Eric and Aaron FINALLY talk Star Wars Jedi: Survivor

[@BlackLightning47]

My favorite line in the game is from Cere: Darth Vader: "You've gotten stronger." Cere: "No, I've only let go of my fear." Awesome line. Great character. Sad to see her go.

[@deshaunfortune912]

Dude, I’m so glad Eric mentioned the choreography with Vader in this game. He never looked more like a samurai when he fights than in this game. This is one of my favorite boss fights in a video game simply because of how cool the movements Vader makes are on top of how fun, exciting, and surprising it all was.

[@n0body550]

I’ve literally argued with people that said this game had “no story” like wtf some people just want to hate anything star wars and i feel so sorry for them

[@TheRoyalFino]

This game made me feel the hopelessness of the Jedi Order in the wake of Order 66 more than any other game. Cal's heart breaks when he sees the hologram of all the Imperial forces all over the galaxy. He had no idea how strong the Empire was.

[@DavidMachiavello]

There's a theory that the reason why Vader is in the bacta tank during the Kenobi series is because he's still healing from his fight with Cere.

[@TessaxMusic95]

Cere’s last words were of her padawans basically. She was mentor to cal and trilla, she says both their names before she dies😢

[@BrittonFilmmaker]

Conversely, Cal's last words when 'dying' to Bode, were his master. "Cere"

[@FluffyJackie]

I think that Ravis let Cal kill him. He craved a warrior's death, but felt, as he said, that there are no wars to gain honor from and that he can't get the kind of death he wants, fighting the empire. But when he met Cal, learned of his actions and fought him, he acknowledged him and felt that Cal finally could give him the warrior's death Ravis longed for, for so long at last. Also: I feel like, if anything, Cal might build his own order (or not even an order but just school for force sensitive children to keep them save from the empire on Tanalor and teach them how to handle their abilities) as he will build it with his experiences in mind, as well as together with Merrin and probably other people he will meet in the future. This would result in a school or order that is way more open minded and varied in it's teachings (so one that is not limited to the Jedi's perception of the force and their ways of utilizing it, but also of the night witches and possibly all kinds of other force sensitive cultures) and will propably also concentrate a lot on dealing with one's emotions in a healthy way and with the help of others as well as morals. While Luke, at least according to what was shown in Boba Fett, seems to build his order after the ways of the old order which (if it won't be retconned in any way) will just result in it's fall once again. Btw: I think Bode not only served as a tool to get Cal to the breaking point of using the dark side, but also as a tool to introduce a child figure, Cal and Merrin have to take care of, which will most likely be a big plot device of the next game without them having to give birth to,- and raise a child of their own to a certain age first. Additionally, I liked Cere a lot already but her giving Vader such a hard time as she did, manifested my massive respect for her and her abilities. Anyway, like I mentioned before, in the end I think Cal's story could be one that emphasizes the misconceptions about the force and what's dark and light and right and wrong by the Jedi Order. And that it ultimately doesn't come down to light sight and dark side but the people who utilize it instead and in what ways. As well as how important emotional balance is, not restrictions, not the denial of attachments but clear (but not inflexible and not stuck up) morals as well as healthy relationships with the people around one and their support. That true connection to the force might not be detaching one self from the Galaxy, but experiencing the Galaxy and forming connections with,- and getting to know the people and cultures within it.

[@SraMacaco]

People (beings) have a tendency to think their way is best. I read Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void and it outlined a great training idea. Each “school” had a different focus, like tech, health, science, etc. A student had to travel to each one and graduate before they were considered a full-fledged Je’dai. To build on your idea, having each padawan spend time at different schools would help keep them from becoming too dependent on a specific ideology and would give them a more well-rounded training experience.

[@FluffyJackie]

@@SraMacaco That would be an interesting approach, I'm wondering how they could apply that during the time of the Empire without getting discovered by them.🤔 Were those "schools" on different planets or on different parts on the same planet? If it was the latter, making that practice work would be tremendously simpler to achieve.

[@SraMacaco]

@@FluffyJackie I was talking about during peacetime. If Cal Kestis, Rey and Ahsoka all started their own schools, you can see how their philosophies might differ based on the experiences they’ve had. And the Je’dai I mentioned traveled to different schools on the same planet.

