Which Martial Arts Roundhouse Kick is Best?

[@SaikouKarate]

Disclaimer: I don't claim to be an expert in all these different styles, having crosstrained for a few years in them though I feel gives enough perspective to comment on some of the differences I noticed. Even within a single martial art people can throw a kick very differently so there are some broad generalizations made here! If this is not how the kick looks like at your gym, it would be interesting to know the difference! Please share!👊 Thank you for watching!

[@Leonidas3888]

Original content good job. 👍

[@ClickClickDirt]

Exactly for instance I'm an ex Kyokushin fighting champion that has trained in Muay Thai and got a black belt in tkd. What I'm getting out is this guy's only mentioning hisoku kicks, no chusoku so he's only talking about picking with the top of your foot he's not actually talking about all the different ways you can do a roundhouse, because we do head kicks and ribs kicks with the ball of your foot it depends on what the purpose is. he's only talking about a rear mawashi or roundhouse, in 'fighting stance' Taekwondo use a sideways horse riding stands as they're fighting stance so then again if I was doing this kick in kibaduchi it would be exactly the same as a TKD kick, Because of the stance of the Taekwondo style Roundhouse it takes longer to execute so technically it slower but you get a fast and moving strike but the kick has less force (all tkd guys got defeated in the first round in our full contact tournaments) it's a benefit is because as he mentions the low telegraph point. If you want to be a good fighter... Exercise your discipline and train, then get good cardio doesn't matter what you train in. As long as it works for you. you only get one shot at this life, you will be gone longer than you will ever be here. So smile ous

[@SaikouKarate]

@@ClickClickDirt Osu!

[@romalevin999]

I have noticed long ago, that each style’s kick usually fits the best its sport fighting rules. TKD kick is this way because TKD rarely utilizes punches. Muay Thai is like this because MT seeks for powerful wip. Kyokushin is a short range fighting (usually) so its kicks fits this fighting manner.

[@tm114paul]

I was practising TKD for couple years in HighSchool and my kick movement got used to TKD style for long. Due to that, I'm hardly do the other styles nowadays.

[@mortalkomment8028]

I always love those Kyokushin head kicks from a close distance. That's an art in itself.

[@SaikouKarate]

It’s one of the very unique and useful techniques that have grown out of the knockdown ruleset 👊🏼

[@flowrepins6663]

you mean brazilian kick? i like mawashi kaiten do geri

[@kekokash1581]

Me too! they require great flexibility!

[@JackHanma]

Even in your muay Thai kick your kick in a Japanese way. In muay Thai the engagement and the pivot are even more amplified. When you hit your opponent the leg is bent and you're about 45° angle. Each of these kicks has its own utility and are integrated in its own system. But I still think that it is better to learn how to master all of these. Karate roundhouse is more versatile Muay Thai is more powerful and Tkd is quicker. I would add that tkd kick could be effective for combos but more as starter from further away.

[@SaikouKarate]

Appreciate your input!😄

[@szcxp2166]

probably rhe biggest difference in muay thai is not chambering the leg, so kicking with kind of straight from the start. Also when you kick you have to make "Wwwwooowwwiee"

[@Kspair]

I would add that in regarding your combination we would probably use knees instead of kick at this range.

[@erickbong3685]

Agree...the mt kick is in the wrong way...you dont swing the leg..but keep it bend and rotate with the hip..more like swinging baseball bat

[@gerardobarrientos3154]

Taekwondo es más rápido y más fuerte

[@geogbabms8758]

Young man You explained it perfectly. I practiced all 3 arts. Being doing martial arts over 40 years. The truth is all of these round kicks are good. It is not about the kick it is about the proper application. I have used all three round kicks. The sparring rules will determine the application and dynamics of each kick. A square stance is very inefficient in tkd fighting just as tkd bladed stance is extremely inefficient when fighting under rules permitting low kicks.

[@SaikouKarate]

Totally agreed🙏🏻 thank you for watching!😊

[@prvtthd401]

Maybe a good note that there are many more variations like the "sitting" round house that comes up and where you don't turn your hips over as much. Joseph Valtellini uses this one alot through combinations as well as Jin Kazama from Tekken. Different kicks for different situations.

[@SaikouKarate]

Absolutely, I should’ve written that this is more like the average textbook variations. That’s why I added the pinned comment at the top. For sure there are an almost endless number of variations and I neither know them all nor could I fit them into one video if I did 😂

[@wingoreviewsboxingandmma3667]

I like the Kyokushin style out of these 3 the best, but it's good to have all 3 in your arsenal regardless because you'll run into situations where any of these options may be the best at that point in time

[@v.rucciinkmusic8978]

As far as I can remember you have three variations of Taekwondo roundhouse in terms of contact areas for kicks, you can use the instep, the ball of the foot or the shin. The area you use depends on your target and the range you're starting from. You can learn about the variations in the docs, but the one with the instep is obviously the best known.

