REACTING to *Who Framed Roger Rabbit* INCREDIBLE ANIMEATION!! (First Time Watching) Animator Reacts

[@whitenoisereacts]

Tell us what animation fun facts you know about this movie or any one for that matter!!

[@fynnthefox9078]

It took quite a bit of convincing to get Disney and Warner Bros to play ball, one of their agreements was that each character from both studios had to have equal screen time, but if notice they introduce Disney characters SLIGHTLY before the Warner Bros. characters. Even at the end, Tinkerbell is the final character seen, despite her not existing in 1947.

[@basktbalG]

Not animation per say, but Bob Hoskins acting with "animated characters" have always stuck with me. He did a phenomenal job with acting to virtually no one in a scene, and make it believable. My only fun fact is that I didn't know he was an English actor for a cool while haha

[@ryandean3162]

@@fynnthefox9078 Tinkerbell isn't the only anachronism. Harvey the Rabbit makes an "appearance" even though the movie wouldn't be made until 1950, and the play it's based on is from 1944.

[@fynnthefox9078]

@@ryandean3162 Yeah, so Angelo was referencing the play. He probably saw sometime before that day. Seems like enjoyed it.

[@samm7390]

Fun facts about this movie, one this is actually what Walt Disney wanted to do when he was first writing Alice in wonderland back in the day before Disney became an actual thing. Two this is the first and only time you actually saw Disney characters and Looney tunes on the same screen.

[@Valecto]

Fun fact: animators used to mix acetone, benzine and turpentine (aka: the dip) to remove ink from animation cells... therefore only the dip can kill toons

[@whitenoisereacts]

That’s super cool

[@MrParkerman6]

*Cels.

[@avena5919]

@@MrParkerman6 What’s the difference?

[@zacharyjoy8724]

Another scary thing to consider: unlike his peers, the weasel who got kicked into the Dip didn’t have a ghost. The Dip literally destroyed his soul, not just his body.

[@foxkieran]

​@@avena5919 The definition? 😆

[@CasualGamerDude]

The overly White teeth, The Wind always blowing his clothes, The paleness of his skin, The fact he actively avoids the DIP He Never blinks Great attention to detail

[@fynnthefox9078]

Makes for great rewatchability.

[@chrisrj9871]

His shades to hide the fact he never blinks. The one time he fell and covered one of his eyes.

[@TSIRKLAND]

Betty Boop was voiced by her original voice actress, Mae Questel, age 80 at the time. She passed away in 1998, not quite reaching her 90th birthday. A talented and long-working voice actress. (Olive Oil, Betty, many others...)

[@ks4isu]

Mae also played the wacky Aunt Bethany in the movie "Christmas Vacation."

[@LordHoth_90]

Hence why Eddie said, “You still got.” The line was directed to Mae herself.

[@aflorine2]

Yes and also checkout the history of the original Betty Boop Inspiration Baby Esther.

[@AnimationNation2004]

This was also one of Mel Blanc’s final appearances as the Looney Tunes characters. Daffy Duck’s Quackbusters released the same year was his true final appearance. The only Looney Tunes character he didn’t voice in this was Yosemite Sam. He would be voiced by Joe Alaskey

[@Ykoz2016]

I was so devastated as a kid when the squeaky shoe was murdered. I cried.

[@nekane6168]

We all suffered at that cruel and horrible moment

[@SakuraPixie]

Same. Nightmares for WEEKS too

[@emilywilhite5807]

I was a teenager when this came out and that scene still destroyed me.

[@midnightmakesart]

same it traumatized me

[@rorygal2991]

Literally turned Doom into the villain of every nightmare for a month

[@headofcosmospictures1232]

Some Fun Facts about this movie: The character of Judge Doom doesn't blink a single time throughout the movie, indicating his true identity. Tim Curry was also originally considered to play the part but the producers thought his potrayal would be too scary. Bob Hoskins who plays Eddie Valiant recalled that after he was done shooting the movie his son was mad at him for several weeks because his father didn't bring any of the cartoon characters home with him. This is shows how amazing the special effects were at the time. Animation director Richard Williams insisted that he'd do all the animation on the character Baby Herman himself because it was his favourite character. At the first test Screening which consisted enterirely of teenagers, all of them walked out after the first few minutes because they didn't want to watch a cartoon. Steven Spielberg still didn't change a single thing and the movie was a massive success.

[@fynnthefox9078]

Eddie Murphey was approached to play Eddie Valiant, but he turned it down. Since the movie came out, he regrets turning down the role.

[@artsysabs]

I want to see the Tim Curry version 😂

[@mystical_grace]

@@artsysabs Same 😂

[@highstimulation2497]

all of them walked out? what a buncha morons

[@benlhyenethehyena9947]

Dumb teenagers

[@trinaq]

I adore this movie, especially the way it seamlessly blended animation with live action. Rest in peace, Bob Hoskins, he was the perfect choice to bring grouchy but with a soft centre Eddie to life.

[@TronicSpeed]

That is because they shot through the movie twice. Once with stand-ins and twice with optical composting. It's how the effects like the weasel splashing the water in Eddie's sink were possible.

[@TronicSpeed]

@@AlastorsShadowDemon No, I was only speaking as to why it looks so seamless.

[@baskervillebee6097]

This concept was very new at the time and this movie was dazzling.

[@MrParkerman6]

@@TronicSpeed WRONG, DUMBASS! Neither cardboard cut outs, nor CGI was ever used, idiot. Don't comment it you don't know how it was made, jackass! They used mostly robots and puppets for stand ins, and it wasn't CGI, idiot. They hand painted EVERYTHING on Cels on top of pictures of the live action. They literally printed out every single frame of The Live Action into physical pictures. Richard Williams- the Animation Director himself said absolutely no CGI was ever used for this movie and EVERYTHING was painted by hand,. dumbass!

[@TronicSpeed]

@@MrParkerman6 Umm... sorry? Could've just said that nicer, jerk.

[@capitaokaede]

Eddie being athletic and funny is actually foreshadowed in the slow pan of his office: he and his brother were raised in a circus, so they had training as clowns. They even wore clown noses in their police academy graduation photo.

[@liljenborg2517]

Bob Hoskins is actually a carney. He's done everything from acrobatics to clowning to fire breathing.

[@capitaokaede]

@@liljenborg2517 That is actually even cooler now.

