Whiteness: The Meaning of a Racial, Social and Legal Construct

In the wake of Donald Trump’s election and bestselling books like "Hillbilly Elegy" and "White Trash," there is a growing realization that whiteness is as much a social racial and political identity as being African, Latin, Asian or Native American. In partnership with the Jimmy Carter Presidential Library and Museum, JWJI is pleased to host a panel on the evolution of whiteness in American society. Our esteemed panel brings their interdisciplinary perspective to the panel to explain why race-including whiteness-still matters in America. (November 16, 2017)
Panelists:
Richard Delgado, John J. Sparkman Chair of Law, The University of Alabama School of Law, author of Critical Race Theory
David Ikard, Professor of Africana Studies, Vanderbilt University, author of Blinded by the Whites: Why Race Still Matters in the 21st Century
Nancy Isenberg, T. Harry Williams Professor of History, Louisiana State University, author of White Trash
Jane Junn, Professor of Political Science, University of Southern California, author of The Politics of Belonging: Race, Immigration, and Public Politics
David Roediger, Foundation Professor of American Studies and History, University of Kansas, author of The Wages of Whiteness
The James Weldon Johnson Institute for the Study of Race and Difference supports research, teaching, and public dialogue that examine race and intersecting dimensions of human difference including but not limited to class, gender, religion, and sexuality.
jamesweldonjohnson.emory.edu

[@mrcasivan]

Religion also played a big roll in all of this.

[@marcieetzweiler578]

Especially Christianity!😤

[@zeenuf00]

@@marcieetzweiler578 Ever research the Tears of Islam?

[@laurieberry4814]

Ivan, can you or know what slander is and defamation? Maybe you should not believe everything you hear unless you were there. Like I wasn’t with my family who were burned to ashes in the Ukraine. It seems like people in the United States only think about their reputations. It seems narcissistic. This all sounds political. Can’t Robin DiAngelo talk about something more intelligent like environmental biology or how important the rain forests are? She’s just a waste. People need to take care of themselves. But white hatred has gotten so far is that I don’t understand why people pick fights with me that I don’t start and I say that I am going to videotape you. It’s just that I don’t really find this video profound or philosophical. If you think that my opinion is dumb, explain why I received an A in anthropology.

[@jaybrown3341]

@@laurieberry4814 👏🏾 👏🏾...I guess you received an "A" in playing the victim as well...nice

[@cecea665]

No it didn’t! God doesn’t condone any of this!

[@333angeleyes]

I honestly... I honestly don't know what to make of this. I felt like everyone was painting ALL whites as having power and privileges and Nancy Isenberg alone was trying to say, hey not all whites have power; not all whites have privileges. I am an African-American so of course I understood where the other speakers were coming from; especially the black male speaker. It's just that Nancy's approach leads to more understanding and hopefully a better future. But again I agree with the other speakers that you can't give racist an inch or it will spread because the majority of racist people honestly are ignorant to the fact that they are racist.

[@russellwashington6588]

The feminist on the panel actually had the audacity to assert that lynchings done to "protect” white women represent one of the ways white women have been oppressed! That’s the stupidest victimhood grab I’ve even heard.

[@b1prints73]

Right They always try to crowbar their way in discussion about racism against black in America. Like white women didn't inherit their husband slaves..

[@tumblebugspace]

Being blamed for causing the actions of others *is* unjust, whoever it’s happening to.

[@zeenuf00]

The entire victimhood narrative is full of deconstructionist mumbo-jumbo like this. It doesn't end with white feminists.

[@tumblebugspace]

@@zeenuf00 Seems that a dominator narrative seeks to deny the reality of oppression. That’s incredibly narcissistic and objectifying.

[@zeenuf00]

@@tumblebugspace thank you for so unironically proving my point lol!!

[@gerardst.hilaire6140]

It's coming up on five years and we need to have a follow-up discussion with this same panel. Emory University, please try and create space for this profound discussion to happen again with these same individuals. I'm sure that the lives that were impacted by this first dialogue will be greater in the second

[@stacyMighty]

Very interesting

[@normabrien8331]

This is the dark side of the country. Ignorance is so prevalent and only a sound educational system based on true history can with time remedy this part of society.

[@londonbowcat1]

25:00

[@kashmoney7421]

"Nobody holds onto power forever" If you are looking for hope there you go.

[@iretaylor9068]

Yes,my bredren it’s true what you say. Your thought took me to a scary place for our ppl. Kingdoms rise and kingdoms fall but,(in the meantime) b4 the actual collapse,the ppl who have power also live in fear… Blessings

[@CandiceHawley]

@@iretaylor9068 Hence the title, White Fear, by Roland Martin‼️

[@zuazhar1630]

Armenians were categorized as Asian. A second of two judges recategorize them as white in 1909. Then, Assyrians and Jews were included as white and eligible for naturalization.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

Germany was expanding its empire via Turkey using Armenian slaves to build the railroad. So then the CIA Dulles brothers (Nazis) uncle - Robert Lansing - he made sure that Germany would not be punished via international law for using Armenian slave labor as part of genocide. archive.org/stream/pdfy-ei3C44qPKVq7L5ym/Christopher%20Simpson%20-%20The%20Splendid%20Blond%20Beast%20%281993%29_djvu.txt The U.S. High Commissioner to Turkey was Admiral Mark L. Bristol, a man with a reputation as a bigot and a determined advo- cate of U.S. alliance with Mustafa Kemal. "The Armenians," Bristol wrote, "are a race like the Jews - they have little or no national spirit and poor moral character." 16 It was better for the United States, he contended, to jettison support for the Armenian republic as soon as possible, stabilize U.S. relations with the emerging Turkish govern- ment, and to enlist Kemal's support in gaining access to the oilfields of the former Ottoman Empire. Bristol's argument found a receptive audience in the new Harding administration in Washington, whose affinity for oil interests eventually blossomed into the famous Tea- pot Dome bribery scandal....Dulles went on to complain about the agitation in the U.S. on behalf of Armenians, Greeks, and Palestinian Jews. "I've been kept busy trying to ward off con- gressional resolutions of sympathy for these groups."...The U.S., which had been the principal international supporter of the nascent Armenian Republic, withdrew its promises of aid and protection....For a smaller collection of key U.S. government documentation concerning the genocide, see Armen Hairapetian, " 'Race Problems' and the Armenian Genocide: The State Department File,"...the Turkish government rounded up Arme- nian men for forced labor, worked many to death building a trans- Turkish railway for German business interests, then shot the survivors. The government then secretly ordered mass executions of Armenian intellectuals and political leaders in the spring of 1915.