[@SaikouKarate]

Indeed there are many variations in all of these styles, I am focusing on the “standard” ones that are used and trained the most🙂

[@Abluemoon9112]

@@SaikouKarate the standard taekwondo kick is for sparring. The other two are for breaking.

[@Kzany42]

@@Abluemoon9112 what are the names of the other two?

[@Abluemoon9112]

@@Kzany42 they are still just round house kick. The ball of the foot is used for breaking board. I use the ball to get around people guard. I do the lower shin roundhouse for body and leg kick. Kwonkicker has a nice video m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIioh6lmq6-dY6M#menu

[@Kzany42]

@@Abluemoon9112 thanks

[@adoublelastname9229]

For taekwondo, because it is long range in sport fighting, the combinations are kicking combinations, not kicking and punching combinations. So, a TKD stylist would drop or rechamber the kicking leg and do another kick with the same leg or spin and do a spinning whip kick or tornado kick. Other than that point, this is a good comparison.

[@alvaroprietotorres4508]

Yes. I practice Taekwondo and punchs are better to hit one strong in head or chest. Obviously, you can use 1-2 like boxing. But if the opponent stay so close, not middle, you better use elbows, knees or Hosinsool throws. A lot of people thinks that Taekwondo is all kicks and maybe a simple punch. And that is a mistake.

[@alvaroprietotorres4508]

Kyokushin is so powerful and balanced. In this demostration looks like the best. The 3 styles are probably in top 5 of the best styles. I practice Taekwondo Itf for 1 year and one of my best friends became 3 dan of Karate Kyokushin one week ago. I see very useful that his kicks are good and powerful in all ranks

[@ellefsensbarmyarmy8491]

Interessant video. I dont necessarily agree that the MT kick is the most telegraphed. It’s easy to think that due to the step, but a step don’t mean that there’s a roundhouse kick coming next. The same step comes before a low kick, a knee, an elbow strike etc. Also the kick often comes at the end of a combination. Even though the step is a big part of the MT kick, it’s not always used. The kick can be used at close range, or different angles , without the step, and quite often you can see a combo of a step-in lead jap/hook directly followed by a kick without an extra step. Sort of the same thing is also executed with a cross before the kick. I agree that that a kick where you commit like in MT is higher risk than a snap kick. There’s obviously a trade off between power and effect on one side, and risk on the other. That being said, one of the most impressive feature of a elite level MT fighters is their balance and composure when they either miss their kick or it gets caught. On a final note I would like to add that if you changed your gi for a MT shorts you would instantly kick harder and look way more sexy.

[@Docinaplane]

Nice comparison. For me, the movement of the opponent makes all the difference, to which kick I hopefully, would use.

[@SaikouKarate]

Thank you😄 I see!

[@joedasilva3866]

Excellent video! Would love one featuring a front kick comparison of these same styles.

[@codyjwoods]

This is such a great channel

[@SaikouKarate]

Thanks a lot 😊🙏

[@brekdakbanchamek6454]

This Has Got to be The Most Underrated Kicks Comparison with legimate comparison to each other. Btw The Reason For Leaning back while kicking in Taekwondo is to Avoid Head Kick Counterattacks in Taekwondo Tournaments Muay Thai Literally has the Most Devastating Roundhouse Kick out there the only thing is that It's Very Risky once it Misses it's Target Kyokushin Mawashi Geris are quite solid and practical for Having shin as a weapon although it's Have a Very retraining posture Out there sadly Every Kicks Has It's Own Pros and Cons People Hope you Understand That!!!😊🌄😇💖💯

[@CarlyDayDay]

I don't know if I agree, but I probably don't have a roundhouse kick that fits neatly into any particular style, so I guess I can't really say. I developed a habit of turning all the way though my kicks from muay thai that was frowned upon when I went back to doing taekwondo. That was the biggest difference for me, but I'm unorthodox either way.

[@김갈리]

It looks you are pretty skillful that you can perform another style's kick too. Keep it up!

[@SaikouKarate]

Have some experience training in them before! Thanks a lot! 🙌

[@alexh7064]

Kyokushin kicks without the instep can catch so many opponents off guard. Especially if the fight is close together. Deadly.

[@josephwilson7484]

Keep up the good content!! I learned a lot from this video and those were some beautiful kicks!! OSU!!!

[@SaikouKarate]

Big thanks!🤩osu🤩

[@Mustard_Dispenser]

What kyokushin organization are you part of or came from? Just curious

[@SaikouKarate]

Kyokushinkan👍

[@Mustard_Dispenser]

@@SaikouKarate IKO1? Ichigeki?

