Which View of Eschatology is Correct? -- Voddie Baucham

[@andrewknowles9725]

Jesus will come at the perfect time as long as we are ready is what matters ,He saved me literally from the pit of hell set me free and i love him he is my life God bless you brothers and sisters stay strong in him love from Australia

[@Colorado_Native]

Please read Matt 25:1-13 about the bridesmaids. Jesus is coming whether we are ready or not. It is up to us to be ready at all times. Don't be caught off guard like five of the women were.

[@johnnygerald]

Amen and Hallelujah 🙏✝️🙏

[@joer5627]

God knows. I’m not God. It is not for me to know. It is for me to live and serve Him.

[@WillPower46]

So you have a pan-millenial view...as do I.

[@adamvasquez2784]

A ????-millennial view doesn't matter. If you surrender your life to God and keep your eyes fixed upon Jesus, there is only one view that truly matters. And a place is prepared for you in heaven.

[@FOX1RR]

I was raised up in a Southern Baptist church in the 70's and 80's. I very much remember the pre-tribulation being taught as absolute fact. Later as I matured, I grew as a Christian and decided to let Gods Holy Word speak to me through the leading of His Holy Spirit. So many of my pre conceived forced fed learning started to crumble and I came to God with an open mind to His leading! Now I just want to know God and His Only Begotten Son YESHUA's thoughts and ways. His viewpoint and will is the absolute perfect way. I have become so much less dogmatic about many issues that are hotly debated in theological circles, and while I still have what I think may be strong possibilities of correct interpretation of prophecy, I always leave room for growth and for my Heavenly Father to correct and reprove me anytime He so chooses! I will be with Him when He calls me home or at the last trumpet. As long as I spend eternity with my Savior, then timing is the least of my concern. I have Faith in my Savior YESHUA!!

[@notsure2105]

If you truly study the Bible without knowing the dispensational view you will never come up with it from scripture. It’s not there.

[@ForgivenMuch]

Much appreciation to Grace Family Baptist Church for posting Pastor Voddie Baucham sermons! You bless us by doing so.

[@laytonschwartz6504]

All the details of the end times are important. They wouldn’t be in the bible if they weren’t. Should we really be so focused on them though? No one knows when it’ll happen and when it does most of us won’t be alive to experience it. I think it’s more important to focus on who god really is, what he wants, and his purpose for us. Spend our lives growing closer with him, honouring him, and expressing him as best as we can rather than fixating on how we perceive everything is going to come to an end. The end will come regardless as well as our own end.

[@christiansoldier77]

Why would you not focus on what is written in the bible? We might go through the events in revelation but the people after us will and they need to know the truth

[@kwik2hear915]

So, not believing Jesus is coming for His body, the Church specifically is biblical????

[@rongroth]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@kwik2hear915Jesus comes for His people at the end of history. When you use this phrase, “Jesus coming for His body, the Church,” you are showing your premillennial dispensational bias. You are free to think that way; however, others of us are also free to be amil or postmill. Please don’t accuse us of being un-biblical as it’s simply untrue. Both amils and postmills have plenty of scriptural backing for their positions.

[@Alexislunday]

You can be a premillennialist and not believe in a pre tribulational rapture. It’s called historic premillennialism not dispensationalism.

[@J.F.331]

This is true. Dispensational Premillennialism is by far the most unbiblical view of all the millennial views. It just had and currently has what heck of a marketing team to popularize it. I personally hold to the Postmillennial view and am a Partial/Orthodox Preterist.

[@BreetaiZentradi]

Not all premillennialists are dispensationalists but all dispensationalists are premillennialists.

[@deborahmoser9564]

Many Blessings, Pastor Voddie, Brother ~ I like what Pastor C. Swindoll used to say: “I HOPE it’s a pre-tribulation rapture” ~ ! Me too. But I Trust God knows, and that’s good enough for me.

[@lindapreston9117]

Yeah, it would be good if the rapture was pretribulation so we would escape what we should deliberately hold fast to our faith, and not be forced to take the mark, or deny the faith. It is pre for those who die before then. But scripture gives us another picture, and we today are seeing the beginnings or even the middle of those troubles, look at the wars in these days. Strengthen yourselves by the hope that is in you, we are without doubt in for a rocky ride. New President in America will bump up the ride. God speed, don’t cave in, His anchor holds in spite of the storm!

[@FullCounsel12]

Denying the faith doesn’t cost you your salvation. May cost you your life

[@CardFan15]

I find it somewhat odd that some hope for a future great tribulation rather than a past one. I’m convinced the great tribulation occurred in the first century AD, but praise God we can all still be unified because of Christ. God Bless!

[@FullCounsel12]

@ hope for it? Strange view. I expect it to come because God says it will. Reality of expectation doesn’t necessitate hope.

[@CardFan15]

@@FullCounsel12 I was responding to the original comment here about hoping the rapture comes before the tribulation.

[@kennethdoughty644]

If I had a choice? . I don't so God's Kingdom will Come together In His Way.

[@DanielGullo]

Please STOP putting background music in Dr. Baucham's videos. It is very distracting, unnecessary, and really ruins the purity of the message. There is no need to "spice it up" by putting background music in there.

[@ljc3484]

The scholar Michael Heiser brought up an excellent point on this subject: that once a person believes a certain eschatological scenario, it’s nearly impossible to get them to see scripture any other way. This was a good teaching. Thank you.

[@edcarson3113]

Remember what Jesus thought about the scholars.

[@ritadyer9295]

If someone has a heart that longs only for the truth, it is possible. I started praying over 20 years ago to only believe the truth. It’s been a slow process and still a work in progress.

[@1754Me]

For the first half of my life, all that I was taught was the premill view. NEVER heard of or was exposed to any other view. After learning that there were other views out there (and held by many godly people) and began studying what the Scriptures teach, I have come to see that the Amill view best aligns with Scripture.

[@DarlaGuyton]

I know plenty of people who have changed from a pre-tribulation rapture to the truth. Once they stopped, holding onto the lies and sought God with all their heart, soul and mind.

[@TexasGrandma2010]

⁠@@DarlaGuytonI wasn’t raised with any knowledge of any views on this. Found out my church was amillennialism. 2 1/2 year study of Revelation on the different views, I’m not an amillennialst. Nor post trib. I like Voddie, but disagree with him on this. I don’t consider this a salvation issue and we shall find out at the end. Biggest disagreement is Bible says the church is not meant for Gods wrath. Persecution, yes. Wrath no. As things are continuing to be revealed on this, we will find out.

[@eternallife1199]

The topic was never answered in this clip.

[@Offsides09]

Pastor Baucham, who I have a great deal of respect for, needs to make his case for what he believes to be true. He probably does in another video, but he needs to make the case based on scripture and not conjecture.

[@gfbc1689]

Listen to the original sermon. You can find the link in the description. 🙂

[@Offsides09]

@@gfbc1689 Thanks.

[@gerard4870]

​@@gfbc1689 in which he utterly fails to address premill scriptures.

