Which Is Better? // WARNO vs WARGAME

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[@STKS1991]

WARNO is much better from a historical perspective. But a huge part of Wargame EE/ ALB / RD succeeding was the fun deck building, sometimes you want to get drunk and play a full arty deck in 10v10, or have a commonwealth deck filled with whatever you feel like. There needs to be some more arcadey type options in WARNO to make it a safe place for RD fans to move to. Prototype units were a big part of this.

[@egoalter1276]

What it needs is tighter combat. The compressed range, slowed down projectiles, x ray vision on all units, poor accuracy, and a number of other changes from red dragon to steel division that got carried over to warno I think make for worse combat.

[@KryptnGaming]

MAKE WARNO RUSE 2

[@perilxurr868]

@@egoalter1276 it’s realistic

[@perilxurr868]

@@KryptnGamingdude a Ruse 2 with it being the Cold War would be fucking AWESOME! I would love another Ruse🥲

[@egoalter1276]

@@perilxurr868 Not even Wargame was realistic, and this is even less so.

[@henryoshea4951]

People complain a a lot about unit variety in WARNO because of the division system, but I find in games there is more variety since different divisions force people to use different units rather than people using the same meta decks and meta units over and over like in Wargame. The better infantry mechanics as well mean people dont just spam VDV '90, with WARNO having many types of VDV infantry even, and only limited to one deck.

[@RedTomato1917]

Exactly, why does choice matter when there are clearly only a few good options. You always see the same units in red dragon because of it

[@alessandroiorio6248]

Complaint is valid, the only restriction should be that of what the nation can field in real life, not artificial divisions. And the example VDV '90 (or other similar units) are already restricted to 2 specs plus general in wargame, so they are already balanced that way. In competitive play WARNO has the exact same problem of people choosing always the best units anyway, because you don't compete to have fun or to lose, you compete to win; difference is in wargame you can also build quirky decks for non-competitive play without dumb artificial restrictions. Because of this (and probably some other reason I can't think of on the fly) the division system should be scrapped for future titles

[@henryoshea4951]

@@alessandroiorio6248 Artificial divisions and artificial limitations? What? You mean the real divisions, brigades and regiments with equipment accurate to the era and setting of the game. What was presented in wargame was not what was being fielded in real life even. Finland wasnt using Stug IIIs in the the 1990s and the Soviets were not using T-34-85s at that time either.

[@alessandroiorio6248]

​@@henryoshea4951 Cool, I phrased my first sentence incorrectly but still you are missing the point; i know there are divisions in real life with those names. I meant artificial restrictions (which is what divisions are mechanically), like i wrote at the end. My point still stands tho and divisions are the facade to disguise the artificial restriction. Who cares if there were no T34s in soviet armored formations at the fulda gap, they are there for the purpose of gameplay. If anything our points should be combined with a mechanic where a lobby host could set to have only units historical to the setting, like restricting a lobby only to coalition decks. Still what i propose adds to the game, what you say can only detract from it. Arguing about historical accuracy is a rabbit hole we don't really wanna go into with EUGEN, or we would have to scrap half of wargame's factions

[@henryoshea4951]

@@alessandroiorio6248 Myself and many others do care about historical accuracy, and so WARNO is much more appealing than wargame, alongside its division mechanics. Thats something that I disliked a lot about wargame, but too each their own. I still find that there is more variety in games in WARNO than wargame.

[@OtherlingQueen]

Knowing the Wargame fanbase one of the big reasons that keeps them playing Red Dragon as opposed to WARNO are funny jingoist factions like Israel and Apartheid South Africa and the fact that the wargame chat is essentially not monitored anymore.

[@Dastardly1]

lol, that's uhhh, odd. I would hate to meet some retvrn to Rhodesia weirdo in multiplayer

[@Krytech420]

Also the non common factions were great, sweden, denmark, Finland, Norway. I bought the game purely for Norway and ive loved the wargame/warnonseries ever since

[@OtherlingQueen]

@@Krytech420 I mean, some of them were really cool to add. Since Airland Battle took place in Northern Europe that was cool but there was so much potential for actually far more interesting countries instead of more NATO like Netherlands, Israel, SA. We should have had Iran, India, etc, countries that actually make sense for the Red Dragon setting. Instead we had apartheir troops running around in tropical Asia...

