Which Keyboard is Better for Beginners? Roland FP10 vs Yamaha P45!

[@fensterputzernuernberg]

I would choose the Yamaha P45. ... greetings from the Yamaha factory in Tokyo

[@yolanda6283]

LMAAAAO

[@carloko08]

wow, your name is so japanese that is impresive XD

[@franksmith541]

That would be a mistake. The Roland FP 10 has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price. The piano sound is also better. The Yamaha P 45 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 45 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 45 because the latter's action is lighter and doesn't feel like a real piano.

[@starmorpheus]

⁠@@franksmith541I’ve seen you copy and paste this comment on several videos comparing Yamaha to Roland. You switched out “P145” with “P45” in this case and didn’t change anything. Idk if you have something against Yamaha but this is hilarious.

[@franksmith541]

@@starmorpheus Yes, it is "hilarious", but I had to sit at a $3-4000 Yamaha Clavinova to have an action as good as the $600 Roland FP-10. As many people as possible should know this, and they should know that those two Yamahas have lousy action in comparison. I have nothing against Yamaha (they make excellent hybrids, digitals and acoustics), but in the lower end market, the Roland is a lot better as a piano instrument.

[@eyesofvenus]

I got the FP10 for a few reasons. I love the sound, the default pianos sounds great. In my opinion it has the best action of any keyboard in its price range, same as whats on the FP30. And finally the bluetooth. This allowed me to connect via bluetooth to my ipad with midi bluetooth and then use piano learning software without any need for additional cables. Plus the wooden stand is quite nice.

[@TheMeefive]

Yeah but no dedicated line outs makes it pretty useless for mr. It's collecting dust on my floor. I'll be sticking with my Casio wk6600.

[@AmundBlixAaeng]

@@TheMeefive Get an adapter cable like they use in this video to record the audio from the headphones output. Definitely not as convenient as dedicated outputs naturally, but it works... 🙂

[@TheMeefive]

@@AmundBlixAaeng Thanks, but recording wasn't the problem. I needed to split the audio. I went on Amazon and bought a Fosi Audio PH04 4 channel headphone amplifier. That enabled me to send the signal to the soundboard system and a personal amplifier so that I could hear what i was playing separately from the other instruments. It also lets me adjust the volume level for each channel. With the Casio, I used to have the line outs going to the soundboard system and the headphone output to the amplifier.

[@AmundBlixAaeng]

@@TheMeefive Ah I see.

[@Juni_In_Saturn]

​@@TheMeefive I see you commenting the same thing everywhere. You should have done better research before buying just to end up complaining.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Jack's playing skills have improved massively over the last few years, obviously putting the time an effort to learn, got to respect him for that. I remember the comments from 5 years ago of people mocking him saying He cant play, well look at him now everyone.

[@okay1904]

Prefer the Yamaha P45 - somewhat warmer and more likely to blend in to any mix, while the Roland sounds in comparison top heavy - more trebly , yes will cut through the mix the Roland will but its a smiley EQ presentation for instant gratification. In my opinion The Roland will clash with accompanied vocals, while the Yamaha will blend in a lot better.

[@rustinpeacemaster]

There's eq in a mix

[@franksmith541]

You should go with the Roland FP 10. It has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price. The piano sound on FP 10 is also a lot better. The Yamaha P 45 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 45 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 45, because the latter's action is lighter and doesn't feel like a real piano.

[@mikegenemusic]

What song is he playing at the end? During the back-to-back comparison?

[@JakGruen]

Roland has much better keys, in any way, but the Yamahas sounds are better. If looking for a good and realistic play feeling, the Roland is the choice because it's much closer, to a real piano. But if it is just for the sound, it's the Yamaha to go with. In the end it's simple: If you are on a budget and 500 bucks is most you can spend, then you have to ask yourself if you want to have the feel (Roland) or the sound (Yamaha) of a real piano (almost real). Also for beginners who don't want to buy a new piano in the next couple years the Roland provides more value as you can make better use of the nice key action, as your skills improve. But if you can buy a better piano in the future, take the Yamaha, be happy with the sounds and upgrade to a piano with nicer keys later. (EDIT 1: The Roland doesn't sound bad, but Yamaha just sounds better, that's how to look at it.) (EDIT 2: Last but not least, Roland has nice connectivity which enables you to also put on different sounds, of nicer, more of your taste sounding Pianos. So basically, you can make the Roland sound just as nice as the Yamaha, but not off the shelf.)

[@sharingmatters]

Perfect summary.

[@roblowe9846]

Thanks @JakGruen, appreciate this feedback. Any idea if loading a better sound is remembered when powered off and back on or if you need to reload sound every time on the Roland?