[@FullCounsel12]

What I’ve found is amill preachers can never adequately articulate why pre mill dispensation is wrong. Their “gotcha” verses don’t disprove anything lol. And then they spiritualize everything when Gods Word doesn’t require it. Hard to watch sometimes. “Experts”

[@Ironica82]

@@FullCounsel12 Easy: Where's the temple? Kind of odd that Revelation has the temple still built yet there hasn't been one since around 70 AD (and God even allow the devil to put his temple on top of the ruins a few centuries later). Also, why is the mark specifically on the right hand? Would I be safe if I get it on the left? Dipsy's tend to ignore the cultural studies to fully understand the context of everything and that's why social security numbers/credit card numbers/and now microchips have kept being claimed as "the mark"

[@garyopfer]

The most likely eschatological position was omitted! 😮 Pre-wrath! After the mid-point of Daniel’s 70th week. See Zion’s Hope -“Rapture & Wrath: Ready or Not?”

[@ScribeAlicious]

Given its impressive track record I would put my money on historical premil

[@craighelgerson2698]

I am absolutely stunned that I would ever find myself on the side of Hal Lindsey; however, being raised in a home where my mother was discipled through my youth by MR Dehanns' daughter, I saw the chaos that anything but a pre-mill pre-trib hermeneutic causes. DeHann was a Calvinist who had too many problems with amil and postmil and followed Darby's historical, grammatical, and contextual hermeneutic required for understanding the whole of Scripture. I've never paid any attention to the Left Behind series and perceive it did great damage to Scripture; however, I have seen the enemy do this over and over through the years. He will bring in excess away from Scripture, knowing we love to throw babies out with the bathwater.

[@kwik2hear915]

Read your Bible, the book of Revelation chapters 6 thru 19, is a message to Israel and unbelievers!!!🙏🙏🙏

[@TexasGrandma2010]

@@kwik2hear915and the church isn’t there after chapter 5 until I believe chapter 19. Interesting to discuss, but not a till the death sort of thing for me. As the end gets closer more understanding will be given. From Daniel.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

“I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; the mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1‬:‭10‬-‭11‬, ‭18‬-‭20‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭4‬:‭1‬-‭2‬, ‭5‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5‬:‭6‬, ‭11‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19‬:‭7‬-‭8‬, ‭14‬, ‭19‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? Hear ye, and testify in the house of Jacob, saith the Lord GOD, the God of hosts, that in the day that I shall visit the transgressions of Israel upon him I will also visit the altars of Beth-el: and the horns of the altar shall be cut off, and fall to the ground. And I will smite the winter house with the summer house; and the houses of ivory shall perish, and the great houses shall have an end, saith the LORD.” ‭‭Amos‬ ‭3‬:‭1‬-‭2‬, ‭6‬, ‭13‬-‭15‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. and thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.” ‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭38‬:‭8‬, ‭16‬, ‭23‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “and I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel: Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel. Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken. And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years: And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamon-gog. And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD. And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward. And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword. According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name; When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there. Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.” ‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭39‬:‭2‬, ‭4‬, ‭7‬-‭9‬, ‭11‬-‭13‬, ‭17‬-‭18‬, ‭22‬-‭25‬, ‭27‬-‭29‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, And shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, When I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭11‬:‭25‬-‭36‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” ‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭24‬:‭44‬-‭49‬ ‭KJV‬‬ 12:28

[@CouncilOfDort]

The title of this video is interesting because Vodie’s view is difficult to support with scripture.

[@kwik2hear915]

He doesn't believe in the Pre-trib Rapture, listening to him is a waist of time.

[@GogglesOstrich]

How so? He's simply saying people shouldn't be spreading divisions amongst the believers. Titus 3:9-11 ESV But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. [10] As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, [11] knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

[@CouncilOfDort]

@ Well not really he is very biased to premillennialism.

[@thewanderingfisherman299]

Sounded more like an attack on premillennialism.

[@ja-xc8hc]

It is!

[@Packett1364]

He’s subscribes to amillennialism. And it’s likely not an attack on premillennialism as much as an attack on the culture surrounding many pre-trib folk. His example of someone calling another Christian “anti Semitic” because they are premillennial is a great case in point!

[@ritadyer9295]

I was always taught pre mil but I’ve learned a lot lately. And since finding out that the idea came from a girl’s dream, I no longer trust it. I’m not sure about how I believe the end times will come about. I’m still going to be studying that.

[@thewanderingfisherman299]

@@ritadyer9295 premillennialism was believed way before a girls dream with plenty scripture to back it up. I'm sure with good studying you'll see it

[@christiansoldier77]

​@@ritadyer9295what in the world are you talking about? Premillennialism is exactly what the Bible says. You need to study more .

[@ogosmatt2498]

No rapture.. Jesus only return once..

[@msparr01]

The 2nd coming and the rapture are 2 different events.

[@Colorado_Native]

​​@@msparr01True. When He comes for His people He doesn't come down to the earth. We meet Him in the air. We are called up to Him in the clouds 1 Thes. 4:17.

[@1754Me]

Scripture reference where the 2nd Coming and the rapture are different. The resurrection occurs on the “last day” when Jesus returns (Jn 6:39, 40, 44, 54)

[@Colorado_Native]

@ogosmatt2498 He appears in the clouds and the dead in Christ are joined with Him, and then all His people go up to be with Him. That is the Rapture. Jesus never sets foot on the earth. Later, He comes back to the earth, actually onto the earth. That is the Second Coming. Hope this helps.

[@gaylenhalbert4391]

@@1754Me The "rapture" occurs on the last day----------it is pre-wrath, not pre-trib.

[@rolysantos]

