Which Dark Souls Character is The Most Evil? | Morality Ranking

[@_2fcd_978]

Sullyvahn really looked at his loving mom, supportive community, safe environment (for him) in the Painted World and said "Naw! There ain't nothing for me here. I wanna go conquer and enslave other people."

[@fsjof]

"Loving mom" do we even know who she is?

[@NoLifeKing_0]

@@fsjofthere’s a tree-woman in the painted world of Ariandel who has dialogue where she rambles that her child should come home because it’s cold. Under her is the snap freeze spell which is a sorcery created by Sullyvahn, who left the painted world. So people have come to assume that this tree-woman is Sullyvahns mother even though the evidence is only suggestive.

[@AzizSketches]

@@NoLifeKing_0he have tree face and wings as well

[@rubinolas6998]

that sigma grindset

[@clickbaitable6320]

He had everything handed to him. Born and raised in a paradise for forlorn beings rejected by the real world. He didn’t belong with those people because he never lost anything never fought for anything. He had to leave to find those things. He was corrupted by the profane flame into the man with a tyrannical ambition.

[@historicflame972]

"Master Sulyvahn, why did you mutate all those people, put us under martial law, kills so many, and torture your own troops?" "Idk man my home was really fookin' cold"

[@deathandrebirth-y8x]

sounds like gwyn and the witch

[@Gods_choosen_warrior]

Worth it

[@rydermccall3590]

Gwyn is evil. It was Gwyn who committed the first sin by betraying humanity who helped him in his war with the ancient dragons. He abandoned his daughter to keep the Pygmy Lords hidden away. He disowned and erased his son from history because he fraternized with dragons, even though Gwyn himself was a confidant of Seeth the Scaleless. Gwyn also allowed the torturous experiments by Seeth to continue.

[@deathandrebirth-y8x]

all because old boy gwyn was afraid of the dark

[@yin3229]

I think at the least he's "bad", not straight up evil, he still cared for his kingdom as he sacrificed his own sanity and power to keep it together.

[@erisimp]

Pretty sure the disownment thing was actually Gwydolin, if only for the fact that Gwyn's firstborn left a miracle on his father's tomb. Pretty sure he'd have been chased off if the disownment happened before Gwyn left to Link the Fire.

[@shiro4095]

I think gwyn did not banish nameless king because in ds1 dlc which is 300 or so years prior the chosen undeads birth u can see the unded burg from oolacil and in the undead burg there is a destroyed statue of him and the primordial serpent stated that gwyn linked the flame like a 1000 years ago so it cant be him who banished his son like why do u build a statue of someone whos already been banished so it was most likely llyod who did that he probs didn't like the idea of him being the heir of sunlight

[@kaervalos]

He even had slave knights in his army

[@Dbanksmiranda]

It's arkade for not posting the dlc feet ranking video

[@LarryGaming2009]

FACTS

[@Dbanksmiranda]

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[@LarryGaming2009]

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[@prodLa_]

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[@charlesjenkins6008]

This is the first comment I’ve read on the first video I’ve seen by this channel lol

[@Scowleasy]

I get that gwyn chose to sacrifice himself when he could’ve went on war of conquest for the other lord souls; but damning an entire race of people and creating a religion that pushes them to burn their own souls is probably unforgivable. As for Manus, I think you can argue that he isn’t outright malicious but more insane or just a raving beast.

[@justanotherguy560]

The dude was denied a peaceful death, and to add insult to injury, had his tomb desecrated.

[@JimnyThePython]

Warned him about the looming threat of the Giants? Didn’t she just straight up make that up? If I remember correctly she goaded Vendrick into attacking the Giants because of her own want.

[@collinhalverson4681]

This is the accurate lore.

[@alwaystheblacksheep]

I'm sure there's a quote in one of the memories about the giants attacking in revenge after "the kingdoms misguided barbarism".

[@deathandrebirth-y8x]

vendrick was a war monger. he looked for fights

[@Ronam0451]

Her throne of want, if you will

[@Hawntbawt]

Bruh how is patches more evil than this? xD

[@Tero133]

Lautrec killed the fire keeper for what he thought was the greater good. Anything to end the endless stream of undead being sent to be sacrificed. Removing the firekeeper removes the bonfire helping the undead on their way to their eventual death. He's meant to be mistrusted by the player until you realize he had a knowledge the player will only find out later. He hints at his intention through his dialogue about how he hates Petrus and the Way of White.

[@DERyuga]

Hold on, you heard a dude is a sadistic cannibal and went "yeah that sounds morally grey". Im suddenly terrifed to ever meet you LMAO

[@maxburrill6192]

It's not cannibalism if Smough isn't a human.

[@DERyuga]

@maxburrill6192 If a friend of mine started eating an ape that was capable of holding a conversation with me Id probably be scared that I might be next. Likewise if someone's job was to put people out of their misery but they enjoyed it to yhe point that they turned them into an eatable paste my immediate thinking isnt going to be "oh they're pretty chill" The gods are basically just bigger humans, its essentially cannibalism. Besides, they could have sentenced other gods to death

[@elijahepling4872]

Can we just go over the fact that Gwyn build the ringed city to get the remaining humans AS FAR AWAY FROM HIM as he could get them and still hated them. He put them in the worse position in the entire world and labeled it a “gift”.

