Which Tartans Predate the Battle of Culloden?

What would YOU choose for a pre-Culloden tartan?
Well, we never thought about it much until now!
What is the oldest tartan?
How many clan tartans date back to the 18th century? Or the 17th century?
How can you tell?
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[@racheltaylor6578]

They found a fragment of tartan in Falkirk that dates from the Roman occupation.It’s in the National Museum of Scotland .

[@ianbaker8225]

Hello Rachel. The Kingdom of Northumbria used to include part of,what is now,south east Scotland hence the tartan,or black and white check is now the kilt for Northumbria. Also known as "Border Check" or "Shepherd's Drab" The sporran has the cross of St.Cuthbert adorning it. And you are right in saying that it was worn in Roman times so predating the conventional tartan's by some 1500 years. A lot of people overlook the Nortumbrian(land) kilt.

[@Linz0440]

They mention it in the video! 3.55

[@moggtheboss3087]

@@Linz0440 3:55*

[@colinp2238]

It is thought that similar patterened material was used by the Celtic tribes of Europe before the Roman conquest.

[@mirandawarner6866]

My maternal lineage is the Scots-Irish of Co. Antrim in Ulster. I think your info on your Ulster tartan says the discovered remnant pre-dates Culloden. I personally love the natural tones and the deeper colors. LOVE your videos.

[@kkane8809]

You and I just might share lineage. McDonald /McAlister/ Crawford all of Antrim, Mead co Ireland

[@rkwave6734]

The MacColls were allies of the Stewarts of Appin and fought with them at Culloden. The tartans of the 2 clans are extremely similar, so probably made by the same weaver.

[@Doonfoto]

From the National Museums of Scotland collection, ‘The Laird of Clan Grant’s Piper’ (1714) & the extremely complex tartan worn by ‘Lord Mungo Murray’ (1680).

[@BrettLeMans]

I first used the term "Urban Camouflage" back in 1989 when describing my then choice of wearing blacks & grays with bold graphic t-shirts and such in my overall personal style...it's been fun to see people use it since. ;)

[@RyanLoken]

Seems like a missed opportunity for that outlander show given the beauty and history of that Fraser tartan 🤔

[@LiqdPT]

AFAIK, that tartan is its own thing. In Edinburgh, I saw a bunch of "Outlander" tartan, and I don't think it's related to the actual Fraser tartans. Created for the show? I don't know...

[@quinntheeskimooutdoors6234]

Thanks for sharing 😊

[@the-kilted-trucker59]

The Muirhead tartan. Not well known since the clan was nearly wiped out at flodden. The personnel guard of the king was Muirhead.

[@RobertBrown-zu2px]

Shepard check.. Also know as border reviver and Northumberland. Shepard tartan dates from the Roman era

[@kennethslayor8177]

According to my late father, the intense reds used in dye and make-up were not available until after the Spanish colonized the New World. That brilliant red came from an aphid unique to Mexico and Central America: cochineal red. Natural reds were more raspberry in Europe before then.

[@bjoeljones]

Not to go 'off topic', however, the glen plaid 'tartan'/check Eric was wearing looked brilliant/braw. After seeing the glen plaid, and the houndstooth tweed in another video, gave me incentive to have kilts of similar styles 👍. Well done. Slàinte🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

Rock with prince Charlie's wig looks interesting

[@tommysmith4952]

Kilts were worn as one piece of cloth. All around the shoulder to the waist. It was for easier walking plus to keep warm. Tommy Anderson

[@jonathantitterton9455]

Drummond of Perth (to specific Drummond of Perth Ancient). Found in an image of John Drummond the 4th Duke of Perth painted 1739.

[@barbaricyawper14]

“Lurg” in Gaelic is pronounced “loork” (the g is like a k).