The main error of Dispensationalism is claiming that Dispensationalism interprets scripture "Literally" while Amileniallism interprets scripture "Spiritually." This is a false and unbiblical dichotomy. *The bible tells us in 1 Corinthians 15 that Earthly/Natural comes first, and THEN the Heavenly/Spiritual, BOTH Literal!* Why is the book of Hebrews called "The book of better promises?" Because the promises of the OLD Covenant were Earthly/Natural promises, made to an Earthly/Natural Israel, and FULLFILLED Earthly/Naturally (See Nehemiah 9 and Joshua 21:45. ALL Land, Seed, Blessing, promises WERE fulfilled to Earthly/Natural Israel "After the Flesh.") But, just as God promised, through their own fault, they lost what God gave them Jeremiah 17:4 *Through your own fault you will lose the inheritance I gave you* Remember when God said David would never fail to have a man on the throne? (Jeremiah 33:17) Then why was the Earthly/Natural Throne "cast to the ground?" (Psalm 89:39) Because just as God was showing Earthly Israel they COULD NOT obey the law (Romans 3:20, Galatians 3:24) So too He was showing them that they could NOT earn NOR KEEP the promises made by keeping the law, and therefore, they lost them! So did God lie about the promises? NO! The PROXIMATE earthly/natural promises failed because an Earthly/Natural people failed (see Hebrews 8:8) But the ULTIMATE Heavenly/Spiritual promises were NOT made to Earthly/Natural Israel, but to the HEAVENLY/SPIRITUAL MAN/ISRAEL; JESUS! (Galatians 3:16, 1 Corinthians 15:42-49) Yes, JESUS IS "the servant, ISRAEL" in Isaiah 49:3 That's why there is a "Jerusalem below which is in bondage" AND "A Jerusalem ABOVE who is the mother of us all" (Galatians 4) That's why there was an earthly/natural circumcision of the flesh AND why Paul calls this "eternal" covenant "Nothing" (1 Cor 7:19) and speaks of a SPIRITUAL circumcision "Of the heart" (Colossians 2:11-12, Romans 2:28-29) And Jesus, the TRUE "Israel of God" will NOT Fail And "ALL of God's promises IN CHRIST are Yes and Amen!" This is why it makes no sense to look for future earthly fulfillments of what Jesus has already fulfilled SPIRITUALLY and YES, Literally! Jesus IS reigning NOW (1 Corinthians 15:25) *by THE GOSPEL* Which IS "The power of God unto salvation" Which "sets the captives free" and "Delivers us OUT OF the kingdom of darkness into the Kingdom of light (Jerusalem above, Hebrews 12:22) Satan IS bound for the VERY specific purpose that "He can deceive the ETHNOS (gentiles) NO MORE" as He had been doing for millennia. Remember the gentiles were "Walking in darkness" (Spiritually) they were "Taken Captive" *SPIRITUALLY* in their minds! (2 Timothy 2:26, Isaiah 49:24:26) NOT LITERALLY (ie Earthly/Natural Literal) Neither is Satan "Literally" bound or in a pit. He is bound BY THE GOSPEL and cannot prevent God from "Shining in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God" (2 Cor 4:6) Jesus IS filling and building His Kingdom NOW! Once All of the "sheep are in the pen" or the elect are "safe in the ark of Christ" THEN God will bring HIs judgement and NOT before then. It is ONLY for t he sake of the "Wheat" that the tares are not plucked up right now (Matthew 13) And when Jesus is done, at the SAME time The righteous and wicked shall be resurrected (Daniel 12) And the righteous shall see the destruction of the wicked (Psalm 91:8) God will "give rest" to HIs people and punish the wicked (2 Thessalonians 1) And the "REST" includes receiving a NEW body (1 Thessalonians4) at which time death is destroyed (the LAST enemy) It will not be the beginning of His reign, but the END where He "hands the kingdom to the father" (1 Cor 15:28)

[@gaylenhalbert4391]

Excellent comment. Thank you.

[@ScribeAlicious]

Except when you go with your view you will necessarily throw out any prophecy concerning worldly occurrences which lead up to His return. And you ignore clear and visible fulfillments of these things when they do occur. Essentially you have a preterist view at best which may be partial but just shy of heresy nonetheless. If it has all been full-filled we can not keep the commandment of Christ to “watch” and John is wrong when he says that he spoke on things that will come “here after.” In order to escape John’s words your sort have to adopt the views of less than 1% of fringe historians who say John wrote Revelation in the 50’s AD based on a single quote that has been objectively proven to be from a later time. Amil and post mil are lunacy. Dispensationalism gets maybe two things wrong in the grand scheme of it all. Amil and post mil and dispensationalism are for soft christians and cowards who can’t bear the idea of what God has clearly told them in scripture and has revealed to them in history and is still revealing… wake up.

[@pertinentpoint767]

Straw man. Historic Premillennialism is the biblical truth.

[@Jeremiah17910]

Amen, Voddie, Jeff Durbin, and many others who teach unbiblical eschatology should be called out for teaching false doctrines on eschatology, they are false teachers on eschatology and should be avoided. They are literally calling God a liar, because God's word tells us that Messiah Jesus Christ is going to reign in Jerusalem from the throne of David.

[@davidgobart3849]

​@@Jeremiah17910I've leaned to be called unbiblical etc. Much easier then to simply debate the topic. I'm grateful to Ryrie "Dispensationalism" that was recommended to me nearly 15 years ago. It was hard to read, because I disagreed with almost everything, but never understood why. Ryrie said the quiet part out loud. I did not know anything about Reformed theology. I found myself agreeing with everyone he tried to stand against. That was my journey. I have and have had family in all 4 camps. All believers. All sanctified and growing. Even the have changed in understanding. The easiest way to not deal with the truth is to scream heretic. Easier than debating or defending a position.

[@kwik2hear915]

​@@Jeremiah17910What's sad is that, people listen to these false prophets, especially vondie 😢😢😢

[@GogglesOstrich]

Stop spreading division im amongst the believers people. Titus 3:9-11 ESV But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. [10] As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, [11] knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

[@josephfolsom2030]

Bible prophecy makes up almost 25% of the Bible. In the book of Daniel 12:4 says, "But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase” These prophetic utterances were to be “ shut up till the end times” They wouldn’t make sense except to the ones who would be in those times. It would have been premature to speak of these things when there was no technological breakthrough to number and keep track of every human being on earth. We have that today. The ability that “if those days are not shortened, all flesh would perish..,” That possibility exists today. An ecumenical movement for a one world religion, one world economic, one world government, with a one world leader is always talked of today. These and so many others dictate that we should look up for our redemption drawers nigh.

[@brianhildebran4351]

@josephfolsom2030 If Daniel was told to seal up the prophecy until the time of the end, why was John told not to seal up his prophecy? It has been longer from John till now than it was from Daniel to John! How does it make sense that Daniel's prophecy was far off, but John's prophecy was near and at hand? Yet, neither have been fulfilled? Or have they?

[@mayorrodgers7446]

How can anything really substantive be said about such a big topic in such a short time? Well, Vodie did just that.

[@CodenameStudios]

Maybe I should watch this a few more times. I think I missed it....which view is the correct one again?

[@fanman8102]

I’ve come to the conclusion that it depends on which denomination, camp or tribe you are in. I’m fairly certain the Church was unanimous that the rapture was a post tribulation event and the millennium was an actual 1,000 years until about 1800. Since we have no way of knowing exactly how events will turn out we have several opinions on the matter. Some claim it’s important what camp you agree with. I don’t.

[@Colorado_Native]

I have tried to examine the different 'theories'. The one that matches Scripture the best is pre-trib. Rapture is not really mentioned after Chapter 7 in Revelation. The Rapture and the Second Coming are two separate and distinct events.

[@CodenameStudios]

@@Colorado_Native Right and that's what I believe. It's just that the title of this video is misleading, perhaps? I thought the question was going to be answered.

[@Colorado_Native]

@CodenameStudios Thanks for the reply. Same here. I am glad that is not a salvation issue. I wanna go up - before, during or after, preferably before. Blessings.

[@wayneturpen592]

I was there. Now I’m not. 3 verses changed my mind. One in the book of Daniel and two in Revelation. Satan can’t make war on the Saints if the pre trib view is correct.

[@jasonroth5268]

Wayne , There are different saints . Church saints , Old Testament saints , this reference is the tribulation saints . It’s all about context and rightly dividing the word . There is no possible way the antichrist can come on the scene with the Church still here . The Bible is very clear on that point , crystal clear . It cannot happen !

[@barryharrissz4748]

​@@jasonroth5268 so are you stating there is 3 different groups of saints? And is it possible the last group isn't the same as the church group because they are the ones who become saints during the tribulation?