[@abyssalseal]

Nah, Nashandra is straight-up evil. And she could've changed if she tried hard enough, just like her sister Alsanna. Also, where are the DS2 DLC bad guys?

[@Raphie009]

Nashandra was so evil her goddamn *portrait* cursed you just by viewing it.

[@lucasmonteiro600]

​@@Raphie009 nashandra is very very evil

[@TheMidnightVendetta]

Not Pontiff Sullivan being PDiddy with his Dancer of the boreal valley

[@dmaster184]

Now I see why he imprisoned Gwndolin...

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

Sulyvahn*

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

​@@dmaster184Gwyndolin*

[@brandona9326]

Really? You really need to correct them both?

[@OUGIover]

@@jarlwhiterun7478weirdo

[@diegocantu9853]

Seath: *Tells gywn how to kill dragons out of envy, nearly kills his own race, fails to become immortal, does horrible experiments to mimic immortality, and dies shrieking* Bayle: *Throws hands with Placidussax for going afk, loses his limbs before tactically retreating, starts dragon race war, spares Igon with less limbs to fight him again, and dies summoning lightning one last time* In all seriousness, I think a neat comparison could be made between these two dragons for how similar yet drastically different they are.

[@Battleguild]

Seath does achieve immortality through Lichdom by making the Primordial Crystal his Phylactery. For as long as the crystal was unbroken or he survived to repair it, Seath effectively had true immortality. (It was his own version of the Ancient Dragon's Stone Scales.) He also had other achievements, such as: Grandfather of Sorcery Obtained accursed knowledge Created numerous monstrosities Sired Half-Dragon Crossbreeds Enslaved Midir for the Gods Defeated Havel the Rock Defeated Big Hat Logan Defeated the Chosen Undead canonically at least once. 2nd most influential character in the entirety of Dark Souls. While his death wasn't a roar nor a shriek, it does come off more as a bellow of frustration however.

[@StizzardLizzard]

Seath is more morally ambiguous IMO since he had a reason to do what he did, rejected by his kind exiled by his kind.

[@christopherdunlap7028]

Aldrich is easily number one. It's not just that he would devour human flesh. He ate them while they were still alive and it wasn't just humans, but mainly children. The deacons would collect orphaned kids and in turn would feed them to Aldrich to keep him satisfied and we can tell from Anri's description and the battle with Aldrich, that he ate them while they were still alive. Sulyvahn only contributed to Aldrich's gluttonous ass because he was trying to become more powerful and increase his standing. In a kingdom where children are sacrificed alive, the one doing the devouring is the most evil.

[@justanotherguy560]

Also, feel free to correct me as I only heard about this. But wasn’t it also implied that some of the children he ate were children he forced Rosaria to have? I can’t remember where I heard this.

[@christopherdunlap7028]

@justanotherguy560 I haven't heard that. I'll have to check into it.

[@samuelnicholson7905]

Seath is worse still

[@dominicbeller8700]

Never heard of your channel, but you’ve got a new fan. Always love hearing an analysis on Sulyvahn’s character. As a longtime FromSoft fan (got DS1 release day when I was like 13 and fell in love) and I genuinely believe he’s their best, subtly written character. Every single bad thing that happens in Lothric you can chalk up to him, either directly or vaguely. Profaned Flame/Yhorm’s entire kingdom getting torched? Sulyvahn did it. Lothric finding an outside influence to convince him to remove himself from his duties? (Not evil on its own, but this outsid influence clearly has evil intentions.) Sulyvahn. The HORRIBLE situation of the capital, Anor Londo, Aldrich, , potentially Priscilla, potentially Nito, Gwyndolin who is legitimately in the middle of being devoured alive (you can hear his screams subtly in Aldrich’s fight,) Dancer, and Vordt, all of their miserable situations? Sulyvahn did it. Granted: Aldrich isn’t so much in a horrible situation, but a horrible being inflicted on the rest but Aldrich is almost this instinctual, almost bestial force. Sulyvahn let him loose. There’s even subtle hints that he’s responsible for Wolnir and the Abyss Watcher’s fall. He may have killed Iudex Gundyr’s fire keeper too, the last two are more vague. He is heavily implied to have influenced the split in the Painted World ideologies too and creating the awful state it’s in. All of this likely because he was curious and insecure. He’s the closest to a genuine main antagonist in the whole Souls franchise, but they put him halfway through the game and you can easily assume he’s just another regular boss. He’s done more direct damage than any Souls antagonist, arguably even Gwyn. By far their best character imo. Let’s also not forget that while Seathe created Priscilla, he likely did it through rape. So while she’s a good entity, he doesn’t necessarily get points for this one as a good deed.

[@gundamdetractor337]

Patches, because he's bald.