[@ItsKlawtastic]

the wargame chat was monitored? 😂

[@beep6844]

​​​​@@OtherlingQueenit would just fill the redfor unspec deck with more T-55's, T-72's, and BMP's that everyone else has. Both Israel and South Africa bring something new to the table. The netherlands is a weird choice for DLC ngl tho. The equipment pool of nations like Iran and India would be more interesting if the game took place in modern day, where they have local equipment (as seen in many mods), instead of the cold war where it was mostly imported stuff.

[@thejonathan130]

Auto counter battery and unload at point are the 2 main reasons I prefer Warno over RD. It's also a very pretty game

[@dontanton7775]

Unload at point is possible in RD: Just queue unload with a SHIFT click order.

[@darklordaranyx2467]

While I am considering moving from Wargame to Warno, one of the main points that I loved so much about Wargame is the massive variety of playable nations. And I'm a bit worried that Eugen might go a similar route as with Steel Division 2 and focus mainly on one or two theaters and any armies that would be fighting there.

[@blackmagemasher4031]

Wargame was my first Eugen game, I have such a love/hate with it because of that. I like the gameplay of SD2/Warno more, but I like the unit diversity of Wargame SO MUCH MORE

[@afrosnyper5597]

Once Eugen release the full range and depth of mod tools (like SD2 tools), it will carry the longevity of the game for quite some time. Sadly currently with the mod tools you cannot create custom names for things, but i can understand why Eugen didnt give the community that on day one.

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

There are many smaller differences, like the sound effects of machine guns, infantry voice acting etc, but that would end up in a 20 minute video kekw. Hope this video is a nice summary and comparison between these two amazing games.

[@TF2enjoyer2008]

for me the real probleme with wargame is that , the dev never worked on something other than adding new unit or faction in team. the game mechanic and IA never changer since the realease of the game. in 5 years we never get any quality of life improvement in the game. Just for that i think WARNO will be a much greater strategy game in solo and Multiplayer game.

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

yeah i wish they really focused on the naval aspect of things after releasing it

[@voterfraud4creepyjoe60]

People should give more credit to Steel Division 2, it was a test bed for a lot of features and quality of life improvements that we are getting to see come to live in WARNO

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

oh absolutely. I would keep playing if it they didnt have that front line system OR the stunning and surrendering mechanics.

[@chamikk90]

i don't like the scale change in maps. in red dragon, the distances feel more realistic than warno

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

yeah, as i mentioned, the maps in wargame definitely feel a bit better in some cases. I think the scale in warno is due to some maps being much larger than in wargame.

[@chamikk90]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment not just the maps, unit sizes are much larger in worno. 2km engagement range for a tank feels like 500m

[@haymaker7784]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment The big issue for WARNO maps is width vs depth, since the aircraft speed changes force deep maps you tend, in the 1v1 rotation, to get less wide maps which force less wide play.

[@egoalter1276]

Thats because it is. There ia a 3.8x range multiplier to what you read on the card compared to what is displayed.

[@kappa_06]

I feel that this game IS wargame 4. Sames mecanicsm. And I enjoy it because I am an absolute fan of wargame serie. I feel sad that Eugen System don't give a map & campaign editor in red dragon. I think the community of Wargame must be very active if people can create their own map & campaign. One addition that would have been really fun would have been "multiplayer campaigns"!

[@jigsaw2642]

Difficult topic. I personally prefer wargame. I prefer its deck system, the coloured deck cards that conveniently let me know what I am looking at, the much better UI, the maps, the gameplay and much more. With that being said I also like warno and I would prolly pay full price if its quality of life features could be ported to wargame as a dlc or sth.

[@checkerbene]

Its Deck Building and Unit Variety that stops Players from moving on to WARNO. That was one of the most fun parts about Wargame.

[@ronmka8931]

But then you have meme migs and vdv’90

[@otavio8566]

I will mis the navy aspect ftom RD in WARNO, but what really pissed me of about naval in RD is that the Arleigh-Burke DD didnt exist but the japanese variant of it did. Plus you couldn't land helos on the ships, alongside the the asm spam

[@likelike344]

I feel like wargame just feels more epic (more huge). You could have done huge pushes and make truly magnificent manouvers not just pushing 1-2 units. The scale was just different and thats what I miss the most

[@emo-sup-sock]

I regularly see large tank columns when playing, mass IFV assaults, and even the occasional heli rush (although it is not even close to being as problematic as it is in WGRD). It definitely feels slower than WGRD, but isn't this just nostalgia for when Eugen-style RTS were new to you?

