Which Art Career Path Will You Choose?

Ever wondered if you have the personality and spirit to be an entrepreneur? In this clip from the Draftsmen Podcast, Marshall and Stan discuss some of the different career paths an artist can take and how you can tell which path might fit you best. Clip taken from How to Shape Your Art Career - Draftsmen S3E01. Full episode - • How to Shape Your Art ...
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Stan Prokopenko and Marshall Vandruff are art instructors. If you love the arts, particularly the craft of drawing and painting and image-making… and you want to level up your skills or even make a living with your skills, we are here to answer your questions. We’re here to offer you advice, refer you to our resources, share your love of the craft and maybe inspire you! Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.... Subscribe to the podcast at bit.ly/Draftsme...
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[@ProkoTV]

Draftsmen Podcast is back! - kzbin.info

[@RoelCandaeleARTISTSPAGE]

I don't know if i need to like or not , but you got my attention ;-)

[@adammasterx5854]

Very cool

[@saneen1532]

Proko, you really looks like jim moriarty.....

[@PuppetMaster8707]

I honestly have no idea if my cartoons will ever land me a career but regardless I'm just having a blast with them

[@TheArtofKAS]

That's the mood you need to keep my friend. Keep that fire going and let it burn bright.

[@Serinigalini]

I'm the same way. I've been more active in social media with my art, and I've been having fun despite it not taking up that quick. Hopefully one day though

[@grayovercast]

I didn't think I was an entrepreneur when I was younger but thinking back now I see why people always said to go in business for myself. Now at 42 I'm on my way.

[@shadowslayer4578]

So u did nothing before 42 ? How did u arrange bread for the dinner?

[@grayovercast]

@@shadowslayer4578 I worked, but that's different than going into business for yourself. I also had a side Etsy gig for a bit selling crocheted items but it was just a hobby.

[@lsam_lais]

honestly, thank you for this episode as a young artist who likes to be given the decisions more than making them, it's really nice to hear from professionals that there's a place for me in the industry, even if I'm not an entrepreneur myself. thank you very much, this helped a lot with my anxiety

[@serikosartcorner8597]

I like making decisions for my own projects but I hate making decisions when it's for someone else's project. If it's someone else's project, I usually get stuck in a loop of coming up with ideas and then discarding them, because I don't know if they match the expectations of that person. For my own projects, I just do what feels right to me and experiment with the ideas I have. Don't know if I can ever make money with my art but even if not, I will continue to draw, learn, and practice because I love to draw. I stopped drawing once because I thought I wasn't good enough and didn't even realize how miserable that made me feel until I started drawing again. I won't make that mistake ever again!

[@nikkidl13]

Because you don't know if they match their expectations? That's exactly where my talent lies, figuring out what it is that people want. Some people are terrible when it comes to communicating to someone else what they want but that usually means they themselves don't even know what they want. And I'm talking about individual people here, not large groups because the wants and needs of large groups of people don't make sense to me hahaha. But the only reason why I love designing is because I can take the perspective of different people who are invested with the design and making sure it matches all their expectations. I love all kinds of feedback and trying to puzzle together something that makes everyone happy. Before you ask, yes I'm a people pleaser. lol.

[@danrazART]

Are we artist or businessmen? Or business artist? You just killed the line! 😂 Stan the man, prokopenko!

[@IceyDivine]

It’s hard honestly, designing your own project .. I sometimes think it’s a fear of making a mistake or the fear of not knowing if you’re doing something right

[@Dalenacreates]

Thank you for expanding my horizons! At my day job, I have to make a lot of decisions + delegate tasks for projects for others, but at home as an artist, I happily make decisions for my own projects.

[@LightCurlz]

Skip to about 5:50. Thought this video would talk more about art career options. It did not. That’s my bad. It Kinda started out eye rolling at students that aren’t comfortable with project design vs decision makers. and ends with saying that both instruction followers and decision makers are both perfectly valid art career paths.

[@theponie5880]

Yea, I was a little dissapointed

[@jamesacademya5433]

Fan from the Philippines

[@johnacts3975]

Me too. Filipino here

[@tangpuzzy]

Same

[@viyaGyudon]

Eyooo

[@TheArtofKAS]

UGG.... I love this discussion. I went through so much of this last year and it was so worth it. Entrepreneurship got me into solving problems more and more from Communication to Designing and setting structure to executing the vision. All fun things to do in an entrepreneurial environment, but by yourself, I see how they can be overwhelming.