[@dishigawaa8480]

Thnks

[@smol6193]

With digital pianos its always possible to tweak sounds to one's own liking. But you get stuck with the action. So I would prefer action or feel of the keys over sound for any digital piano. Even as beginner I feel that's what people should prioritize.

[@franksmith541]

The Roland FP 10 has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price. The piano sound on FP 10 is also a lot better. The Yamaha P 45 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 45 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 45, because the latter's action is lighter and doesn't feel like a real piano.

[@nikimartin1633]

Comparing all the channels… or lets say a lot, this always sounds the best. Very nice playing!! 💪🏻

[@ajcjcarvalho]

I don't know about the playing feeling and dinamics, but for me the yamaha sample sounds more "real". A little closer to a real piano sound

[@franksmith541]

The Roland FP 10 is much better. It has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price. The piano sound on FP 10 is also better. The Yamaha P 45 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 45 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 45, because the latter's action is lighter and doesn't feel like a real piano.

[@Ydkoll]

Wow! Love the way you play your tunes! You've helped my decide to go with the Roland. You didn't really mention its full potential with its app.

[@regiondeltas]

Got an FP10 bundle from you for my wife, off the back of one if your other reviews, and I can't wait to get it going!

[@VV-wd5to]

Good evening. Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy. Thank you.

[@dalejirschele1299]

Man you really know how to lay it down and let it be, good work man, cheers! I think I'm going to buy the Roland.

[@rg-uj7nn]

Im in the market for a digital piano. I must say i do like this presentation of the Roland. Ive had a Yamaha P200 for a number of years and still enjoy it, but with a secand home now in a different country i need 88 more keys. Any advice? Thanks so much!

[@isitreallyisitreally1756]

I had Yamaha P45 to gig with , brilliant usable sounds , found the action quite heavy so went Kawai MP5 , amazing keyboard action , absolute pleasure to play but has its own gravitational pull , as sooooo heavy , went back to Yamaha with the fantastic MX88 , now v happy , wont change .

[@kaisfp]

How does the action compare between the Yamaha P-45 and Yamaha MX88? Thank you!

[@aquaholland]

Am I a piano liberal if I like the P-45 just because it sounds 'calm'? 🙃 Currently choosing between these two because they're in budget and I can't tell you how difficult it is for me to decide...

[@stathiszoulakis9599]

In my opinion, with pianoteq you can make the fp 10 sound like the yamaha or even better. dont let the sound decide which one you get since the fp 10 has the better action I whould pick that in your position not only that the fp 10 doesnt sound horrible

[@aquaholland]

@@stathiszoulakis9599 I already bought the FP-10 so it's nice to hear your affirmation. I didn't get to try the P-45 because they didn't have it at the store but I guess I can try using pianoteq sometime later. Thanks for the info :)

[@VV-wd5to]

Good evening. Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy. Thank you.

[@michaelcollet8422]

What song was he playing at the end?

[@VV-wd5to]

Good evening. Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy. Thank you.

[@pisderata]

im worried with the reported clicking sounds of the fp10 pver time

[@lfisher8154]

What would you recommend if the use case is 99% midi controller for Keyscape and 1% backup just Incase something goes wrong with computer/midi?

[@stenaldomehilli8809]

There’s no comparison between these two. In my opinion, the super natural engine for Roland provides a much more realistic piano sound than their top of the line sound engines which you’d find on their flagship pianos like the FP90X. It’s a very considerable sound the one coming out of the FP10. I love hearing you play and the humor you bring with it. You’re one of my top KZbin channels since 3000 years, lol 😂😂

[@TheMeefive]

Yeah but it has no dedicated line outs. I bought one to replace my Casio WK 6600. Well my Casio is back on the stand while the Fp10 gathers dust on my office floor. Who makes a keyboard with no line outs???!!!

[@brunomillot787]

well, to me the roland sounds very synthetic. Yamaha sounds like a real piano.

[@sharingmatters]

@@brunomillot787 I have exactly the same feeling! Although I like the features that Roland has.

[@unotoli]

Save some money and get FP30X - same engine, but actually better processor and speakers + usb (both ways) makes it future proof too.

[@VV-wd5to]

​@@brunomillot787 Good evening. Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy. Thank you.

[@russ254]

I'd like to hear more about your kerfuffle with the harpsichord gang. . . . (xxoo Jack!)

[@MusicWizard85]

I own the FP10 and it's great. I taught myself piano on it years ago. I wish the volume went a little higher but for the price point it's great. One odd thing is there's actually other sounds you can pick from but you can only access them through their app (which only works sometimes).

[@Danil-bj5tj]

can i connect it to my DAW and use any samples?