[@akirahill8091]

Real

[@anon3631]

It's not our fault bro, damn

[@gundamdetractor337]

@@anon3631 i never accused you of anything. feeling guilty already? speaks volumes.

[@jacoboddie5364]

Patches is a traitor primarch

[@Battleguild]

Seath's Phylactery (Primordial Crystal) wasn't "out in the open". It was guarded with: The Lordvessel Seal Numerous Monstrosities Seath himself guarding a vital chokepoint ( Where the Chosen Undead canonically dies once mind you.) A bonfire-locked Prison Maze-like Archives guarded by Channelers Sequestered at the deepest section of the Crystal Cave with invisible pathways. That can hardly be considered "out in the open".

[@vinayakshende1828]

All that undone by one guard forgetting the key was in his pocket lmao

[@filipporapetti9354]

​@@vinayakshende1828"You had ONE job"

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

If you found it, it's out in the open.

[@InitialsDJKC]

You know it’s bad when you’re starting with Smough

[@dominickl48]

Lautrec isn’t purely evil. It is an act of mercy killing the firekeeper. She is indoctrinated and loves her chains. She is tortured and used as a tool. That being said. She would never accept it on her own accord. It’s all she knows. Even if from a place a benevolence, it is wrong to murder someone. But is the only way she would find peace.

[@luckyluke31813]

I think patches just can’t resist his intrusive thoughts

[@Jakexx00]

Talks abt Gwyn without talking abt his firstborn son the nameless king lmao

[@caleb1433]

Just wanted to point out in the cutscene where you kill "ornstein" you can see his hand twitching before smough kills him, its implied smough could tell he was still alive and struck him despite being his partner

[@LegendaryBrah]

I’ve come once more to play the devil’s advocate. Pontiff Sulyvahn is easily the most misunderstood character in the franchise, that’s not to say he’s good. Just misunderstood. Pontiff Sulyvahn left the painting of Ariendel and this painting was in need of fire. It is outright stated that Sulyvahn left the painting because he was in a place of loss and he has never experienced loss. However there’s nothing saying he didn’t care, in fact you find one of his sorceries at his supposed mother. One of the first things Sulyvahn found once in the outside world was the Profaned Flame. This could be interfered that Sulyvahn was searching for flame to burn the painting, as was tradition. He may have not belonged but it was his home, and perhaps he trying to make things right for the inhabitants. But the Profaned Flame corrupts all, it was not a simple “burning ambition” that grew within him; it was the power of the abyss corrupting his mind. (To say it only have him ambition is not a good take because it corrupted all the citizens). Immediately after being corrupted; he sook out the holy kingdom of Anor Londo and slowly but surely did everything and anything to stop the linking of fire by: 1) Rising through the ranks of the Darkmoon knights 2) Poisoning Gwyndolin (current figurehead of the linking of the fire) 3) Trapping Yorshka (captain of the Darkmoon knights) 4) Turning notable holy knights into mindless beasts 5) enslaving all First Flame advocates and twisting them into abysmal creatures 6) taking control of the holy city 7) self proclaiming himself as Pontiff 8) allying with the one lord of cinder that is against the linking of the fire 9) feeding the figurehead god to the lord of cinder All to end the first flame because the abyss within him controlled him to do so

[@LegendaryBrah]

I have a bit more but you get the point

[@bull3t209]

Patches is bad, but that’s why I love him so much. He’s literally a cartoon level bad guy who tries to kill you at every turn in every game. Better yet he pretends like he’s your friend after the fact 🤣

[@Nathan-if3ss]

Excellent vid but I’d argue that smough should at least be in the bad category. Despite killing mostly criminals, he was still a cannibal and sadist. You can hear him laughing throughout the boss fight and he laughs when he crushes orenstein too

[@cyanspartan1757]

Speaking of Smough, I noticed that the super version of Ornstein that you get from killing Smough first also laughs like Smough does in his first and second phases. Weird, but it makes sense.

[@Jsteiner1974]

Nashandra was pretty evil, but she was just a shard of MANUS. Manus has to be the most 'evil', IMHO.

[@klapacjuszanimomon8501]