[@lequack8861]

The biggest problem for me about Warno in comparison to WGRD is infantry. They are so much slower and more vulnerable now, even in forest or urban combat. Also they have tiny rifles, with like 2 mags each per person. So more often than not, both side depletes their gun ammo before half of the enemy squad is dead.

[@attilakatona-bugner1140]

that is... quite literally 10 times more realistic than wargame? even in sd2, the mgs with 4k ammo just make that gameplay a weird mg-supressing fiesta for infantry. realistically, infantry is hard to kill, and should be bad at dealing damage, unless it enjoys fire sup over the other side

[@lequack8861]

@@attilakatona-bugner1140 Yes, but infantry should be configured so that they are be able to finish another squad with 1 load of munition, not for realism, but for the sake of gameplay.

[@Delucaass]

@@attilakatona-bugner1140 it's a rts game, you know that, right?

[@diddybop8025]

as someone who was in the service... 2 mags is a little low. usually combat load is 7+ but that usually is dictated by what type of conflict you were getting into. Large force on force encounter? Yeah you're going to be bringing as many mags as your little spine can handle carrying around.

[@jakemonkey7]

You can wipe a squad with the base load of ammo for each squad if you close with the enemy squad, I usually use my inf in pairs to have one squad suppress (most often the squad being focused on to minimize their damage intake) and the other move in to do damage.

[@nirktheman-thingstab-cutter]

As much as WARNO has QoL improvements, I really feel It doesn't compare well to WG:RD simply because it lacks variety. All of my favorite nations to play...aren't in WARNO. Furthermore, the maps in WG:RD were more varied aesthetically and allowed some fun with imagining the conflict is taking place elsewhere among the globe where WARNO every map feels like generic European countryside and its just so dull to me. Where's my Chosin Reservoir? Smoke on the Water? Maze in Japan? Cold War Z?

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

Ironically, all the maps you mentioned are barely played, but i do agree that they need to add some variety to warno maps.

[@kingmarre9130]

No shit that the maps are in european when the game takes place in Europe.... and the game is still in EA

[@nirktheman-thingstab-cutter]

@@kingmarre9130 You could not have missed the point more if you tried. My critique was not that the maps "take place in Europe" it's that they lack aesthetic variation. Unless you're arguing that's simply impossible with a game set in Europe?

[@kingmarre9130]

@@nirktheman-thingstab-cutter I understand your point but they have said its takes place in one part of Germany where it was very open, so countryside with small towns and some larger ones. There some maps with a city and they have said more maps will come

[@soup2684]

Having played every one if their games since Ruse, WARNO is mu favorite from a pure gameplay perspective. Sure it doesnt have the nation variety yet but its far and away the most functional

[@williamwherewhatwho6177]

I'd like to point out another thing I've been asking for, for a long time. Heli's finally have flares!

[@RipVanWhinkle]

Finally, the video I was looking for

[@rinopalumbo7192]

Warno is fantastic and is again in early access and it will have a lot of improvements starting with the new maps

[@goshtsoldier]

What about the boats, does no one care about the boats? 😂. The addition of the coop campaing maybe the deciding factor for me to buy it, since in airland battle I enjoyed it like a kid. Nice video 😊

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

yeah we dont talk about the boats here haha. It was a meh thing they added to the game but it needed a lot of optimizing which they didnt.

[@goshtsoldier]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment yeah, completely true, but it was nice doing some funky amphibious landings in some maps, or parking a frigate near the coast as a anti personnel + AA post

[@apolakigamingandmore6376]

0:46 *Wargame tank rush be like, until the A-10 comes in:*

[@pelprod6388]

Red dragon is so much better and complete warno is beautiful and that all

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

Complete, sure, better? thats objective. There are many things in WARNO that are objectively better and the same is true for wargame. the main thing i experienced is that i just cant play wargame after playing warno, the quality of life mechanics that warno has is already reason enough for me, but i still enjoy both games!

[@SandwichesAreAwesome-iu2hn]

Ive been waiting for them to finish the campaign mode before I buy it.

[@rookstun]

Wargame had interesting weapon variety for vics. I wish we got the Comvat and Starship in Warno, which has better mechanics overall.