[@drbekken]

I bought a P-45 because I needed something inexpensive in a hurry when my ancient Roland FP-5 broke down just before a gig. I’ve been gigging with the P-45 ever since, a great little piano - just right for those of us who don’t need all the bling. It sounds wonderful, feels good to play, and it’s built like a tank…very sturdy, takes a beating so to speak, and is working fine after being dragged in and out of cars hundreds of times. Highly recommended. I’m going to upgrade to a Roland FP-E50 now, but the old Yamaha will definitely not be thrown away. I’ll keep it, and take it to rougher gigs or to rehearsals.

[@IcE-hf2ew]

I tried both, Roland sounds too electronic when you listen to it in real life compared to P45, which sounds way, way closer to a real grand piano. P45 instantly felt like the grand piano I used to play in music school. No hate on the Roland, though.

[@Tekin762]

but can't you simply change the sound on the roland? So it doesn't sound too electronic?

[@Короткоіясно-ь8р]

@@Tekin762I tried both and with headphones Roland sounds much more realistic. Also Roland action is amazing comparing to Yamaha’s one.

[@ZxSpectrumplus]

I am helping my friend looking for a d piano. These 2 are prime candidates. From the video, i would say i like the Yamaha piano sound much better. I have a Kawai piano and i think the Yamaha sounds much closer to a real piano. I have tried out the FP-10 today and the keys feels great, not sure how it would compare to the P45 as i haven't try that yet. But for sure it beats my old Yamaha DGX-630 which i still plays. But the volume on the FP-10 is a bit too soft for my liking (and probably same for P45 as both has same rated speaker output). I find the FP-30 is near perfect in terms of volume as it much closer to the volume of my Kawai accoustic piano.

[@franksmith541]

You should go with the Roland FP 10. It has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price. The piano sound on FP 10 is also a better. The Yamaha P 45 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 45 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 45, because the latter's action is lighter and doesn't feel like a real piano.

[@Marcel_conde1]

4:26 I want a tutorial on this improvisation

[@realdealastrology9]

That’s not an improvisation

[@lashlarue59]

Is it normal for the right most 4 keys on the FP-10 to produce almost no sound other than something that sounds like blocks of wood hitting together? When I use my headphones I can hear those keys but over speakers I can't.

[@a.b.744]

I recently got one and had the same issue! Besides an odd clicking sound in some other keys when I realesed them. Does it happen to yours? I returned it and I'm waiting for a new one.

[@lashlarue59]

@@a.b.744 I didn't hear the clicking noise that you described but for me the sounds were all via the speaker; when I used the headphones it was perfect.

[@franksmith541]

The Roland FP 10 has the best action for that price you will ever get. I was floored by how good it is after owning a Yamaha P 45. You have to spend 3000 on a Yamaha digital to get action as good. If you hold a key with thumb and second finger, bring it down a bit and jiggle it, you can feel hammers banging around inside the keys. That is fantastic and gives it an authentic grand piano feel, together with the textured keys - which you never get on other brands of this price. The piano sound on FP 10 is also a lot better. The Yamaha P 45 is no where near as good, and the keys make a rattling sound. With the FP 10 the keys are fairly quiet when playing on low volume without headphones. I know, because when I do a video recording I hardly hear any sound from the keys, but with the P 45 I was hearing loud rattling sounds. I have way more control when playing the FP 10 compared to the P 45, because the latter's action is lighter and no where near as good.

[@neil_21]

I own a p45, and keys are really cheap and the actions wears out over time, there'll more play between the key, like an osmose expressive so to speak. The keybed just has a higher pivot point than a regular entry level keyboard keybed, idk, I wouldn't recommend it, Ep sounds real good tho

[@summerwind3217]

May i ask a Q?

[@kj.xx23]

Petition to bring back Remyyy

[@jochenvoigt6109]

Your nice intro playin on the fp10 is absolutely nice and gorgeous!!! I'm an guitar player but now I'm going to by me the fp10 just cause of the sound and such good price!! Thnx alot!!

[@TheMeefive]

It has no dedicated line outs. Found out the hard way.Ouch!

[@TheSgyro]

Where I live, the p45 was half the price of the fp10 .. so I went with the yamaha.

[@trein011066]

Where do you live?

[@zzush]

tbh the keybed of p45 is really bad as compared to fp10

[@TheSgyro]

@@zzush i prolly cant tell the difference coz im not that experienced.. I’ve not even taken any lessons 😂i just got one to just mess around with

[@sharingmatters]

Great knowledge and hilarious way of explaining stuff :)

[@NiqHowie]

The fp10 felt a lot better to me, and I got it for $600 out the door with the wooden stand.

[@MrNummies]

Where at?

[@iammituraj]

FP10 sounds so synthetic / digital rather than acoustic. That will prompt me to buy Yamaha despite having lesser features

[@geoffwebber8272]

Most importantly they both have that little green sticker on top C...

[@DankePlace]

Jack, JACK, gonna make you jelly, I was in front of a Kurzweil 250 and PC4 yersterday, but something I have never heard of, a Physis Piano?

