Which is Better Kivy Or Tkinter? - Python Kivy GUI Tutorial #42

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[@saldasmanager641]

please how to set google drive api in place linode ore S3 in django project?

[@paulcurious2324]

Do kivy vs Beeware

[@Codemycom]

@bunny No idea what you're talking about. I do make apps and provide courses.

[@techdiyer5290]

Im goig to ask if you made a video talking about/ showing how and why you might use Tkinter, and Kivy, and which is better for different purposes, maybe thats the answer people who keep asking .... because i think that would tell me what else I need to know :)

[@jufenico]

I agree with Tech diyer

[@catsandmusic4635]

Your tkinter tutorials have made my life about 20x easier during the past 2 weeks or so.

[@Codemycom]

Happy to hear it!

[@peterbreis5407]

It immediately occurred to me that Tkinter and Kivy are different, that concept was not hard.. The question is how, and to show examples of how? You never got to that.

[@HandcartRule46]

I was waiting for that as well.

[@Yelonek1986]

Yup, wasted 7 minutes. I gave thumbs up to all the other videos, but this one gets thumbs down. Sorry.

[@victordvickie]

Kivy is modern but need to mature more , otherhand tkinter is matured but need work for modernish look

[@Codemycom]

Good point

[@fadhilinjagi1090]

@Patrice FERLET Electron is very heavy (coz of the packaged Chromium and Node Js). And it's limited to JavaScript APIs. With kivy or Tkinter you can do a lot more

[@fadhilinjagi1090]

@Patrice FERLET Good point. In terms of what I meant by "more", I was thinking of Machine Learning, access to local files, NumPy, Pandas etc. Of course graphics is way easier to make with web technologies. I guess I have had a very bad experience with Electron (I've developed a couple of Electron apps), so I may be biased.

[@the_flash_light]

I like your Tkinter tutorial, they made me love building apps and motivated me to improve my coding skills! Thank you!

[@Codemycom]

Great to hear!

[@TR7H]

While I wholeheartedly agree with what you said, the algorithm brought me here because I was trying to figure out which choice would be better for my current hobby project. Altough learning both would surely be fun, in a world with literally endless supply of interesting things to learn, the answer ”learn them all” is rather unhelpfull and has now let me so annoyed that I’m writing a youtube comment that no one else will ever read just to went out the fact that I wastes 10 minutes waiting to learn which of the tools discusses is the screwdriver.

[@muhammadsohail8709]

Without knowing the answers to such interesting questions one cannot be sane. After all Martin Fowler once said "A fool with a tool is still a fool". I am happy that people are asking such a valid and interesting questions, and you answer it. I hope in the future you will draw a kind of line between such overlapping technologies and frameworks. Love you.

[@muhammadsohail8709]

I disagree with the statement that "both GUI are completely different". They have some common applications areas, and the question is valid in that Context. Which one is better if you are developing Desktop Applications.

[@Codemycom]

No

[@zippy-boy8605]

No?

[@DArK-xj8lr]

No

[@jacobmenture8657]

This is absolutely a valid question. It’s a wish washy answer that states obvious points irrelevant to the question. I’ve liked every single one of your videos, but this one was painful.

[@shaneofgames3825]

Rushed content, should be open to criticism and answer better then ‘no’

[@atw3ll137]

Once again I search for something and find myself with this amazing channel as my top result. Keep up the good work man!

[@Codemycom]

Ha, glad you're enjoying it!

[@amalprasad7831]

Now that was somethign good to know.............please never stop doin gui tutorials...

[@Codemycom]

I don't plan on stopping :-)

[@johnnanong8756]

This is so true... I got a new project to create a toolkit. This toolkit may be used on different OS (Windows Desktop, Mac, RaspPi). Now... they ask me to create a simulator that will use this toolkit as a Test tool. I had been using TKinter, but decided to use Kivy. Kivy because I wanted to have the simulator be deployable on various OS (and you'll never know it might be deployed on Android). This way, I could use the simulator to also test if the toolkit works fine on given OS, so that's really a big plus, thus I chose Kivy. I'm new with Kivy, and just started your Kivy playlist. :) Nice vids by the way.. :)

[@Codemycom]

Thanks :-)

[@kushankurdas3128]

I totally agree, Coders always learn something new!!😁

[@Codemycom]

For sure!

[@moyeajinomisanghan8160]

I like the way this man explains things

[@Codemycom]

Thanks!