[@Lem0nsquid]

Airland was great after EE but red dragon was pretty meh for me. However warno is just leagues ahead of war game in every category. It’s just a matter of fleshing it out now

[@Mori-ey8wj]

One thing I always hear ppl complain about is the Deckbuilding WGRD with its Nations and "complete freedom" approach vs Warnos Battlegroups/Divisions more restricted approach I've been playing these games since European Escalation and I Warno us the first I tried online multiplayer with because the Deckbuilding didn't feel too intimidating too me. So tines less is more especially for "newer" players

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

yeah i prefer the WARNO method more. It forces you to have certain weaknesses when you go for a deck, well in most cases. In wargame, most decks played the same as any other deck and didnt feel really unique.

[@tristanhicks9824]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainmentthe problem with the current meta though is that certain divisions are just worse than others

[@michaelthayer5351]

I've tried WARNO, I've got 2k hours in ALB and RD combined, but I just can't make sense of the WARNO UI, it seems cluttered, difficult to tell what's going on and it's a lot harder to manage stacks of multiple units. Added to that is the performance issues. I've never had issues with Wargame but WARNO even doing 1v1 on lowest graphics the game lags, my computer isn't the newest but its still shouldn't be struggling this much where 10v10 for Wargame runs better than 1v1 for WARNO.

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

i mean yeah wargame was build for a 2014 computer to be honest here. Warno is much more graphically intensive. I understand that you might feel the UI is a bit confusing at first but its just because its something new. give it some time and itll feel normal in no time. this is one of the big difficulties people like yourself need to get past since you have thousands of hours in games with a different UI.

[@michaelthayer5351]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment Maybe, but WARNO is still the only game my computer has problems with. And besides all the people I play with are still in Wargame, hell most of them even still play ALB over RD because they like the balance better. We'll probably all end up just keep playing Wargame until the servers shut down. It's like that whole line about old dogs and new tricks.

[@haymaker7784]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment I have had the same issue with the UI; however, even after a couple hundred hours in WARNO I still think there is something worse about the UI design that is holding it back, that paired with the map design issues and different gameplay balance choices kinda keep me going back to RD though.

[@kingmarre9130]

​@@michaelthayer5351 lol Just get a better PC, i have no problems with Warno. The UI is allmost the same what are you talking about

[@michaelthayer5351]

@@kingmarre9130 I'm not gonna spend money just to play a subpar game I don't enjoy and can't make heads or tails of.

[@beep6844]

Wargame is set in 1996, the second korean war campaign happens in 1992, and the most recent units in the game are set to 1996 in the armory.

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

im pretty sure all campaigns are set from 1975 to 1991. And the ones from 1996 are prototype units (unless im derpin) so i woudnt really count them. The BULK of the game is set to 1991.

[@beep6844]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment second korean war is 1992

[@hamoodhabibi1579]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment Plus the Yugoslav Spec Ops got themselves the Bumbar. Lol

[@ohsam5954]

As someone who played Warno before trying Wargame I must say I love Warno so much. It is my favorite game period. No competition.

[@OtherlingQueen]

This checks out because the Wargame fandom is 100% based off 'muh devs are libtards and I can't say the n-word anymore', Wargame was a great game for its time but there's no reason to play it now that WARNO does everything better.

[@Applecompuser]

I really really enjoy Wargrame Reddragon. Id like to see a Blizzard level of quality pvp matching would be really great.

[@ronmka8931]

The ranked wg:rd matchmaking pitted me against a top 11 ranked major general while i was on my 3rd ranked match at private

[@EldenPing]

I dont know what it is but I feel like wargame gameplay and everything is more enjoyable than SD2/Warno.

[@L1eutenantMaster]

The modding tools we were given for warno are lackluster. Imagine giving tools to modify units data but not allow to rename them. So you can have custom division names, unit names or even custom countries. And that's just one issue among many more.

[@MrDukes1111]

I have plenty of time on both. I obviously like the variety of units and deck building in WG:RD. However the quality of quantity makes it no comparison. Warno is the better game by a mile. The sound, visuals, gameplay. I genuinely love getting a big hit on a tank and hearing the rounds pop off, so satisfying.

[@EL20078]

Wargame airland battle was amazing, sad thing is they didn't release any DLCs when they could have released a heap and they would have been uber-popular. If you ask me Wargame Airland battle was left neglected.

[@duckman12569]

Schlomowitz Shecklenberg is playing right now!

[@DezNutzBich]

Love the wargame series. Really want to get Warno but waiting on Broken Arrow.