[@nolawalter6273]

Tartans in Outlander are Not Fraser or MacKenzie. They are movie created in weathered colors

[@stacygirard647]

i do plan on some day get a muted and a wheatered tartan kilt, presently i have mostly modern and 1 ancient(gunn ancient) the other like i said are modern macdonald macleod of lewis(2 times (sport kilt and acrylic) macleod of assynt(was sold as harris though (but there is not the black ledge on the red line making it assynt instead) i have 2 traditional (one i ordreed as such , the other was a error from a seller ( i ordered a utility kilt in that tartan but got a traditional one i contacted him he jus sent me back a utility kilt but got to keep my tratitional kilt(actualy there was several mistake in that order lol so got alot of free stuff lol) i have also gordon dress macdonald heritage of scotland and a black utility kilt what i mean by the many errore her what my order was and what i got instead ordered utility kilt macleod of assynt(sold as harris) black hose 1 kilt pin glengary hat black with hackle and badge a sporrant (leather) a waist coat tartan a tam (black) a 2 pin belt argyll jacket what i got 1 traditional kilt macleod of assynt with fly plaid and broche) 2 hose (1 black one ecrue) 3 kitl pin 1 glengarry macleod of assynt plaid with hackel and badge sporran(that i ordered) waist coat tartan a tam (grey spirrit) kilt belt wiht buckle argyll jacket so he sent back a tam (black ) my utility kilt, and the glengary and didnt surcharge me at all i was very happy of that bargain lol even tho it mean 2 tiem the same kilt i dont care i can wear it twice and dont wea the same kilt) i do have alot of kitl i plan on getting

[@colinp2238]

Rocky should know this, he was there.

[@raymondfink9580]

I think a pre 1740 textile catalog if there are any survivors from a weaver would be a reference

[@danoeb-g418]

I'm a Canadian named Grant, from the same grant clan. That could be an oil painting of my Dad. Right down to the big white beard.

[@seraphim4088]

Hey guys, love the channel. A good tartan for those wanting something from that time would be the MacRae hunting tartan. I read that it was found on the battlefield of Sheriffmuir and became the standard on which many other hunting tartans were based. A side note: I don't know for sure but I doubt Prince Charlie would have stayed with the MacRaes after Culloden since the MacRaes largely stayed out of the 45. I believe that those who did participate fought for the government side.

[@bmack4047]

Either you are a MacRae or you've done your research. The Sheriffmuir tartan is a correct fact. As for the Jacobite uprising, MacRae's were more heavily involved in the Jacobite uprising of 1719 (resulting in the destruction of Eilean Donan). As for the uprising of 1745, the clan did not align officially with the Jacobites but there is unfortunately evidence that MacRae's were present on both sides of the conflict. Sgurr Uaran!

[@seraphim4088]

@@bmack4047 I have MacRaes on my grandmother's side, and joined the clan society last year. Some of the info I got was in their welcome packet. From what I've read, the MacRaes largely wanted to come out in the 45 but were restrained by their chief. It had been a long road to get his lands back after the 15 and 19 and he wasn't keen on risking it again.

[@roberttamatea1996]

Ancient MacKay tartan for me

[@madisennicolekirkpatrick5964]

Muted red and muted green. Like grant red muted or macgregor of balquidder muted

[@Larroparko]

I find this information absolutely fascinating, thank you! Looking for advice as where to start my wardrobe/style upgrade. Or if I would even qualify to do so... Having recently done my ancestry dna I found that with what I'm told is a Scottish last name, Parks that I'm 54% Irish and single digits Scottish and English. Where would you recommend me start my kilt collection? Or is being that much an Irishman should I even peruse it at all? Any advice is welcome. Thanks again

[@rickmoore3730]

I just watched this episode so was late reading comments . If you want to go with your Irish heritage there are nice county tartans available . If they don't appeal to you look at Scottish tartans .You are not bound by ANY rules as to what tartan to wear so pick the one you like the most .That is it . Just go to a kilt store if there is one near you and talk to the sales people or search the net for more info . I can't stress enough to not worry if the tartan is not connected to your family . I have lots of kilts that have no connection to my name .

[@la_old_salt2241]

Late to the party here, but, according to the book, Scots Kith & Kin, it lists the following: Park, Parke Renfrew (Erskine), to Berwickshire 13th c.; S Uist, Macdonald of Clanranald. Parks, would be a spelling variation of Park, Parke. Hope that helps if you still need the help. But as Mr. Moore said, wear what you like.

[@thistlemoon1]

My tartans are Ferguson and Owens(an Irish clan I know)

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

hello everyone,i hope you are fine!

[@raymondfink9580]

I’d do Campbell of Cawdor

[@WhistleLad]

What tartan was Mac referring to tho?