[@John-fs8be]

Roland rules ❤

[@Rochethegreat]

Costco has the Roland FP10 for $550, bought it today. Came with stand, bench and headphones. Normally $700 👍🏽

[@lalaprice4254]

There's a what in where?! 😮 After obsessing over choices for the past week, I finally decided on the Roland because of the ivory-ish keys but they're currently $200 more than P45 (US). The PF30x is only $100 more than pf10, but the price just keeps going farther away from my budget. It's Thanksgiving week and the P71 (Amazon's P45) just showed up as $500ish with the stand! I came here to look for videos that would help comfort me about not getting a Roland (and this video did!). Costco showing a different model number duped me! Thanks to this comment, I'm headed that way now.

[@lalaprice4254]

Welp, shipping is $90. 😅

[@nicholasforbes1206]

Where did Remy goooo?!!!

[@elcelim8150]

fp-10 sounds more realistic and better for me. Roland sampling is from Steinway, Yamaha sampling is from their own piano

[@joeldcanfield_spinhead]

I realize I'm only hearing my computer speakers, and lean heavily toward the Roland action, but the first chord on the Yamaha took my breath away.

[@TutorIsland]

Nice video and review, thank you! How did you record the audio? Are you playing through the integrated speakers, or are you sending the audio to a DAW or something? I would really appreciate any possible detail about this topic, I am new!! :D Thanks!!

[@davidfarmer2049]

I wondered that.

[@PolarBear-mj9wt]

Is the yamaha or roland more heavy weighted? Thank u

[@dutchprogamer8021]

The yamaha weighs slightly less with 11.5 kg or 25 lbs while the roland weighs 12.3 kg or 27 lbs, so the difference is essentially negligible

[@PolarBear-mj9wt]

@@dutchprogamer8021 oops i wasnt clear enough, i meant the keys not total weight of the piano heh

[@beaupullens7782]

@@PolarBear-mj9wt Oh, in that case they are both fully weighted and equal in that regard

[@davidfarmer2049]

@@beaupullens7782 thats not quite right one is slightly heavier. I cant recall which was round now. I think the yam is heavier but dont quote me on that. you'd defo need to check.

[@beaupullens7782]

@@davidfarmer2049 I've tried both when I got my FP-10, and for as far as I can remember they were pretty equally weighted, with the FP-10 being maybe a little more weighted

[@lalaprice4254]

Maintenance question: Which one holds up better? I need a piano that will survive longer with my rough kids. 😳

[@realdealastrology9]

Keep it away from kids!! You gotta be crazy.

[@lalaprice4254]

@@realdealastrology9 uhh, the piano is for my kids. They're taking lessons. BTW, I did get the Roland from Costco last December while it was $500 with a stand, bench, and headphones.

[@sedan1814]

Roland FP -10 мне понравился, чем проще тем лучше.

[@bassbriar9276]

Bought the FP10. 😢 Has clicking keys... Annoying as hell... But sounds like heaven... You choose...

[@a.b.744]

Noo. Is that normal? 😢 I just returned mine for the same reason. I thought it was malfunctioning because some keys were louder than the others. I'm waiting for a new one. 💔

[@VV-wd5to]

Good evening. Please tell me, have you heard the sound live Yamaha and Roland, where it is better in Yamaha p145, they say, because Roland speakers are down and the sound is muffled or is it not so and the keyboard is clear that in Roland it is better, but for a beginner the first year will the keyboard from Yamaha be enough or is it too soft, and the teacher says the keyboard should be heavy. Thank you.

[@pisderata]

why people doesnt talk about the 30 notes of plophony difference

[@biff247]

which has more?

[@giuseppelentini9140]

The Roland "du-du-da" vocal samples would be the main reason for NOT buying that keyboard.

[@vspatmx7458]

Year of our lord.. Lolz Ur a funny guy

[@BrianAndersonTT]

Come on..... we want to know about the action!!!!!!

[@kubehan]

buy yamaha p125 … or p121

[@ayrtoninchejanampa6874]

El P125 tiene únicamente más teclas, 88 en total, el P121 es su versión de 73 teclas con exactamente las mismas funciones

[@kubehan]

@@ayrtoninchejanampa6874 I gig with the p121👍🏻

[@realdealastrology9]

Anyone with a brain will know that Roland has a much richer and vibrant sound here. Anyone who thinks otherwise should not be involved with music whatsoever, let’s just put it that way.

[@yeoldefoxeh254]

Very different keyboards but both are expensive.

[@JakGruen]

Well it's because they are not just keyboards, but entry-level E-Pianos. There is much more to it, in perspective of the mechanics, than to a keyboard.

[@Imjonbell]

Roland forever! Yamaha is too bright and clanky.