[@liesdamnliesandstatsweird1934]

+ Zu Azhar The only reason that some white people consider Jews and Arabs white is so that they can claim that everyone in the Bible was white, and that includes Jesus.🤔👩🏾

[@kwakoushakur1391]

@LW In What??? B1

[@elaineburnett5230]

Yup, little known history that had all kinds of people rushing to be declared "white" when before they were proud to be part of a ethic culture! In the USA that was not allowed, you had to pick a color...white, red, brown, black, yellow...now of course we have improved so your choice is: white, African American, Native American, Asian American, and Hispanic American...but note , not European American...we still have a way to go!

[@zuazhar1630]

@@elaineburnett5230 “White” didn’t exist, until 1681 in Colonial Virginia. Read, “Birth of a White Nation: The Invention of White People and Its Relevance Today” Jacqueline Battalora

[@ProkofNY]

The perceived link between tanned skin and the working class is not limited to white Europeans. The association of pale skin with high status is still quite prevalent in Chinese culture. Predating the transatlantic slave trade, this has been an issue of class and distinguishing the ruling elites from the working masses (peasants).

[@cosettapessa6417]

@Jeff Spicolli true. And the west has nothing to do with that.

[@analogee6858]

Exactly. It’s a common trope in cultures because pale skin meant you could stay inside and out of the sun when the lower classes were working.

[@CribNotes]

Yes, whiteness has controlled Chinese culture for centuries.

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

While among the Greeks the darker men were celebrated.

[@beingheardmedia6339]

Another note: the comment about the "lonely Asian bachelor" was interesting. My great-grandfather was Fililpino and he wasn't lonely. He married a Black woman and had my grandfather (who looked Latino and had a Latino name) who married my Black grandmother and here we are. I've always been amazed that my grandparents actually managed to get together in the era they did (1940s).

[@peanutbutterjellytime6132]

Latinos dont have a "look." We are all the races.

[@tuckerbugeater]

@@peanutbutterjellytime6132 Many Latinx's are very racist.

[@crogerdickerson7862]

Clayton

[@davidbenyahuda5190]

Perhaps you are unaware that Black people are indigenous to the planet, therefore we are the original philipino. There's a group of them still there,they are Israelites who are called Negrito.

[@pietermctighe9537]

@@davidbenyahuda5190They’re not Israelites. They’re aeta, they don’t even follow that belief and have there own you racist. They’re black but they aren’t the same black as you. Back then, everyone looked what we would call black, but evolved to have different features. Some groups kept those features.

[@habibahas13]

COLORBLINDNESS is utilized as a CONVENIENCE when it's convenient to cover certain nonsense!!!

[@dnitagill7]

Color blindness is a catch word that really means.... I don"t want to see you, in the words of the late T. Shakur, "learn how to see me before you can read me," comes to mind when I hear the word color blind....learn to see my humanity although the 3/5 human concept may cloud another individuals perception of who Iam pretending to be color blind does not work very well.

[@DeRocco21]

@@dnitagill7 no its more of an ideal to aspire to you are distorting the definition through an anachonistic lens to satisfy a preconcieved notion

[@dnitagill7]

@@DeRocco21 I don't think so A D,...I have my own frame of reference and you have your own as well

[@cosmo588]

@@dnitagill7 what way should we see people based on their skin colour?

[@dnitagill7]

@@cosmo588 For me it's not about seeing anyone based on their skin color. The POWERS that be made that decision a very long time ago . The simple fact is the world 🌎 we live in and the POWERS that be have made it relevant amongst every culture there is no place on planet earth where one's (Phenotype) skin color doesn't matter.

[@stacyMighty]

Race in the United States was highlighted for my copper brown skin in 2018- 19 when I saw America from a personal experience as a textile designer.

[@anthonygantt7292]

My question to the panel: how microeconomics and macroeconomic freely used by White's and white power corporation effects the continuation racism?

[@geekmeee]

A question well defined, is half solved. Racism is by design. We have to stop fooling ourselves and admit that racial disparities did not happen by accident, but by design. Not by design? Can you say? George Washington’s slave ownership Thomas Jefferson’s slave ownership Also his ‘Notes on the State of Virginia’ Slave patrols Virginia’s Casual Killing Act of 1705 Negro Act of 1740 or the Slave Codes 3/5 clause in the Constitution Southern institution of slavery State’s Rights (…freedom to oppress & kill black slaves, without impunity) Missouri Compromise Missouri bans Education for Black people Elizabeth Jennings of 1854 (Rosa Parks of NYC) Oregon state constitution 1859 Civil Rights Act of 1870 Story of Frederick Douglass Ida B. Wells Reconstruction (Not) Jim Crow era History of W.E.B. Dubois ‘The Negro Problem' History of boxer Jack Johnson Eugenics movement Ocoee Massacre of 1920 Tulsa Massacre of 1921 Racial Integrity Act of 1924 The New Deal vs the Old Deal (given to Black folks) The Story of Billie Holiday The Scottsboro Boys History of Jackie Robinson History of Jesse Owens The Groveland Boys Desegregation of the U.S. Military 1944 (…but in 2022, 100 yrs later, we are still celebrating ‘Firsts’??) Athena Davis History of Hank Aaron History of Joe Louis “The Brown Bomber” Thurgood Marshall Brown vs Education Story of Emmett Till Rosa Parks History of the Civil Rights Movement New Orleans Four (Ruby Bridges) 1960
Axe Handle Riot of Jacksonville FL 1960 Birmingham Church Bombing The Freedom Bus Riders Medgar Evers Fannie Lou Hamer Selma March across Pettus Bridge Zoot Suit Riots in LA 60s History of Federal Housing Civil Rights Voting Rights Act 1964 COINTELPRO Malcom X Story of Eldridge Cleaver “Soul On Ice” The Kerner Commission Report (…root recommendations were ignored) The MLK March in Evanston, IL Muhammad Ali Story of Arthur Ashe Chicago Mayor Harold Washington History of Black quarterbacks in football Obama back-to-back election w/Trump Confirmation of first Black woman to Supreme Court (2022) State legislation which aims to protect the mythology (fantasy) of the past of U.S. History, by banning discussion of a VIEWPOINT to discover what REALLY happened! This desire conceal one’s true motives has its origins in the Constitution. The pattern and trend of not telling the truth of what ACTUALLY happened in the United States is clearly and undeniably… by design.