I just don't understand putting Patches in a bad tier especially after his whole arc in ds3 that proves that there is more to this character then just being a dick. I think punishing humans greed is his actual purpose that his extremely devoted to. and I think that purpose was what kept him alive and not hollowed for supposedly hundreds of years. It makes a lot of sense since we know that Darkness and humanity is affected and corrupted by evil emotions. Like in case of Manus it was suffering, hateret and rage, creating the abyss and in case of Aldrich it was, greed, gluttony, hunger for power that ended up with creation of other Branch of Dark, called the Deep. Both are corrupted and evil version of darkness and probably the things that Gwyn's was afraid of and accidentally caused by restraining humans nature. I think the other reason why i would consider Patches moraly grey is because of his friendship with Greirat who's arguably one of the best characters in terms of morality in this world, together with Solarie and Anion knights of Catarina that we got to know. And Patches risked his life to help him when he could then fairly warned him that he won't be able to do the same in a lothric castle And Patches story in ringed city actually is a another proof for his purpose. At the end of times even Unbreakable finally goes hollow BECAUSE HE FORGETS HIS goal. Then when he's second man to us to break the undead curse in the whole history of DS. His goal once again drifts through his mind. That is the proof that it is not a simple excuse to be a dick. He kicks us this one last time of the tower stairs into the place we actually wanted to go and helps us fight the boss and Express his gratitude for our help. It is truly buffering to me of how underrated NPC he is in these games. He's literally my favorite and literally one of the most important for understanding the lore. I won't say his good because his methods are bad And in this case, the ends do not justify the means. But putting him after anyone that was before him is a major misunderstanding. Nashandra is literally soulless monster, Gwyn was a prideful tyrant that made an entire race lifes miserable. We can say that it's the same case with patches, with end&means, but the difference is that Patches ends had actually good consequences and Gwyn thought he's doing smth good but it turned out to be one of the greatest sins ageinst free will of humanity and on the other end patches helps us regain this freedom. Frida is a another Tyrant making people's lives miserable. And Smough is a cannibalistic sadist... what there's more to say? Except that I love this video and love to talk about this shit xD 17:10 "Devoured Gwyndolyn's ass" Would.... What?.. 🗿

[@geraltofbolivia9428]

Imagine not being able to grow hair anywhere on your body and then killing off the entirety of the human race just because you are jealous. That is pure evil.

[@woahhok4298]

Hair that makes you immortal

[@geraltofbolivia9428]

@ almost immortal

[@Izalith1798]

If you're wonder how deceptive Sullyvahn is: he literally imitating Darkmoon spell with sheer intellegence and fool everyone with it. So basically he is a Sorcerer (which so many point out if intellegence users considered as heretics by Way of White) in a Cleric-based or Templar-Like Knighthood. 😂

[@themaniae4803]

Sullyvan has a bit of a sad backstory, though only the "Boy born into total filth and became a total bastard" kind of thing. Also, as he took the Dancer as his personal warrior/dancer, possibly he donated Rosaria to Aldritch before his link, and.... well, we know what Aldritch did to Rosaria. There is also the theory, but just a theory, that Aldritch eated his own children from the forced intercourse with Rosaria. Miyazaki, calm down please. P.s: Taking Japanese translation, the Depths in Ds3 is the most horrible thing imaginable. We can see them in the Cathedral, rappresented by horrible insects (while normal Dark is rappresented by good insects for Japan culture, like angels looking like cicadas) and also in the Dlc, the little strange human-creature during the first part of Ringed City, those who create giants Humanity. That is the future of humanity if Aldritch wins, and his plan is make it happen, let the Fire fade and rule over a world of abominations, corruption, stagnation and depravation. Soooo, i think he's even worse than Sullyvan.

[@Erick-ue6fh]

14:02 cant call anyone in the dark or the abyss evil. They are all humans or trying to right the wrong that was done to humans who are the oppressed. Anybody on the side of the first flame or rekindling the flame is evil including the player character until dark souls 3 where the canon ending SHOULD be to let the flame fade.

[@JoseViktor4099]

Damn, I love villains overall, and Pontiff Sulyvanh is definetly one of my favorites DS3 characters. Even if they are far more simple, I love the characters who are evil with no strong motivation or sad backstory.

[@beast33G]

Sulyvahn has probably one of the most simple and understandable motivations, though. He just wants power and to do whatever he wants.

[@namegeneratorsystem5553]

he was originally going to be the final boss which i kinda wish they went through with, but soul of cinder is literally the only other thing that could be better than him as a finale

[@samuelnicholson7905]

@@namegeneratorsystem5553 source that he was original going to be the final boss?

[@mess5703]

@@samuelnicholson7905the menu theme was supposed to be his final boss theme

[@ilclemy2239]

leonhardt actually is a "good" man. we can see that aldritch did HORRIBLE things to rosaria, her body was basically sfigured by the abuse of aldritch and leonhardt knew. so he kills rosaria to have her soul in an attempt to end her pain

[@rccastro0711]

I think that a “Good” tier should exist, and I would put: Siegward, Yhorm, Solaire, Gael, and other character that in the end, they did almost nothing bad or just for themselves

[@woahhok4298]

Gael’s story is so sad because if you think about it he literally sacrificed himself

[@Jasiuuu]

Patches is good ol boy, just hates greed

[@Illusivem8ne]

1. Nashandra didn’t warn Vendrick of the giants. She baited Vendrick to began a war with the giants. 2. 13:37 Manus’ pendant did not belong to a deceased wife. Could’ve belonged to a sister, mother, father, etc. 3. Manus didn’t deliberately want to kill the people of Oolacile. The Humanity that went wild turned into the Abyss, which then turned the people into monsters or devoured them. Think of it as collateral damage. In all, Manus is more of a victim than a ‘bad guy’. 4. 15:58 Seath did not create Priscilla. It’s hinted in game that he is the father of her. Yorksha STATES IN GAME that her father is Gywn and her brother is Gywndolin. Even if this video is for fun, this video has many misleading information

[@-HellsSarcasticComedian-]

😆And the P Diddy jokes enter the soulsborne vid universe lol 😆 Great vid! I heard a rumor that Pontiff was supposed to be the original final boss of the story playthrough. I'm glad he wasn't though. I can only imagine the Xtra phases they would have added to him.