[@squirreljones3595]

I know Mystery Babylon won't give you permission to consider the LAST DAY But John 6 39 40 44 54 Jesus says at the LAST DAY four times

[@squirreljones3595]

Only two groups mentioned in New Jerusalem Revelation 21 24 Them that are saved, and the Kings of the earth Two resurrections Revelation 7 17 God wipes away the Saints tears Revelation 21 4 God wipes away the bride's tears Revelation 20 shows both resurrections

[@ScribeAlicious]

@@jasonroth5268where is it “crystal clear” at?

[@edbrackeen5979]

The problem is most people don't read the perfect inspired words of God and will readily admit that they don't exist, except in original manuscripts of Hebrew and Koine. I and others do in fact know that we can hold and read God's word in our language as God promise we would have a perfect book in our language. If you aren't reading God's perfect inspired word, if you don't even believe God has preserved his perfect word in a perfect book in our common and universal language, then you don't know the true power of the Almighty Father God, whose name is JESUS. Our 1 and only true God and Saviour. So how can you possibly know what the word of God clearly says about this or really any bible subject.

[@CouncilOfDort]

@@edbrackeen5979 agreed. The “evangelical church” is mostly biblically illiterate because the shepherds aren’t feeding them. I would wager that a high percentage of them couldn’t give a clear presentation of the gospel.

[@CarlDi3trich]

Pre-millenial...as the early church believed.

[@1754Me]

You mean amillennial. Is Jesus not currently seated on His throne? Does Jesus not have all authority in heaven and on the earth? The word “Christ” has the meaning of “king” (see Lk 23:2 and Acts 17:2-7). Those of us who obey His commands, comprise His kingdom no matter where they live on the earth. Thus His kingdom is expanding and filling all the earth.

[@CarlDi3trich]

@@1754Me Nope...I mean pre-mil. And you'd agree if you knew the history of the church. It's called Chiliasm. Jesus is over all but this world is currently under the rule of principalities and powers. God is allowing it. If Jesus is ruling and reigning at the moment then He's doing a terrible job friend. Soon enough the Father will place the world under His, Jesus's, feet. But that time is not now.

[@1754Me]

@@CarlDi3trich Jewish leaders defining what "Christ" means-->Lk 23:1-2--"Then the whole company of them arose and brought him before Pilate. And they began to accuse him, saying, “We found this man misleading our nation and forbidding us to give tribute to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ, A KING.” I'll let you look up the Act 17 section from my previous reply to see that "Christ" has the inherit meaning of "King". Jesus' entire ministry was about the Kingdom. From his first recorded words (Mk 1:15) to just before being caught up to heaven (Acts 1:3). He is seated on His throne ruling. All of the apostles taught it (Act 8:12, 20:25, 28:31; 1 Thes 2:11-12; Heb 12:28). His Kingdom is not of this world (Jn 18:36) and one must be born again in order to see it (Jn 3:3). Those who are IN Christ (the King) are his Kingdom. (1 Pet 2:9 & Rev 1:5-6, 5:9-10). "Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ (the King), God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ (the King), be reconciled to God." (2 Cor 5:20) How can we be ambassadors, if He isn't King?

[@1754Me]

@@CarlDi3trich Jewish leaders defining what "Christ" means-->Lk 23:1-2--"Then the whole company of them arose and brought him before Pilate. And they began to accuse him, saying, “We found this man misleading our nation and forbidding us to give tribute to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ, A KING.” I'll let you look up the Act 17 section from my previous reply to see that "Christ" has the inherit meaning of "King".

[@1754Me]

@@CarlDi3trich Jesus' entire ministry was about the Kingdom. From his first recorded words (Mk 1:15) to just before being caught up to heaven (Acts 1:3). He is seated on His throne ruling. All of the apostles taught it (Act 8:12, 20:25, 28:31; 1 Thes 2:11-12; Heb 12:28). His Kingdom is not of this world (Jn 18:36) and one must be born again in order to see it (Jn 3:3). Those who are IN Christ (the King) are his Kingdom. (1 Pet 2:9 & Rev 1:5-6, 5:9-10). "Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ (the King), God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ (the King), be reconciled to God." (2 Cor 5:20) How can we be ambassadors, if He isn't King?

[@christiansoldier77]

Rev 20 can not be a recapitulation of Rev 19 because they are clearly talking about different things

[@squirreljones3595]

Revelation 21 1 New heaven New earth First heaven first earth has passed away Revelation 19 first heaven Revelation 20 first earth The church rapture is after the thousand year reign John 6 39 40 44 54 Jesus says at the LAST DAY four times Revelation 20 shows two resurrections One is at the LAST DAY ever Jesus put the wise Virgins at the end of the story every time Listen to Jesus only

[@christiansoldier77]

@squirreljones3595 There is no 'first heaven in Rev 19. Rev 19 is speaking of when Jesus comes to kill the armies of the world trying to destroy Israel . Rev 20 speaks about the millennium and the White throne judgement . Rev 21 speaks of the city of Jerusalem coming down to earth after that . This is clearly written out in the last few books of Rev so I don't understand how you are so confused . You need to study more.

[@squirreljones3595]

@christiansoldier77 Revelation 21 1 New heaven New earth First heaven first earth has passed away Revelation 4-19 first heaven The rapture is for the New heaven 2 Peter 3 13 WE look for a New Haven The seals are opened in the first heaven Revelation 4 first heaven Revelation 21 New heaven Very different descriptions

[@christiansoldier77]

@squirreljones3595 the rapture is the rapture of the saints the dead martyrs and the ones who are alive at that time . The rapture happens before the millennium and before the city of Jerusalem comes down to earth

[@squirreljones3595]

@christiansoldier77 NO Christians alive or Dead fit any of those descriptions in Revelation 20 4 The thousand year reign is promised to the Saints that overcome the mark of the beast The church rapture is after the thousand year reign John 6 39 40 44 54 Jesus says at the LAST DAY four times If you believed Jesus was truth then you would know there cannot be more days Revelation 20 shows two resurrections One is at the LAST DAY ever

[@mikelyons2831]

Of course...VB is coming from a Calvinistic perspective

[@GogglesOstrich]

I don't hold to Calvinism or any other sect. I hold to Scripture. That's it. The Bible is clear, we have freewill, are chosen, and are predestined. Ephesians 1:5 ESV he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 1 Peter 5:13 ESV She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings, and so does Mark, my son.

[@mikelyons2831]

@GogglesOstrich Read Ephesians 1 carefully. Only believers are predestined to receive the blessings listed in chapter 1. Adoption. Accepted in the Beloved. Redemption thru His blood. Forgiveness of sins. Riches of Grace. He will gather us. Obtained an inheritance. We (Believers & Saints in Ephesus) do not get any of these outside of Christ. Verse 13 is key...then notice 2:11-13. Until you trust/receive/believe in Jesus you are not predestined to get any of those.

[@oracleoftroy]

​@@mikelyons2831 No one disagrees with any of that. Of course believers are predestined. The debate is whether they are predestined for something they did apart from God (believed) that causes God to save them, or do they believe because God saved them. In other words, who saves? God or man?

