WHICH IS FASTER? Trail e-bike vs DH E bike (Niner Rip e9 vs Niner WFO e9 ride test!)

[@dpraeuner]

I’ve never been opposed to e-bikes but seeing how you almost effortlessly went up the climbs made me want one so bad

[@abelramos8652]

Dude its about time and fit. Ebikes arent for xc if you look for the enduro ride type and you dont have time for train and ride often ebike gives you x3 times the ride than a normal in one hour, and you can go to work next day like brand new. They are amazing

[@pesomasagravedad]

Glad to see you back on a bike Syd! Hope the ebike makes riding attainable again for you while you recover. I got mine recently and I love it!

[@brianp316]

Thank you, I'm still learning propper trail etiquette. I just bought the RIP.

[@chrisgeorge510]

In the side-by-side videos going down Breaking Bad, it is totally noticeable that the WFO is much smoother and planted....there is less vibration going through your arms to your chest. Great video!

[@Arrow352]

I love Macky's trail etiquette, I always try to remember and emulate it (I don't always succeed).

[@Onecogmike]

Can’t wait to get my WFO

[@edwardziegler569]

next time you go to pajarito you should try riding up one of the ski runs or following the lift route riding right under it. and man the timing of those jumps 13:30

[@perryirons1399]

Very good video on differences between the bikes. Just what I wanted.

[@JeffOehlsen]

This is the second or third channel that I subscribe to that has done reviews on ebikes. I really think these bikes should be promoted strongly. Beginners wanting to go on rides with their friends won't get their legs ripped off, commuters should love them, and well, going uphill like that for a mountain biker and not having to wait for a lift is perfect.

[@abelramos8652]

Interesting test. The more slacked seems to have the edge but is also heavier and less nimble. I found myself often doing faster times on my Levo than my Kenevo on many trails.

[@mathewmccabe2658]

Do you still own both? Which do you prefer?

[@abelramos8652]

@@mathewmccabe2658 depend on the trails men. On the real world like i said the Levo is faster. On bikeparks the Kenevo. Currently i own a Pivot Shuttle and its a better (and faster) bike than both Spe. Dont get obsessed with that brand they are good but not the best and pricey. The new e reign, is a blast and its cheaper dont squeeze your brain. Rocky Mountain, YT, Moondraker … theres a lot of good ebikes out there

[@taffycymroukmtb9073]

Great stuff Syd and Macky 🚴🚴👌👌

[@ciraloke]

Someone's probably told you this already, but we call them Rock Melons in AU too.

[@sydandmacky]

Love it!

[@alansymonds1]

Hey guys love your videos. I was just wondering what was with all the logged trees on this video. You're so lucky to have such beautiful trails.

[@sydandmacky]

Huge fire in Los Alamos in 2000. The forest is still recovering.

[@razmtb5028]

Hope i can try a ebike here in our local bike shop but unfortunately, they don't have

[@jhunter9826]

Thanks for the video. I’m looking at both of these bike and trying to decide which one will be better for me but I noticed the bikes you were riding have totally different suspension, drivetrains and brakes than what Niner has them spec’d at. I’m guessing you did some serious upgrades??

[@sydandmacky]

We ride for Shimano/Fox so we built them up with sponsor-correct parts... That being said, the builds they spec with are pretty nice!

[@nicdorman3826]

Nice, though without an ebike doing laps with a 27min climb sounds hectic. Also, Syd singing (?) in the background at 06:58 is great

[@doziershaw9765]

What’s the difference in average heart rate between these bikes and non electric assist bikes?

[@georgedoolittle7574]

These are basically 2 stroke enduro motocross so big time work outs with greatly elevated risk factor. I picked up a pair of used Bobblebe Packs for back protection and I would in fact add a motocross helmet to protect your chin. These are an amazing new class of machines and will definitely put their bike shop skills to the test. And camera skills too..

[@sydandmacky]

Depends how hard you go. You can definitely still go hard if you want to but if you don't want to you can just boost the setting up to Turbo!