[@waterywingz]

Reminds me of when Nic Cage gave his diver’s watch to the clothing store in National Treasure to foreshadow later when he dove into the Hudson (and survived).

[@fynnthefox9078]

It's set in 1947, they showed it when Eddie entered Maroon's office at the beginning of the movie. Also, Eddie's acrobatics were set up earlier in the film. On his desk, there's a picture of him, his brother and his dad as clowns in the circus.

[@79Bobola]

Yup, definitely the 1940’s, came down to say that lol.

[@fireblast133]

This movie set up a ton of chekhov's guns. The mallet and portable holes being two notable examples set up when they were examining the crime scene. Eddie was more polite to Betty Boop despite his disliking of toons, and you see shortly after why when they pan over the desk, on his brother's side is a Betty Boop doll, indicating she was his brother's favorite. The bumping the lamp trope was really started here, literally with the lighting in the bar's backroom always swaying, they went the extra mile to make Roger's shadows both on him and the casted ones match the lighting.

[@Thomas_Wedderburn]

Definitely 1940s 👍

[@waterywingz]

Wow , real Easter’s eggs about the acrobatics & Betty Boop 🤩 This movie is THAT awesome 🥲

[@fynnthefox9078]

@@waterywingz Awesome? This movie is legendary.

[@AstraRoseYT]

Love the fact that The Dip is essentially paint thinner/remover ingredients, it’s a great extra layer to the story

[@Zodia195]

I've used turpentine, and oi, you thought alcohol smelled, that is even stronger. It's used in painting (it's like the painting version of an eraser) and it's one reason why you need a well ventilated room/studio because that stuff can be too strong.

[@desiv1170]

Yep, those are some of the chemicals that they used to use to clean off the original hand painted animated cells so they could re-use them. So in effect, it would get rid of toons...

[@MrParkerman6]

Wouldn't that be removing layers, Not adding extra layers? 😛

[@freakymothperson]

@Shawn Bettasso wtf are you even trying to say?

[@nugget3687]

I believe the name also has roots in animation, you would "dip" animation cells in the stuff if you wanted a fresh cell

[@sean-ew2qv]

Thousands of hours of hands-on animation is how they made it so dang seamless. Each cel was given its due respect.

[@DavidRomigJr]

This movie takes place in the 40s just after prohibition was repealed. That’s why Jessica performs in a speakeasy and the bar had a rotgut room. Also regarding Eddy’s literal acrobatics at the end, during the pan in his private eye office, it passed by a picture of him and Teddy in the Ringling Bros. Circus. It guess despite getting out of shape, he still has the moves.

[@SuddenReal]

And also why the public transportation is still good in LA.

[@evilproducer01]

Prohibition was repealed in 1933, so 15 years prior. A lot happened between then and '47.

[@voiceofraisin3778]

@@evilproducer01 Especially the fashion for mustaches!

[@fynnthefox9078]

I mean, it's in his blood.

[@83gemm]

“How is this a kids’ movie?!” It’s really not. It was made so everyone could enjoy it. Plenty of adult jokes in it. Especially the patty cake bit😂 Also, most kids’ movies in the 80s were dark as hell.

[@MrJamaigar]

Cartoons in the Golden Age were way beyond kids' entertainment; they were made for Theater Screenings and general audiences. i.e..people of all ages. Mostly adults, the more frequent movie-goers. People at Fleischer's tried to copy Disney's formula, and make their own full length animated pictures, with no success. For people at Warner's, MGM, Terrytoons,etc. this served like a lesson through example: they opted for playing it safe, and stuck to short films, their specialty.

[@ShawnBettasso-rn9kk]

I like this movie and I seen it when I was little and it's my favorite movie from my childhood and it's a good movie but not funny about this movie and it's still a good movie but not funny about this movie

[@SUP466]

Like Transformers 1986

[@redjakOfficial]

I was kinda traumatized seeing judge Doom melt as a kid. I still loved the movie, and rewatched it many times, but I admit the dip scenes are pretty gruesome for a young audience.

[@fynnthefox9078]

Back when PG meant something. Though recently it's been getting it's meaning back.

[@AniFAE_Productions]

Fun Facts: Even though this movie was directed by Robert Zemeckis, the Animation director was Richard Williams. He was known to pay obsessively amounts of attention to detail in his animations. His magnum opus was an animation he was working on called The Thief and the Cobbler for...30 years. A production time of 30 years meant that people got tired with him and he was removed from the production of his own movie, and it was subsequently ruined (in an attempt to rush it to completion. His masterclass "The animators survival kit" is the means I used to learn to animate by. Also, Touchstone was created as a more Adult oriented sub-studio for Disney at the time. Finally, Disney and Warner Bros said the only way they would allow their characters to be in the movie was under the condition that their characters had equal 50/50 screen time. So glad you guys finally watched this.

[@SonicMegaKing]

The 50/50 rule was only for Bugs and Mickey iirc, which is why they're always together.

[@youtubewontletme]

Ive got the animators survival kit's book, and i freaking love it, not just because of the animation explaining, but for the history and personal experience he had in the animation world, and the big animators he knew in his job

[@samanthanickson6478]

@@SonicMegaKing wasn’t it for daffy and donald, too?

[@TherealRNOwwfpooh]

@@samanthanickson6478 Also, for Porky Pig (although he got a little more time, if only need be to order to lead into his iconic stuttering tagline featuring Carl Starling's recognizable outro music used to close out the various _Merry Melodies_ & _Looney Tunes_ cartoons) and Tinkerbelle (Peter Pan's fairy sidekick was used as Disney's mascot for both the founder's docu-series _Disneyland_ [later renamed to _The Wonderful World of Color_ & _Walt Disney Presents_ at later periods during Walt's lifetime, as well as the posthumous reruns repeatedly aired even decades later as part of the late-nite Vault Disney programming block] used to show future guests the goings-on within the theme parks, with Tink relying upon her pixie dust as a transition tool to fly wherever Walt wanted the "camera" to take the television audience & she was also used to bookend the Sunday movie airings of fan favorite Disney films under the _Wonderful World of Disney_ umbrella).

[@cynreiusacari3163]

I love the thief and the cobbler! It was my late brother’s favorite animated film of all time. I watch it on his birthday to honor him. Thanks for the fun fact!

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Jessica Rabbit is an icon, a legend and she is the moment. A very misunderstood character.