[@lampshade6579]

The "Jedi Survivor" is obviously a theme, but I wished they talked about it a bit more. The whole story is based around "surviving", which is shown in multiple ways. Aside from the fact all the main characters are survivors of the Empire, but the way they survive and the way the want to do so is what fuels the story. Cal is only surviving, he's not taking time for himself, he's not caring about his health, he's not socializing, he's just fighting the empire and surviving. Bode is obsessed with surviving, he only cares about the life of his daughter, and he'll do anything to make that happen, even completely ignore his daughter. Merrin is truly surviving, survival is about life, and Merrin is living life. She's allowing herself to love, moving on from the horrors of her past, growing as a person and a witch. Dagan is not surviving really, he has already survived, he's the product of when evil survives. He moves on immediately from exiting his bacta tank, to attempting to take over the galaxy. He's mostly there to fuel Cal's fear of letting the Empire go. But Cere is the counterpart to Dagan in this game, she also has already survived. She's not just surviving like Cal is, she had the arc in the first game, she's not living life like Merrin, she's already grown and moved past all her troubles for the most part, she's the product of when good survives. She's focusing on making a future for future Jedi, by restoring the archives, and assisting Cal back to the path he needs to go on. This is also why she dies in this game, she has nothing left to do really in terms of the story. So she gives up her life to fight Vader, and potentially create a better life for others. This is also why Cal here's Cere's voice at the end, and takes up her role as mentor for Jedi. Cal learns throughout the game what it means to live, and moves on, freeing himself of his empire obsession, and becoming a mentor for future Jedi. That acceptance that he has to let the Empire go, cuz if he continues trying to fight them all he'll succeed at is losing all he has left. Making that decision to truly survive, is what was so important.

[@thejedipandaman4313]

GUYS! MAUL IN the third game: We had a different set of bad guys, in addition to imperials in both the first two games, my thought would be to have Cal be part of the reason why Darth Maul’s shadow syndicate has fallen apart by the time we see him in rebels. It also seemed like Maul may have gone up against Vader before we see him in rebels, he mentions knowing that he’s not able to defeat Vader alone. I think it would be cool to see Cal versus Maul and his syndicate, and also vs Vader/inquisitors (maybe the brother who died in rebels who had been hunting Maul)

[@yvonneg4987]

After comming from the tragedy of Red dead Redemption 2, I honestly thought Cal died after that fight with Bode and the story continues now from Ceres POV. This whole segment I was in shock like never before

[@chaost4544]

There's a lot of things to love about the game but one of my favorite things are the random encounters and random characters you meet. I could listen to Skoova Stev's stories all day long.

[@anthonywashington4877]

Loved watching both of you playing! 🎉

[@thedoor43]

The Ravis fight on Grand Master difficulty was crazy hard. It took me 3.5 hours to finally beat him. None of the other fights in the game came close to that.

[@chippewaguy4193]

Great game. Hopefully the third game can take it up another notch like this did from the first game.

[@HelplessTeno]

I'm glad you guys loved the game. The first time I played Fallen Order I was hooked. Finally, a Star Wars game that FEELS like Star Wars. I played it multiple times for a total over 150 hours. I've put about the same amount of time in Survivor. The story, characters, writing, gameplay, it was all perfect for me.

[@DimiusG]

I remember about a third of the way through I started having my own suspicions about Bode, and then another moment happened later on where I was utterly convinced, "No, Bode's a real one, he's in this shit with us." Then he actually DOES betray us AND he's a Jedi. I was floored lol. Amazing game. Killing Dagan so early in the story was a shock too, I thought for sure he was endgame. Also, Skoova Stev 🤘haha. Combo of double-bladed style and blaster stance felt best for me with Cal.

[@LilTimTyrant]

Honestly I always love to hear y’all talk about Star Wars

[@chippewaguy4193]

14:30 I always thought Cal Kestis showing up in Andor season 2 would make sense with the timeline but he would be so out of place in the show even if it’s a cameo.

[@cameronweaver2013]

Would be so cool

[@JKBlackClover]

Why exactly would it be out of place?

[@MyToastyToast]

I’m not against a Cal Kestis live action appearance, but not in Andor. I think Andor should truly be standalone

[@chippewaguy4193]

@@JKBlackClover I just feel like Andor is very street level characters about espionage. Adding a Jedi would in my opinion change that and now it’s something different. Plus depending on when season 2 takes place but if it’s after Jedi:survivor Cal is really powerful and struggling with the dark side and having him in Andor would take too much away from Andor and now it’s about Cal.

[@misshavisham1287]

Cal could only improve the show

[@antony3877]

Would love to see a video like they suggested of comparing their respective playthroughs

[@edgarcardenas1777]

Yessss please get this comment more noticeable so they know what we would like to see!

[@MikeHesk742]

I had the bounty hunt quest glitch, i learned Boba Fett voiced by Temeura Morrison was in the game during the credits, and kept being reminded he was in the game in multiple languages!

[@ketchup016]

I would love to watch you guys play together on easy mode just to check out all the details and Easter eggs. We need to find this game's version of the "Execute Order 66" moment in FO!

[@SamHack7]

Shout out to Cameron for his performance in this game, absolutely incredible stuff, 100% deserving of an award but probably won’t get one because people turn their nose up at star wars. Hope to see him in some live action!!!