[@alfredreid1504]

Welcome back Greetings from Dublin Ireland

[@cozywalrus7175]

Yayy i from dublin too 🇮🇪

[@alfredreid1504]

@@cozywalrus7175 Greetings @alfierw288art instagram

[@jiraiyaapprentice5733]

I feel like there was three job types that can actually be described here Writer: Creative ideas/concepts Director: Able to Organise the concept, resources and people to bring the idea to life Artist: Able to Render and refine the idea All Creative in their own right 🙌

[@marcosmartinez8088]

Great talk. I think one thing the people could take in count is Prince career in the late 90's. He defined in one interview the success as create music and the people could be able to hear it. Even thought he was a musician, some advices from Prince , as a creator and enterpreneur, could be useful as a artist and enterpreneur.

[@rogerith7905]

I feel as though I'm a creative thinker but I want to hone my craft so I can sell my craft..and continue making my craft, I want to make a cycle

[@KitKatWiffleBallBat]

Glad to have y'all back!

[@Pegisus2501]

Can y'all give specific examples of problems that exist that visual artistry can solve? 🤔 I really appreciate these podcasts. 😉 Thank you! 😊👍🏽✏🖌🎨🖼 P.S.: Looked at the full episode and got the answer to my question. 😉😁

[@cronian2372]

marshall slowly becomes santa

[@amonibyron]

Interesting & helpful conversation , Tuning in from Kenya 🇰🇪

[@NoblesseObligedCP]

This talk reminds me of a video I saw for the E myth book reviewed by vinh giang the book speaks about different mindset. You have the entrpenuer, the manage and the technician its a great video get you thinking read the book as well.

[@juliai3956]

This is the kind of information I've been looking for. Thank you so much!

[@fxxalaba3836]

What if I want to do bother tho. I’d like to have my own projects and fulfill my own creative visions but at the same time I want to be at the front lines of production. So in Summary I want to have my own unique projects but still be the artist that puts them into practice

[@lthereader5670]

feels relatable mate. my guess and attempt at an advice to both myself and everyone reading would probally be going out for smaller solo projects. maybe designing a indie video game, making short animated movies, and so on. i really just speaking with a theory and not experience though. actually if anyone has an opinion on this i would like them to comment as well.

[@Daniel780K]

Marshall is really rocking this beard

[@Athalfuns]

I disagree that artist and bussinessmen are connected the way Proko suggests. A bussinessman, I believe, is a solution solver always connected to having profits to cover your expenses in that business, at least. But an artist is much more complex and I don't see that all artists have the same core goal or solution to solve. Some might search for a solution of the problem of stylizing something, or find the solution of creating a new scene or world, or the hardest, I believe, find the solution of showing to others the images you have inside of your head exactly as they appear to you.

[@MultiNAME69]

You are half right. Theres difference between an entrepreneur and a businessman. An entrepreneur creates his own project, works on it and makes it a thing while a businessman looks and research for ongoing projects and offers a solution. There are variety of artists, some falls in entrepreneurship and some in dealership, etc. Its a bigger field than what people thing its to be. For example a commission artist is like a salary employee or freelancer who depends on others projects.

[@marimoerostraw]

I know it's not directly related, but I keep stressing over whether it's a viable choice to self-teach drawing and become legit good at it, so I can start earning some form of income from it eventually I understand it takes time and diligence, which is why I'm afraid the time and energy I'll invest in it won't pay off (I've done my research and know well how to go about teaching myself/practicing, I'm just unsure of committing to the endeavor 😓)

[@LaumaBelska]

Try both ways. I have been drawing /painting / earning money with art since like age 12-13? And now im 23. I learned everything myself, and tbh, im not afraid to say that im good at what i do. Iv done so many projects and commisions for random people that now, after almost 10 years of doing that, i dont want to anymore, and i will finally go and study art in an academy, because thats the next natural step my art “career” has taken. And idk if ill be doing any random commisions anymore. What im trying to say is- do what feels natural at the moment. If u are really into art and have some ideas already, how you could gain profit from it- ure already on the right path. Wish u the best of luck!

[@marimoerostraw]

@@LaumaBelska thank you for sharing your thoughts, even though I posted my question quite a while back I've actually only got into my practice these last 2 months (was being too occupied by work before😑), either way I hope your career pans out even better than you're anticipating, cheers ❤

[@fruit_fingrr]

Wow very insightful

[@chelseawhite7117]

I’m really excited to have found this episode and know about the podcast; I’m gonna be checking it out tonight, because it seems like a lot of advice I could really use. However, I did NOT appreciate that guy insinuating that a good artist is a good capitalist/entrepreneur. I hear what he’s saying about problem solving but it felt so oversimplified. That one part was irritating.