[@jessicacaleno1998]

She is ✨ *Fabulous* ✨

[@paradoxguy9226]

Jessica Rabbit the character that has confused generations of people on how they feel about cartoon characters. (including me)

[@brightspacebabe]

And Kathleen Turner as her voice is a character in itself……Iconic back then and now

[@t.j._fury]

Jessica R. is a mood, and has been since 1988.

[@eugenereilly4410]

The lighting on Roger during the "swinging light" scene from 23:18 to 24:00 is a fairly famous example of being just an incredible, if not over-the-top piece of animation.

[@michaeljacyna1973]

As animator: Do yourselves a favor and research the industry phrase "Bumping the lamp" as a standard for animators. In short, it refers to the scene at the diner hideout and the overhead lamp gets bumped... the animators painstakingly went above and beyond and made sure the lighting on the animation was correct in relation to the swinging lamp. It's a great story in the efforts and love the entire team poured into this film

[@nickmanzo8459]

I went through a “I’m too old for cartoons” phase, so watching this movie years later resonates with me a lot. Eddie Valiant is like a great metaphor for how I felt about cartoons a lot, hated them but had a soft spot for them, finally reconciled my feelings and embraced them again… love this movie.

[@cutesyprincess14]

I didn't go through that phase because it's such shit to force yourself to not like anything you do love.

[@fynnthefox9078]

I was like that for a time, but then I realized what I wanted to do with life. I want to make my own cartoons.

[@ShawnBettasso-rn9kk]

I like this movie and it's my favorite movie from my childhood and I love this movie and I seen it when I was little and it's my favorite movie from my childhood and it's a good movie but not funny about this movie and it's still a good movie but not funny about this movie and what do you think about this movie same thing what I say right

[@shainewhite2781]

Winner of 4 Oscars: Best Visual Effects Best Sound Editing Best Film Editing Best Achievement Award for Animation It made $330 million dollars against a $50 million dollar budget. Before Bob Hoskins was cast as Eddie Valiant, Harrison Ford, Kevin Costner, Michael Douglas, Tom Hanks, John Travolta, Bruce Willis, Eddie Murphy, Richard Gere, Charlie Sheen, Emilio Estevez, Tom Selleck, Jeff Bridges, Nick Nolte, Kurt Russell, Sylvester Stallone, Matthew Broderick, Sean Penn, Kevin Spacey, William Hurt, Michael J. Fox, Alec Baldwin, Ray Liotta, Steve Martin, and Robin Williams were considered for the role. Before Christopher Lloyd was cast as Judge Doom, Tim Curry, Eddie Deezan, Peter O'Toole, and Christopher Lee were considered.

[@KSClaw]

oh my god, Christopher Lee would have been so scary! I mean, Christopher Lloyd is scary too, but Sir Lee being a horror icon? Wow

[@deamon002]

@@KSClaw Apparently Tim Curry was rejected for being TOO SCARY.

[@Tke]

I dunno if it was mentioned yet, but Jessica’s dress was actually a plastic bag with holes in it to allow the light to glint through! And most of the acting done by the cast was done WITHOUT props or someone playing cartoons, it’s even been mentioned the man who played Eddie got so into pretending he saw cartoons alone on set that he did have to take a break for mental exhaustion. Also in cartoon terms, Jessica is considered “ugly” because she’s too human-looking to make humans laugh, so she technically is a black sheep. It also explains why people get confused as to why she’s with him, from a human perspective she’s gorgeous, but from a toon perspective she isn’t doing her “basic job” and can’t offer much to a partner. But Rodger’s such a great character he loves her for her and not how “useful” she is. Also the movie is based off a book where Rodger is actually dead and trying to help Eddie solve his murder, and there’s about 4 or 5 sequel books, and while some of the crew have been trying to push for movie sequels over the years, the higher ups have been denying it.

[@RocRolDis]

The licensing would be a nightmare.

[@MrParkerman6]

MOST was done without props, but NOT all! There are behind the scenes, in toon town it was mostly just Eddie with Blue Screen and ground miming, but other scenes where they have to physically interact with things the toons move they used robots and puppets and such.

[@ashleytheblindvisionary907]

They could probably do plenty of sequels once Disney finally succeeds at world domination. Then they'll also probably make a live action remake where the tooons are live action and the humans are...live action as well.

[@JuryRigged]

@@RocRolDis The licensing *was* a nightmare. Ultimately the requirement became that Disney and Warner characters had to have absolutely equal screen time.

[@Tke]

@@MrParkerman6 I did say most, not all lol

[@CarolinePhoenixMe]

Fact: the most difficult scene in the movie and the longest one to make was Jessica's song number (because of the sparkling dress, this is why she wears a mat red dress in all other scenes)

[@whitenoisereacts]

Yeah!!! That’s what Nobu was saying

[@tracy4290]

And it actually kind of makes sense in-universe even; when not performing, you wear "street clothes".

[@jsl151850b]

Multiple effects layers for the lighting.

[@gokaury]