[@wamote6867]

On the eMTB i have the same power output (Watts and heart rate) like on the indoor trainer, on the pedal bike my heart rate is a little bit higher, because there is no way to get it down if you go uphill. But with pushing more on the eBike, it's no problem to get the same.

[@garyonnen7634]

What was syds thoughts on the WFO?

[@svantesvedin1299]

I for one want to see Syds parents on the E-bikes... :)

[@DorDor400]

I wish these bikes were still spec'd this way :( now its SRAM SX on the RIP. Different forks and shock too :(

[@sydandmacky]

These were custom builds, the stock build has always been SRAM/Rockshox

[@thepedalsadvocate7389]

I of course had heard of Niners. I like them. You guys speak highly. A bit rare and boutiquey here in Calgary and Vancouver. Was this close to buying a Trek Rail 7 or 9.7. Saw these yesterday advertised local shop for 31 % (WFO) and 38% off for the RIP ($5,999 CDN)!!!! Tough call. Am confused now. Haha. Seriously considering one of these.... Unsure which one.... The WFO ($6,889 CDN)..... These bikes are TANKS!!!!!!

[@mtnpov3769]

You guys tempt me to just go out and buy an emtb but I have to remember that emtb trails aren’t a thing near me. 🙁(keep up the great videos!)

[@svanstj]

What is the rules about the speed on s E-bike in the US? What is the speed limit. In Sweden have a 25 km/h speed limit om E-bike.

[@sydandmacky]

In the US is 20mph (32kmh)

[@bbarker5766]

This kind of helped think about which kind of bike to get but still need to ride a bigger suspension bike to feel it in different situations if that makes sense. I don't have the need for a 180mm bike because of the riding I would do but just wonder if it would help me feel better at the end of the day having the extra plushness.

[@sydandmacky]

Definitely an argument to be made there!

[@nickcutler7371]

So you note the difference in climb time between the two bikes and the feel but considering there is a decent focus on range of the bikes, did you notice that the longer travel bike expended more battery to do the same climbs? I would expect similar to the human on a normal bike who has to expend slightly more energy to pedal longer travel platforms, that the motor of an ebike would have to expend more battery life to do the same. It helps that both of these bikes have the same battery/motor/drive train so it purely comes down to the suspension efficiency.

[@sydandmacky]

To be honest, it was hard to tell. Since there isn't a battery percentage meter (just a battery thing that shows 5 bars) it's hard to know exactly how much was used for each climb. I also think that you can probably go a bit farther on the RIP than the WFO on one charge, but don't have specific proof.

[@nickcutler7371]

@@sydandmacky ah cool, thanks for the response. I am not in on the e-mtb scene but local shop owner says theres tons of cool apps that can integrate with the units and layer in extra data in to strava etc that will really let you deep-dive in to your numbers. I am sure proper info is just a google away.

[@isaacjackson15]

What jersey is Macky wearing?

[@sydandmacky]

Those are our race jerseys from PEARL iZUMi. We did a version that we let people pre-order earlier this year and replaced our sponsors with "#bemoreawesome". We'll probably do the same at the end of this year, so stay tuned.

[@isaacjackson15]

Cool

[@bike_somm]

Awesome 😎 great rideeeeeng 💯

[@thim8009]

I have a levo 150 / 150, I put a 160 36 up front and eventually I want to put an x2 in rear then I figure I have best of both worlds.

[@nissemeys4766]

The corkscrew is both the coolest and scariest thing I've ever seen

[@georgedoolittle7574]

You're no Andrew Camarata, mister and missus!

[@nissemeys4766]

2 screens on the e bikes, one more and you can start editing videos on the climbs 🤣😎

[@enuazeal]

no heavy breathing up the hill :)

[@nissemeys4766]

Next video: how to hide rip e9 motor in rip 9 RDO

[@TedKidd]

eBikes. You, only further, and faster up.

[@1pho3nixmatt]

Your forehead helmet creases post-ride are cracking me up. (Totally not being mean!)

[@sydandmacky]

Yeah, downsides of having no hair!

[@meatloafgobbler9898]

when your bikes cost 3x more than your car

[@pepeanza6187]

Now you review E bikes please don't