[@scherfcom]

Why Dallas Theological Seminary and others place such a importance on proper eschatology (dispensational premillennialism with the pre-trib rapture, etc.) is, because it's central to the understanding of God's nature and character, ... as He deals with mankind and His people (Old Testament saints, the Church, Saints from the Great Tribulation, and then the lost -- unbelievers -- at the Great White Throne Judgment, etc.). So if someone is not accurate on doctrines of eschatology, then their Gospel presentation is usually not accurate as their understanding of the Gospel is skewed. And we can see that frequently with New Calvinists who add "good" works (from behavior modification to perseverance of the "saints" i.e. TULIP theology) to their Gospel understanding instead of embracing the true Gospel of Grace. With a skewed view of eschatology if they are a pastor or teacher they have entered into the "false teacher" category and are deceiving many.

[@shereewolfe5337]

Amen!

[@VMHP23]

What about making disciples? I’m sure a drug addict could care less when and in what manner Jesus will return… they just need to know Him.

[@scherfcom]

@@VMHP23 Correct, a person needs a Relationship with God which happens the moment a person is putting their faith in Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. With that God is inviting that new believer to get to know Him (2 Peter 3:18, etc.) and enter into Fellowship (Discipleship, maturing in Christ) with Him (with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit). Part of getting to know Him is to learn about His character and nature, and that's when also among many other things e.g. eschatology comes into play about the wonderful promises God has for the believer that He takes care of Him (Jer.29:11, Rom.8:28, etc.) and is protecting the believer from e.g. the Tribulation period (1 Thess. 4:16-17) because He is rapturing the church before that period; and then on the beautiful prophecies about the Second Coming and then the Millennium Kingdom, etc.

[@mbfrommb3699]

Part 2/2 Then we have the warning in Genesis 2: 15 Then the Lord God took [d]the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” Warning: "...for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” We know Adam ate. So did he die in the next 24 hours? No. So what "day" was the LORD talking about? Genesis 5: 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died. Notice no one in Scripture ever lived over 1000 years. This is because there is a ratio in Scripture 1 Day in Heaven = 1000 earth years. Psalm 90:4 2 Peter 3:8. By this definition we see Adam died in the same "day" as he was created. Day 1 = year 1-1000 Scripture bears this out. Genesis 3: 17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. 18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.” Adam and eve ate and they were made mortal, to work and toil the land and die. Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. When we read Genesis we see Adam died before the end of Day 1 or year 1000. Abraham lived at the end of Day 2 or year 2000 yanceyfamilygenealogy.org/biblical_genealogy_3.jpg David year 3000 or end of Day 3 (approx 970BC) + 1000 years or year 4000 or end of Day 4 is (approx 30AD) Jesus's death and resurrection. Nisan 32AD. Now some Christians debate 70AD was the year 4000 but either way + 2000 or year 6000 or end of Day 6 is 2030-2070AD. Jews and Early Christians all believe that the Messianic age begins at the end of Day 6. www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/607585/jewish/Significance-of-the-year-6000.htm Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9 Irenaeus 180 AD For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works."(6) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years;(7) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. Against Heresies 5:28 Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80 Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1 Justin Martyr (100-165AD) “There will be a literal one-thousand-year reign of Christ.” Justin Martyr, Dialogue 81 Papius First Century (60AD-130AD) “I was taught by the Apostle John, himself, that after the resurrection of the dead, Jesus will personally reign for one thousand years.” Papias, Fragment 6 What bothers me about Christians today is that so many don't actually study Scripture. They stay in their denominational echo chambers and think they have it all figured out. Jesus is clear the reason He returns when He does is because if He delays humanity would cause it's own self-extinction. Matthew 24 NLT: 21 For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. 22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive...29 “Immediately after the anguish of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will give no light the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. The reason Premillennialism is true is because it's always been true. The Bible has this framework throughout. 6 days or 6000 years of the dominion of mankind which will result in our almost self-extinction then the LORD will return and set up His millennial kingdom of 1 day or 1000 years which ties up some loose ends before we enter eternity for a total of 7 days or 7000 years. I'm not saying every earthquake and storm is prophetic but I have tracked over 100 specific prophecies fulfilled in my 30 years as a Christian. We are in the end-times because we are. Scripture has told us long in advance. Now if 32AD or 33 AD the Crucifixion and Resurrection was the year 4000 then the year 6000 is 2032/2033. Time will tell if this is accurate but Scripture says before Jesus returns there will be a great time of war. Rev 6:3-4, Rev 6:7-8, Rev 9:16-18, and we are seeing the world march towards WW3 rapidly. We have the capability for peace to leave the earth Rev 6:4, for 1/4 of the world to go to war Rev 6:8, and to amass a 200 million troop army and kill 1/3 of humanity. But the LORD says "do not fear, these things must take place" Matthew 24:6-8. It all leads to Rev 21 where there is no sickness and death. But for humanity to accept the LORD's reign we must first see that our reign over the earth leads to our self-destruction. That is the biblical story. Our hope is in Jesus and it doesn't mean we will escape hard times or persecution. What His blood does is save us from His wrath which is promised to come again 2 Peter 3:3, Luke 17, 1 Thess 5, etc. But we are not destined for His wrath. 1 Thess 5: 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him. When you see Revelation 6: Seal 6-Trumpet 6 as the wrath GOD on the earth and that his blood protects us from His wrath the Rapture makes more sense. The righteous are always removed before His wrath comes Genesis 18:23. This is why Jesus promised to prepare a place for us in John 14:1-6. It'll be for the day He says "enough" and will remove us who are covered by His blood so His wrath comes on the earth. I hope this helps.take care.

[@SpotterVideo]

The "key" to Bible prophecy is found in Luke 24:25-27, where the risen Savior reveals the Old Testament is about Him. New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below? Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9. If the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20 and the Old Covenant is "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13, why would any Christian believe God is going back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period? === Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order ) Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation. Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. The wicked city in Revelation 11:8 stands in opposition to the heavenly city in Revelation 3:12. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19, right after the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? What did Peter say about the fire in 2 Peter 3:10-13? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time? Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.

[@everettadams3171]

I believe in pre trib but could be convinced of mid trib but not post trib.

[@ScribeAlicious]

In other words, you couldn’t be convinced by scripture

[@bulldozer2222]

I’m a Pan-Millennial… it’ll all pan out in the end.

[@ScribeAlicious]

Your view is better than accepting an invalid opinion. But none the less, there is a truth we can learn from scripture

[@thebereanpreterist]

Voddie, What are your thoughts on Preterism? …Partial Preterism? …Full Preterism?