6:56 I love the foreshadowing of the "Cloverleaf" sign logo and what it represents. I never noticed that before. Clever logo design. Other notes: 7:27 Chilly Willy (the mention of his character is a little anachronistic) and Screwy Squirrel (of the MGM cartoon days) are both real animation characters created or revised by legendary animator Tex Avery. 10:01 Actually, nobody is playing the piano. It is playing itself. They are player pianos, pianos that play a prerecorded song while depressing the keys automatically. 10:18 Betty Boop here is voiced by her original voice actress, Mae Questel. You might know her as Aunt Bethany from National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. 12:38 While sitting in the chair, Roger is able to so seamlessly interact with the environment around him because there is a puppeteered machine with arms on it that can grab inanimate objects and do things with them and can even swivel the chair around. The animators then animated the cartoon Roger over it, on every frame of animation with ink and color. They did this on thousands of frames of animation throughout the movie 16:41 Notice the very slight breeze flowing around Doom's cape, but it is happening to nobody else??? 21:43 Yep, those are real prop guns that the weasels are using. They are being puppeteered on wires from above and then animated over, just like the swivel chair. 23:17 Notice how the lamp light from above was bumped when Eddie walks under it. This was never intended to be bumped. Upon being bumped, the shadows from the light keep going all over the room. For some reason, they couldn't reshoot the scene, so the animators had to excruciatingly animate shadows on Roger in order to match the lighting of the room and keep the movie from looking "fake." This is what is now called "bumping the lamp," whose definition is "To go above and beyond expectations when completing a given task/project." 26:30 Again, a robot holding and breaking plates which was later animated over. Such clever and ingenious work. 27:58 Context: "Harvey" is the title of a Jimmy Stewart movie where Stewart plays a man who goes around "interacting" with an imaginary (or is it invisible?) seven foot tall rabbit. 30:33 The ultimate sequence of animating over something. There was a go-kart that was being piloted by a man in the back who was dressed all in black from head to toe. Eddie was riding just in front of him. All of the kart and the real driver were totally animated over. Fact within a fact: There were a couple of shots of Benny, Roger and Eddie in this sequence that were totally animated since it was logistically impossible to use the go-kart. 35:00 Recognize the tunnel here? It is the very same tunnel that they used at the end of Back to the Future 2 where Marty on a hoverboard faces down Biff and his car. 35:23 All of these cartoon bullets are all voiced by veteran actors from old westerns. Some of them were the barflys and the Colt Peacemaker salesman in Back to the Future 3. 36:50 Droopy here (who was owned by MGM animation and also a creation of cartoon legend Tex Avery) was voiced by the film's director, Robert Zemeckis. 37:32 This crossover is the only time this will ever happen in the history of ever (as well as the Donald and Daffy scene). Too many legal facts here, but the only man who could have ever brokered this crossover is Steven Spielberg, who was executive producer on this film. 43:20 I don't know if you missed it, but Eddie and his brother used to work as performers in the circus. This is why he can pull off these stunts. 47:27 If you pause the movie every time a window of the train is in frame, you'll notice an attempted Toon murder in progress. 48:54 As Porky Pig, this is Mel Blanc's final line he ever uttered in any medium. He sadly passed away soon afterwards. These are the only things I can think of, so I hope I haven't overindulged too much.

[@MyFireElf]

I never noticed it either! Good eye!

[@calebclunie4001]

I recognized, the one voice actor, with the cracking voice, from "Garfield, And Friends". He played Cactus Jake. He'd been in several Disney films, including "Robin Hood", and "The Aristocats", "The Fox And The Hound", and "The Rescuers". His name was Pat Buttram, but was born Maxwell Emmett Buttram, and, strangely, Doc Brown's first name is Emmett. "Must've gotten that shirt, off'n a dead Chinee."

[@Someone-101]

Regarding Mel Blanc, that's not quite true. I watched a documentary about him, and in it his son said that he died after they finished filming a commercial for Oldsmobile. (For those interested, during the shooting he developed a cough, so he went to a hospital to get it checked out. They said they could keep him overnight or send him home with an inhaler, and he decided to stay just to be safe. They forgot to put up the railing around his bed; he fell out, broke his femur, got a fat embolism in his brain, and was basically dead after 48 hours.) So while I like the idea of that being his final line and agree it would be very poetic, reality is--as usual--more mundane. Though at least it got to be a commercial with his son, so that's nice. What you're probably thinking of is his will, which specified "THAT'S ALL FOLKS" be added to his gravestone. RIP Mel Blanc; he was am amazing person.

[@JohnMiller-zn9pf]

Many decades later and I can sing rhe chilly Willy theme song

[@EChacon]

Actually gokaury, Droopy at 36:50 is voiced by Richard Williams, the animation director for _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_ not Robert Zeneckis.

[@jessc.994]

Great reaction! Disney and Warner Bros. had an agreement to give their respective characters equal amounts of screen time. Which is why they are often paired up in scenes. Donald and Daffy, Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse, Porky Pig and Tinkerbell, etc.

[@nocturnalcove9736]

Technically Disney won the debate with Dumbo, the Penguins from Mary Poppins, Song of the South Bear and the Broomsticks.

[@FreddyKurganNimmo]

@nocturnalcove You're forgetting about the other appearances by Tweety & Yosemite Sam. It's been over a decade since I last watched it in-depth, but I'm pretty sure they even out

[@thiagocalheiro5824]

@@nocturnalcove9736 don't forget about Maleficent's little devils at the beginning of the movie. They walk next to Eddie in the streets.

[@AnimationNation2004]

The film is Disney. Touchstone, the company that produced it along with Spielberg’s studio Amblin, was just a label for Disney to release PG and higher films. So obviously their characters are going to be on board.

[@TherealRNOwwfpooh]

@@AnimationNation2004 Amblin was Steven Spielberg's own production studio. He would later use it to create the '90s cartoons that aired on Kid's WB.

[@Roguefem76]

Fun fact: Pattycake Productions in Orlando Florida got their name from the "pattycake" joke in this movie. Pattycake Productions has some great live-action Disney Villains and Disney Princesses videos here on KZbin, you two should look into them even if you don't react to them, I think you'll love them! P.S. LA actually did have a much better public transport system back in the 30s. What's used as a villainous plot here actually happened - the railcars were dismantled to make way for a car-based system, at the lobbying of the auto moguls.

[@mayloo2137]

I remember that story about the LA public transit system. I watched this as an adult, so I probably got some stuff while children may not understand it.

[@wattsink2009]

18:04 Fun Fact: The ingredients they mentioned for The Dip (turpentine, acetone, and benzene) are paint thinners. It’s dangerous to cartoons because they are made of paint.

[@chenstormstout9456]

Yep it’s what animators used to dip cels in to reuse them.

[@TherealRNOwwfpooh]

@@chenstormstout9456 Hence the name DIP.

[@michaelschroeck2254]

This was a ground breaking movie. It solidified my passion to be an animator and filmmaker. The scene where they show the history of Eddie and his brother tracking around the desk was simple but very effective non verbal exposition.

[@TheReySkywalker]

The filmmakers constantly had a fan blowing on Lloyd to make his cape blow. Glad you noticed that! So much detail in this film

[@Ykoz2016]

Oh! My god. I’ve lived in LA for a decade and I finally got how true all that public transportation stuff is! If you look up the history of Public Transportation in LA (crazy story) and think about when this movie takes place (the year it’s set, not year made) that’s not just a joke! 😯

[@billvegas8146]

Just like "Chinatown" was about the corruption over the LA water supply.

[@adgato75]

Something that isn't pointed out as often is that this is actually also an excellent noir film. The tone is a bit lighter, because of the toons ( especially Roger ), but it is very much a period noir overall.