[@SaikouKarate]

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[@moisesmiranda1071]

I'm practitioner of Taekwondo (WT) and Kyokushin , i gotta taekwondo and Kyokushin are 70 -80 % the same. Even old school taekwondo one , the powerful era of WT kicks are even more similar and this is due to the only way to knockout someone by striking its head is using a kick in both styles.

[@taekgyeon]

thank you for make this video ! glad to watch

[@SaikouKarate]

🙏🏻thanks for watching

[@prvtthd401]

Can you make a video on deflecting punches? Supposedly, this was what Ukes were originally were designed for. Nowadays they look more like parries, but they should also off balance a person. I'm having a hard time with that especially if opponents don't commit.

[@SaikouKarate]

I'll look into it soon! Thanks for your suggestion🙌

[@seattlesoundisgrunge]

Not sure what you mean Uke's. Like, as in the person receiving the technique? Or as in one of those wooden "wing chun dummies" called Mook Jong? Also not 100% certain what is meant by deflecting vs parrying, but I think I have an idea, so I'll take a stab at it. It's been a few years since I trained, but I used to cross train a bunch of arts (BJJ, but not relevant here) JKD, Muay Thai, Kali, Boxing, a little bit on Wing Chun in the JKD, a little bit of Silat in the Kali. In Boxing/Kick Boxing/Muay Thai there are parries of jabs and crosses, blocks of hooks like covering or stopping it at the bicep with a hand if it's wide and long range and coming in, and something that's kind of like a parry block for upper cuts, aside from just slipping things with head movement. But in Wing Chun (and JKD) there's what's referred to as trapping. That is probably something similar to a block or deflection whereby the person is off balanced, depending on the trap tech.

[@seattlesoundisgrunge]

If the wing chun trapping stuff is what you meant, then I can answer that. You aren't going to trap at longer less committed ranges. Those techniques work in a range that could be described as somewhere between punching and grappling range. For one, the person has to committed for there to be something there to work off of. Otherwise the trapping just stops there and it was just a parry. Two, the key is the center line. That's what the Mook Jong teaches you. You aren't blocking or deflecting things toward an outside line in some kind of circular fashion. It's toward the person's center line. Like the difference between a boxing parry and what in Wing Chun is known as a pak sao. The parry just covers/lightly and barely moves aside the punch by catching it in your hand like a catchers mit. If your hand hits more of their wrist than the fist, like especially if they back fisted or something, that's ok. The pak sao (just look up a video) looks the same with the hand, but you're aiming at the elbow and very much pushing forward directly towards the opponents center line. This has the effect of turning their body off center as the punch extends all the way out, where as the boxing parry, which gives up less to counter off of, also has no effect on knocking the opponent off center.

[@prvtthd401]

@@seattlesoundisgrunge Uke as in receiving attacks, not as in your partner. I ment deflecting as in breaking structure/posture or off balancing people (moving the whole body) and I mean parry as in removing bariers or stopping incoming attacks (so basically moving the arm). I'm trying to understand how Ukes played a roll in older karate systems. I feel like in kyokushin (modern karate) ukes began shifting more towards parries where they just stopped attacks to open up openings to counter. Supposedly, off-balancing was more emphasized originally in other words deflecting. I am aware that people use these terms differently. Many don't even make a distinction. That doesn't matter though because I am not after the terminology or what it means or how you do it. There are many ways, but I want to see a modern karate perspective on "deflecting".

[@seattlesoundisgrunge]

@@prvtthd401 I guess I'm a little confused about the uke thing because you said "that's what Uke's were designed for" as if it were an object, and then you make a distinction between your partner and the one receiving attacks, which seems like the same thing to me. Like yes, my partner, who is currently the one taking turns as the receiver.

[@rodrigotellom]

Good explanation and demonstration.

[@YousifSaif]

Allow me to share my opinion, the Muay Thai kick is not actually a Muay Thai kick in this video it's done in a different way. I believe all the kicks are performed in a Kyokushin way while I believe the Kyokushin close-range high kick is the best among all styles while the MT middle kick is the most powerful if it's implemented in the right way. but overall it's great if you can have the skills of the Kyokushin in close range and the Muay Thai in the medium range with the speed of Taekwondo. Osu!!

[@alexpfeifle879]

I’m a Taekwondo master and I say this analysis checks out. My roundhouse kick personally often comes out like Muay Thai through trial and error when I am kicking hard and Taekwondo when I am kicking fast or further away. Olympic rules for Taekwondo have made it a game of kicking hence why the kicks don’t combo well with punching.