[@stephanhernandez897]

Thx ! :)

[@wolfno.7558]

My issue with warno is simple, I got red dragon (with every single dlc) for 25 USD but warno on early access cost 30 USD atleast. I will pay that much when it is a finished game.

[@georgeapolo6749]

okay here, graphics and explosion mod for red dragon and you're set. loving the graphics of warno but I still prefer the gameplay and UI of Red dragon.

[@HostileGG]

Warno is a very good game, and the graphism are top notch, the only thing i don't realy like is the lack of diversity in term of factions compared to Wargame, Israël and South Africa are very unique and original factions i'd like to see them again.

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

There will be more nations added to warno

[@lakshamb]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment lacks of units.... lack of units per card.... lack of nations.... no Asian faction just European..... People are bored of European only factions. They could have made a new game based on modern era.... nations like china, India, Japan.... but no..... it's just air land battle remastered

[@throkhan]

can i use vechile or plane in warno if i want?

[@raf.nogueira]

They promissed the WARNO Campaign and we still have nothing...

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

yeah its taking quite long isnt it

[@raul0ca]

Warno is Wargame after inflation hit military procurement

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

Hahhaha this is actually a good one

[@CapybaraConnoisseur89]

I prefer WARNO because of Division system and range tool, generally all good things from SD2.

[@JeeJeen]

division system is the worst thing they've added and one of the main reasons me and other people don't want to play warno

[@TheMasterChief101234]

@@JeeJeen boohoo

[@milancetkovic7496]

range tool is nice, it was teally hard getting used to wargame's range and vision system after playing SD44 as a first game of this kind for me. On the other hand, i think division system was unnecessary really. I have played warno for some 60 hours lately and i got to say, game looks beautiful. Destruction is nice, explosion effects are awesome, units look cool. I just dont get the division system. Also, keeping it only in european theatre is boring. Give us desert maps for israeli and egyptain divisions, give us turkish or greek divisions too. Neutral countries of Europe like Yugoslavia and Sweden would also be nice. Just having German maps gets repetitive really quickly.

[@spaceduck2130]

@@TheMasterChief101234 I'm actually in favour of playing WARNO but your comeback is just dumb.

[@Mnero78]

Just bought warno and i already miss my merkavas 😢, hopefully they release israel and asian factions again

I think red dragon could fix urban combat simply by adding workshop

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

agreed

[@KarolusTemplareV]

The part about effects it's funny. Why? Come one the two games are many years apart, if Warno didnt have that better..oh my.

[@hejdu4480]

Warno is in a really good spot now and it keeps getting better with every update. I will always have a soft spot for wargame but just stuff like the line of site tool makes it so much more enjoyable.

[@apolakigamingandmore6376]

*Last speech is true.* 😅

[@rydekk-4644]

You forgot one thing, the one thing that makes WG RD FAR BETTER than Warno ever will. Free nation deckbuilding, not being limited to divisions that only had certain unit types... They claim it's for balance, but Eugene Microtransaction Systems sure found a better way to milk DLC's with division didn't they? As for your other arguments and saying you try not to have any bias. Most of them boil down to the game being 10 years older, there is bias there from the start. Ofcourse Warno will "be better" in those regards and you could argue that even that isn't true. The reality is that Warno is at this point, incomplete thanks to the "sell now, fix/build later" strategy so many developers have adapted over the years. I prefer WG because it is a complete product, it has more content, despite age is a well polished product, gives you liberty to do what you please without catering to a niche competitive scene by limiting options in deckbuilding. And no, that won't 'hurt' me as you so in a PA way said.

[@erikreznak]

I would loved a sequel to RUSE from eugen systems i enjoyed that game the most

[@rnak3183]

I want red dragon with warno graphics 😂

[@davidh5858]

I feel like we need a better deck builder ( like the one in WARGAME ) better voice lines too the ones in WARNO are silly. I feel like we should also have more units, Id like to see marines for the US that would be nice

[@salvatore771]

Took your advice and tried both reasonably thoroughly, RD feels so much more authetnic, the gameplay, the scale, the speed, the variety in armies.... it feels like you are a real battlefield commander controling forces in a huge battle, Warno is very arcady, the hp system on vechiles, the UI, just feels horrible, like a mobile game almost! Warno does look and sound leagues better then wargame, but gameplay goes to red dragon.

[@metkiy_t-bod8571]

How to rotate the camera? Pls help meb

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

middle mouse

[@metkiy_t-bod8571]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment It’s works! Thank you!