[@Alex501X]

That’s why Sulyvhan was originally planned as the endboss for ds3 but they cut it

[@mohgceoofblood8235]

Callin' Gwyn Morally Grey is crazy 💀 guy literally has forsaken humanity for its entire life cycle cause he was Jelly of them (humans being the successor of his age) I would place Aldrich and Pontiff better than any god cause they were simply getting back at them (revenge) Eliminating Gwyndolin and Yorshka seemed logical because they actively represent their father's will

[@JimnyThePython]

I came to comment the thing about Gwyn as well, bro hated the idea of humans having their time so much that he fucked the entire world

[@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub]

Gwyn wasn’t even kind to his own kin either. Have you read the ish he did to his children?

[@namegeneratorsystem5553]

​@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub for those who dont know, he force feminized gwyndolin, sold off fillanore to the pygmies, exiled his eldest son (nameless king), and gave gwynevere to seath (i think) someone might have to correct me on that one

[@NoLifeKing_0]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@namegeneratorsystem5553 1. There’s no indication that he ‘force-feminised Gwyndolin’ let alone proof. All we know is he raised him as a daughter which could just mean he let him play with dolls and wear dresses for all we know. Most importantly, Gwyndolin seems content with it. 2. What do you mean by ‘sold off fillianore’? He didn’t ‘sell’ her, he sent her to the ringed city to be revered and serve as its guardian. The details again are scarce so you can’t really judge whether Fillianore wanted her position and therefore you can’t judge Gwyn on it. 3. It’s suggested that the first born allied with the dragons after Gwyn linked the first flame, meaning it was his siblings and the other gods that exiled him. But even if Gwyn himself DID exile him… yeah? He literally allied with his greatest enemy, what would you have wanted him to do? 4. Okay, what? Yeah sure this is a theory but there’s hardly any indication that Gwynevere and Seath even were ‘together’ let alone that Gwyn FORCED them to be together. You’re judging his character based on theorisation?

[@NoLifeKing_0]

So fighting for your own race and power is evil? I genuinely don’t get why people expect Gwyn to just give up and give his power to the humans, who are often shown in dark souls to be just as morally grey in nature as gwyn himself, if not worse.

[@collinmichaelkahn3918]

Liked and subscribed for calling the Pontiff the Diddy of the Soulsverse. GENIUS! Haha.

[@Dan-jp7oc]

Lautrec is NOT evil, my boy was killing fire keepers to prevent undead from linking the fire

[@Ace4573]

Let's not forget what Sesth did to Havel lol

[@Redsparrowcomics]

Gwyn is the equivalent of Tywin Lannister from Game of Thrones. His children are chess pieces to be moved, he rewards his allies for the crimes they commit in his service but condemns the similar acts of those that oppose him, and he would rather die with a noble name than live in a world where they don’t praise his strength. Does that make him evil? I think so, because he never does anything for a greater good, only for the good of his name, which I’d say makes him pretty evil; that applies to Tywin and Gwyn. Their names even rhyme! EVIL!

[@serges.a.s1841]

Something like "I'll still talk about Morally Grey characters because it's interesting" First Morally Grey character : Big guy who laughs while smashing people with a comically large Hammer before eating their remains

[@lukachkhaidze1156]

I mean I don't think patches is truly evil and is just as asshole. Yes he "pushes you to death" on multiple occasions such as in ds1 in the giants graveyard but he throws you down so you can get the lantern, ds3 he throws you down in the ringed city dlc so you can move ahead and not get stuck yes it might seem on the surface what he does is just evil but I just think in reality he wants to help the player but has to keep up the persona so he uses an elaborate way to do it

[@fearlesslister5669]

Great video very insightful

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Gotta agree with Gwyn placement here, he may have been an evil oppressor to some, but he was a genuine hero to others and, while his intentions may have been self motivated and greedy/prideful in part, they were an equal measure of altruistic and selfless to try to preserve his people and the world that he thought was best even at the cost of his own life

[@peterwallace3799]

Patches is actually a good guy and is secretly helping the player throughout the games

[@ghostyuki-kfpinquisitor1038]

Royal Sorcerer Navlaan is another one that comes to mind, particularly the assassin side of him

[@holybilly3066]

Sullyvahn seemed more like an a-hole with power and intelligence than something truly evil. There's a theory running around that he was actually trying to jumpstart an age beneficial to humanity and very anti-royal family (Gwyn and his kids) and using Aldritch to do it and that he was going after Lothric and Lorian for being complacent

[@CaraDePito]

Patches is truly morally grey and gwyn is bad. Switch those and this is a good video.