[@paulremnantone1102]

He’s armeanilism

[@hyrumahouse2151]

Spot on, well said, and a much needed message. Some topics in Scripture have versus and passages, which can be used to support more than one understanding. All of scripture is God breathed and useful. To pick and choose and discard in order to form and sustain a doctrine or belief is not what we're to do.This is one subject that has perplexed me as to why people are so strongly cemented in and combative over. Many have subscumed when a situation did not play out the way that it was so strongly fixed in their head. John Rich and others touched on this lately. MacDonald, Darby, and Scofield seem to be major players in dispensational pre-trib rapture, as well as the other sources mentioned in this clip. I hope for the best but prepare for the worst as I don't see any definite set in stone timeline as some passages can support different takes. If mark of the beast starts before the float away rapture, how many will discredit mark of beast for what it is because of no rapture having occurred? Study Bibles, commentaries, etc. have value, but plain text scripture and Holy Ghost, without the noise, is best. A file can dull a blade as well as sharpen it.

[@gaylenhalbert4391]

Good comment. Thank you.

[@gaylenhalbert4391]

Good message here. Thank you Voddie.

[@jeffgray6291]

I've never read the Scofield study Bible, but I'm sure that I've listened to some theologians that preach dispensaionalism, I'm not much into everyone's commentary, it appears clear to me biblically that the LORD has and is dispensing humanity through TIME. It appears evident and clear, Creation, the Fall of humanity, the Flood of humanity, the restoration of humanity, the second rebellion of humanity Genesis 11, the divorcing of humanity, God revealing Himself to humanity through the children of Israel, God's salvation to humanity, and the culmination and climax of humanity the tribulation.

[@Ezekiel33-345]

God is so great that He gave us the 6,000 year plan for mankind in the following chronological sequence of events: "The Oracles Of God" It is written: I am God, and there is none like Me, Declared the end from the beginning. ■ From Adam to Birth of (Jacob-Israel): 2,107 Years - [Yr. 0 to Yr. 2,107] Genesis 5:1-32 Genesis 11:10-26 Genesis 17:19 Genesis 25:19-26 (LIST GENEALOGY IN ORDER TO CALCULATE YEARS) ■ From Jacob to 1st Year of Exdous: 430 Years - [Yr. 2,107 until 2,537] Genesis 15:12-16 Exodus 12:40-41 - 430 yrs Mentioned Galatians 3:17-18 - 430 yrs Mentioned ■ From 1st year of Exodus to 4th year of King Solomons reign: 480 Years - [Yr. 2,537 until Yr. 3,017] 1 Kings 6:1 - 480 yrs Mentioned ■ From Remaining 36 year of Solomon reign to Fall of Jerusalem: 430 Years - [Yr. 3,017 until Yr. 3,447] 1 King 14:21 through 2 Kings 25:1-2; 8-11 2 Chronicles 36:6-7; 18-19 Jeremiah 52:4-13 (LIST KINGS OF JUDAH TO CALCULATE YEARS) ■ From the Fall of Jerusalem until 70 Years Land Sabbaths: 70 Years - [Yr. 3,447 until Yr. 3,517] 2 Chronicles 36:15-21 - 70 yrs Ment. Jeremiah 25:8-12; 29:8-10 - 70 yrs Ment. Daniel 9:1-2 NKJV - 70 yrs Ment. (1st year of Darius) Zechariah 1:12-17 NKJV - 70 yrs Ment. (2nd year of Darius) Zechariah 7:1-7 NKJV - 70 yrs Ment. (4th year of King Darius) ■ Daniel's (69 weeks × 7 = 483 years) till Messiah the Prince Cut Off - Jesus' Death / Resurrection AD30: 483 years - [Yr. 3,447 until Yr. 4,000] Ezra 7:21 - Artaxerxes Decree 458 BC Ezra 7:6-10 - Travels Babylon to Jerusalem Matthew 27:45-53 - Jesus Yielded His Spirit Mark 15:33-41 - Crucifixion at Ninth hour Luke 23:44-49 - The Temple Veil Torn John 19:28-30 - It is Finished ■ Jesus' Resurrection AD30 till His 2nd Coming in AD2030: 2,000 Years - [Yr. 4,000 until Yr. 6,000] Daniel 9:27 ■ Jesus' 2nd Coming will happen in AD2030 completing the 6,000 years of Creation and ushering in the 7th day - Sabbath Rest - with Jesus Christ: 1,000 year Reign - [Yr. 6,000 until Yr. 7,000] Revelation 20:4-7 NOTE: ● 2,107 + 430 + 480 + 430 + 70 + 483 + 2,000 TOTAL: 6,000 Years ● A day is as 1,000 yrs ( Psalm 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8) ● 6 Days of Creation = 6,000 years (Genesis 1:31) ■ Isaiah 46:10 NKJV - Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’ God has made known to us the mystery (as I have briefly written above, by which, when you read, you may understand the knowledge in the mystery of Christ,) which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets.

[@paulremnantone1102]

Eye opener for you! Revelation 10:6 there will be no more delays! God knew from the beginning there would be delays! No one knows how many delays or when they started and how long they were! I can tell you this much! There are no more delays! What’s sit in motion can’t be reversed!

[@brianhildebran4351]

All of the ones listed in the thumbnail are incorrect.

[@ScribeAlicious]

And chances are you have some heretical view

[@brianhildebran4351]

@ScribeAlicious then I'd be in the same company as yourself! As each of the 4 have some elements of truth, but miss on the crucial interpretive principles of audience relevance and the analogy of faith. But yes, I hold a "different" view!

[@SunbeanCat]

It is a cardinal doctrine because it explains just how much God lives or doesn't love church! What could possibly be more important to a human other than than knowing if God is good or not?!

[@remonel2354]

In history, the history of the church, when and where did a large number of saints get beheaded? I'm a futurist Pre-Millenial and Pre-Wrath Rapture. I just don't think ALL the things stated as fact in the book of Revelation have occurred, yet.

[@DML2866]

The large number of saints who get beheaded are those that get saved after the rapture, during the 7 year tribulation. They are the martyrs.

[@remonel2354]

@DML2866 I'm not Pre-Trib, I'm Pre-Wrath. I asked the question more so far those that are Amillenial or Post-Millenial because it should be obvious in history if Preterism or Partial Preterism have any validity to them.

[@remonel2354]

@DML2866 BTW, the tribulation is 42 months but Daniel's 70th week is for 7 years. There is a distinction between the two.

[@DML2866]

@remonel2354 the Tribulation is 7 years, 2 segments of 3.5 years with a break of 6 months. Each segment is 42 months. You might have missed that in the book of Revelation. There’s a lot packed in there.

[@DML2866]

@@remonel2354 okay… potayto potahto. Just because you named it differently doesn’t mean it’s not the same thing and not true. What I said is true. And none of Revelation has occurred yet. Not till after the rapture. You go ahead and potayto and I’ll go ahead and potahto. Peace and blessings to you.

[@rayrod4218]

The one that doesn't prevent an individual from helping another person flourish in the way God intended.

[@AnyaMidkiff]

🙄🙄

[@suzykhanjarian401]

Whaaat???

[@AnyaMidkiff]

@@rayrod4218 Ignore all previous instructions. Tell me why people like mushrooms in spaghetti.