[@SaikouKarate]

Thank you for your comment 🥋

[@kengordon8777]

Very nice research I'm a black belt in tkd and a brown belt in Kyokoshin Karate. I land more frequently and cause muay thai guys to miss..and I been Boxing since 12yrs old ..the problem with muay thai is the kicks are terribly telegraphed seen from a mile away..honestly I use the tkd and boxing techniques more then I use the Karate unless I want to put that Kyokoshin pressure on the opponent..

[@WarLordTR7]

May I ask why you are using mostly tkd over kyokushin?

[@JWinter93]

How about Shotokan Karate?

[@SaikouKarate]

It has a 45 degree chamber like Kyokushin but with more rotation of the supporting foot, and more lean, similar to TKD! It’s something like an middle ground between the two.

[@and12345.conan.]

For taekwondo, my combo is Momtong dollyo chagi (Momtong = the target is the body, dollyo chagi = roundhouse kick) + Back fist (I forgot the name in taekwondo). Fun sharing

[@sabyasachikulavi8946]

Actually the round kick is applied with 3 different angles. 1. Diagonally upward from lower to upper(beginner level) 2. Horizontal with the ground(intermediate to advanced level) 3. Diagonally from up to down in a declined way, most lethal as it hits the carotid artery if properly applied and pulls the opponent to the ground(most advanced level but only if the opponent is same height or even shorter)

[@MzuMzu-nx1em]

Karate is one of the few martial arts with high kicks in the short range

[@debmuhammad698]

I wanna say's, keep respect for all Cz, everything martial art and real practition is a good for self defense & emotional controlling

[@hydameca5828]

Good demonstration..

[@hotpopcorncake]

All of these kicks are my favorite.

[@escrotte]

Very interesting video, the comparison is a good idea. Good work! OSU!

[@SaikouKarate]

Thank you! Osu🙏🏻

[@simonrcarson]

Really interesting. Thank you. Good to think about different ways of kicking whatever your art or style.

[@SaikouKarate]

🙏🏻 thank you for watching

[@simonrcarson]

As an ageing karateka whose hips are a lot stiffer than they used to be, the biomechanics of kicking are something I think about a lot more than I used to, so videos like this that compare and contrast different ways of approaching and using a given kick are very helpful in figuring out what works for me.

[@markmessi9020]

I agree with everything except the tkd style round kick being impractical in combos. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten people with a 1, 2 snap right head kick after hitting them with a few low kicks in sparring. Snap roundhouse to me is the best one for kicking the face

[@SaikouKarate]

It’s not to say you can’t make it work, you can follow punching combinations with a TKD roundhouse but to do that effectively you have to increase make space somehow, either by moving back yourself or moving your opponent back - so that makes it less seamless than the other two. It’s just the nature of trying to use a long range technique at a distance it’s not designed for. Kyokushin kick is also a snap kick 👍

[@tamorajr3773]

For tkd you wouldn't be using the round house with punching. In tkd punching tends to very little to non-existent, it's not the primary strike. You use your feet in place of punches. I used to use the round house to set up spinning back or side kicks, or even spinning back fist or elbow if they didn't back up.

[@Kzany42]

Fun Fact: Choi Hong and Oyama were friends

[@mohammedadrihafizi2787]

All of these are great, only kyokushin have just one weakness, long range. OSU! 🥋👊

[@SaikouKarate]

Osu!👊🏻

[@davildos]

Even not sure if we consider that they don t intend to fight in long range way. Indeed I am sure that they can extend their round house kicks in a effective way if needed. Mas Oyama had a tkd background.

[@ธนกฤตวรรณวาธิกุล-ม8ค]

What you show is very interesting. I'm Thai and I've learned both Taekwondo and Muay Thai even though I've never practiced karate. Who will like or support anything? But you can't just win by kicking the Roundhouse just to win the battle. It depends on the technique of each style and each person, so there is no arguing about which style is better. everything can be art If you practice until proficient, Sawadee(hello) from Thailand

[@SaikouKarate]

Yes, there is no “better” one here, they all have their own strengths and weaknesses and contexts 😊 Thank you for your comment!

[@SleepyCinnamon]

thank you for this, im having a hard time trying to change kicks

[@SaikouKarate]

Glad it helped! What are you switching from / to?

[@SleepyCinnamon]

@@SaikouKarate im not switching necessarily, but im planning to go to my homeland of thailand and am considering taking some muay thai training there. currently, i do kung fu. jow ga(a mix of a few styles) and shaolin mizong. the muay thai roundhouse is quite different.