[@MindbodyMedic]

I like how they have to explicitly say a ''racial, social and legal construct'' just in case anyone gets any ideas

[@Lmr6973]

Why do these "smart" people can't understand the 3/5 of a person? If they would have been counted like everyone else do they not know what this would have meant?

[@jaybrown3341]

Please explain 👂🏾

[@Lmr6973]

@@jaybrown3341 The south had a larger population than the north. The 3/5 rule did away with this majority thus allowing slavery to be abolished. That's it in a nutshell. It's not what a lot of people want it to be.

[@jaybrown3341]

@@Lmr6973 you didn't explain anything...

[@dsmith6035]

@Lmr6973 The South did not have a larger population than the north. Part of the reason they wanted to start counting slaves as 3/5 of a human is so that they can be counted as part of the population. Prior to that, slaves were considered property. At the time, the South was trying to make sure they had the same amount of states represented in the government and to apply for statehood, you needed a certain amount of people in the population. Because they came up short and had tons of slaves, they started counting the dalves as 3/5ths of a human being to apply for statehood as a Slave State. As the countrymen made their way west and the population grew, the tensions kept growing because the South wanted to keep applying for statehood as slave states and the north wanted slavery banned. Obviously that's what eventually led to the Civil War.

[@albasuperbus7155]

@D Smith That was also a part of it, later on, but you’re still missing the main, original point. The Constitution never declared slaves to be biologically 3/5 human as a descriptive “truth”, rather, it states (explicitly) that such counting of them would apply specifically for purposes of the apportionment of Congressional seats among the states, as determined by the Census (for the House anyways). Slave owners wanted slaves counted as whole people for these purposes to maximize their electoral power, while those with abolitionist sympathies didn’t want them counted at all, to minimize slave owners’ electoral power. In the Federalist Papers, the view is put forth that it’s unfair to treat slaves as full people only when it’s convenient to their masters, while simultaneously denying them the rights of citizens, as the Framers knew the slave owners would. The compromise was a sort of middle ground reached less on principle, and more on the interest of securing consent to the ratification of the Constitution among slave states and non-slave states alike.

[@mp.music.2823]

Giving blacks what they are do Will be a fast start to change things for blacks!!!

[@NoLefTurnUnStoned.]

Due

[@Bezzy911]

@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. due as in owed…. Nothing is free remember

[@NoLefTurnUnStoned.]

@@Bezzy911 He said do not due

[@dashoneconner]

THANK YALL FOR THIS

[@raegold024]

This panel is very candid.

[@londonbowcat1]

35:00!

[@isiahmatthews]

I just want to thank the good Lord for all of our leaders that he have given us to help us fight against these devilish people that hate us for no reason thank you black brother for all that you do may the Lord continue to bless you and to know the tricks of the enemy

[@londonbowcat1]

13:30 foucant Sweden

[@marcomoreno6748]

What is "the good Lord"?

[@analogee6858]

Did the first speaker really not know that the census was in the constitution? She genuinely seemed taken aback and that’s a bit worrisome for a person studying the historical construction of race.

[@katehillier1027]

Video cuts off halfway to put it onto something I don’t want.

[@tyronevincent1368]

Great panel discussion.

[@londonbowcat1]

33:00 who

[@zuazhar1630]

What we inherited from the British was that your status depended on that of your father, but American colonists changed that law to the status of your mother precisely due to African women being enslaved in Virginia in the 17th century.

[@ricardojohnson8679]

There's so much history. No one has all of it. Bottom line we know white people are behind all the bullshit.

[@serpentines6356]

@@ricardojohnson8679 That's a bunch of racist bs.

[@AlexanderStHill]

@@ricardojohnson8679 but it’s ok for this guy to post his racist nonsense … did he keep it respectful

[@AlexanderStHill]

You’re a race hustler

[@elaineburnett5230]

"Largely uninhibited" because Native Americans were ignored, and African Americans (not counted as citizens) were also ignored,,,hence there was "lots of space"

[@imanitrobinson9485]

It has circled back around as class being the defining social construct over race once again.

[@mr4533]

Only is one, the Human Race.

[@imanitrobinson9485]

@@mr4533 yeah. Tell our government that

[@zeenuf00]

the concept of 'social construct' is nonsense

[@DarleneAnderson]

Reality is we are all Americans

[@user-up3xh4pu2j]

So when do I get my God mode cheats Ave played the game

[@lillianduncan4468]

Very interesting debate

[@jwthompson84]

So, what is the plan to fix things broken, plan, plan, plan???

[@2011Bennett]

Fantastic discussion, thank you for sharing a video of the event. I hope there will be more panels on critical whiteness studies in the future.

[@zeenuf00]

There's no such thing as 'whiteness'

[@mr4533]

@@zeenuf00Lying satanic demon voice response thru this human mouth !!!

[@new-ancient]

What is critical about being born white?