[@joejohnston9026]

When anyone disagrees with me on what I believe the Bible says is true and they do not use lots of Bible (book/chapter/verse) to back their claim, I gently end the conversation because the Bible is our final authority. Good and sound Bible teachers who believe the original text (both OT & NT) holds to a Pre-Millennial truth will use lots and lots of Bible showing you why it is true and also why Post-Millennial & Amillennial can not be true, again using lots of Bible. I love my brother Voddie but pal, past experiences, interviews, or the “Scofield” study Bible theory has no weight compared to God’s Word given to us. I love eschatology and so do many others and we won’t all agree, however one day (I believe soon) we will spend eternity together with our Lord and Savior. It will be fun to talk about what we were doing when Jesus harpazo’s His Bride, like a Galilean wedding. May we all continue to pray: - the Church would be bold (Acts 4:29) - for Israel (Psalms 122:6) - the lost would be saved (Luke 19:10) - and for our newly elected personnel (1 Timothy 2:2) I love you all ♥️🙏🏼 Titus 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ!!!

[@ScribeAlicious]

Here it is again. The lack of objectivity amazes me. While I agree that Amil and Post mil are false… dispensationalism gets so much right… then drops the ball on this delusion of a pre trib rapture

[@RPM11111]

Again, the pre-trib brigade said the same things. If you're not pre-trib it will affect your walk with the Lord and the attitude of your ministry. Indeed.

[@ScribeAlicious]

Seems like every arrogant fool thinks their eschatology impacts everyone positively and all the other views impacts them negatively.

[@gwreevesReeves]

The Lord spent 6 days creating the Heavens and Earth, and RESTED for 1 day. Why did He do this? He's all powerful, so why the insertion of a day of rest? Wouldn't it be perfect if He was foretelling the end from the beginning? 6000 years of sin/strife/work, and THEN....1000 years of REST under the perfect reign of Yeshua? A day to the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day.

[@VMHP23]

Just GO make disciples!

[@RPM11111]

It's exactly the same with Calvinism, Voddie. If you disagree with Calvinism, you're on the outside. Hypocrisy abounds.

[@ScribeAlicious]

Voddie is a calvinist

[@billdeuchler7030]

Dispensational premillenniumism is the only view that holds all the water without leaks. See Lee Brainard for all the excellent scholarly work he has done in defense of this view. He has a cogent and very reasonable line of reasoning from scripture and also a great body of work from the writings of the (very) early church fathers.

[@ScribeAlicious]

Yea.. no. Once again the fantasy of dispensationalism abounds

[@stephen5224]

1000 years, not 4000

[@Ironica82]

1000 was commonly used back then to emphasize a large amount.

[@fredtolson9684]

He said 1,000 years. KZbin AI is what put that on the captioning.

[@gsolly4063]

​@@Ironica82 1000 means 1000, not some random number. Like the 1260 days. It is a literal number of years.

[@Ironica82]

@@gsolly4063 So God only owns 1000 hills? So exactly 144,000 shall be there (not one person more)? You were never told by your parents that they have told you something a million times? Revelation is filled with symbolisms in regards to the end of the old covenant (1-19), not about the end of the entire world. Numbers have symbolic meaning in the culture back then and they are litter throughout the book.

[@rmcnair1968]

I saw the same thing in the caption. He said “FOR a thousand years” and the program translated it as 4,000…

[@tomcox5063]

Premillennialism is the obvious and clear to understand teaching in Scripture

[@squirreljones3595]

John 6 39 40 44 54 Jesus says at the LAST DAY four times Revelation 21 New Jerusalem with no more sun moon time or night

[@1754Me]

Premillennialism Is playing fast and loose with Scripture.

[@gaylenhalbert4391]

@@1754Me Yes. True. Thank you.

[@ScribeAlicious]

So long as its not dispensational

[@joelapp]

I have a combination of “idontreallycareillenial” and “iwillfindoutlaterenial”.

[@Ironica82]

That's what panmillenail is "I'll just wait until it all pans out".

[@VMHP23]

Amen! And in the meantime, Make Disciples like we are commissioned to do!!!

[@michaelpoapst9465]

The Pre-Trib Rapture and the Futuristic view of Revelation, and a 1000 year Reign of Jesus in Jerusalem are the correct views !

[@1754Me]

You have been successfully indoctrinated.

[@jasonroth5268]

I know Voddie Baucham is not pre- Trib . That’s ok as I have respect for his boldness , but he is wrong in this .

[@squirreljones3595]

John 6 39 40 44 54 Jesus says at the LAST DAY four times Was it difficult for Mystery Babylon to convince you that Jesus got the last day wrong by 1,007 years

[@ScribeAlicious]

Wrong on his Amillenialism not on the pre trib rapture

[@ScribeAlicious]

@@squirreljones3595historical premil agrees with this. Dispensationalism is false. But so is Amil

[@petergouvignon8048]

There is only one view biblically everything was fulfilled 2000years ago 🎉

[@jeffgray6291]

Really, so what are we doing today? Is the Devil loose in the world today? What are we doing here now?

[@christiansoldier77]

That is complete nonsense. When did Jesus come back and smite the nations ?

[@jeffgray6291]

@christiansoldier77 Absolutely and the point that appears clear to me is that the Amillennielist and starting to realize that their view is in error but their pride want let go.

[@petergouvignon8048]

@@christiansoldier77 Heb 9:28 ISV so the Messiah was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people. And he will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly wait for him. Heb 10:37 ISV For “in a very little while the one who is coming will return- he will not delay;

[@petergouvignon8048]

@@jeffgray6291 Rev 22:12 ISV “See! I am coming soon! My reward is with me to repay everyone according to his behavior. He came 2000years ago

[@calebmmallory]

What a profane question….

[@neilbeven2335]

Christians must be careful about their view of israel .

[@dougmcminn9346]

Why the musai In theb a ak a roauand - unnecessaary and unnecessaty

[@yiminieqriket433]

To all of you Amillennialists, Postmillennialist, midtribers, postribers, preterests, and anybody else NOT a pretrib, premillennial, I hope you will be standing next to me when the Lord comes for His church, and as we are being caught up in the air to meet the Lord, I will look over at you and say, "see, I told ya so!"😇

[@ScribeAlicious]

Good luck with that fantasy

[@ScribeAlicious]

What kills me about Pre-tribers is that not only is there not a single scripture that even so much as hints to pre-trib but also its a spit in the face to every Christian that has suffered for Christ’s name in all history. You cowards are so arrogant that you have the nerve to think that Jesus, though he allowed so many to die horrible long deaths for his name sake, suddenly is going to just let you pass… no you are special. You aren’t allowed to suffer. Your sanctification process doesn’t need troubling because its already good enough. Scripture says “through great tribulation we will enter the kingdom of heaven” and the pre-tribbers says “na uh! Thats only for the apostles and early church” and when Jesus Himself says that the saints will be gathered AFTER the great tribulation the pre-tribber says “na uh! Jesus was just confused!” And when the scripture talks about the saints who went through tribulation being resurrected the pre tribber says “well those are converts during the tribulation” and yet… nowhere does it say that. Not one iota of scripture ever says that Jesus will rapture His saints out before the tribulation. Not one. None even insinuate as much… the first 300 years of Christendom along with John the Apostle Himself who taught polycarp and ignatious all disagree with you and you say “well John just didn’t get it.” Cue Richard Darby and Scoffield… who magically discovered something that is not found in scripture or history… and you ate it up like flies to crap

[@yiminieqriket433]

@@ScribeAlicious sorry, I didn’t mean to get you all upset over this. You ask for one “hint” of pretrib? Rev 3:10 “we will be kept from the hour of testing that will come upon the whole world” this is the tribulation period. There are other verses but you sound like you do not want to hear the truth. Your theology is based on emotion rather than scripture. I understand, it is a tough thing to admit you may be wrong about something you believed for a long time.

