the TGAA and PLvsPW villains?

[@theRealSnake61]

The thing is, I already made it. Although it's more of an April fools video.

[@matigamer329]

@@theRealSnake61 oh. Well shit.

[@bankasupa]

1:56 and Callisto Yew

[@theRealSnake61]

Chronologically yes, she is the first guilty Defense Attorney. But we were talking by release order so it would be Kristoph (or Godot/Diego Armando if you prefer)

[@diesakuma367]

I personally disagree with kristoph being the most evil Garan obviously wins Sure kristoph started the dark age blah blah But she technically started it first in her country so kristoph technically copied her Also killing infant argument you made Sure kristoph use the law smarter than her but that did not had an impact And unlike kristoph she is used properly in the story Like im AJ I felt like they forgot kristoph existed and then they realize"oh right he is the final villain" Also some of his plans rely just on luck(that phoenix is that stupid to present evidence) At least garan was making her plans without relying on luck Also kristoph is so underutulized that I kinda stopped caring about him Also even if he would got away with killing drew misham he is still in jail=no satisfaction And garan was a threat from the start to finish If you lose you die so there are stakes Also kristoph connection to apollo are laughable Garan at least has a personal one So im sorry but garan is better written than kristoph imo And ergo she wins

[@BulletxBro]

I wouldn’t call Inga a villain, he did really care for his daughter and probably hated lawyers just because of what his wife told him.

[@theRealSnake61]

He was one of the asshole character and tried to kill Phoenix with the DC Act as well as kidnappings Maya and many other stuff.

[@BulletxBro]

@@theRealSnake61 Under the Influence of his wife. His wife wanted the founder orb, and Rayfa said her dad was not the kind of person to kidnap anyone at all.

[@IDKstudious]

This is so cool

[@theRealSnake61]

Thanks ! Glad you loved it

[@AvelineMelena]

Means is honestly my favorite vilain

[@gwennolinevassault]

yoo salut j'ai vu que t'étais francais

[@theRealSnake61]

@@gwennolinevassault salut en fait je suis algerien, le francais c'est juste la langue par default dans mon telephone lol

[@coolcomments]

Hold it ! Why is your KZbin in french? Are you learning French? Are you french?

[@theRealSnake61]

I'm algerian but we're good with french so we use it as language for our systems

[@coolcomments]

@@theRealSnake61 Ok