[@rizswitheral6304]

18:30 (Start of legal construction of race)

[@imanitrobinson9485]

The feminist has no idea how annoying she sounds to a black woman, attempting to explain her victimization. I’m doing my absolute best to empathize.

[@imanitrobinson9485]

“I’m tired of being protected. I never get to do what I want.” Yes I’m criticizing and I am a woman...

[@imanitrobinson9485]

The fact the white woman must prove she is a victim, and a black woman is ostracized for speaking up about being discriminated against, always given the advice, “don’t be a victim.” - We’re being white privileged.

[@jesi3930]

She's a preservationist of primitive ideals. Additionally, she drops a knowledge bomb about a topic but is unable to fully analyze and interpret. She sees it through a narrow lens. I'll assume her book mirrors that; this, it'll go cardboard.

[@kerrysiah1180]

Good Panel , Good Job!!

[@jyronav3159]

You speak the truth of Trump showing the mirror to white supremacy in their white household!!

[@lesliemcclinton7844]

Do Asians ask why they dominate admissions to places like Harvard?

[@QuatMan]

They know why. They do nothing but study for entrance exams at the behest of domineering parents.

[@nephilimpower1351]

Split up the white category and try again

[@jesi3930]

Jane and David were a bit muted because they are navigating themselves in a country that aesthetically identifies them and treats them based on those values. As educators, they have the real life experience and historic context that differently fuels their consciousness. Thus, they are unable to really dissect this topic to give us the sustenance that is needed.

[@nouseforaname.1364]

Hmmm I wonder if they'll do a panel on "blackness?"

[@JuliaHoliday]

Why would they do a discussion on blackness when blackness isn’t actively oppressing the entire fucking world?

[@allenwalker4976]

Yikes

[@kappadarwin9476]

Blackness only really held meaning when compared to Whiteness. You didn't really see African Americans put such important on blackness unlike you see with White people with whiteness. There were laws and atrocities committed in the name of Whiteness for no other reason than to control the majority, to distract them from the inequality that was made by society.

[@krzysztofsaa2997]

@@JuliaHoliday Whiteness as a term is racist and idiotic in the same time. Claim that white people had it easier and better is a lie. I am a Pole and you will not find any nation or group that sufferred more tha Poles did. We were enslaved invaded by Mongols Tatars Turks Russians Swedes Germans. We had a WW1 and WW2 destroying our country to the ground, we had been exterminated , shot , sent to death camps and Syberia. We have lost our country for 123 years and were not even allowed to speak Polish. Our kids were taken away and raise as Turks or Germans. We sufferd Nazi German rule and Communist USSR rule. I am a Pole and white and proud of it and I will laugh in the face of anyone who will tell me I have a privilege.... You people with your Critical Race Theory are insane and know nothing about history... Clueless band.

[@krzysztofsaa2997]

@@kappadarwin9476 If you really belive it you are brainwashed to the core.....

[@roy5163]

It's ok to be white! No guilt 😁🖐

[@Sonturist]

It’s ok to be human

[@zeenuf00]

@@Sonturist and white

[@veronicaconey3107]

At about 1:22.14 to answer your question its insecurities, the people that act like that is very insecure of themselves, not everyone is like that though.

[@apym3667]

It was great to have a Black female moderator, but there needed to be a Black woman speaker as well as a Native American on the panel.

[@lorebay2593]

Yes, next time let Kaniesha, Tameka and Pocahontas (real one, not Warren as they call her) speak.

[@thusimpin]

What is the role of “whiteness” in our society?

[@JohnLee-ew3pc]

To wake the world up to the degree in which evil can encompass an entire planet and paint itself as good

[@mr4533]

Who allows thisAns. Money Power Control Domination, Rule ? Why is the Almighty God still allowing it ? When all mankind is created equal ? Seems like a generation curse is happening or something else is causing on kind of humans to continue dominating on God's planet earth !

[@serpentines6356]

The word is BS.

[@jamesmoore4397]

It's a made up term to shame people who are perceived as having more power than another...or power at all. Passive aggressive tribalism.

[@davidsamuels6734]

To commit evil on earth and mask it as goodness.

[@lillieholmes4521]

Very interesting

[@juanitagarces656]

Right on the onset of the discussion, the black gentleman was restless when the Asian woman started speaking, he couldn't sit still. It's understandable how he was the next to speak. In America when the government was created which was brought over by the British, exactly like the second woman speaking was saying. She touched on key points that I would agree on. It started with whiteness in America and that is how everything started n was measured. Really interesting to get all of their perspectives from their racial view point, then an now. I've only heard a small amount of the discussion, which was the beginning. Should of saved my comments till the end, hope to get back to listening more of this discussion, got busy. ✌️

[@lorebay2593]

He was restless and seemingly bored when every other person spoke, not just the Asian women.

[@reneakan]

quoting my man G Tate is respect. ✊🏿💪🏿 thanks.

[@londonbowcat1]

Everything but the burden!!!

[@truthbetold255]

Oh its all starting to make sense now. All that griping they are doing would be eliminated if they had just kept abiding by the naturalization act of 1790 !

[@whisper2284]

No, that wasn’t working either because America had an industrial revolution that required a large number of workers. Once the U.S. passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it could no longer legally underpay its low wage workers, namely the African Americans, subsistence wages. That is why Congress immediately passed the 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act that allowed increased immigration from around the world. The U.S. changed the naturalization act or immigration law to incentivize foreign born workers from the less desirable countries to emigrate here. Many British, German, and French peoples were experiencing a economic boom in their own countries and stopped no longer wanted to relocate to America.

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

@@whisper2284well said.

[@jamesmoore4397]

You can't have these conversations about race without massive generalizations. You can sprinkle in historical facts, statistics and maybe some biology but it will never define the individual.

[@noirsaba]

Difining the individual is not the objective. Individuals move in groups. The groups general definition is what's operative.

[@jamesmoore4397]

@@noirsaba who's objective? Other groups? Other individuals? It's all by choice. You can choose not to be in a group but you'll still be labeled by your appearance. But you choose to be bothered by that or not. If one can not move past this...then they'll be chained to their label.