[@hyzenthlay7151]

I would say all that was really missing was for Jessica to be a true femme fatale for it to be totally noir

[@bananasaregood8655]

The actor who provided the voice of roger rabbit actually walked around on set dressed like roger, bunny ears aswel! So when they were on break and he was chilling around the movie studios other people filming other movies where thinking ‘man that roger rabbit film there making looks absolutely trash!’ Haha how wrong they were!

[@JamesFarrOfficial]

Saw this in the theater at eight years old and was completely blown away. Even then, the Donald and Daffy scene was incredible to behold. The level of corporate cooperation involved is truly amazing for its time.

[@billvegas8146]

Yeah, who would think that corporations would pounce on a chance to promote their old inventory to a new audience? It just doesn't make any sense. /s

[@JamesFarrOfficial]

@@billvegas8146 Firstly - No matter how innocent, sincere or positive, every KZbin comment I write possesses the uncanny ability to make a sarcastic asshole appear out of nowhere. Can I trade in this super-power for a new one? Secondly - It isn't the fact that old characters were repackaged for a younger audience, it's the fact that FLAGSHIP MASCOTS were depicted on screen together engaging in an unprecedented level of interaction, which required numerous meetings, compromises and workarounds, which anyone familiar with the making of this movie can tell you. This was not common place in the 80s like it is today.

[@billvegas8146]

@@JamesFarrOfficial You made it sound like a diplomatic breakthrough. No one needed an MBA to make that decision. It was really about screen time which was easily agreed to. In other words, chill dude. It's Hollywood.

[@waterywingz]

@@billvegas8146 you chill.

[@mikshin9825]

@@billvegas8146 Show me another cooperation of this magnitude between studios since then and it's been almost 30 years. You aren't the brightest bulb in the set, sadly. You just speak fluent trollish.

[@gubbothehuggo2771]

You don't know how lucky you are to have skill in animation and NOT have seen this a million times already. You are watching this FRESH from the perspective of an animator. That's a precious thing.

[@a.n.9800]

So happy to see more people appreciating the wonderful production in this movie. Someone else in the comments has probably already mentioned it, but this movie is where the animation term “bumping the lamp” came from!

[@bmoak]

Jessica Rabbit is modeled after Tex Avery's "Red Hot Riding Hood" character, with her hairdo taken from 40s film star Veronica Lake.

[@katwithattitude5062]

This was actually the last movie I've seen in a theater, back in August of 1988. Jessica's speaking voice was done by Kathleen Turner, and her singing voice was actress Amy Irving, who was married to Steven Spielberg at the time.

[@catbowserfantasytherapist3132]

You have to give the main actor, Bob Hoskins, so much credit for this role. They did a lot of neat little things for the interactions (like, when they are handcuffed together, the handcuffs are one solid prop and the actor had to move around to act around Roger's "movements"). They did have life size props made for a lot of the toons so that Bob Hoskins knew where to look but he reports that he began to imagine them as he acted and eventually, he actually started to have hallucinations and see them. These hallucinations lasted a good couple months after the filming ended.

[@MyFireElf]

Yes! The movie does so well with integrating the cartoons it's easy to forget how phenomenal Hoskins' body work is. It's what always impresses me most. Sam Neill does similar great work in Memoirs of an Invisible Man.

[@Schnipps]

Honestly, him having a background in Mime and such really allowed him to be so good at it. I don't think anyone else could pull this off honestly.

[@ruffboimags]

This takes place in 1947, and LA actually USED to have pretty solid public transportation. Also $100 was about $1400.

[@aardvarkmaximus7688]

Many of the characters seen when Eddie Valiant leaves the Maroon office are from Fantasia. You have the Ostrich, Hippo, brooms from the Sorcerer's Apprentice and bits from other cartoons, both shirts and full length. Might be time to give Fantasia a watch to see the peak of animation at the time

[@waterywingz]

My dad showed me Fantasia then this movie when I was little. And I was like heyyy wut r uuu guys doing here? 😁 (and the hippo spoke! They didn’t speak in Fantasia. I miss how amused I was)

[@TherealRNOwwfpooh]

Also, the demon minions that pass by Eddie are either Maleficent's goons from _Sleeping Beauty_ or they're demons from the "Night on Bald Mountain" portion of _Fantasia_ featuring Chernabog (a take on the devil incarnate).

[@sawanna508]

I think there are also a couple from the "Silly Symphonys" collections.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Notice how the toons in the night club are ether performing on stage, or serving the human guests but none are in the crowd watching or enjoying the performances/being served themselves... this is because the toons were an allegory for POC in Hollywood at the time good enough to work there on stage or as staff and servers but never as clientele

[@Angelicwings1]

Also the “say hello… Harvey” Is reference to a movie called Harvey where a man sees an invisible rabbit

[@SassySoda]

I'm watching this after watching the reaction to Mary Poppins and i just noticed for the very first time - at 8:50 when he walks into the speak easy, those penguins are from Mary Poppins!

[@a.g.demada5263]

Ah that's why they seemt familiar to me

[@michellepeters7066]

I suggest "Bedknobs and Broomsticks" from 1971.

[@LuvNickynGina4ever]

What a classic 👌

[@lynntaylor9681]

I love that movie. Definitely a classic.

[@Anon-xd3cf]

Good shout...

[@Anon-xd3cf]

I suggest original 1977 version of Petes Dragon.

[@AshXXMayftw]

What I love the movie aside from the animation and the characters, it's a world that actually feels real. The cartoons act like cartoons, but they also follow human rules and whatnot. Like Roger acts silly, but he's not off the wall looney like in the opening cartoon all the time. He mellows out and acts pretty normal a lot of the time. The cartoons blend in well with the human world is what I'm getting at.