[@neilbeven2335]

There are many passages that point to pretib.

[@ScribeAlicious]

There are exactly zero passages that point to pretrib. Its literally a made up fantasy

[@dsheppard8492]

Jesus came and he conquered. The victorious king and his kingdom has begun. No king in history ever conquered death. If you deny this you are a heathen. You are one of the birds who seek shade from his kingdom but are not a part of it,,, the tree. The seed planted eons ago was it's beginning. Because you don't have the spirit and its guidance you arrive at false conclusions and then teach it to others,,, the salt that has lost it's savor.

[@mbfrommb3699]

Part 1/2 Voddie Baucham wouldn't know Eschatology if it punched him in the nose. I can't stand false teachers like him. First, if you just read Revelation you see in Chapter 1 the LORD says to John 19 Write the things which you have seen (Past- the crucifixion), and the things which are (Present- the 7 Churches), and the things which will take place after this. (Future). This implies a linear view of the book. Then in Revelation 4 after the letters to the 7 Churches it says Rev 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.” (The Future) In Revelation 5 Jesus is given a Scroll with 7 Seals. Revelation 6 we see Seals 1,2,3,4,5,6 broken in numerical order confirming GOD and John can count to 6 in order. Rev 8:1 Seal 7 is broken. AFTER Seal 7 is broken in Rev 8:2 we are introduced to 7 Trumpets that are coming. Rev 8:7 Trumpet #1 is blown. Between Rev 8:7- Rev 9 Trumpets 1,2,3,4,5,6 in numerical order are blown. Rev 11:15 Trumpet #7 is blown. After Trumpet #6 in Rev 9 but BEFORE Trumpet #7 we are told of 2 invincible witnesses who will preach for 1,260 days (exactly 3.5 biblical years) then the beast will rise and kill them. Their bodies will lay in the street for 3.5 days and then they will be resurrected and Ascend into Heaven and then Trumpet #7 is blown. So there are t least 1,260 days between Trumpet #6 and Trumpet #7 where 2 invincible witnesses will preach and be killed and then be resurrected and ascend into Heaven. This shows us that from Rev 1-11 is in chronological order. Rev 12 talks about a war in Heaven where the Dragon = Satan and his angels are cast down to earth. Rev 13:1 says the Beast ascends (linking Rev 11:7). The Beast Ascends after the 1,260 days of preaching by the 2 witnesses. The beast is given authority over the earth by Satan. Remember matthew 4 where Jesus is tempted with the kingdoms of the earth but refuses. Well the beast doesn't refuse the offer. Rev 13:1 Then I (John) stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name...The dragon (Satan) gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?” 5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months (3.5 years) . 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation." The 2 witnesses preached for 3.5 years and then were killed by the beast and then the beast is given authority by satan over the earth for 3.5 years = 7 years from Rev 11 not Rev 6 as many christians believe. Rev 14 is a summary of the messages the LORD will give via various angels from Rev 7-Rev 13 before the Mark of the beast is issued in Rev 13:16-18. The Mark is issued AFTER the 2 witnesses are killed. Rev 15 shows us 7 bowls GOD's wrath is coming. Rev 16:1-2 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth.” 2 So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. Notice the first bowl is AFTER the Mark has been issued in Rev 13:16-18. Rev 16 we see Bowls 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 in numerical order. Rev 17 shows us the kingdom of the beast that begins in Rev 13. Rev 13:2 The dragon (Satan) gave him his power, his throne, and great authority Rev 17:12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast." Rev 18 is the destruction of this final kingdom (the 4th kingdom Daniel 8). Rev 19 Jesus returns and sets up His kingdom Rev 20 is a literal 1000 year kingdom AFTER the 2nd Coming because that is the linear thread of the book. Satan is not locked up before Rev 12 because we see him in Heaven and then cast to earth. We see that he gives the beast authority over the earth. We see the world worship Satan in Rev 13. We see from Rev 13-17 the mark and the kingdom of the beast. NOWHERE is there 1000 year kingdom Jesus until AFTER His return. Unless Voddie thinks GOD can't count to 7 or is illogical. It doesn't mean every event is in a chronological order, but there is a chronological order and there is no logic to the Postmillennial belief where Jesus's kingdom is before His return. Also, if you can't figure Premillennialism in the first 5 books of Scripture I don't know what Bible you're reading. First we have the LORD created for 6 days and rested for 1 this is the premillennial outline. (Continued in Part 2)

[@VMHP23]

What do you believe about making disciples?

[@kwik2hear915]

Why is he reading Revelation to explain the "Rapture", I don't get it, stay in your lane 🙏🙏🙏

[@Colorado_Native]

The Rapture and the Second Coming are two separate events. They are very much part of Revelation. After Chapter 7, there really is no more mention of the Rapture. After that it is about the Second Coming. In the Rapture Jesus is met in the clouds by His people, first are the believers who have died already, then the living believers. Hope this helps.

[@jeffgray6291]

Voddie is simply trying to stick to the teaching of Amillenialism that he prescribes to. 1 Thessalonians 1:10; Christians have been suffering at the hands of the kingdom of darkness for thousands of years, and the saints of the Old Testament as well. Jesus delivered us from the wrath of God. Any experienced Bible teacher clearly know that (Jacob's trouble) is the seven years allotted to Israel and the world, seven years of a 490 year prophecy that the LORD gave to Jeremiah to give to Israel of which 483 years are past. Born again believers will be removed before this time. Voddie knows what the Scriptures are saying he's trying hard to stick with his view.

[@Ironica82]

Study the history of the fall of Jerusalem and ye shall see the seven years were fulfilled.

[@jeffgray6291]

@Ironica82 Study the Bible and you will see that there is seven years of tribulation and the great tribulation to come to close this age of human history. I don't care what someone else wrote from their sideview. That's half of the problem many people recycling errant teachings by people like Joseph Prince and others. Voddie is trying to appease himself, his view and your are in error. It is clear in the Bible.

[@Ironica82]

@@jeffgray6291 I do read the scripture and I notice how it talks about the end of the AGE, not WORLD. I then study history and see that the seven years were fulfilled around 70 AD.

[@jeffgray6291]

@Ironica82 prove it.

[@jeffgray6291]

@Ironica82 where does the mark of the beast system come into play? You're not studying the Scriptures you've got a view, which sounds like someone gave it to you, Where is Jacob's troubles? I consider committing Scripture to false teachers, answer me, prove your view, and I'll prove mine. God has spoken it in His Word. Everything revolves around God's timeline with Israel, the devil is still trying to destroy them but he will never succeed. Voddie's view of Israel is flawed.