[@georgethornburg9259]

i was really hoping for a not so much a comparison, but what each program can do. I'm starting a project and wanted to know which "screw driver" or "saw" too use to accomplish my goals.

[@Codemycom]

That quite a large topic

[@ferasfm]

I often enjoy watching you clearly

[@Codemycom]

Thanks!

[@LawalHussein]

Thanks for this talk John,am always your recommending your tutorials to my fellow mates

[@laurentreynaud4404]

Are you new to the GUI? -> tkinter with John Elder: 170 courses currently kivy with John Elder: 41 courses currently Start with tkinter because programming with tkinter is easier than kivy (even if for kivy there is kivymd which facilitates the installation of widgets). Having gone through the 169 courses (I have not yet seen the last course), I created, among other things, an application with tkinter of more than 1000 lines (with object oriented programming). Then get started on Kivy and PyQt5: curiosity is not a bad thing 😉

[@Codemycom]

yep!

[@noname4011]

You are really amazing and everything you said is absolutely right, thank you for your support and your useful videos 💖✨

[@Codemycom]

welcome!

[@ahmedk.n8126]

Love the quality of the video and really appreciate the effort in making these videos

[@Codemycom]

Glad you like them!

[@dohnot]

Dear John, what a great video. Your conclusion is so awesome and eyes opening. That's the reason why I'm personally like your framework-based every weekly playlists. I can simply see how to use a framework works, what I can do with it and can compare them to my projects. Like you said, the project gives you what tool you have to use, not vis versa. Please keep up with your good work. Your an awesome teacher.

[@Codemycom]

Wow, thank you!

[@pay_pass]

Thanks for your job! The count of views will increase over time. Please don't stop!

[@Codemycom]

Thanks for watching!

[@gripeka6466]

I like your Tkinter tutorial. I am a python learner and I am new to python UI libraries. Your tutorials are very helpful to gain that knowledge. I am also KZbinr, I like to understand completely this and create my own tutorial. Thank you.

[@Codemycom]

Glad you enjoy them.

[@navoditsachdeva4986]

Thank you Sir for this video. You are great tutor, I covered up almost all tkinter tutorial from your series.

[@Codemycom]

Thanks!

[@mbk0mbk]

So what type of projects we can build with them ? What genres of projects they are designed for ? The only thing to choose is which framework is having limitations for the project. It would be helpful to know what all things to consider for selecting framework .

[@Codemycom]

You can build anything with anything. Some are better for somethings than others...for instance you wouldn't build android apps with tkinter etc.

[@jorgesoto7991]

I started learning Tkinter and is so good for me, is so good for simple interfaces and use the Serial lib.

[@denislavdochev3783]

I expected you to say that they are different but didn't expect you to demonstrate it in such a shocking way with the hand tools, haha

[@Codemycom]

lol yeah I'm something else lol

[@briancooper2737]

Your point is right on! I was just hoping you might explain a bit about the differences. What is that tool meant for? Still though you are correct in saying that you should learn everything you can.

[@kaneki_ken_07]

I had personally found Kivy to solve my problems of creating an app of my imagination but tkitber hasn't it doesn't mean tkinter's bad but I have found Kivy to be powerful than tkinter, can't tell about your choice

[@alicherifi9075]

I like the new setup, with that side lighting, keep going you're doing great job 👍

[@Codemycom]

Thanks, will do!

[@danielchettiar4393]

1:28 "You can take a screwdriver and kinda *KILL* *SOMEONE* "

[@Codemycom]

Ha!

[@johnhaas3191]

alright then, several times you reiterated that they are different tools with different uses cases. Can you explain for us Python noobs what the use case for either tool is? I think often people approach the question of what GUI should I learn first from the perspective of "I'm a python beginner who just discovered GUI's and I got a project idea in my head, I need to pick a GUI for it". How do we approach the use case question here?

[@Codemycom]

No, lol there are infinite use cases

[@muhammadsohail8709]

I think this question is beauty, answers to such kind of question makes different between Programmer and a good Programmer.

[@Codemycom]

yeah

[@swagatggautam6630]

So the point I want to ask is for what kind of projects should I learn Kivy and for what kind of project should I learn Tkinter? I didn't get the answer for that.