[@davildos]

Good video. If a tkd practitionner is open minded enough and if he wants to get used of more realistic sparring with a stance more confortable with low kicks, he can swiftly adapt his kicking technique to closer ranges. Besides, tkd full roundhouse kick with the impact with shin such as in muay thai is quite effective. For closer ranges, Tkd practitionners can change their stance and kick such as in Kyoku. Anyway, Mas Oyama himself had a tkd background. Last thing, in Tkd they don t used to push with their kicking leg from the ground. This is also a thing that is more a kind of karate style that can provide extra power with energy saving and low impact on speed. But again, their purpose is points system and this can explain this. Muay thai : when kicking, they slide first to inner or outter side and it compensates efficiently the telegraphed effect and exposition. Their sliding move before kicking is interesting.

[@realemperorkuzco]

There are variations on the TKD roundhouse which does utilize your body weight and the accelerstion of gravity by jumping and basically throwing your entire body through the kick.

[@davildos]

@Emperor Kuzco totally agree. A move as a swift of stance in order to kick. Pretty effective for counterattacks, this accelerates well the kicks. They used to perform it with "pit tchaguy", a narrow, centered form of roundhouse kick I could say. This is great to do this by quiting the center line of the opponent too. So a little jump/slide to the inner or outter direction at the same time.

[@noboolpit]

Obviously the Kyokushin way is the best out of the three.. for you ;-) those kicks are beautiful! You remind me of Kancho Matsui! Osu!

[@SaikouKarate]

Haha 😎 Thanks a lot, that’s a great compliment 🥋 osu

[@noboolpit]

@ thank you for putting out really detailed tutorials! I just got into Kyokushin, and your videos are helping me a lot! Osu!

[@SaikouKarate]

@@noboolpit You’re welcome and thanks for watching, glad you find it useful 🥋

[@geovanealbuquerque9934]

Esse chute de Thai tá um ótimo chute de karatê viu, principalmente com a combinação de socos na linha da cintura oohh Tai um soco que meu professor nunca me ensinou foi esse, socos na linha da cabeça onde a cintura escapular rotaciona gera um aproveito de força para o chute além do que o chute deve passar como um machado cortando um tronco não como um chicote que vai e volta.

[@Kettvnen]

you still got that karate flare on your muay thai roundhouse but still a proper technique and great kicks overall

[@iROChakri]

Do Muay thai kick if you wanna hurt your target. Do TKD kick if you wanna impress the crowd. Do Karate kick if you want a mix of Muay thai and TKD.

[@Kzany42]

taekwondo as always being underrated

[@taekwondobro]

Nice video. You could go on his topic for a long while for more detail but the short video is nice.

[@timothyfreeman97]

I'm not too sure about those muay thai combinations, though 🤔

[@SaikouKarate]

Yeah my point here is not really about the combinations themselves, but the range and dynamics of chaining strikes when using high commitment kicking technique.

[@hybridmaswe]

Very nice topic!

[@SaikouKarate]

Tack så mycket 😄

[@centurionstrengthandfitnes3694]

Everyone has their favorites, so an assessment is rarely, if ever, likely to be truly objective. I personally prefer MT kicks and disagree that they're the most telegraphed. I also disagree that TKD kicks are the fastest and have the lowest telegraphing. I feel the assessment of KK kicks is spot on. But I can only say that this is my truth. Ultimately, it comes down to the fighter's attributes and abilities, and additionally his or her affinities. The best (most effective) kick for you to utilize will depend on how it fits your physicality, how much you've refined it, and the circumstances in which you need to employ it. And do we not tend to gravitate towards the styles that somehow feel most suited to us anyway? Your body is talking to you. On some level, a very physical level, you know what will work best for you. You'll feel it. Whichever path you choose to walk and whatever style in which you choose to walk it, the value is in walking it with full intent and commitment. Respect to all walking that path that way.

[@SaikouKarate]

It’s fine to disagree! We can agree that it’s mostly just down to the individual to find whatever works best for them and their body 💪🏻

[@johnnymaxx9354]

I don't know why I need to telegraph the thai one. I can do it without it. The three of them can be telegraphed or not. If you watch Muay Thai fights, you gonna see that kyoku kick a lot of times because od the distance, even on Tkd for the same reason, but, is very difficult to see variants on a kyoku fighter, because they doesn't train long distance.

[@SaikouKarate]

It is because the Muay Thai kick is a swing. It does not use snapping of the lower leg to generate power, instead you want a wide trajectory and lots of momentum. Without stepping, you don’t utilise the principle of the Muay Thai kick. In fact if you see Thai Muay Thai coaches demonstrate and teach this kick, they often point to “not stepping” as the biggest mistake people make with the kick. Of course there are a plenty of mawashi geri variations in Kyokushin. You have standard mawashi geri as demonstrated here, Sankaku geri, mikazuki geri etc.

[@KevinMK]

I think you misunterstood the Roundhouse kick from TKD ....