[@TherealRNOwwfpooh]

Toons only blend in with humanity & act subdued around humans simply because they have to do so in order to survive when not making animated material. Toons in this world are essentially hand-drawn struggling actors, who do have private lives independent of their studio lives (as proven in "real life" per the existing ToonTown at Disneyland, where the Sensational Six [Mickey & Minnie Mouse, cartoon dog Pluto, Donald & Daisy Duck, and dog-nose Goofy], their nemesis/cantankerous neighbor Pete, and rambunctious chipmunks Chip & Dale all canonically live, with occasional sporadic appearances from Mickey's older brother [as the elder Roy to Mick's Walt] Oswald the Lucky Rabbit & his feline wife Ortensia [after Ozzie had a falling out with previous bunny girlfriend Fanny] and retired plow horse/nightclub technical engineer + milk cow/gossip columnist couple Horace Horse Collar & Clarabelle Cow). Inside their own world of ToonTown, Toons are able to be their true selves, because they're allowed to be as zany or as calm as they wish, since ToonTown is their home away from nosy human paparazzi, although they do keep the land open for families (even if this can result in a real world fracas if two families engage in a scuffle that becomes headline news). In the context of the film's setting, Toons are unfortunately treated as second-class citizens drawn to life for the simple entertainment of human patrons, tragically echoing the real world segregated racism readily apparent during the time period of the 1940's that this 1988 film is set in. For instance, the Ink 'n Paint Club ("Toon Review, Strictly Humans Only") in which Donald & Daffy have their piano duel, Jessica sultrily sings to catcalling onlookers, black & white cartoon star Betty Boop serves as a cocktail waitress, an unnamed cartoon octopus is the bartender, and the penguins working as waiters (they would also feature in a memorable animated segment within Disney's adaptation of P. L. Traver's _Mary Poppins_ much to the bitter author's disapproval) are only employed as hired servers and paid entertainment, not the actual paying customers themselves (who are all real world humans), once more mirroring the genuine racism found in largely segregated areas.

[@thomasgriffiths6758]

When the man in the bar introduces his friend Harvey that's a reference to a Jimmy Stewart movie called Harvey about an alcoholic who has an imaginary friend, that's a 6 ft tall rabbit. The play Harvey was originally released in the early 40s and then the movie was made in 1950, it's a good movie you should do a reaction to it.

[@EssEll9791]

I'd love to see the younger generation reaction to older movies!

[@trinaq]

Judge Doom always scared the bejesus out of me as a child. Christopher Lloyd was the best villain, and don't get me started on his death scene!

[@sawanna508]

Me too. Adn I repressed the memory that the cartoon shoe was compeletly disolved. In my memory it is lifeless but not compeletly gone.

[@TheDaringPastry1313]

17:53 is great! It's a fakeout, because you think he put it on to protect himself as a human, but in actuality it was hinting that he was a toon and he was using extra protection. Also, the behind-the-scenes for this movie is a must watch! One of the coolest scenes is how they did the penguins carrying trays and stuff at the club. Set was built off the ground by 6 feet and they were walking around underneath with trays on sticks stopping at tables so people could pick up drinks, then it was all animation after that making everything seamless. Floating objects like guns and things had strings going up to puppeteers moving them around and animators filled in everything else later. It's amazing what they did with this movie! Even the shaking benches at the piano were being bounced around from above with wires while the toons were playing and they animated it later 08:55. They had stand-in placeholder models for actors on some scenes to help visualize and a lot of the actors actually went to mime school to make it more realistic!

[@waterywingz]

Moviemakers really loved their craft back then 🥲

[@izzybwood3498]

RIP squeaky shoe 😭 The attention to detail in this movie keeps it standing the test of time for me. Still so impressive!

[@MrParkerman6]

Fun Fact: the shoe was voiced by Nancy Cartwright (Bart Simpson)

[@johnsensebe3153]

If you notice, in the secret room, Roger speaks on a literal soapbox. The films of the late '80s were the pinnacle of optical effects, before _Jurassic Park_ and _Terminator 2_ would usher in the era of digital.

[@LadyDinoCrisis]

I truly adore this movie! Everything about it is something that I hold dear to my heart. Rest in peace Bob Hoskins

[@robwilliamson5082]

They production team truly revolutionized blending animation and live action. It’s so brilliantly done. There are some great behind the scenes videos for the film.

[@ANM78]

The animation was added after the filming of the movie. There were puppets and robots on set to create some props movements and they added the animation on top of the footage with celluloid, kind of like how they used to do in general. Fun fact, Jessica's dress was supposed to sparkle during the whole mkvie but the FX needed for this was really hard to achieve and took a lot of time to make as well (it was on a seperate celluloid layer as were the lights and shaddows) that they kept it only for when she first appears on screen. I'm glad because this adds a real WOW factor when you first see her. Also, the first time I watched this movie the toon judge gave me nightmares for days , he's so scary !

[@JodiesSideEye]

Who Framed Roger Rabbit was based on a book that was definitely NOT for children. I was a kid when this came out and I distinctly remember watching this on VHS. I think it's funny now, as an adult, how anyone thought this should be for kids. I was probably way to young to be watching this at the time I did lol.

[@tranatkikomi6873]

I feel like a lot of us grew up watching cartoons made for older audiences because our parents thought “it’s a cartoon, it’s for kids”. This, Shinbone Alley and Footrot Flats: A Dog’s Tail were mine.

[@Vertigotheatre1]

This still hasn't been topped in general when it comes to live action and real life. This is genuinely brilliant from script to casting to direction and the superb animators

[@DanJackson1977]

While this started as a Disney project, it was in development hell til Spielberg and Zemekis came along. Disney animation was just emerging from its "dark age" and wasnt fully up to the task that Spielberg wanted.. so they hired an indie animation genius Richaed Williams to direct the animation.. specifically because they wanted a blend of animation styles.. the quality of classic Disney, the comedy of Warner Bros, and the violent mayhem of Tex Avery (MGM). Richard could do all 3, AND was master of combining live action with animation even with a moving camera (rather than a locked down camera as was the custom since it meant the animators didnt have to change perspectives). But to Richard, it's the animators job to figure out the perspectives so he told them to just shoot the film like a regular movie and hed figure out the rest. This is one of the last 100% Analog / Zero CGI blockbusters.

[@joannieleblanc7306]

I'm so excited! This was one of my favorites growing up. The mix of real and animation blew mind. Thanks for the reaction!

[@fynnthefox9078]

It may not be the first to do it, but it's the first to do it so well. So seamlessly.

[@michaelzabala4850]

The movie takes place in 1947. Almost every single cartoon character except for the main cartoon characters in the movie are from actual different cartoon shows from the 20's, 30's and 40's. Classic movie. One of my favorites from when I was a kid when this movie was released. 🙂

[@theConquerersMama]

This was so incredible on the big screen. Not just the animation but the references landed differently. I took my grandparents who had lived in Los Angeles in the 40.

