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@claudianreyn45293 жыл бұрын
I have a song that with -1.0db true pick has 3min -14.0LUFS and 1 last minute -7.5LUFS. What should I do? Let it like this?
@Taffafilms3 жыл бұрын
So, they changed the system already and the link below to the Spotify page doesn't work anymore just a week after this video? Am I right? Loved your vid tho...
@DBCisco3 жыл бұрын
I still use the 80/20 rule. 80% of my listeners can't tell and 20% don't care.
@Whiteseastudio3 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha
@chillingFriend3 жыл бұрын
Pareto approved :)
@georgepelekoudis3 жыл бұрын
😅 Ain’t that the truth.
@jenyahp28283 жыл бұрын
Shouldn’t you care?
@DBCisco3 жыл бұрын
@@jenyahp2828 no
@TangleWireTube3 жыл бұрын
Something else to consider, is that Spotify users can also just turn off the “Loudness Normalization” option. Fully disable it. I tested a few hip hop tracks (popular releases and some underground stuff). With LN on, they were the expected -14 LUFS and their True Peaks were down around -2.5 to -3 because of the loudness penalty. However with LN disabled, these same tracks had integrated LUFT around -9 and True Peaks at 0.3 to 0.5. HUGE differences in loudness. (You have to reload the song that’s cued for the disabled setting to take effect). My concern here would be, for percentage of listeners who disabled the LN setting in Spotify, your track may sound very quiet coming off a list of tracts all at -9 LUFTS. Your song is mastered at -14 (or -13) so you will incur a minimal penalty when LN is enabled. But if an end user turns off the penalty machine... well now you’ve self inflicted your own penalty to be the quietest track they hear all day. If LN is disabled, they are not adjusting volumes. It is what it is at that point. Commercial releases are all up at -9 LUFT (likely louder for really heavy stuff). They all still sound good when the LN turns them down. I think it might be a good ideal to disable LN... take a bunch of readings from artist you respect to reference, in a similar genre, average those readings and submit your masters at the levels that seem to be working for them. Accepting that your volume WILL be turned down for the majority of listeners with LN enabled. At the same time protecting you loudness levels from those who turn it off. If it sounds good at -9 LUFT it should sound just as good to the end listener if they’ve cranked the volume, or turned it down halfway on their headphones. Essentially, that is all the loudness penalty is doing.
@gwsound3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for KZbin investigation as well. Thanks for this one. Good to know that it is better delivering at 41k.
@neilslade3 жыл бұрын
Put your music on Spotify- earn no money. Help make Spotify rich.
@m0j0b0ne3 жыл бұрын
If Spotify ain't making you money, you're doing it wrong. Learn to do it so that a few million people listen to it five or ten times a day, and you'll have no complaints about the money.
@WarrenPostma3 жыл бұрын
@@m0j0b0ne Bullshit. If Benn Jordan can't make it work, it's broken.
@m0j0b0ne3 жыл бұрын
@@WarrenPostma Who's Benn Jordan?
@MayolBlue3 жыл бұрын
Put your music where, in order to be rich? Please fill us in so we can follow your example and make tons of money from our music ;-)
@RicoLee27Ай бұрын
Spotify making music with ads and low quality audio where you onky earn small fee if you het crazy amount of views. Those business are bit corrupted indeed. Even Bandcamp is a better option or selling cd's or Vynil. Even Cassetes get still sold in the metal/punk scene
@Cold-13 жыл бұрын
Converting FLAC to WAV is *not* a destructive process! You can do that a million times (FLAC -> WAV -> FLAC -> ...) and still get the original file in the end. So that concern is pretty baseless. The same goes for Apple Lossless btw. And yes, FLAC also supports higher bitrates than 16bit, and also higher frequenzy settings than 44100.
@dextrodemon3 жыл бұрын
even though this obviously has to be true somehow in my heart i don't believe it lol
@deegeeooh3 жыл бұрын
yes, Spotify preferring FLAC over WAV here you should just probably read "easier" as "cheaper"(infrastructure wise) in this regard
@matthijshebly2 жыл бұрын
@@dextrodemon So you don't use zip either? Because that's conceptually exactly the same.