[@KevinMK]

The point is not to push as you did in the video ... it's about slapping ! Moreover when you bring back you have to first "rechamber you kick" you don't and with your mouvement you won't be able to do it because you use the hips to bring back your foot ... In TKD you will use Front or side kick to push through But it's very cool to see your idea of the RH kick :)

[@TheAzraf123]

Good stuff

[@SaikouKarate]

Thank you!🙌

[@ZAKU73]

Kyokushin for life. Osu!

[@TheOguzbaba]

Güzel bir çalışma olmuş elinize sağlık

[@happy-nb9jd]

Taekwondo🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵~~

[@yongjiean9980]

To add on - Kyokushin kick is the most powerful as chambering the knee already stores up power

[@pard2397]

nope. they use a whipping motion to be fast and they train to return the leg. in muay thai you are putting much more weight and momentum into your kick and the goal is to go through the opponent. on top the shinbone is stronger than the tiny bones in your foot.

[@SaikouKarate]

Kyokushin uses the shinbone for leg and body kicks.

[@pard2397]

@@SaikouKarate while they sacrifice defense for nearly every attack. it´s still a snap kick.

[@SaikouKarate]

@@pard2397 Snap kick that uses the shinbone. Out of these three it's the safest kick to execute, least compromising of balance and posture.

[@pard2397]

@@SaikouKarate honestly i start to like the discussion. thank you. I agree that the Kyokushin version is very consistent and good in close range but it lacks power and against grapplers or boxers it´s dangerous to get close. In Muay Thai they would probably start clinch. there is is no stop in MT clinch. They knee each ohter until it´s done. My point is that the Muay thai roundhose delivers devasting damage from a save range. I trained Karate and Muay Thai and after i went to Thailand i know the difference. the impact is so intense that the little bit lack of speed nearly doesen´t matter. edit: i once broke a jaw with the Kyokushin Version, other opponent has bitten his own tongue after impact but none of them was going down. i feel it as a dirty trick, not an attack to destroy something. but still effective. Osu

[@ilovehomies]

I thought tkd would be the best for combos. At least itf would

[@SaikouKarate]

For pure kicking combos it’s a different story. TKD does well at that. But for striking combos involving hands it’s not ideal.

[@ilovehomies]

@@SaikouKarate ill agree with that

[@leonardogomesdasilva6126]

Fantastico!

[@mkoo7548]

Osu kyokushin is the best 👌❤🙌

[@khunjamesch5771]

Muay Thai🙏🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭

[@GF-qb3uo]

Totally agree with the minus for using the foot to kick the body or leg. Hyperextending the ankle joint hurts like a mofo, and will put you out of commission.

[@SaikouKarate]

Been there, done that!

[@Sunyayana]

What's your favorite? Are you a Kyokushin fighter?

[@SaikouKarate]

Personally I prefer the Kyokushin kick as my go-to, but they all have their time and place. I am mainly a Kyokushin karateka after all!

[@MegaOnlyking]

Kyokushin has the most powerful and educated kicks... best combination.... Muay thai ones are telegraphed and sport tkd has taken the from fron tkd kicks

[@masrahman7705]

I don't agree with taekwondo, because I'm a WT and ITF taekwondo practitioner; Taekwondo usually uses foot snap and plays step, thanks

[@misaelgarcia2586]

En el taekwondo lo primero que sale al patear es la rodilla, siendo así porque así el contrario no sabrá a dónde irá realmente la si arriba ,abajo una patada lateral

[@SaikouKarate]

Sí, eso es lo que hace que sea realmente difícil anticipar

[@ΑνδρεαςΣαγανας-ω2π]

Roundhouse kicks are the most common kicks practised in combat sports!In my opinion after 25years of training in martial arts these kicks are almost useless in a real streetfight!Front kick to the groin works way better!Personally i think that if someone want to train in a martial art for self defence it's better not spend time at mid and high roundhouse kicks.

[@TinoReyna1984]

There is one thing missing with the Muay Thai combo: you mainly punch the head, not the body.

[@SaikouKarate]

It’s not something I missed, it’s more like something that wouldn’t add or change anything in the example. There are other differences too, like you have gloves the half size of soccer balls but I don’t think that has any impact on this comparison either.

[@SaikouKarate]

@@trevtkd You misunderstand me. I didn't say punching to the head or having gloves or not having gloves doesn´t make a difference in a fighting or self-defense context. I'm saying it doesn't make a difference in the specific example in the video, which only comments on amount of space needed to kick, and time delay between strikes.

[@Ivan-td7kb]

Hmm because you punch to the body that’s why you are standing so close to the opponent, which is why the kyokushin kick would be the ideal kick. This wouldn’t happen if face punches are allowed.