[@CesarGarcia-og8rz]

@@noirsaba Seeing everything in groups is a rediculous concept. All this shows is what a disgrace so called higher education has become.

[@noirsaba]

@@CesarGarcia-og8rz what's best for the group is best for the individual generally speaking because of our shared humanity. For instance, we all drink water and breath air. So the group needs those clean and available and every individual in the group will have water and air. Their are many groups, gender, age, cultural background etc. An individual can fully impact a group. This is not to diminish the importance of the individual but no man is an island. Group dynamics is all around us.

[@ravenchanticlare4329]

I'm glad the panelist ended the discussion with the notion of hope.✌💛👍😳

[@SilkyDubois]

I disagree with the woman who announces that in the 1600 is when the white made it such an issue comparing to the native Americans .This started when the British discovered the wealth and the difference of the color of the applicants for the Americas were even on their map . Derive from envy of the African culture the music the skin tone the richness of the earth etc. etc.Which in hand this racial discrimination was brought on to the Americas centuries later . If you’re going to determine the facts of this issue was the issue you must go to the truth let’s start from the very beginning . Start from the origin , Africa

[@Josh-rn1em]

White couldn't survive more than 6 months in Africa because of disease and climate. There were some cities but most of Africa was tribes, hunter gathers. Riches meant gold and diamonds, resources and land for farming. Only humans were stolen. The rest of the wealth was created working the land.

[@NoLefTurnUnStoned.]

Before the 1600’s Europeans never referred to themselves as White People.

[@robertsouth6971]

Read Captain John Smith. Yeah, the governor of Jamestown guy. One of the appendices to his first book (not the one about America, the one about his Old World adventures prior to that) recounts his trip down the coast of Africa. After talking about all the piracy he engaged in, it then goes on to give a geography report about exploitation opportunities. He was already planning out how you could take these people from Africa and use them in America. He was a scout for financial interests and this was a report to his corporate masters, a feasibility study. To pull this off the concept of race had to be played up as a pretext. Sure, it may have existed before as a vague concept but they made a lot more out of it. For money. It's always been about money.

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

That’s when the English were beginning to be exposed to other kinds of people in mass.

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

⁠@@robertsouth6971John smith was actually a prisoner while in North Africa. By that time the late 1500s the Portuguese had been engaged in slave trading for more than 60 years.

[@dashoneconner]

I take that back. The 2nd speaker wuz 💯💯💯 he started off shake. But he told it like it iz

[@stacyMighty]

How then do you explain the "Ancient Law" meaning your identity is 10 years or more.

[@dashoneconner]

I SWEAR YALL NEED TO HEAR THIS

[@dashoneconner]

OHHHHHHHHH CANT NO1 EXPLAIN RACIAL CONSTRUCTION LIKE THE KOREAN WOMAN...THE 1ST SPEAKER PERIOD!!!!!!

[@staffordcox6808]

I always said that there were crazy thinking in crazy people throu out the world .

[@londonbowcat1]

31:20 how did they become white ?

[@steve19811]

So I have light hair, blue eyes, and English/German ancestry... What do I classify myself so as not to perpetuate "whiteness."?

[@e.priest8937]

The guy who was talking about iggy azalea? Kind of a nerd. She was a flash in the pan. And a butt star. White people in "black" costume is a thing in hiphop but its the exception not the rule. The fake accents, the clothes, the chains. That is hiphop. That defines it. Now the whole Kardashian thing. Its like they aren't seeing the elephant in the room. Kim k is a butt star. This all goes back to sirmixalot. And its a social change that is significant. Attractiveness in the present is based on an African ideal. European female body shape is no longer the ideal. That may be sound crass but it represents a major cultural shift.

[@londonbowcat1]

1:36:30 what film ?

[@kudjoeadkins-battle2502]

😂 we were liking big buts long before Sir Mix-a-Lot.

[@jyronav3159]

We are not all in this together!!!!!

[@londonbowcat1]

1:22:00 why is it a cancer?

[@jyronav3159]

Thank you brother for clarifying to white de women educators!!!

[@londonbowcat1]

51:00 wow

[@nephetula]

"...there is a growing realization that whiteness is as much a social racial and political identity as being African, Latin, Asian or Native American." The sad fact is that some see that as "bad". It's okay to identify with blacks if you're black. It's okay to identify with educated or wealthy people if you're educated or wealthy. It's okay to identify with Hispanics if you're Hispanic. And it's okay to identify with Jews if you're Jewish. But perish the thought that "white people" should feel any sort of camaraderie towards other whites. When ANY group says what's okay for them is not okay for others, that is probably the best definition of the word "prejudice".

[@newjack9315]

Are you kidding? Do you really think White people have a problem with their Whiteness or camaraderie towards other whites? Especially when we live in a world where whiteness is adopted as the default race, as opposed to all the other races that outnumber the white race worldwide. Believe me there's no existential threat to whiteness.

[@dashoneconner]

WOWWWWWW× NOW I HEAR IT

[@dashoneconner]

#3 SPOKE DA TRUTH

[@elainesabatino7467]

No White Guilt Forever! ❤

[@dnitagill7]

An absolutely necessary discussion that confirmed many truths concerning whiteness, race, class and gender politics.

[@robinsss]

Shakespeare is more universal in his writings than Toni Morrison because Toni focuses on race much more than Shakespeare did the only reason Iggy became a star while black female artists remained unknown is because TI helped her' that was his decision to help her instead of them not the record labels

[@emilyschmidt5630]

Too bad this isn't properly captioned. I can't use it class without proper captions.

[@kimvaughn9838]

What?

[@tat007]

Thank God.

[@jaeblase8216]

good! we dont need our kids indoctrinated any further. always w/the kool-aid hair...never fails!

[@londonbowcat1]

​@@tat0071:36:30

[@reginaldjennings]

they really needed robin diangelo on this panel! i feel like she would have clarified, corrected, and actually answered all of the question marks left on this stage.