[@victormawanda6322]

I have really learnt alot from your videos ,thanks alot for that , Victor from Uganda

[@pranossaalegria100]

Thanks for the video!! From brazil

[@GameSharkBlue]

I think the defining difference is fearlessness. I'll reference DUNE here in that it is the mind killer. Regardless of your skill, if you've been terrified and terrorized, the art exists no matter what, but the outward model for the person is then banged up like a broken peroscope. I think the "Shape" of the industry is just needed to be comprehended. And EGO is the issue with this. Your knowledge and what you can accomplish sometimes is hampered by either communication skills of yourself, or those around you. So freelance is also about mitigating. I enjoy the conversation here cause it prods the idea of: "What is is an art director compared to a Director?" And it's process equivalent. Time. The director has vision but no time to execute. The Asst helps structure it even if the director COULD do it on their own. I believe THAT would be the defining factor of freelancing to studio. Studio is an academic structure of modulization. We segment the aspects of product needed. Tops and lids instead of the whole gallon of milk. So, if I'm a swiss army knife. I have to convince you of that. I have to show you it. What are you allowed to do? Can you ask for that money? Is this worth that? A director can say this is worth ______________. An asst director asks what is it worth. An asst director is training to BE a director. This academia is a martial arts game without the EGO. Chefs are that way too. But I think primarily what links Chefs, Visual Artists, Musicians, abstractionists, media moguls and Producer-ship as a whole is really how much you're playing against the house (gambling style) versus those who think they ARE the house. Walt Disney had no Ego. (Yensid) Mickey Mouse was just a trope he replaced. He felt lucky and then he felt like a rat after his rabbit was stolen. I mean it's not difficult to trace the BIGGEST heroes backwards and see their successes and read it out and figure out their soulful nature. I think the difference is also in who can see that soulful nature. Who thinks they own it. Who wants to ship it, cut it, dissect it, and grow it in some formula tube. But that never works. Most Directors don't care if you copy em and the signature is just a formality. The whole of their being is woven into what they do. If you're serious about something. All that remains is to give yourself permission to look another human in the eye and say, "My time is invaluable like yours. This is what I'm worth. My brain is an engine you're paying for." If you can't do that, you're trapped. If you see and can't speak it, then you're also trapped... Abuse is rampant in psychology and art can't escape it (in an obvious manner). Mayhaps the notion would be: Value the Self. Value the self. Is this abstraction so wildly different that it's valuable? I was asked that by Kevin Lee (from Ai in Tennessee) and I couldn't answer him. So I took years reading and cross reading and scanning and studying and drawing until I'm seeing different pictures in my head than anybody else whatsoever. And anybody can do that really. That's why the technicality of gettin it outta me is more important than a brand or package. You selling passive or active? If you can passively sit and run through worlds and scripts. Ask for the money. You deserve it. Self-Worth is the variable here. Ego artistry requires a HUGE handle on EGO alone and I suspect it accounts for like... half or more of the visual arts medium.

[@kairi3236]

this truly is beautiful ❤️

[@GameSharkBlue]

@@kairi3236 Glad it helped! I write it and even if though it's wordy and annoying, I think maybe someone will eventually be curious; like Bloodborne messages echoing xD Hope you are well

[@mona_9990]

Wooow😍 i'm sooo happy and excited🤘

[@beerhigh04]

I wish marshall could finish his online course this year

[@isben_]

Great talk, thank you :)

[@STICKYArt]

Entrepreneur is takes breaking from the known. It scares a lot of people!

[@thetiredanimator2215]

Love from india

[@ganonfan08]

Kinda lost the passion through commission work. Still trying to figure it out.

[@HimanArtists]

Wow, Very good

[@angeliqueroux3017]

Will you be covering galleries as well?

[@bulart1851]

very interesting! 👍

[@joseleonardo8248]

I just realized Marshall looks like the oldest version of Dr. Strange possible xd

[@ProkoTV]

He definitely understands different dimensions lol

[@WaawArt]

Very nice my friend

[@emilhollmann3221]

Hello there nice video 👍🏻👍🏻

[@minsan9138]

Wow.

[@kawayananazioly]

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[@projp9057]

Ok

[@strawberrik]

🙌✨

[@SokHengArt]

hmm

[@kingspaz111]

Wtf Stan are u not paying attention

[@krishnanshuyog6713]

Love from india