[@hawkins347]

The performance category was stacked this year tbf.

[@ItThatLed]

I'm already looking forward to you two playing this together like you did to recap Fallen Order lol

[@TheRoyalFino]

Ideas for the next Jedi game title: The best I came up with is Jedi: Redemption - It's another multi-meaning title that will fit into the theme of Cal dealing with his anger and regret. Maybe this game ties up Cal's story (but leaves an opening for a follow-up with with Merrin and Kata surviving on Tanalorr). If this game takes place another 5 years later; it lines up with the Andor timeline so maybe we will see Saw again and maybe run into Luthen or some connections to what is going on in that show. These games are an excellent way to explore places from the shows; so I would love it if Redemption took us to Ferrix post-Andor to see what the Empire does the city after the revolt.

[@adamsingleton7771]

Man I was so relieved to have finally beaten Vader that the whole Cere sequence being an echo was lost on me. I thought he just got there a second too late but thought it was weird that Vader didn’t attack. That makes so much sense now.

[@PerovNigma]

I didn't mind being restricted to two lightsaber forms, since it added a level of strategy. What bothered me much more was that I couldn't make my lightsaber symmetrical, because the pommel and switches looked different on each end.

[@silenceofautumn170]

One of the most emotionally devastating things from the game, for me, is that everyone eventually leaves the cantina, until it's just Cal, Merrin, Kata, Greez and Monk. It feels so empty and barren, like all your work building it up has been for naught.

[@bashkind97]

They leave? When?

[@prozaur620]

​@@bashkind97 when a star destroyer show up near koboh

[@lchigoKurosaki]

I agree the Gendai part was a little underwhelming, the only really underwhelming fight

[@TheRealBillix]

Man I hope Eric plays the Arkham series..

[@marcsoren7]

If there's ever an older Cal in something that takes place near the end of The New Republic era to post-ST they should consider Damian Lewis

[@sleepycreed4285]

Cal Kestis is easily the best Disney Star Wars character

[@ME3fan]

I'm assuming you're saying this is the best character that has come out "while Disney owns star wars." I don't feel they deserve the credit for that character by any means though. Respawn should get credit for that.

[@sleepycreed4285]

​@ME3fan Yes that's what I meant :)

[@1080lights]

@@ME3fan Yes, of course. "Disney" is responsible for 100% of the bad things and has absolutely no part in any good things. That's how you people tend to operate.

[@k.rider-kun8919]

There's Kanan Jarrus, he's up there for me

[@drake5917]

He's pretty over powered, but other than that he's a pretty good character.

[@HughMungz]

Super late to the curve, but if someone sees this, I hope they agree. I’m very thankful for only two light saber forms at a time, considering whenever a game with a big skill tree makes a sequel, you always have to wonder how many of the abilities you’ll have to regain and they’ll be able to fit more abilities on the controller that’s already taken up fully. So limiting how many forms you can use, really helps with the abundance of extra button-pressing that you would need to do to handle all of the lightsaber forms

[@calebbonebrake6486]

The one this that worries me about the third game is that the game director of the first two, Stiig Asmussen, is no longer with Respawn. I've loved him ever since the original God of war games and I'm excited to see what he does with the new studio he's created. But it does make me worry a little about the next game!

[@Spbatt]

i think the next game will be called "Jedi: legacy"

[@Depth217]

When I fought Vader, I actually tried mimicking what I remembered of Ahsoka fighting him. She seemed to do a lot of fast and furious attacks since he’s slower, and also to try to keep him from doing any stronger attacks and to keep me out of range when he did do them. And it actually worked.

[@cameronweaver2013]

Loved hearing your thoughts on the game. I'm still a bit upset that I caved and watched a supercut of cutscenes instead of watching people I like play the game (my laptop couldn't handle it). Definitely made things more impactful seeing the actial story unfold! I can't wait for the third game and what they do with Cal and the future of his character.

[@calebbonebrake6486]

I never got to do the bounty quest line! Completely glitched out, only could to the first fight at the start. I had to watch the cutscenes on KZbin

[@lampshade6579]

I agree with Eric. I don't know why you would bother introducing a GENDAI into canon, just to have him die so soon and so easily. Literally the only thing that Gen'Dai do, is be strong, and not die. And they scuffed both of those. They didn't even say in trailer like "Oh this guy is a Gen'Dai" for hype, they revealed that in the game. They could have named his species literally anything else, and it would've been fine.

[@jacobburns115]

I personally believe the next game will be focused on Bode’s daughter and will be called Jedi: Master and Apprentice . It’d be a good way to reasonably scale back your powers and introduce new ones and you can play both as master and apprentice throughout the game. Maybe do it GoW Ragnorok style like Kratos and Boy.