[@DrTLEvans]

reginald holden jennings yes. Dr Carol Anderson and Dr. Nell Painter would have served well on the panel, also.

[@MM-gp9mb]

@Daniel Apfelkuchen Robin is the best white person out there. Thats a fact.

[@theblachelor9560]

Or "Waking Up White" by Debby Irving". Robin Diangelo is always a good choice.

[@gnlout7403]

@@MM-gp9mb correct me if I am wrong, but didn't she admit to being a racist and demonstrate it with examples of how she saw black people as lesser humans? Not arguing, just asking.

[@MM-gp9mb]

@@gnlout7403 I mean u could put it that way if ur tryna make her look bad but u and I both know that's not the context of what she said.

[@dashoneconner]

Listen to #3...

[@makeHimknown3]

White, Black, Chinese and Indian (Native Americans) ...interesting

[@MrChannel19]

So what are you observing?

[@dinglelawrence8890]

What I would have said, if I could have said it, before I was muted? Had we all had the same opportunity we might change this, but Anglo Saxons conformed your process! The scholars of old, your ancestors pre slavery, has concluded these three judgements against the Anglo Saxon God of Saxons vets Patriots who are loyal ignorant victims of THIER upbringing! Our ancestors are true scholars, and it was wise of them to become “the unsung” heroes of your generation, know why you war? Yet, your generation is even wiser and more conformed than were we? Unshackled you are bridled by a conformist religion, thereby bound to “forever” fear of death! We as your ancestors did not know it as do you and your children! Our complaints land squarely in the laps of your UN who swore by oath and blood to uphold equality for our new generations in THIER youth! They breached! 1. Blind Trust, is no longer blind! Your awareness as a younger branch of our ancestral tree of life is why you are an endangered generation and the epidemic of your life is the Anglo Saxon’s gun aimed at our heads, this is true! King was shot, but it is the radical kill of a pillow that murdered him! Abuse of your education is ancient old, and no one thing caused it, but all conformed to it! Thereby, you are more self taught than educated! The societal woe of your existence was and is a systemic standard that has split: The Standard? Scholars! The Split - White anti Black! The outcome, War? Civil unrest! Your ancestors do not just promote equal justice, but esteemed honor of defense! The military must uphold the honor of defense, and not its discriminatory dishonor of hatred, or it is a disgrace! Last, the most discredited thing a nation can do is to disregard its history! Standardized lies becomes a systemic woe in all of the existence of life! Double Standards comes from divided nations like The United Stars of Europe! The Yankees and the Patriots disgraced the honor of self defense! As a outcome the domino effect is the collapse of China, The Americas and Afghan! Who is accountable: The entire Anglo Saxon race from get go forward! That is why our ancestors has rejected THIER offer to be our allies! Africa has no need for invasions, nor a white wall of games who lie to cover up their wounds! The Insurrection was in house! Africa Rest! Peace and Love from Ethiopians, and the Egyptian Kings! Salute To the UN! Keep the peace, reject war, but do not accept rejection of your heritage! Amen 🙏

[@TrrrollinCuzItsFun-Relax]

no better lesson in Learning than physically being there......going there! I AM American! Indigenous to the Americas!😳 NotWhiteNotBlackNotLatino.....Just American👀

[@dluvv19761]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone in these conversations point to anything wrong in the black community that is their own doing. It's always shifting the blame

[@michaelwayne1012]

Good Fella So.. do you blame yourself for being born ? Or do you blame your parents ? Who created this system? To learn anything one must start at the origin that formed it. What should be learned from this is " Don't make the game unless you're willing to take the blame " It was laws established in 1681 that kicked off all that most today are trying to clean up...... Black's aren't the power behind that which created that which is/ have being "dealt " out .

[@moodist1er]

Like what, dood?

[@bryanwilson5779]

I am expecting to hear about whites in South Africa but sadly disappointed. Why is Apartheid and the new South Africa always avoided when talking about white race and class?

[@QuatMan]

There are no white South Africans participating in these discussions. You have Elon Musk, who doesnt care, and then a bunch of farmers in South Africa still trying to avoid Black Africans. If they dont care enough to represent themselves, then it is no one else's job to go and find them.

[@stacyMighty]

Since 2019 I do not know what race any race sees me as a a mixed race West Indies, Jamaican born female artist. I have been more introvert now since 2019. I don't trust anyone. I have my concern with every race since 2019. I feel my culture and heredity was robbed from me, although I legally migrated to the United States at the age of 5 in 1980.

[@sandracolleen4203]

Step toward progress against racial injustice: Amend US constitution to cast out all reference to white men being superior. ♥️🙏♥️

[@serpentines6356]

It's not there. Leave The Constitution alone

[@loveshoves1825]

@@serpentines6356 so we shouldn't even change the part where slaves are counted as only 3/5 a person in determining census? Or the part where the presidency is only referred to in strictly Male pronouns? Or maybe the part where anyone congicted of a crime can be forced into slavery or indentured servitude? None of that?

[@sad_wrangler8515]

@@loveshoves1825 Can you please tell as the current pharagraph of the american constitution stating that?

[@loveshoves1825]

@@sad_wrangler8515 couple of questions first: 1. Which one did you need the citation for? 2. Why can't you look it up yourself? 3. How much are you going to pay me for the time I spend doing your research for you?

[@sad_wrangler8515]

@@loveshoves1825 Well I tried to find it myself, put did not found the paragraph of the current constitution that refers to "only 3/5 a person in determining census?". I would pay you nothing, I mean a statment of a no-name in the internet holds no value at all.

[@cjfl1962]

Nicky Hailey should have listen this before opening her mouth.

[@stanleyslawski1339]

Wonderful discussion, so this is simply a quibble, but I am sincerely surprised that it seems none of the panelists had ever talked into a microphone before. "Oh, the audience might actually like to hear what I have to say?" Such simple things as having a stage manager take 5 minutes to remind everyone on mike use, or even a stage crew person to hand it back and forth would have made this discussion flow so much better. As it was, the clunkiness made it hard to hear at times, and disrupted the conversation.