[@BeigeShell]

"Hes basically the p diddy of dark souls" is wild😂

[@SamaelMorningstar-bx4ng]

Morality for a few of these is up for discussion and subjective as perspective shifts from person to person.

[@NoLifeKing_0]

Morality is always subjective

[@thetower8553]

@@NoLifeKing_0 Pretty sure it's not

[@NoLifeKing_0]

@@thetower8553 prove it

[@revolversnake126]

@@thetower8553 Morality is literally something Humans made up, how is it not subjective?

[@karteltheinterrex4335]

Placing Gwyn on the grey tier is just laughable. He did not a single "good" thing that wasn't driven by greed, ambition or cold calculation

[@shughan666]

Yeah, Gwyn needed to be in the Evil category. He literally screwed over the entire world out of fear and a need for control.

[@Hawntbawt]

Bummed you didn’t cover patches soft spot for greirat. I’m kinda surprised he’s higher than some of those below him, surprised smough is ranked least evil too.

[@michellemarrs8080]

I always had a lovexhate thing Leonard. I think in some ways he felt very Unworthy for his dedication for Rosaria . When you start becoming more dedicated then he was for her blessings. Another theory is he was starting to feel some unresolved guilt for somethings never resolved for all those pale tongues he gave. Thus feeling something deep inside he couldn't quite comprehend. In resulting of killing Rosaria either out of spite or by accident. The other theory behind being called a 'Beast' could be because of making the grave mistake of telling you about her. He probably had not really planned on running into you when you arrive at the firelink shrine

[@Guy-iv2hw]

How is Sullyvan lower than Gwyn? Gwyn is literally Sullyvan buy on a much larger scale. Gwyn doesn't have a tragic backstory, the only tragic element of his story is that he was so power hungry, that he would rather sacrifice himself, so that his family will never lose power over people. He was also extremaly racist towards people.

[@kassahgriffith4156]

He explained that Gwyn did good thing such as the creation of Anor Londo which looked like a prosperous city. Sulhivan only oppressed it's people because of his hunger for power. Basically Gwyn did what he did because he thought it was for the best (again that's what he thought not necesseraly what was the best) and may have done some good things. Sulhivan only did what he did to gain more power and have done nothing but oppressing his ennemies and people since hé gain this power.

[@dannyg4835]

​@@kassahgriffith4156 Best for his people (gods) gwyn is a classic example of a evil zeus He was responsible for the fking dark sign my guy

[@kassahgriffith4156]

@@dannyg4835 Well that's the whole concept of the video, yes Gwyn action had more consequences than Sulhivan's but Gwyn actually had a sort of ambition other than "I just want more power" which Sulhivan had not si that's why I personnaly consider Sulhivan more like a evil person than Gwyn (I'm not saying that Gwyn is a good Guy though)

[@josezuniga4814]

The statue of Smough at Anor Londo always bothered me, like why would Gwyn make a statue of him? He doesn't even respect him

[@mbattalionenjoyer5162]

It’s possible that the statue of Smough was built after Gwyn left Anor Londo to kindle the First Flame.

[@JAYbePRINCE]

It's even more likely that the one who ordered the making of the statue was gwindolin as smough is the only knight left at anor londo gwindolin would want to make sure he doesn't leave and still defends the kingdom.

[@philmasecar8542]

Calling Manus a "morally grey" character is a hard for me. The way you find Oolacile, there's something that happened to her during that fight or during the possession, but something happened to her,

[@SevinPounds]

Lautrec its bad if you dig deeper he realizes the chosen undead is a lie

[@dohminkonoha3200]

But what if evil villain to someone is good hero to someone same time? That’s why world is tragedy. True Hero sacrifices himself and someone for world. Sometimes, someone is precious one for others.

[@mancodelas6051]

I think what Seath did to the dragons is justiifiablr, I mean the guy was made an outcast by his own kind just because he was "defective", you can see why he grew anger, rage and "envy" for what the dragons had, they always put him down for what he lacked, but.... What Seath does during the gwyn era is just straight up evil and mad, the guy goes insane and becomes a mad scientist dragon Yes Sulyvhan is easily number 1 or really on pair with aldrich, before I opened the video I already knew these two would be top 2 as all Dark Souls fans know too, what I find interesting is that in a way is that Gwyn and Sulyvhan are on pair with eachother, the diference between the two is that Sulyvhan does the dirty job, which I don't know whats worse, doing bad just because or watching it, being aware and not doing anything, the dude did the worse on humanity, betrayed them, gave his daughter as a "gift" but guess what, if she wakes up the world ends, hes a coward, everything that happens in dark souls is because a p*ssy guy refuses to acept that hes comand will end, and he's a hypocrit, banishing his oldest son and erasing him from history because he sided with the dragons only for gwyn to side with one much before his son

[@bloodveil556]

Lautrec isn’t necessarily evil, he’s from carim, which is pretty bent on ending the age of fire and letting the natural cycle take place, so it would make sense that he tries to stop the age of fire by killing the fire keeper and putting the player to a stop before they can link the fire. I think looking at him as an inherently bad guy is wrong, he’s from an entire different culture that wants to end the age of fire, something that most people agree is actually pretty awful because of the undead curse. He’s really annoying and there’s definitely good reason to dislike his character, but to say he’s straight up bad is kinda dishonest to what he’s trying to accomplish. Definitely one of my favorite npcs when you look at things from a different perspective.