@skinnyhastrup46142 жыл бұрын
You can do an md5 checksum of a wav, then flac/wav it 10 times and the md5 of the wav will stay the same. That's how accurate it is.
@Kiloeve3 жыл бұрын
I honestly think that, instead of worrying about how loud a track is, you worry about how dynamic the track is. Or instead, you are at least aware of what the LU range is. If a track is at -14 LUFs, and has a high loudness range, you're good! Same with tracks that are -7, -6, -5 LUFs, etc. Distortion or no distortion, if it sounds great, it sounds great!
@visionsfromgn-z11573 жыл бұрын
Exactlyyy! Definitely going to try this in my next track!
@julianknowles74503 жыл бұрын
-14 is ok for the 30% of platforms that actually have loudness management. As for the other 70%..... that no one ever mentions...
@koe45423 жыл бұрын
How much is good dynamic range to have? I remember i saw a video saying that 5-6db is okeish and above 6 is more than good, for a track mastered at -7-8 LUFS, but i'd like to hear some more opinions
@Kiloeve3 жыл бұрын
@@koe4542 There isn't a right answer I don't think. might depend on your genre, context, what you're referencing maybe and what just sounds right to the music, and just like with LUFs, you should check with your ears too.
@damienlewis78823 жыл бұрын
Spotify needs to let us upload the same song and several lufs and see what sounds best after their algos.
@tobiaskeilmusic3 жыл бұрын
When you listen to Spotify with the loudness normalization turned off, you'll find, that not a single professional track is mastered at -14 LUFS. I made the mistake once to master a track at -14. Now, when i listen to it (loundess normalization turned off) it sounds crappy next to all the other tracks, just because of the loudness difference. So in my experience right now it is not advisable to stick to those spotify mastering guidelines. Maybe this will change in the future? What are you're own experiences?
@fluctura3 жыл бұрын
What level do you target?
@tobiaskeilmusic3 жыл бұрын
@@fluctura most of the time I look at a couple of songs from the same genre, that I like and then target a similar level. The exact value changes. A Brooks / David Guetta Production is way louder than a fluffy Singer-Songwriter Production. So for me there is no ONE level to target. But none of the reference tracks are at -14 LUFS.
@fluctura3 жыл бұрын
@@tobiaskeilmusic Thank you for the insight :) Good way to go I guess 👌
@hip-gun-studio3 жыл бұрын
Same experience here...and last year i asked on fb how many of my friends have loudness normalization turned on...it was only 1/3 of them. I like the idea of -14 Lufs, but as long as Loudnes normalization is just an option, i prefere louder master coz i am listening on spotify with it turned of too. i usualy give my clients the hint to use my -14Lufs and -1 true peak for uploading on youtube and my loud masters for spotify. For any other streaming plattform i dont give an advice Cheers
@jellewierda38283 жыл бұрын
I also mix tv and radio commercials. For Spotify the level should be -14LUFS. But when you listen to Spotify the commercials are always much louder than the music. Speciality their own crappy commercials....
@beyojr3 жыл бұрын
I would love the video on KZbin's codex 🙌 It would be really really helpful.
@erestube3 жыл бұрын
It helps to have someone walk you through it. Very informative. Good video topic!
@DomSigalas3 жыл бұрын
Great video! And I totally sympathise with the fact that we always have to disclaim that we are not sponsored if we get enthusiastic about something on KZbin. It IS tiring and funnily enough, most people that are into gear and music production tend to be enthusiastic about what they do :)
@PuRe_AdDicT3 жыл бұрын
When is the MBP video? :D
@lachinelli3 жыл бұрын
I have normalization turned off in Spotify. 100% of the music I listen being new or old is mastered loud. As long as normalization can be turned off, I wouldn't master to -14 lufs.
@marekd27333 жыл бұрын
I personally like it when I don't need to adjust the volume for whole listening session and everything is nicely on the same loudness. On other hand I don't like what Apple Music does with its normalization.
@ramspencer54923 жыл бұрын
Most people don't change the normalization settings.
@lachinelli3 жыл бұрын
@@ramspencer5492 but when they do, a master in the -14 lufs will sound very quiet and weak compared to most of the albums released to this day.