[@RothAnim]

One big thing about animation director Richard Williams: He animates on 1's. Most of the Loony Tunes (and even many of the Disney animated content) is on 2's: one drawing for every 2 frames of film. Even modern 2d cartoons, which use Flash and Harmony with automatic tweening capabilities, are often broken up into 12 drawings per second to emulate that same classic cartoon feel. This lends itself towards sharper, snappier motions. But Richard Williams works 1 drawing per frame of film. It's part of the reason the opening cartoon looks so fluid. More than that, it's essential to animate the characters at 24 drawings/second to match the live action. There are downsides though: not only is it twice as much work to animate on 1's, but it can lead to softer, "floatier" looking animation. (That came to bite back on his life's work, "The Thief and the Cobbler", which was ALSO all animated on 1's.)

[@bloodgulchblues4094]

This is one of my favorite movies of all time I absolutely adore it. Fun fact! The phrase "bumping the lamp", a phrase used to describe when filmmakers go above and beyond on a project, originated from the scene with Eddie and Roger in the old rotgut room. Roger bumps the lamp (and you'll notice the toon characters are constantly interacting with the physical set and props throughout the movie) and it swings back and forth for the rest of the scene, meaning the crew had to animate unique shadows on Roger from a constantly changing light source for the entire sequence. Every time you watch this movie you notice new little touches that made this world so believable, it's wonderful!

[@kevinkern2149]

Fun fact: Doom's freeway plot is loosely based on the Great American Streetcar Scandal in which General Motors, Firestone Tire, and other automotive-type companies were found to be buying several cities' trolley and interurban networks for the express purpose of dismantling and "bustituting" them in the immediate post-WWII era, thereby promoting highway growth and car culture. This most infamously included the once-extensive systems of LA (the Pacific Electric's Red Cars as seen in the movie) and San Francisco/Oakland (the Key System). The shortsightedness of this is widely lamented today as by the time congestion and smog became serious enough issues to revive interest in public rail transit (in the form of LA's Metro Rail and SF's BART and MUNI), these cities had to start over essentially from scratch.

[@Elios0000]

in the 30's LA had an AMAZING public transit system ... then car makers and lobbied it in to the ground...

[@ryanturcotte1915]

Bob Hoskins (Eddie Valiant) underwent mime training for this film in order to convincingly interact with characters who weren’t there. For example, picking up Roger in such a way that looked like there was weight in his hand.

[@erikawilliams9558]

I've seen this movie so many times i sometimes forget how amazing the practical effects are. Thanks for reminding me

[@absoblume]

Literally saw this like two days ago for the first time and ironically went "man I wonder when my favorite reactors are going to do this one?" Meaning you guys, of course! You just made my day! 😄 Love your reactions!

[@Darkstar72SR]

I saw this movie when it first came out and to this day, Psycho Weasels small line, “Time to kill the rabbit, hehe,” will still slip out of my mouth from time to time

[@rebajoe]

If anyone was gonna turn out to be secretly a toon it'd be Christopher Lloyd. Dooms Freeway plan is based on an actual conspiracy, where tire companies were buying out the roads and trolleys so people would have to use regular cars and buy more tires, but part of it was that they weren't expecting families to have more than one vehicle. I like how Eddies song and dance doesn't come out of nowhere, during the pan over of his desk we see a picture of him and his brother with their dad as clowns for the Ringling Bros circus.(which if you think about it is the closest a human can get to being a toon)

[@ChuChuBloons]

18:19 “how is this a kids movie??” Rolled me over 😂😂😅

[@DonnaCPunk]

I remember seeing this in the theatre. I was 12 when this came out. And, all of these years later, I STILL have the stuffed Roger Rabbit I got when this movie was popular.

[@Stratelier]

Fun fact: in the 1930s and 1940s, Los Angeles actually DID have a world-class public transportation system. It declined in the 50s onwards as personal cars took over until ... well, we get to today.

[@benjamindelatorre2483]

As a couple of guys claiming to be animators, I'm really surprised you were unfamiliar with this film. Not only is it very popular, but it's also a great technical achievement, obviously.

[@whitenoisereacts]

Which is why we watched it! Also, Nobu is the animator, not I

[@Scheherasad]

This is such an old movie , the young people do not care about it (usually). I enjoyed that these 2 young men did.

[@laurenherda2415]

One of the greatest films ever made in my opinion, so ahead of its time and the noir aspect is amazing, the acting and animation is mind blowing

[@garybassin1651]

The story of the public transportation is based on fact. In the 1940s, all of the automobile companies bought out the public transport in Los Angeles to force people to buy cars. This wasn't discovered until decades later and there was no one to punish as the people responsible had died. Since then, the city and county brought back the red car trolleys and the subway system.

[@TorreFernand]

This wasn't as sinister than the popular history suggests. Busses were more efficient in terms of mainteanance and more versatile (street cars had seen no innovation in decades because streetcar companies were sleeping on their laurels). At the time, automobile companies (who manufactured busses) truly thought they were doing cities a favor!

[@TorreFernand]

This wasn't as sinister than the popular history suggests. Busses were more efficient in terms of maintenance and more versatile (street cars had seen no innovation in decades because streetcar companies were sleeping on their laurels). At the time, automobile companies (who manufactured busses) truly thought they were doing cities a favor!

[@lesliemonster92]

I think anyone will attest that this movie had one of the most insane productions ever. So groundbreaking, with heights of creative ingenuity we hadn't seen before, or may ever see again. Bittersweet fun fact is that this was one of the last times Mel Blanc lent his voice to Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Porky Pig, Tweedy Bird, and Sylvester the Cat before his death the following year. Its three Academy Awards were well-deserved: Best Film Editing, Best Sound Effects Editing, Best Visual Effects.

[@richardzinns5676]

Did you notice that Eddie has a Maltese falcon statuette in his office? It's not in a conspicuously featured place (blink and you'll miss it), but it's there. I guess every private eye of that period must have one of those as a memento of a previous case.

[@rebeccamichael626]

Fun Fact: Who Framed Roger Rabbit is set in 1947, and any cartoon character that existed before '47 is here. Any cartoon character made in '48 or after isn't here because they didn't exist yet. Example - Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, Betty Boop, Mickey Mouse, Disney movies from 37-47, etc. existed before 1947, but characters like Cinderella and the mice aren't here because they're from 1950.