[@manzell]

Is there a game like Warno/Red Dragon that simulates "the entire" cold-war gone hot, IE, one big step zoomed out, a step more strategic and slightly less tactical?

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

i cant think of one myself

[@sd_league]

SGS Natos Night Mare, but its a turnbased Wargame

[@manzell]

@@sd_league This is closer to what I was looking for, thank you!

[@LazzieMazzie]

in warno there really isn't much of "meta" decks it is more dice game and if someone uses "meta" deck just say they are weak to not be creative or using their mind because you don't use "meta" in war you use skill and experience with creative minds

[@ilias6458]

The whole point to play Wargame is it's diverse clean competitive gameplay, of course i don't count the AA/SEAD shit as part of the diversity nor competition . And that point is almost fully omitted in this video, idk how this video is any useful or fair . The ton of infantry types with random buffs made me even more sure that Warno's gameplay makes much less sense, but thats an addition to stack of much bigger issues . And, largest effect on longevity comes from gameplay, obviously newer games will have more content, but older ones are played regardless, most of the time because of their gameplay, "better" as that video would say, not because of f* nostalgia . Wargame has the most diverse gameplay of all games in the world, and Warno isn't close to it . If i would be interested in gameplay which is similar to Warno, personally i would rather wait for Broken Arrow to be released before considering buying it .

[@TopHatHat]

Here is a massive rant. I feel a lot of the stuff people miss from wargame makes no sense whatsoever. Yes there was a lot of unit variety in wargame, but NOBODY used it at all, did anyone use any inf that wasn't the '90 variant? No. Did anyone use the really awful militia for anything other than one funny match and then immediately switch back to the meta? No. Did anyone use the deck settings for mechanised, marine etc? No. One person in the comments was saying they liked the combo national decks, really only used because minor nations were completely unplayable, Commonwealth was 90% British with just the few Candian or Aussie werent completely useless. Only national issues in Warno come from the historical setting (Which is a personal preference) and current lack of divisions. They complain and then switch back to wargame, never using the mechanics they claim to love so much. The joy of Warno, despite some balancing issues, is that the game actually feels fresh, new tactics, new problems, not the same 5 meta decks every time. I actually see fun units like KDA Militia, which are awful but make sense for the divisional deck system and give a weakness to a division, rather than all-round strengths. Every wargame match is really just playing "Best units simulator" where you have Challenger 2's, Akula's, Spetznaz, Hellfires, Patriots, Erreksonjakari, etc. Everything is just desperately keeping your limited elite units alive whilst they massacre any opponent that isn't using the absolute meta. Or in multiplayer where EVERYONE is using the meta you just wait until somebody makes an error or you accidently lose an important unit. I loved wargame, but after a while it just got so stale, the same map with the same meta decks 1000 times over because that's the only thing that works.

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

Exactly

[@TutterTactics]

as a fan of both and a long time player of the wargame series. I simply cannot go back to Wargame. The features and tools in WARNO allow for better gameplay IMO. While im not a fan of the division mechanic this is also easily fixed with workshop support with things like freedom deck builder. Im very excited for Army General as we havent had a genuine coop eugen experience in the cold war since airland battle. The only gripe I have with WARNO is the content drop speed. While regular content monthly is great they have been promising army general for a long time and at this point its getting to ready or not ridiculous with the postponement. while this isnt a bad thing as we all want a good experience it seems they hyped the mode wayy to early. Aside from that WARNO lacks the sheer variety that red dragon has. Red Dragon has so many different countries and units that you can build about a million decks and deck combos while in WARNO its a bit more linear even with mods.

[@fly_pie_1172]

i like that wargame has more nations, thus more unit variety, and since your not locked to divisions (which i hate a lot) you can build any deck how you want mixing units as you like, with thematic choices as airborne or such) despite wargame not having paratroopers or fixed artillery like warno

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

the thing is, not being locked to divisions also kinda blends all the decks into eachother, you can mix and match the best of both worlds and it turns your gameplay style to one universal one. with warno, you have to adapt to really make use of of the strengths and avoid the weaknesses.

[@lequack8861]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment As someone had pointed out before, it can be easily fixed by introducing a switch for deck type, with realism mode for division based deck building, and arcade mode for mixed division deck.

[@LemonDuc]

I just can't get over that they have no naval stuff, which is a bit of a downgrade, I don't like the deck building as much, aaaand icing on the cake was that I found out the t80 is the best tank. Like we havn't all seen vids of 80s model bradleys taking out a t90.