[@davidscott7091]

An intriguing discussion marred by bad handling of the microphone while delivering facts and thought provoking opinions for others .

[@TheZenGarden_]

Origin of class system in America; "Bacon's Rebellion" Reason for racial construct in the world; Deut.28: 1-14 ~ Blessing 13 And the Lord shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the Lord thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them: Deut.28:15-68 ~ Curses 44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail. The people who are the tail of the world's social hierarchy are supposed to be the head. The punishment for disobedience for the people called "Hebrews" is slavery, which they have endured pretty much their entire history in the world. Every punishment has a beginning and an end, here's the prophecy of the last one; Genesis 15 12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. 13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed(Deut.28:15-68)shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 1619 ~ 2019 (house-bill H.R.1242) Jacob's trouble ~Jeremiah 30 14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

[@lisaspeakstruth4646]

Bacons rebellion where poor white americans and poor black americans CAME TOGETHER to fight the oppression and injustice. Try again.

[@luxveran9906]

Let’s walk on water

[@TheZenGarden_]

@@lisaspeakstruth4646 Thats the first part of the story, why dont you try again and look at the result of the whole story.

[@TheZenGarden_]

@@luxveran9906 You first!

[@luxveran9906]

Exodus 4:22 your faith is less than is mustard seed..

[@jyronav3159]

No!, Arkansas men and women launched this against her when her husband ran for Governor's race because she stood strong of keeping her maiden name, "how dare she keeps her maiden name !!"

[@londonbowcat1]

56:00 put it on show

[@noirsaba]

To say that whiteness was not privileged at any point in the making of this country is not factual when you consider the treatment of indigenous people and enslaved people and I'm considering indentured servitude. Whiteness has always provided the most essential agency which is the association with the conqueror. All class distinctions inside of that group sits atop the group of the conquered and enslaved. The founding fathers spoke of liberty while holding slaves! Isenberg risks the same marginalization of non whites by asserting class distinctions without stating the fact that quickly the lowest of the white class finds agency with the power elete as a buffer between power and the most exploited, the slaves.

[@mr4533]

Beware of the voice of satanic 😈 demon spirits speaking thru the human body that are lying. !!! Eph 6:12

[@serpentines6356]

The Founding Fathers were amazing men, and created a system based on liberty. They also discussed the issue of doing away with slavery. To judge amazing people, who sacrificed everything hundreds of years after they are dead, is quite arrogant.

[@noirsaba]

@@serpentines6356 my judgement is accurate. Imagine being a slave and having enslavers simply "discuss" ending slavery. That discussion went on for hundreds of years! You're quite arrogant for trying to defend those horrible men.

[@NoLefTurnUnStoned.]

@@serpentines6356 "The Founding Fathers were amazing men, and created a system based on liberty" Liberty for who?

[@serpentines6356]

@@noirsaba No, I am not the arrogant one here. You are. It wasn't just a 'discussion.' I dare you to learn American history much better than just spouting the ignorant crud you are.

[@dianereed7915]

I hope that is the way he talk in real time, spit it out.

[@londonbowcat1]

1:38:45 frank wilderson would love this

[@SG-hf8pj]

It's crazy how people will not know thier own history and use that ignorance as as a weapon to dismiss people with actual information. Black people in america have always had a deep philosophical tradition in writing on the american experience especially on gender and race. There seems to be so little focus on this body of work yet many wish to be absolved. Conversations should start with understanding or at least that should be goal but It can't be believed that white people wish for reconciliation when the bare minimum cannot be met. So much was done over 400 years to disenfranchise and dehumanize others, the same or more amount of energy is demanded from you to fix and educate yourself about these things if you wish to preserve your sense of a "good" or "well meaning" person. People are just asking whites to be as responsible in fixing these issues as others are forced to.

[@SG-hf8pj]

@Sean 85 If the masses of whites had taken that responsibility those movements would not have been necessary. The civil war was a draft war. Black soldiers had to wage a legal battle to be allowed to fight. Civil rights saw the assasination of many leaders and an ensuing legacy of opression through the war on drugs begin. There were some whites but something like 65% didn't even support king let alone black leaders considered more vocal. Whites being present is only half the battle. Self education and reflection are also necessary to learn better patterns. If these were conscious actions they would degrade much more quickly, but subconscious behaviours can be intergenerational and unexplainable by it's practitioners. Jacqueline battalora has work on the primary function of whiteness I'd encourage you to check out.

[@petero9189]

@@SG-hf8pj What reasons have for you for writing this rubbish ..."we know this country would only fully educate white males, ( removing some very important Americans, inventions and art) would lynch its fellows, rape it's women and enslave it's own children."...... How could you possibly know what would have happened? Evidence from other ex British Commonwealth countries strongly suggests otherwise with slavery being banned, voting rights for women, rule of law enforced, education becoming a women's domain etc etc. Descending to this hateful scenario type of speculation detracts from your argument, demeans you and prevents open debate.

[@davidwestwater1914]

No civilization except western civilization ever eliminated slavery and no civilization except western civilization ever recognized the value of multiculturalism except western civilization. No other civilization ever engaged in a morall critique of itself for the benifit of itself. Western civilization is a gift to the world. In no other society would this panel even excist.

[@davidwestwater1914]

@@SG-hf8pj those movement where not done by blacks with the exception of civil rights.