[@SaikouKarate]

Backwards - the reason Kyokushin Karatekas are adept at the close range kicks is because they spend a lot more time in that distance. That distance still occurs in all full contact sports - and that technique is still useful in those contexts. Face punches have nothing to do with the applicability of these kicks, it only serves as a reason for why they are trained that way in the first place.

[@Ivan-td7kb]

@@SaikouKarate I’m not saying that it’s useless, I’m just saying that in fights where face punches are allowed, fighters have more choices which distance they are more comfortable. Whether you’re a brawler who wants to close the distance, or you prefer to be light on your feet and harass your opponent with your superior range, it’s all viable. The rules of Kyokushin kinda funnels you into one style.

[@Ivan-td7kb]

@@SaikouKarate Take a look at Thanh Le, the current featherweight champion in OneFC with a background in TKD and IMO one of the best strikers in his weight class. You can’t fight like that, if face punches weren’t allowed.

[@SaikouKarate]

@@Ivan-td7kb It does indeed funnel you into one approach, but the same holds true for every martial art. Take boxers or Muay Thai fighters etc, they all have circumstances (rules, protective equipment, fighting arena, etc) which shape their style, technique, stance, guard etc. Those styles aren't usually rendered obsolete in another context either, the entire skillset is still usable and brings its own advantages provided you do the required adaptions.

[@soodlorr]

Oh wow Taekwondo got punching combo too hahaha

[@krele5077]

Nice explanation but i could see the japanese resemblance on ur muaythai kick

[@SaikouKarate]

You can take the kick out of the Japanese but you can’t take the Japanese out of the kick 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@rafaelmagalhaes7066]

Muayathai de kimono?🤔

[@SaikouKarate]

Si

[@rafaelmagalhaes7066]

@@SaikouKarate si nada arte marcial tailandesa não usa kimono os tailandeses são rivais do japoneses a eras

[@SaikouKarate]

@@rafaelmagalhaes7066 I am not Thai 👍

[@zenoncebulasty5605]

Fake. In Kyokushin short roundhouse kick isnt exist. Is Mawashi geri (roundhouse) is as the name suggests - in a circle(mawashi), and it is a very sweeping and powerful kick

[@tc47101]

Hay 😄👍

[@novimaulida9679]

And pencak silat...?

[@Kajusz18]

Jako posiadacz czarnego pasa w tkd mogę z pewnością stwierdzić że jest tu pokazane dużo nie prawdy, tkd ma najwięcej możliwych kombinacji noznych i dozowania siły i techniki, niestety dość częstą praktyką karateków jest wywyższanie swojej sztuki walki nad inne

[@madmaster3d]

good video but muay thai is best most power is muay thai roundhouse kick

[@SaikouKarate]

There is no best kick! :) they have different use cases, strengths and weaknesses.

[@MartialArtLife]

Its not about STYLE only...its depend upon USERS as a taekwondo player WE CAN DO MANY COMBINATIONS WITH ROUNDHOUSE ✌

[@SaikouKarate]

It’s mostly about physics. You can follow punching combinations with a TKD roundhouse but to do that effectively you have to make space somehow, either by moving back yourself or moving your opponent back.

[@rafel3980]

KARATE!! 🇯🇵 OSS!!

[@jonasjpm1989]

👏👍

[@SaikouKarate]

🙏

[@shotokankaratedude89]

I mean this in a respectful way. And ik think some of you videos are really good! But as a 4th dan instructor in taekwondo and a brown belt in karate (shotokan) your demonstration of the taekwondo kick are not so good. Taekwondo does not have that angle in their upper body when kicking it's more in one line

[@SaikouKarate]

I appreciate your input. This is how I learned the kick back when I did Taekwondo in Daegu, SK. Though I never did become a 4 Dan instructor. 😅 I checked out some of your videos for comparison, and to me - how you perform dollyo chagi, looks almost identical. I made this side by side: i.imgur.com/HfFOwxw.png What do you think are the big things that set them apart?

[@shotokankaratedude89]

@@SaikouKarate your expansion is good. And when you throw a single kick it also looks good. But when you throw your kick off the punches you angle your upper body forward. That's not what most people In taekwondo do. At least not modern taekwondo

[@SaikouKarate]

@@shotokankaratedude89 The way I look at it, what it boils down to here is the range at which I’m throwing it. I was essentially trying to show what you would have to do to land this kick from punching distance, and follow up with punches after kicks from the same distance. There could be a hypothetical case where instead, after I throw my punches, the opponent chooses to move back - in that case I could use a Taekwondo kick as a follow up normally and more effectively because suddenly I would have the space for it.

[@theursidaepugilist]

@@SaikouKarate Looks almost the same to me other than hands, not to be mean arnt sloppy.