@ramspencer54923 жыл бұрын
@@lachinelli yeah. No universal answer..... 🙃
@DjemGuitar3 жыл бұрын
I normally go to around -8 lufs even to -6 lufs in extreme loud areas of the song. It usually compares decently to most songs (which are damn loud) with normalisation off, however sounds much better than them when the normalisation is on. So a good middle ground ish. Plus the track will hold up to radio play !
@tomix1970pl13 жыл бұрын
I was mixing my metal -10LUFS.And i have check it up.And my mixes was destroyed.I made them -14LUFS and sound is perfect.A good tip this time mate.Thank you.
@urbanloops3 жыл бұрын
Did you lower the true peak? Spotify adds a limiter at -1 db and the file type they convert clips over delivered true peak which is why the recommend -2 true peak.
@julianknowles74503 жыл бұрын
It's not destroying something if it is just turned down. In what way was it 'destroyed'?
@lachinelli3 жыл бұрын
Disable normalization on Spotify and compare your mix to the latest Igorrr album. You'll see why you can't master quiet just yet.
@matthijshebly3 жыл бұрын
FLAC is lossless, so the resulting audio is literally the same, bit by bit, as the WAV file. It's like ZIPping a file: no losses.
@skinnyhastrup46142 жыл бұрын
True, but a conversion not needed is one less thing to go wrong.
@matthijshebly2 жыл бұрын
@@skinnyhastrup4614 So you don't use zip either? The original can *also* be damaged, you know...
@CaldoHits3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. I recently learnt that -14 LUFS doesn't necessarily mean quieter. An example of this is Kenny Mason's Angelic Hoodrat. It has a great perceived loudness and lower LUFS than most loud songs. Glen Schick mastered. It sounds great to me.
@Sushibeats13373 жыл бұрын
YES! This is the video I needed and wanted
@andrewwunrow3 жыл бұрын
Aileé Zaga has a good video on the KZbin loudness normalization, and Marques Brownlee has one on the KZbin compression (he does talk about the audio as well as video). But of course, I would be interested in your thoughts as well! This video was very helpful, and honestly much more interesting than I expected!
@dustystewart430 Жыл бұрын
I realize that as I’m writing this (Dec 2022) this episode is now a year old, but I still find it to be very informative, and very pertinent. Thanks for taking the time to clarify, and to cut through the confusion, Vytse. While I was already aware of Spotify’s requirement of -1dB true peak for -14 LUFS, I did NOT know about their requirement for a true peak of -2db for LUFS that are hotter than -14db. And, I absolutely agree with you about mastering to the -14db LUFS “target” that Spotify prefers… Like yourself, I would much rather deliver audio that was a bit hotter than -14db LUFS, and have them “penalize” me by turning the volume down…as opposed to delivering something shy of -14db, and leaving it to Spotify to make the volume louder, as increasing the volume would likely involve the use of additional limiting, and THAT has the potential (probability) of introducing distortion. And, considering the massive amount of content that Spotify receives (even in one day), it’s safe to assume that the limiting would be an automated process, (a “bot”) and not monitored and controlled by an actual mastering engineer, (or anyone human) who would understand the process, and know to take precautions to avoid it (along with any other possible wizzly artifacts that are inherent in lossy formats) which could audibly alter the fidelity of the original master. Anyhooo… Great video. 😊
@OhShootKid3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this White Sea! Appreciate it a lot
@newguy69353 жыл бұрын
Since I don't do EDM or any heavy beat music, I use Amazon's spec which is -13 with -2 TP. That way the file works pretty much anywhere.
@thequeenisdeadrecords3 жыл бұрын
Aaaah, very interesting! All your videos about mastering are a great help especially these days as I'm mastering an ambitious album I have mixed and I want to take care of it.
@24k-n6x3 жыл бұрын
Also audio mastered for audio is also around -14LUFS! The most old fashioned analog format (vinyl) and most modern digital format (audio streaming), both killed loudness introduced by CD format! Now, isnt that something....
@boblowmixes26363 жыл бұрын
Yes please on the You Tube Video idea!
@siggidori3 жыл бұрын
Spotify changed to LUFS in November/December 2020. And they have changed the normalisation settings so that Quiet and Normal level settings never apply a limiter. They will only raise the volume as far as the max TP value allows.