[@Codemycom]

Only you can answer that

[@immanuelburts4804]

wow, i didnt think about it in that way. Quite insightful, makes so much sense - we have to learn as much as we can. Thanks for that John :)

[@Codemycom]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@luciusrex]

i ask which is better to learn because I'm not a programmer (im a nurse) but I know basic programming and have other goals like creating gui overlays for a game for example.. the best way to me to get to my goal is to ask "which is better/faster to learn for my use case or should i be looking at another direction" kinda thing. helpful video nonetheless! thank you!

[@Anshu-bz9sk]

This video is underrated

[@Codemycom]

Thanks! Tell your friends!

[@learnwithnawf246]

Waiting for a long time......😇😇

[@Codemycom]

I guess the wait is over lol

[@learnwithnawf246]

😅😅

[@learnwithnawf246]

Thank you sir

[@idk____idk6530]

I'm 17 but still I learn every day New things in python because of you Master 🙇 I spent 10 hour's a day to learn python programming and Data science As better as I can In short ('Thanks'*1000)*20000 😊

[@idk____idk6530]

Still Waiting for pygame 🤟🏻😂🤣

[@Codemycom]

Keep it up!

[@fumano2679]

Your right. Kivy is made to kivy things and Tkinter is made to tkinter things.

[@Codemycom]

Yep

[@rationalthinker729]

You are helping a lot in building my project with tkinter!

[@Codemycom]

Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching!

[@naikganesh5677]

0:53 Video ends here. Save your time 😂 Just a joke, can't miss his single video. This guy provides such a great knowledge and that too free of cost. Hats off dude 🔥

[@briangreenberg153]

Glad you made this video. Just what I needed. I finished a project using Tkinter and decided to try Kivi. Found Kivi not really suited for it! But learning Kivi was worthwhile just to have in my repertoire.

[@Codemycom]

Happy to hear it!

[@afshin3k3]

The whole video was a filler; it was supposed to give some comparison between two libraries, but there was not even a sentence in the whole video mentioning anything these libraries can/cannot do

[@Codemycom]

Oh it was supposed to do that was it? And you know this because...? You are incorrect, the video was SUPPOSED to make you think differently about the premise of the question. Something you obviously missed completely. But thanks for complaining about it...

[@afshin3k3]

It didn't need 7 minutes of repetition. You could have just said that they are different tools and that it is good to learn as many tools as possible. Then, you could talk about the title you put there and say what are the applications of each of those tools. Right now, it is more of a clickbait. But thanks for replying to the comments. I hope to see better videos from you in the future.@@Codemycom

[@Codemycom]

@@afshin3k3 Obviously it did need repetition, because you missed the point completely.

[@nddmais191]

Thanks, that was my doubt.

[@MEHEDIHASAN-kx6ok]

Looking Smart

[@Codemycom]

Thanks!

[@muhammadsohail8709]

If you but this in other words, what are the use cases of the Framework When one framework should be preferred over the other. What are ideal conditions to use a framework. I mean if someone is Application Designer and he has to decided upfront, what framework i should choose. I think Question seems perfectly valid and the important.

[@Codemycom]

You miss the point

[@procode6881]

I love the background setup

[@Codemycom]

Thanks!

[@EltheMura]

This video is nice and all, but I would have appreciated if you let us know what are appropriate jobs for each of them, Kivy or Tkinter

[@oden840]

You clearly weren't paying attention. Take this scenario. You're applying for skilled employee within the field of construction. And your only skill is using a hammer. Meanwhile, in other resumés, people have over 10 to 20 skill within construction INCLUDING using a hammer. And there you are, at the very bottom of the candidate list and you're wondering why you're not hired. Ask yourself, why is that? Answer: It's because you're looking for a 1 skill job. Solution: Acquire all the skills you can.

[@ambiligopalakrishnan839]

So you're saying that we can use both for one project.

[@branmac9348]

Would Kivy be your choice for mobile app development? or Tkinter? I need to use Python in a project, but I am having trouble between the two. I am new to development. Love your videos btw. Great teaching style!

[@Codemycom]

Tkinter is not useable for mobile app development

[@branmac9348]

@@Codemycom Well then the choice is obvious! My apologies, I thought I had seen somewhere that Tkinter was cross-platform as well.

[@Codemycom]

@@branmac9348 It's cross-platform as in Windows, Mac, Linux, Raspberry Pi...not android

[@MEHEDIHASAN-kx6ok]

Love your expectation🥰🥰

[@Codemycom]

:-)

[@chiedoziechimeremeze585]

sir I downloaded kivymd but I couldn't get the kitchen sink folder

[@TrustonAilende]

I have been following your Tkinter tutorials and they have inspired me to create my first Tkinter app which is a Lottery Simulator. I hope sincerely that in your Kivy series you show viewers how to create a standalone Android application like you showed the viewers of the Tkinter tutorial how to create a standalone desktop application.