[@relicpathfinder2800]

👍

[@davidguerrero9270]

I am curious, although not on the topic, I have often wonder why it is that of the scotch that I frequently see the distilleries are mostly established in the Victorian era. Is this because there were not "distilleries" in Scotland before this?

[@davidguerrero9270]

@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 Nope

[@morpheusdreamer]

I'm not a whiskey historian but I suspect it's because pre-victorian era whiskey production was more of a 'cottage' industry where people took whatever barley they had left over and made it into whiskey. I believe initially whiskey wasn't even aged because people couldn't afford to have alcohol just sitting around for years. I think with the Victorian age came a much more industrialized approach to whiskey making. I also believe without large imports of barley from places like the USA there just wasn't enough barley production in Scotland to support a huge whiskey industry. You might find this documentary interesting. It was on the TV in Scotland a few years ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g57Kn4iGhbmLrMU

[@desstanbridge8283]

You're not helping. Want to know which patterns and colors were the Mac's that are worn at Weddings, funerals etc. Can't tell me they're and invention and fashion from the 1970's ???

[@doreenochsnercotter6674]

What influence have the Outlander books had in tartans?

[@whiskeyvictor5703]

From what I have gathered, an inclination towards more muted colour-palettes, rather than vibrant, brighter hues. Drab and Celtic don't seem to mix well. 😉

[@DarknessNam]

Clan Menzies red predates Culloden by quite a bit....that’s an option.... Up the Red and White!

[@petermacdonald5332]

Is there any evidence to support this?

[@LiqdPT]

Pronouncing it "Frasier" is killing me. My last name, as pronounced in Western Canada (everything around Vancouver is named after the explorer Simon Fraser) is like "razor" with an "F" on the front. I am REALATIVELY certain this is how it pronounced in Scotland as well (at least, in Edinburgh when I was there last year). There's no "i" in the clan name like the TV show or Smokin Joe that implies that "zh" sound.

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

aye, misspronounciation is cringe most of the time, some are horrible.

[@traildogisla]

As a Brit, You are correct, I wear hunting Fraser tartan and I know people with Fraser as first and last names, England and Scotland, all pronounced as you said.

[@Hsalf904]

In Scottish Gaelic it’s “Friseal” which is pronounced “freeshel”. But in French it’s roughly pronounced “frezzay” so I think either would be correct. In Nova Scotia in my experience people pronounce it like in the video

[@LiqdPT]

@@Hsalf904 in British Columbia (where so much is named after the explorer Simon Fraser), it's pronounced like I heard it in Edinburgh and on the TV show Outlander, with a hard S. But yes, in Toronto one of my bosses pronounced it (more or less) as FRAY-shure.

[@briaincampbellmacart6024]

Is it not possible that they wore different tartans for different occasions? So camouflage tartan for highland warfare and more eye catching tartans for gatherings?

[@lowellirish]

The Graham! Ne Oblis!

[@TheAstilesus]

You never got back to Mac.

[@EvansSecret]

I noticed that too. Was really interested to see what he had found!

[@davejackson3497]

Campbell

[@peterforden5917]

the oldest genuine tartan is from a mummified corpse from Bronze age china....He also had red hair...

[@carnivorebear7716]

Gengis Khan was 6ft tall and red headed. But i doubt he had the hoards they claim.

[@PM-kf7dg]

Sorry to pick, but you lost me when I heard you pronounce the name Fraser (Fray-ser) as Frazier (Frayshur).

[@alanmackinnon3516]

Should have just gone with the Black Watch.

[@petergrossett6763]

Black Watch as based on ancient Campbell. I agree. Not much cop for jacobite lovers

[@theroyalnavy.JW.l.jr.]

What about pig (hog(pig) hair and allsssssssssss colors of that to

[@jamesbond5285]

Does Clan Chattan predate Culloden?

[@shawnmcintosh1574]

I believe so.

[@petermacdonald5332]

No evidence for this.

[@masterchief586]

Fraser

[@mrchappel]

Clan MacLean Hunting, 1587.

[@DavidFraser007]

Please guys, there's no Y in Fraser , unless your name is Frasier. But you are referring to the Frasers of Scotland.

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

yeah, sometimes they mix up names, and dates, etc...

[@bigshoe9130]

Not to be a dick - by why do americans call fraser "frayshure"???

[@whiskeyvictor5703]

The same reason we say ALUMINUM and not ALUMINIUM. 😀