[@impostor101]

is there a naval War in WARNO?

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

Nope

[@dark_hobbies7080]

Warno have great looking graphics but don’t feel the same as war-game.

[@warfarelooselet]

Soon we can finally play test Broken Arrow ;) Nice video as always

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

yeah looking forward to that big time!

[@CoachGunns]

Great review bro !

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

Appreciate it!

[@mrnoob39]

World In Conflict

[@101jir]

Outright better? I was expecting more tradeoffs. Curious more about that.

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

At some point I will dive into all the tiniest details but the things I mentioned are the easiest when trying to decide which one has the better system. The main thing people like about Wargame is the time to kill. Its really low, AA is deadly accurate, infantry can delete an entire squad in half a second etc. So its more micro heavy, but thats not exactly a good thing.

[@101jir]

@BoltSauce Well that's a pretty big point in favor of Warno for me

[@redjacc7581]

wargame wins for playability.

[@dante7786]

İnanmıyorum Türkmüşsün, mükemmel olay

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

evet

[@trivixni435]

Broken Arrow will be releasing in some months to a year so ill prefer to wait for it, i gave a chance to warno and it felt like a mess, ai knows where you are always

[@EvansdiAl]

What u mean there werent reservist in wargame?

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

I never said there wasnt, but they were close to useless due to the low TTK in wargame

[@KryptnGaming]

EUGEN: MAKE WARNO RUSE: COLD WAR

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

Dude f*ck cold war

[@KryptnGaming]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment The Cold war has a lot of potential, huge time scale with many different combinations of military units. Although I would like to see Eugen do anything else

[@charlie2731]

Does no one else think the explosions in WARNO look really odd and not good?

[@egoalter1276]

Yep. They look like orange soda foam. They are way too saturated, and animated way too slowly.

[@nkosinathindlovu3059]

Am I the only one who finds Warno maps to be a bit strenous to look at? The detail is a bit too much for my liking, and the maps are seemingly blue-ish. Whereas I find WG:RD maps to be easy on the eye and units can be varied from terrein and map elements. And of course the convoluted Warno UI. Otherwise, Warno mechanics and sound effects take the cup... I'm too drawn to the WG:RD soundtracks though, which includes some that were included in WG:EE

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

Convoluted UI. I actually find it less convoluted than wargame but they are still quite similar i gues. Everything can be adjusted too and you can even remove the minimap. But in terms of the maps. I dont feel the same way. I had this with steel division. I found that game bad to look at

[@thechinese-australian9205]

One thing the Wargame Red Dragon has over WARNO is slightly more factions (China, NK, SK, Japan and the pay to win DLCs). It makes sense to not have the East Asian factions in WARNO due to the game being set in Europe.

[@ethankrause8697]

Well also Warno is still in development so there are going to be more divisions added later down the line

[@red_devil17]

So warno is base to the newest conflict right now? But fictional

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

No its just the same cold war gone hot scenario like all previous games

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

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[@LynxErgo]

My man is growing

[@300spartan2222]

warno is too arcadish in looks and gameplay imo

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

in which ways does it look and play arcady? im actually curious

[@Chrischos]

I bet u mean the blue UI wich is held very simple

[@dragonosk3168]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment I don’t know if this qualifies as arcady but I feel like warno is to easy and has to high unit availability for high cost unit. In wargame my one or two superheavies are really precious and can get side shot at any moment which makes the game harder. In warno I see Stealthgaming with 5 Challenger 2’s just driving across an open field and not losing a tank without smoke and while tanking a lot of atgm and tank fire. The fact that you need to babysit units is what makes wargame skillful and interesting for me.

[@aidanfarris6565]

For me it's a matter of price, I got wg rd for 7$ and I'm worried I'll buy warno for 30$ and not like it as much lol

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

an old product will be cheaper by default but still definitely worth playing wargame for 7 bucks. lots of content and fun

[@Kesen2003]

Honestly the quality of life shit in warno is cool. And certain aspects of warno I prefer. But I still play wargame over warno. I find the multiplayer much more enjoyable in wargame. And I prefer the deck system in wargame.

[@Kesen2003]

And for me it has nothing to do with betraying an older game. I don’t stick with older games in any other series. The fact is wargame just plays better in some aspects that warno doesn’t have. While they’re similar games, you can’t tell me that they feel the same when playing them. The pacing and utilization of things are completely different.