[@Codemycom]

Thanks for watching! Good luck with your app.

[@CMAZZONI]

Viewers, this is not a tutorial, is a rant and does not even go into detail about the differences. His other videos are far more informative, don't waste your time watching this one like I did.

[@bhanuburman3289]

I like your tutorials sir, love from India

[@Codemycom]

Thank you!

[@regulus8518]

yes you can say which one is better screwdriver

[@hiwab4140]

Nice video John, btw i perfer tkinter for desktop applications!

[@ThankYouESM]

Thank you sincerely for always being awesome. I was also wondering if you can start maybe a KZbin live stream in which everybody can help with creating maybe a new (mouse-pop-menu-based) framework in which will translate Tkinter scripts in Kivy script copies and vise-versa, which also could include PyGame later on. This framework should also prevent all syntax errors (eventually), making it far faster to properly code.

[@Codemycom]

Sorry, I don't do live streams and inventing a framework like that isn't really for me...

[@ThankYouESM]

@@Codemycom Understood, I had to ask because it seems like you'd be able with enough people to provide help... or know somebody else who can arrange that.

[@BiologyIsHot]

Any chance you'd do a follow-up on Kivy's recycleview widget? this is probably one of the more exciting things it offers and one of the weakest parts of the documentation

[@CrawDaddyT]

You’ve convinced me! I’ll learn them both… now… which one should I start with?

[@Codemycom]

Whichever one you want

[@wtfdoiputhere]

I never even knew those two were even comparable

[@Codemycom]

*shrugs*

[@michamiadowski5011]

Maybe it's a good idea to make some video about RecycleView in Kivy? I think, it's really important subject.

[@Codemycom]

We'll see

[@jhonshephard921]

but the real question is when to use which? Small multiplatform project that you can use experimental stuff with: Kivy, large project that works mostly on linux/unix and needs a well tested framework:Tkinter? you already know C++ and building for embedded: Qt?

[@Codemycom]

Good point

[@the_jeferson5117]

Thank you Master exelent Video

[@Codemycom]

Welcome!

[@username9258]

You are correct.thank you🙂

[@Codemycom]

sure thing

[@IsaacGallegos]

This is the most politician answer on this subject ever.

[@Codemycom]

No it's not. lol it's the most exact answer.

[@Fullrusher]

This is smart cause I ultimately wanna learn to code to learn to make simple games for fun , not for money ( if it comes that’s cool ) also I think coding is cool and I have a back ground cartooning and animation and think learning pygame would take that background to a whole new level , especially I’m not using my backgrounds or earning money, I’m just seeking to enjoy my self again for once

[@Codemycom]

Nice

[@amalprasad7831]

U are too awsome mahn!!!!

[@Codemycom]

Thanks!

[@panzoh]

Which thing is better: winter or summer, I think that could be the title of the video :/

[@edwinmalkil7727]

Great content 👍. I have a question, can kivy, Qt and Tkinter be used together in one project? Am new to python programming language.

[@Codemycom]

No

[@masker1128]

Well yes, but actually No... You can create multiple files and make them run individually, but, highly unrecommended.

[@enricogalli8736]

I guess the right complete question is if you have to build a desktop app which is better? . But I agree with you it completely depends an what you have to do

[@Codemycom]

A desktop app that does what? Would be the correct question :-p

[@kevincranfield2471]

Sooo which one is better again???

[@Codemycom]

Lol

[@biyrololo]

I'd prefer kivy, good video 😊

[@Codemycom]

:-p

[@kumarabhishek1196]

For a project I want to make a hotel website So, what should I use? Kivy or Tkinter or PyQT? Please reply fast 🙏

[@Codemycom]

None of them. They aren't website building tools.

[@AazamPossum]

Whole video he talks about everything else but the two things

[@Codemycom]

That's the point lol

[@EmmanuelOyediji-g3k]

I prefer Tkinter when it comes to GUI,and kivy when it comes to mobile app development

[@sebbyapudo7357]

Insightful

[@Codemycom]

Thanks

[@exinityy]

yo, how to make a drop down autocomplete input box, something like the search bar of google or youtube?