[@Cl0WNSOULZ]

The dark souls fandom page also states, that aldrich abused rosaria and then devoured his own children. Truly a massive pos

[@historicflame972]

There are implications, but it's a huge stretch

[@TrainHardnett]

also murdered fluffy tail Priscilla canonically.

[@historicflame972]

@@TrainHardnett No, he was high and saw her in his dreams

[@lucasmonteiro600]

Its about Marika vs Pontiff in the end.

[@deathandrebirth-y8x]

marika was always a puppet.

[@MFT1799]

DS2 and DS3 have thrones. The Throne is the key to binding the First Flame. Both Nashandra and Yuria guide us towards the coming of the Dark Age. And for this a "marriage" is required. Yuria tells us to find a suitable partner, marry her, and take her Dark Sigil. Just like Vendrick's marriage to Nashandra. I think Nashandra wanted Vendrick to be the Dark Lord. Think about it; A King who defeated the Four Great Ones who once terrorized the land, and who, on his own, without any powerful allies at his side (cough cough, I'm looking at you, Gwyn), subjugated the mighty Giants and took their power. A King who does not believe in miracles and Gods and sees their power as "weak". A King who relied on simple warriors who relied only on their own raw strength in battles. A King whose remorse for his past sins we must show in his face, if only to break his resolve. Vendrick refused to light the First Flame. Because he realized that this was the lie of the Gods. This wouldn't cure the curse. But he didn't want the Dark Age either, because we don't know what the Dark Age will bring. Vendrick only wanted a third way to cure the curse. Who else do you think could be such a good Dark Lord candidate? Vendrick is, in a sense, the Dark Lord that Gwyn fears will emerge from among humans one day. A man who defeated the lords of his time, defeated the giants, and became able to do whatever he wanted with the First Flame. I think Nashandra wants Vendrick to be the Dark Lord. He didn't want her to try to get rid of the Hollows, but to accept them as her own people. Because "A true Ruler carries the weight of their souls." However, Vendrick became depressed and became a recluse. This must have made Nashandra very angry and disappointed. Yes, she only used Vendrick for power and didn't love him. But I think he at least respects her as his wife. She wanted her husband to become the Dark Lord, but he did not want this and left home. I'd like to think Nashandra might have had at least a slight "crush" on Vendrick. Nashandra was a bad woman who did bad things, but I assume she did it all for the Hollows. Thematically, there are similarities with DS3 Yuria. Yuria wants from Ashen One what Nashandra wants from Vendrick. To Nashandra Vendrick, he was “less King than you could imagine.” he says. This is clearly an expression of disappointment. Because Vendrick did not accept that the Hollows were his people and tried to get rid of them. From Nashandra's perspective, this could be interpreted as Vendrick turning his back on his people. Nashandra was evil, but I don't think she was evil. I don't think, at least, that he didn't dislike Vendrick at all. He saw her as a vessel, yes, but he also valued her enough to be disappointed. Nashandra's ultimate goal, the Dark Age, is the age of humanity. If Nashandra was successful, could we call her evil? I don't know, I know I'm trying too hard, but I think at least Nashandra should be "reasonable bad" instead of pure evil.

[@robotanden4320]

Imma be real with you... Imo, the most evil character is the "player character". (It especially feels REALLY evil killing sif.) Oh yeah, Pontiff as well... But I'm sure he had his reasons :)

[@fsjof]

It depends if you're a murderhobo or not. Sif attacks you even though you freed his master, completed their mission and literally saved his ass back in Oolacile so screw that dog.

[@NoLifeKing_0]

Depends on what game you’re talking about. In DS3 for example you’re only doing your duty as Ash, would it be better to just let the world stagnate?

[@kenzieuchiha1191]

Killing Sif is unavoidable though, she won't just let you through or give you the ring of Artorias without a fight. She is doing it to protect you technically but there's no peaceful solution.

[@LarryGaming2009]

Which souls character IS PACKIN A HORSE CO-?

[@_2fcd_978]

...I think he already made that video.

[@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub]

From what I seen it’s midir 🤤

[@RoshDroz]

Pontif sullyvahn definitely stocked up on baby oil

[@ottonoz]

I have played all souls games and in my opinion Marika is the most evil character... Even though her background is certainly tragic, her devious actions are down right terrifying

[@witherskeleton3919]

Since dark souls series is kinda inspired by manga berserk i want to think of pontiff as griffith of ds universe

[@HMMRSTN1]

My boy Lautrec, always so misunderstood, belongs to the grey area. (Look Hawshank's analysis of him to see what I mean.)