[@SG-hf8pj]

@@davidwestwater1914 Those movements were done by blacks. The black labor movements, education movement and repeal of miscegenation are the laws many other groups rested their claims on not to mention black people have been the most enduring in the struggle for human rights in America. We know what this nation would have been because we have a whole field called history. Altruism has never been the cause of these works you guys want a pat on the back for. "We know power never concedes to justice willingly, it must be demanded by the oppressed" Paraphrase of MLK Jr. I'm not concerned with how "valid" my argument sounds to you. Validity should be based on fact and data and we know what each era has been like for my people. America or "the west" is not the first empire. It is mot the first to encounter similar issues or particularly unique in any way other that it is the present source of many problems. Many other nations have been critical and reflective. Many other nations never had a system of chattle slavery to get rid of. Many other multicultural civilizations have existed the ability to make these statements without a deep knowledge of other cultures is the exact problem I am illustrating. Africa has the most cultural diversity in the world for example and many cultures has joined or co-existed for ages. The Indonesian islands also provide a space where many cultures shate space and custom. Native and indiginous people in the Americas had a broad pattern of sharing and trading between their cultures. The white narrative is that you guys are more exceptional humans when you're just average.

[@MBE-qs5qb]

Kai Murros has a good plan for this.

[@CaptainCharismaY2J]

Based

[@swhite8303]

The Homestead Acts Of 1862, etc etc

[@londonbowcat1]

It gets mentioned in Clarence walker we can't go home again

[@markduckham703]

the only reason this is a discussion is because they invented everything.

[@dw7312]

Race took their humanity

[@lg6934]

Great panel discussion!!

[@dashoneconner]

Whyyyyyyy did no black MAN on that panel answer the 1st question? And u see that woman cld not answer that question

[@eddasturrup4912]

Thank YOU FOR SHARING...... Dialogue DIALOGUE DIALOGUE DIALOGUE DIALOGUE DIALOGUE DIALOGUE DIALOGUE......... MORE.... READ ..... RESEARCH...

[@hanka4077]

Some interesting information and opinions and some appaling demagogs like David Ikard that was painful to listent to. But it was interesting to watch the difference in his rethorics in comparison to others.

[@bgshango4276]

My take away from this: everyone else gets lifted up by stepping on black people.

[@b1prints73]

Your take away is correc...

[@dalemaloney255]

you are SO right blks should step up and PAY their own way! stop counting on whites to foot your bills! i agree!!

[@Bezzy911]

@@dalemaloney255 lol. You surely are not paying. Poor fella

[@ddtrahan]

@@dalemaloney255 pwhahahaha.

[@ddtrahan]

Get educated & get a job! Obama did it.

[@paulcastillo953]

Cubans the cubans consider themselves Spaniard's from Spain too

[@emilyschmidt5630]

I'd love to use this in my class room, but since it isn't close captioned, I can't.

[@emilyschmidt5630]

@Bub Zilla Thanks! I won't.

[@emilyschmidt5630]

@Jiggahata1 I teach about the construction of race (especially whiteness) and I teach against white supremacy. I've used Tim Wise before!

[@emilyschmidt5630]

@Jiggahata1 I teach at a community college, but would definitely teach in the workplace if the opportunity arose.

[@Meekseek]

#Agenda21

[@flowrepins6663]

kalergi plan wasnt agenda 30? god im scared of this stuff. i hope darwin selection ocurs and dum get eliminated cause its usually the other way around... the elite want dum pp cause they are ez to control...

[@lesleykramer7207]

Thinking of yourself as white means that you accept and embrace a society that attaches social meaning to fair skin. Without the advantages of whiteness in this society, fair skin would have no more significance than big ears or left-handedness -- it would mean nothing.

[@fwrinkledsoles]

I don't know what, but by listening it is something terribly wrong and I think the majority don't get it and or not listening to themselves as if the majority think they have done good justice in the world.

[@garyjohnson1466]

Very good lecture and discussion, however, having grown up in the south, in a upper middle class well educated white family, who never heard his parents or grandparents use the N words, After joining the navy, I married into poor Mexican family, and for 20yrs, I got to know Hispanics, my daughter married a nice black fella, so all my kids and grand kids are Mixed, but when you try to live a life as free of racial bias, you become a outcast from other whites, as well as blacks who really don’t want nothing to do with whites, so, when I moved into a black neighborhood, my black neighbor put up “no trespassing” signs and at night I have spot lights on me like I was in some prison, they don’t talk to me or anything, the only positive thing is they leave me alone, mostly, when I was living in a white neighborhood, if you don’t go to their church, they also put up spot lights and do everything they can to make you feel about as wanted as a coyote, so it has become apparent to me that fear creates fear, especially when no one understands you or want to get to know you, as for Hispanics they’re fearful as well, but in a different way, especially since Trump, Trump has made things considerably worse, but in reality all he did was reveal the hostility and fear that always been there but hidden, now with climate change, which put a very real existential threat to all of humanity, I suspect things will either get worse or we will come together to deal with with this looming disaster, so it is in everyone best interest to work together for all of humanity and life, hopefully!! So Climate change is a game changer that will either destroy us or heal civilization, which from what I’ve seen so far isn’t looking good, especially with the war in Ukraine and now the Taiwan issue, they say it’s always the darkest before the dawn.. Peace!

[@mansamussa3525]

We are not black or African-American we are aboriginal Americans indigenous to North America 1828 definition of American

[@moses101FYILegal]

🍎

[@juliegogo2941]

But the food and dance from other areas can be so so good..... women period can be treated badly too. My observation is two peas and a pod... Hillary and Donald.. I believe like the Brits to many from the same family to soon.ie Bush jr. and Hillary, they should have not been allow to run, we don't have ROYAL FAMILIES here in the USA.... Women are not team players anymore. The queen bee factor which is totally dysfunction in nursing because it is a science based art you need to assist others......it has gotten worse and worse since the draining businesses practices have taken over medicine.....from nonprofits to becoming proprietary businesses.

[@eddasturrup4912]

"THE CONSTRUCT" WHITENESS..... MONEY...... .... IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEVER HAD A CHANCE............... E.M.N.S.

[@omavine23]

That’s so true about the Cubans in Miami. I’m a black Jamaican and felt a kinship with the Cubans but they just see me as black period. So sad...

[@morocomole4567]

Lol this is a university???? What a joke

[@f1chtl]

im so glad we dont have "general education" classes here and start right away with the real subjects... lol