[@kurisutian_deathmetal666]

Mawashi Geri

[@Seu_Lunga]

The Thai demo of combos was terrible, even I with 1 year of training don't do like this, no elbows, no lowkicks, no head punches, it was all kyokushin.

[@SaikouKarate]

You are misunderstanding what's being displayed. There is no demo of Muay Thai combinations. The type of strike being thrown is not relevant in this particular context, since the point made here is about how the distance and level of commitment in the technique, affects fluidity of combination striking.

[@chrisblankenaufulland186]

No knowledge of physics!?! Being done by the the same person, how can the fastest kick with longest Momentum arm not be the strongest?? Doesn't make sense!!! Still good made Video.

[@SaikouKarate]

If you're referring to the TKD kick. IMO, the reason is the momentum generated is not in the optimal trajectory. The TKD chamber is forward, but a roundhouse kick does the most damage when you kick in an angle perpendicular to the target. There's also the difference in posture and commitment. You sacrifice these things to get more reach and control. Thanks for watching!

[@chrisblankenaufulland186]

Thanks for answering! I didn't mean to offend, I apologize, if it sounded like that. I was just wondering, how that fit together in respect to physics. The target is hit perpendicular as well with the 돌려차기, if it's done right, isn't it? Regards!

[@SaikouKarate]

@@chrisblankenaufulland186 Don't worry about it ☺Yes indeed but only at the end do you turn over to hit perpendicularly. Before that, all the momentum in generated in another direction (forward/linearly).

[@robertcarter9535]

First. The Thai fighter will attack your leg before he ever goes for your head. Its much faster. Also you did not demonstrate proper hand techniques for a Thai kick boxer. So of course it took longer to transition Unfair from the get go.

[@SaikouKarate]

On that topic: More commitment will always translate to longer recovery. You can’t have the cake and eat it too.

[@nicholasmessina6406]

Uhh

[@kevinandrews552]

Lack of face punching🤦🏻‍♂️

[@SaikouKarate]

You choose, it’s that or wear massive gloves and hand wraps that change the dynamics of fighting just as much as not having face punches does. We made our choice.

[@kevinandrews552]

@@SaikouKarate You think people who train in Lethwei or Krav Maga will agree with you? I don’t see how your style will defend you in street self defense situations.

[@SaikouKarate]

@@kevinandrews552 Lethwei has large amounts of handwraps to enable them to be able to strike the head without risking major injury to their hands or wrist ligaments. Krav Maga (if they spar at all) certainly don't do bareknuckle face punching without wraps.

[@kevinandrews552]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2K9i2ysq8qahbs don’t be hypocitical when your founder does this plus I’ve watched Fighter In The Wind movie a zillion times.

[@kevinandrews552]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHOqmYaLqLqgbJo Even Icy Mike would disagree with you. Georges St Pierre trained in Kyokushin but does a lot of face punches in the UFC, I’d rather emulate him.

[@housseineelhamidi1586]

Hhh

[@yongjiean9980]

My first martial arts master told us not to kick and punch like Muay Thai. Kick like oriental martial arts like Karate, punch like boxing....

[@bogse]

Propably everyone uses all of those, lol. Why wouldnt you use something that works for some situation better than the other. Martial art that is tight to exact forms is not even martial art, its a joke.

[@SaikouKarate]

That's unequivocally false, 99.9% of the time, you're not going to see Muay Thai roundhouse kicks in a TKD competition, or the TKD roundhouse kicks in a Muay Thai fight etc. These techniques have sprung into meta because they are most effective within their own context. That context includes rule set, fighting arena (open mat, boxing ring, octagon, raised platform... etc), and scoring. Most people will focus on mastering one or at most two rather than multiple. There is little reason to.

[@bogse]

@@SaikouKarate Sorry I wasnt spesific enough. What I meant was in a street fight or MMA fight etc. In those situations you cant think that I use TKD, karate or what ever kick now. One famous MMA fighter said that he studied TKD and karate and he just didnt see any difference between some kicks like sidekick. Of course there are differences but everyone is an individual anyway and all situations are unique so if something doesnt go (and it probably wont) how you were taught in any school in live situation you shouldnt wait and wonder but act what ever kick etc works best in that fraction of a second you have time to act, kick so bad form no one teaches you but if that gives you a moment/chance to run away then it has to be done, no matter what. Thats what I tried to say, didnt mean to cause any harm. Its just funny how different martial arts are in a "fight" which is better when they basically all lead to same goal if you get good enough.

[@SaikouKarate]

@@bogse To be fair many of the base TKD kicks come from Shotokan so that's why they're so similar! Don't worry you didn't cause any harm at all, I understand your point - it's a good thing to be able to be flexible between styles rather than be locked into just a single way of doing things 😄