[@psychic-friend-toy-freddy]

I wonder if you will do another one considering there are characters that you could mention, those being Soul of cinder Midir Nameless king Yhorm And Slave knight Gael

[@שחרפרסי-כ4ז]

Not a single one of them is caming near being considered evil

[@psychic-friend-toy-freddy]

@שחרפרסי-כ4ז so would they be morally grey

[@שחרפרסי-כ4ז]

@psychic-friend-toy-freddy yhorm and slave knight gael are more on the heroic very good side nameless king is a war hero but there isn't specific actions that he did that you can consider good or evil midir was jast doing is job thet he was raised for until he get corrupt by the abyss and soul of cinder is more like the flame itself it doesn't have a morality

[@Dracopyreofchaos]

I’m not even gonna watch this all the way through yet, but it’s the Pope of Nope.

[@wiseferret4745]

Pontiff Sullivan is the most absurdly evil character since Griffith and that's the way it should be.

[@Nimsan]

Gwyn in morally grey is pretty hilarious

[@deathandrebirth-y8x]

agreed. like did he play the same game? old boy was afraid of the dark.

[@kingcobra2858]

Sulyvahn is basically Popediddy.

[@hhowdy]

Woah woah Gwyn morally grey???

[@heirofheart766]

patches can become a vendor in all the soulsgames he is in

[@filiussolis5368]

I'd put Aldrich in first place. I think he was inspired by Gilles de Rais former Joan of Arc's companion-in-arms. He was a psycho who did horrible things to children. If you do Anri's questline, you learn that Aldrich also had a taste for children.

[@BenteinBjerke]

What about McLloyd? He's one of the most evil characters I know. Undead hunts? Might be the guy who exiled Gwyn's Firstborn. Way of White discovered how Gwyn summoned lightning and made a whole religion around it, and in his arrogance makes different mediums to cast miracles (they're different throughout the Souls series) probably to not make us too strong. And probably made that religion to gain political power. Actually, Lloyd is probably behind most bad things that is painted onto Gwyn. If so he deserves the number 1 spot on this list. Well, next to maybe Seath, Sulyvahn, and Aldrich, which all are fairly excusable in contrast to the feats of McLloyd. Seath, all he ever really knew was the Archdragons, and he was the odd one out in such a power based culture of immortals. Sulyvahn was an inquisitive scholar but naive, and wanted to see more than his safe but enclosed small world, and in his evident solitude as a sorcerer he made up ideas when he saw the Profaned Flame...it's little wonder he went bad, such is the way of life. Aldrich just so happened to get a taste for human flesh. That's a f*ed up thing to like, but it's not his fault he suddenly got a passion for it. Whatever led him to reason that it's good would've come from how the world was shown to him, and how he learned to view the world after that. Those events are happenstance, so at most they're only partially evil. After all, actions aren't the only things that defines one's morality. And McLloyd has no redeeming qualities. Maybe even going so far as to claim he's Gwyn's uncle because Gwyn got popular. He's the worst of the worst.

[@FaizaMughal-m4p]

Hey... I know that lullaby

[@houyeet]

Don’t forget what Pontiff did to the dancer

[@שחרפרסי-כ4ז]

I think that you should have added the old iron king evil

[@shidanslair]

"Most Evil" Quelaag in the thumbnail??? 🤨

[@deathandrebirth-y8x]

she is the most bad hehe

[@Central739]

i think gwyn is a good person that lived long enough to become a villain. also i totally do not blame him for keeping humanity set to a certain standard. humans suck- irl and in every fantasy series as a race. humans always get together and fuck something up.

[@boblionia]

The player character if they decide to kindle the fire is the most evil entity Fight me on this

[@Gods_choosen_warrior]

It's the ashen one, he's pure evil! 😨

[@valentinvas6454]

Sullyvahn and Dungeater IMO. Dungeater would be on top if he was as powerful as the top dogs.

[@rmartinez1993]

There really REALLY isn't anything redeemable about petrus, I really like that little detail when you meet him tho He asks you to show you his faith, but you have to PAY him money for it, no faith stat requirements Unlike logan, who will reject you if you're not capable :( Petrus really is such evil slime imo lol

[@dillonqaphsiel7977]

Manus is down right good

[@federicoalderete6971]

Patches saves greirat, so idk about evil but i agree morally corrupt

[@rakkounen]

Also Patches save our boi Greyrat

[@Slimetendo_Hub]

Pontiff Sullyvahn is the literal worst character, he destroyed a world he had almost no stake in just because, unlike us who destroys the world, because it was already fucked so why not start over and give the new people a go. Some like to say that dark souls 1 and 3 are a loop, but I like to pretend that Elden Ring is the first flame switching it up.

[@danielbarnett3672]

Smough is so evil that he ranked in two places xddd

[@madhavmandava]

Interesting points...but I agree about Seath being an evil bastard...betray his mind because he lacked what his kin had....and experiment on defenseless maidens....jerk

[@nieksuaven3408]

Justice for Gwyndolin

[@kyledabearsfan]

Yeah, Sullyvahn is pretty hard to beat 😂

[@MCCiabattaGrande]

Where is Yurt?