[@iskaka5031]

better? probally. less fun? yes, give us deck designer in warno ffs

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

No. Then you end up with 1 meta deck for nato and 1 for warsaw. Battlegroup based is better for creating interesting decks. BUT there are mods that enable what you want

[@iskaka5031]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment You don't, even in wargame people always vary their decks based on nation, types and playstyles. I have yet to see the ONE deck that does it all in wargame

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

well yeah but things are more uniform and i personally (and many others) like the uniqueness of each battlegroup in warno. But yeah to each their own.

[@ciphergamingsouthafrica8502]

this game could have been so much better if it was more like Act of War and not CTF style

[@rjbarrett1232]

Red Dragon clears unfortunately

[@supersaiyan660]

You don't even talk about the most important thing the multiplayer plus mod on wargame

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

the modding is quite basic and not really gamechanging. Most people dont touch the mods except some aesthetic ones and the multiplayer side of it is practically the same so i dont know what there is to compare. There will be a big in depth comparison when the game is fully released.

[@ArmorKingEmir]

wargame gives so much emotions, when we play it we scream like crazy. when playing warno its just always calm, DPS is low so you can take hits and retreat. while in wargame every second can be descisive. AA actually kills hellis etc...

[@Monarch_E.]

WARYES

[@myrmidononyx5961]

girthquake?

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

yes

[@Spikeydelic]

500 hrs in a game is not a lot tho

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

thats playing 2 hours a day for 250 days straight. or 21 days straight. I would say thats a lot.

[@Spikeydelic]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment I have 7000 HR in Trackmania xD oops 😬 🤣

[@akriegguardsman]

I play Wargame because I can't afford Warno, and wargame has the PLA

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

i respect it

[@luarvikluarvik4276]

WARNO is the best!

[@elshenelo2001]

idk I did not enjoy Warno, still playing wargame due to mechanics.

[@WojciechGaming69]

rn ill stick to wargame to learn basics and than ill switch to warno cos i just lost a 2v1 against ai playing with my friend XD

[@grzegorzlisiecki5033]

I like hot RD is balanced and how, with time and patience, you pick up all fine tuning pieces (where parience is one of my favs). In Warno I am puzzled how heavy AA is not effective against ASFs. They seem to be just a nuance.

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

Its being tweaked a lot which is nice. Infrared is very strong while radar AA is meh atm

[@Messymathews90]

WARGAME RED DRAGON IS WAY BETTER . WE NEED PART 2

[@ridfersmovies]

4:52 you say unit variety like this is a good thing, i think it is a horrible thing gameplay wise, in wargame in an instant you would know what infantry u where up against and how to counter it. in warno there's to many differences, different abilities, that just don't add anything strategy wise. it just makes the game feel clunky and cluttered in my opinion.

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

There is arguably more variety in wargame since its a more finished product but i do also understand the “less is more” argument.

[@ridfersmovies]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment I just don't like the fact that I can't see in a spit second what I am dealing with infantry wise (actually not just infantry I think the ui just fals short compared to wargame aswell, but mostly it's with inf) . Like for example the squad size is no longer normalized wich I like on the one side Cuz it's more realistic, and just makes more sense. But the big downside then is that it feels more clunky when you play. Like in wargame you have any elite squad you know for sure it's gonna have atleaet 10 men, and will murder any emeny squad. Then in warno you don't know any more for sure, cuz you have the smaller size elites aswell and I need to open up the info panel all the time. And I'm a casual player I'm never gonna learn all the units so yea. I do hope they'll fix the ui make it more clear I think this could solve alot. Thanks for the reply btw ^^

[@christhummel2751]

I like warno but it seems to me like a watered down wargame red dragon. Wargame had more futures.

[@SaucyNetworkEntertainment]

What features exactly?

[@christhummel2751]

@@SaucyNetworkEntertainment well to start they got rid of any naval combat. You can’t make decks like you can in WGRD and the units are not as fun. In WG you had a lot more options regarding helicopter infantry. It just doesn’t seem to have the depth that it once did.

[@georgeofazgad2176]

I personally found that wargame had much slower time to kill, tanks can take multiple hits and most infantry are 10 or 15 men squads. But the quality of life improvements in warno is much needed, plus I liked new deck system

[@Marcelino1098]

I'm also really looking forward to Broken Arrow compared to this