[@jsl151850b]

11:07 "How did they do that?" *$$$$$*

[@mcjansen]

I recently saw The Corridor Crew guys doing an episode of CGI reacts about this movie, how they did the effects and the stand-in work for the animation. This was something unique for the 80’s. I’ve watched this movie back in the days with my dad and really enjoyed it as a kid.

[@Mr17051963]

Police mistery story from the 40’s with a cartoon twist! 😂 Love this movie since the theatrical release!!!! Note the use of shadows in the photography, reproducing the “film noir” mood from the 40’s too. Simply amazing!!!! 😊

[@larasemerad2605]

Classic Voice overs in Disney and TV were in this movie-A reunion of the best from 1930-present when this movie was made.

[@Mangolite]

Harvey is the inivisble rabbit in the 1950 film starring Jimmy Stewart.

[@Jess-ko1ph]

Also the backflips bit was foreshadowed in the ted (his brother) scene with his desk. He was in the circus as a kid

[@marcbloom7462]

The Movie is set in 1947, and all the vintage cartoons are from that time. The Red Car really was shut down to encourage people to buy and drive cars instead. Check out Chinatown to get another movie where the origan of modern LA is part of the plot.

[@biguy617]

Kathleen Turner voices Jessica Rabbit. She was great in the role. Roger Rabbit was voiced by the man that got the manure out of Biff’s car.

[@warre1]

And Amy Irving her singing voice.

[@nickthedreamer4434]

To look up how this was done, I always recommend a few videos: First off, here on KZbin, Corridor Crew reacts to the effects of this film and talk about how some of the stuff works out in their video "VFX Artists React to Bad & Great CGi 12". I highly recommend watching the video (they do also have a series where they react to animation in general if you haven't seen them before). Second, on Disney+, there's a series called "Prop Culture" which talks about different props used for certain films and how they got things to work and there is an episode solely based on Who Framed Roger Rabbit. I also highly recommend watching that as well as the whole Prop Culture series.

[@coryg.3139]

Interesting to note that this movie recasted the original voices of Betty Boop (Mae Questel) and all of the Looney Tunes (Mel Blanc). Both famous voice actors died the year after the film’s release, making this film one of the few last ones they ever worked on.

[@kay-jay1581]

I’m honestly surprised you never watched s this before! Even as a kid. This is one of my favorite movies ever.

[@johnnehrich9601]

I think the producers felt that if this movie was considered a children's movie, it would trivialize it. I think they deliberately put in lots of off-color jokes and references so it would be considered an adult story.

[@MrParkerman6]

There is no such thing as a children or kid's movies and the terms need to be abolished!

[@fynnthefox9078]

Yeah, tobacco, alcohol, sexual references, deaths.

[@TherealRNOwwfpooh]

@@MrParkerman6 It's just "good wholesome FAMILY entertainment", am I right, boys? XD

[@MrJamaigar]

​​@@MrParkerman6😅 People thinking it was all kids' stuff have no idea just how much money cartoons were moving at the box office, back in the day: all the cash and work going into a single Tom and Jerry, or Looney Tunes short. I've read stories of animators in the 40's being pushed really hard, with little compensation, and hating their bosses behind their back. That's why Disney had a strike in 1941, amid production of Dumbo. Animator Art Babbitt was with the strikers, and Walt never forgave him for that, apparently.

[@_mayathecreator_]

So nostalgic! I used to watch this movie all the time since I was 3 years old. Watching this now I realized how many adult jokes went over my head.

[@paulshaw9953]

No one ever notices Rogers finger prints in the dust on the chair, it's such a great touch

[@larrybremer4930]

The bar patron that says he had seen the rabbit and says "Say Hello, Harvey" is a reference to an old movie where only one person can see an invisible talking human sized rabbit named Harvey.

[@ChickChickChirp]

Animation is everything to me, and this movie is amazing when it comes to a real life and animation combo. It was also made before digital animation was a thing, so it's all paper animated

[@lonewolfe8625]

I am so happy happy that you guys watched this movie. The animation is awesome. Also Jessica Rabbit was my first girl crush. Lol I still live that line, I'm not bad, i'm just drawn that way. I think they drew the animation frame by frame. So impressive.

[@fidel2xl]

Good reaction, guys. Although the movie was made in 1988, the time period the movie was based on is an alternative history in 1947. So, it's based in the 1940s playing off the 1940s 'Film Noir Detective Stories' genre.

[@bonniebynature]

I love this movie! I just find it sad that I've seen some other reactors instantly assume Jessica is evil or sus because of the way she looks :/ Like she says '' I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way.'' She adores Roger. She's flirty, but so what? She's faithful. She struggles through the whole movie for Roger's sake. Just- I love her, okay?😅

[@KitsyX]

Faithful? She played pattycake with another man! That's unforgivable lol.

[@bonniebynature]

@@KitsyX She did XD Under blackmail. Again, for Roger's sake and job.

[@princesspixel3151]

“I’m not bad, I’m just drawn that way” Meanwhile in today’s anime (and beyond), we got a lotta guys whose nose are bleeding 😂

[@MrParkerman6]

That is the point, she is a red herring with literal red hair! So in this case a Red HAIR-ing!

[@MrParkerman6]

@@bonniebynature It doesn't matter if it was black mail, dumbass. She still didn't have to do it and chose to do so!

[@TheNeonRabbit]

I love that Toon Town has different physics. If you step off a cliff you won't fall until you look down.

[@theConquerersMama]

Harvey the 6 foot invisible rabbit/pookah reference from the the James Stewart movie at 28:00

[@Anon-xd3cf]

As animators, i would highly recommend looking into some of the behind the scenes work on this movie. There are a number of documentaries about it. I would also recommend the Original 1977 version of "Petes Dragon".

[@MicaAnneArts]

When the guy in the bar says “Say hello Harvey”, he’s referencing an old movie called Harvey starring Jimmy Stewart. It’s about a guy who claims to see a six foot tall rabbit named Harvey. It’s also a play as well. I for sure recommend checking it out.

[@TSIRKLAND]

Disney Plus has a pretty cool show called "Prop Culture." One of the episodes dives into this film, and the props they used to make it happen. The taxi cab they drove, the on-set Roger double for eye-line, etc.

[@meredithmiller7016]

I. Love. This. MOVIE. It was one of the first movies I ever saw as a little kid and it blew my mind. It is one of my favorites, holds up in my opinion, and is absolutely iconic. I am SO glad y'all did this one :)