[@brennanbarber7469]

It's so funny that other's thought he was dead because I did too lol I thought I was the only one, because they never explicitly say that he's dead, but for whatever reason my brain interpreted the information as him having been dead for a considerable amount of time.

[@TheRoyalFino]

Tanalor def has a possibility to show up somewhere or have consequences in live action in the future; either before The Force Awakens or after TROS. If it's for Rey's new Jedi though; Cal would be 82 years old.

[@DTIII]

Game was cool but I still prefer the story and antagonist of the first game more, gameplay itself was obviously cooler and better this time around.

[@daimonclarke]

I got the last bounty punk glitch. Game completion is sitting at 99% but I have all the trophies.

[@fletch3538]

I’m waiting to do new game plus play through until close to the release date of “Star Wars Jedi: Knight of Tanalor”

[@moddable6921]

Hope you guys play some more SWTOR if you find the time :) think you guys would really enjoy it if you like expansive Star Wars stories and liked the KOTOR games

[@DTIII]

Aaron has played it before.

[@moddable6921]

@@DTIII hence the word "more" as they have said they havent played it much! :) please read my comment again

[@atleastdecent3810]

Can anyone tell me which part of the playthrough, that Eric fought Rick?

[@misshavisham1287]

Likes: dark side powers : dislikes: finding stuff in the chests were nothing but hair styles and saber builds. I’d rather find money or upgrades or skill points . Everything else ruled I loved it

[@JKBlackClover]

I loved Survivor so much despite having one of the worst launches I’ve ever seen. Arguably worse than cyberpunk. There were moments where I literally wanted to drop the game it was that bad. But I persevered because of my love for Star Wars. I just love Star Wars games so much. Video games are my favorite way to consume Star Wars content. Starkiller, Cal, and Merrin are my top three favorite Star Wars characters of all time. I hope we keep getting more amazing Star Wars games like this one. But sometimes it feels like the universe just doesn’t want good Star Wars games to happen. Old republic remake was cancelled, 1313 was cancelled, Outlaws looks cool but it’s being made by Ubisoft so who knows how that’ll turn out, there was a Mando game that was announced and then cancelled within a week, god knows what’s happening with Eclipse. It just feels like the world is out to get Star Wars games. I can only hope things turn around.

[@iisanulquiorrahara8]

There's still hope left for KOTOR Remake, at least. But I hesitate with Eclipse: anyone experienced with David Cage has reason to hesitate for anything he makes on a storytelling level.

[@sleepycreed4285]

I really hope they stick the landing for the third game... the game director for the first two, Stig Asmussen, has left the company so it falls on his team to finish the trilogy.

[@jyrxz4945]

I definitely disagree with Eric on vaders choreography but it was definitely one of the top 5

[@lucasdolding6924]

They just refuse to learn how to pronounce Rancisis lol

[@davidgast3175]

Star Wars Jedi: Forsaken

[@deshaunfortune912]

I feel like the underbaked partner system will be a lot more fleshed out in the third game and maybe you even play as characters other than Cal, like Merrin.

[@Tim_E21]

Next game title is easy: Star Wars Jedi: Guardian. Take it to the bank

[@CharlieHepp]

hmm

[@BlackLightning47]

Star Wars Jedi: Legacy

[@VladsyourDad]

Ran CEE Sis

[@kirschakos]

Loved the game, great story but I hated the platforming to be honest. They should get rid of those or throw half of them out because it's very annoying. Everything else is perfect.

[@theadamabrams]

Fallen Order's ginormous slip-'n-slides annoyed me, but I really enjoyed the platforming/traversal in Survivor. Placing new balloons was the only thing that was a bit wonky for me. Usually when there was "difficult" platforming it meant I wasn't supposed to explore that area yet (e.g., didn't have Neko to jump higher, or didn't have air-dash yet).

[@chaost4544]

The game felt a bit like the Uncharted series in its level design. That's not necessarily a bad thing but it created somewhat of a linear experience outside of Kobah. I hope the next game we get a happy medium between Fallen Order's and Survivor's level design.

[@daveb947]

The final fight was disappointing IMO. I literally said out loud "thats it?". Still, a great game though.

[@theadamabrams]

I'm not sure what else it could have been, though. In J:FO the final fight against Trilla was too hard, imo.

[@daveb947]

@theadamabrams I guess it's just me being so into the game when the final battle happened. I mean, I'm going through it in new game + and trying to unlock everything on my first playthrough save. Trying to 100%. LOL.

[@jeebus2313]

I think JFO had the better story, but the gameplay and customization improvements they made with Survivor make it overall the better game. And for the record don't take that to mean I didn't like Survivors story because that's not the case at all, I just didn't enjoy it quite as much as the first game.