[@MEHEDIHASAN-kx6ok]

I have a question about kivymd please ans Question : In kivymd textfield how can i check if left-icon clicked

[@Codemycom]

no idea what you mean by left icon clicked

[@MEHEDIHASAN-kx6ok]

@@Codemycom In kivymd we can create textfield and in the text field we can add icon on the left and right side and now i want to do something if the icon clicked

[@MEHEDIHASAN-kx6ok]

And advance thanks for your response 😋😋😋😚😚😚

[@Codemycom]

@@MEHEDIHASAN-kx6ok Maybe I'll look at it in a video

[@MEHEDIHASAN-kx6ok]

@@Codemycom Thanks sir💗💗💗💗

[@G_a_n_d_u]

Please tell me can i use tkinter for mac and android???

[@G_a_n_d_u]

@@Codemycom thank you sir❣️

[@shamilniyas4069]

Nice background!! >w

[@Codemycom]

Thanks

[@viveksahal3038]

kivy=1 tkinter=1 result1=kivy result2=tkinter result3=0 if kivy>tkinter print(result1) if tkinter>kivy print(result2) else print(result3)

[@Codemycom]

Ha!

[@arunbeckham8384]

Hai John! Could you please make videos on main frames as well? And is main frames good now a days?

[@Codemycom]

Is there such a thing anymore?

[@juansanchez4331]

@@Codemycom Yes, they exists, I worked with mainframes for 35 years at IBM. Almost ALL the very big companies have one or more mainframes, they are the best tool to process very big amount of information; many of them uses Linux and python.

[@arunbeckham8384]

@Juan Sanchez thanks man. That's the thing I am talking about John!! I guess it's old technology but it would be usefull if you probably to some tutorials using your robotic brain. ;)

[@immipixediter210]

Good setup

[@Codemycom]

Thanks!

[@mangakasaide2166]

legend has it that there are some people still waiting for an answer

[@Codemycom]

then you didn't watch the video lol

[@lupunduyan381]

hi, please can you make a video about using sqlcipher with kivy

[@waleedbarozaiq9813]

Should I purchase license of kivy in case I want to sale my APP. ???

[@Codemycom]

I couldn't advise you either way on that, I'm not a lawyer

[@AndyHarvey1990]

Had and still having nothing but problems even installing kivy on my Mac, tried all different commands, going into preferences etc not happening tkinter I had no problem with

[@Codemycom]

it should be drop dead simple

[@sjjayaswal7621]

Good video

[@Codemycom]

Thanks

[@DavidPagnon]

Well that did not help me to determine which one is best suited to my (first) project 😅

[@gamestv4875]

They will rather hire a pro in one thing than a jack of all trades I think.

[@Codemycom]

lol

[@TOP123ization]

whats beter tkinter or pyqt?

[@Codemycom]

lol answered in the video

[@tkinterhub]

Sir Nice Background Super

[@Codemycom]

Thank you!

[@djamaltoe3774]

So how to convert teinter app to apk ? We must find this solution

[@Codemycom]

you don't

[@wingielee]

yes its understandable that its depends on the things you want to build but you need to be aware of the statistics and the trends. mobile apps are getting more global acceptance and the increase in numbers of users of mobile phone will definitely make kivy stand out within a short time and might even make tkinter go extinct. So thats my essence of its multi dynamism. Your tkinter videos are awesome. Am getting g a full grasp of it just watching those videos but my inner instinct warns me to start grabbing kivy as early as possible. Thank you for all your videos bro

[@Codemycom]

I think you miss the point. Trends are irrelevant if I want to build an app that others won't use.

[@seaninthecity6034]

Don’t @ me John tell me which is the best!!!!

[@davidburton79]

Would've been nice if you covered pros and cons instead of spending 6 mins saying dont use the wrong tool...

[@Codemycom]

I think you missed the point

[@gscheben123]

"They are both equally good": that's why he spent 90% of his bandwidth learning Tkinter and 10% learning Kivy. As opposed to anwsering the questions directly, you have to read between the lines... he is stating that you will get better ROI investing your time learning TKinter than Kivy. "Learn everything" is a very obtuse statement. Nobody has infinite bandwidth.

[@Codemycom]

what a strange and massively incorrect conclusion.

[@katmanduYT]

Kivy - modern, less functions Tkinter - more functions, less modern

[@Codemycom]

True

[@mukeshsharma-fh4gd]

Nice answer l agree

[@Codemycom]

Thanks!