@siggidori3 жыл бұрын
Which is a huge improvement of course.
@ArthurElectric3 жыл бұрын
I LUFS this
@TheSakuraGumiLTD3 жыл бұрын
This is new item to add to the mix chacking list
@djvidual82883 жыл бұрын
Thanks for walking us through, didn't think there is so much behind that Spotfiy adjustments.
@JacobWildrick3 жыл бұрын
It did help me thanks so much ! More videos about this topic would be much appreciated!
@woodless3 жыл бұрын
Your video came out right when I had that issue in my head. Thanks for explanation and for the provided information!
@panacea-studios3 жыл бұрын
I have being mastering at -2 true peak for a while now. I couldn't remember why.😂 Thanks for reminding me of the articles on spotify website.🤟
@svarogstudio3 жыл бұрын
People/engineers need to chill about this whole "mastering for streaming" and "-14LUFS". Do a good sounding and, yeah, loud master and you are good to go. Just take a listen to all the commercial releases, nobody masters at -14Lufs, but rather -11 to -6.
@red0ctane193 жыл бұрын
This was great! Thank you! A KZbin one would also be amazing. KZbin is very odd and has something else going in indeed.
@Styrant3 жыл бұрын
This is great information, I was working on a album and wasnt too concerned with matching loudness as I thought streaming would handle it but it appears to not be so!
@DankoHidalgo3 жыл бұрын
Again, you don't need to play with the gain fader in Pro-L 2 to try to get to a certain LUFS number, just use MLoudnessAnalyzer and it does it automatically. There's a lot of plugins that adjust the volume of your track automatically to reach a certain point in the LUFS meter, even Waves has one, but the one made by Melda is the best in my opinion; simple, straight to the point and works great.
@MartinFellerMusic3 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@Not-Only-Reaper-Tutorials3 жыл бұрын
pay attention that true-peak is not the peak. But the peak forming through peaks, during D/A conversion. There are plugins (also free) that are showing these, and limiters that are taking under control True Peaks, like the Pro-L2 you are using
@Slitter_the_Dubstep3 жыл бұрын
Im totally wanting to see this kind of video about the youtube audio!!!! im mainly using youtube as my music listening service and i would really like to know all about the weird stuff that their algorhythm is doing with the sound of the files that we upload to this site!!
@stewie31283 жыл бұрын
KZbin mangles audio
@CLdwyer3 жыл бұрын
This is very interesting 🤨 thank you for this info! 🙌🏾 I agree, transcoding is the problematic part and nobody can avoid that. Many people commenting here about how loudness standards can be avoided/ignored but transcoding hot files can/will provide distortion. It’s digital audio. So going loud as possible in your submission seems foolish unless you want bit distortion. And bit distortion always seems to garble the clarity and diminish the stereo field. Seems to me (mathematically) a min of -11 LUFS while having 2db of headroom in the submission is ideal. Which would make the mastering close to a min or 9 RMS/LUFS before the peak headroom. I imagine if you’re doing a “single”, you could simply apply the transcoding yourself to simulate the affect and tailor the headroom for your submissions.
@julianknowles74503 жыл бұрын
The issue with headroom is peak related, not average related, and therefore not loudness related. You can have a -9LUFs master with 1dB true peak headroom and you can have a -11LUFS master with the same 1dB true peak headroom. Granted, in many instances a mastering engineer will produce a CD master with 0.1db of peak headroom and will then just lower this by a fraction of a dB for the streaming and download master because its quicker. There are good tools now like Streamliner that allow you to audition the codec while mastering. This means in many cases you can push it to -0.5 or so with no issues. It's highly program and genre dependent.
@CLdwyer3 жыл бұрын
@@julianknowles7450 I think auditioning the codec is the important part. Because a master with -9/-8 LUFS is more likely to experience distortion when converting. (Because they convert to the streaming codecs first before they loudness normalize) Best is to test it. Furthermore, best is to master it so it sounds good. But to your point, sending it out based on peak level is the way to go. Give the headroom it needs for the codec (or not lol) My point about a min of -11 LUFS is because if it is below that level [and someone listens to Spotify “Loud” or other settings] Spotify will apply additional limiting to bring your track up to -11 (and that could be unflattering).
@roskas43 жыл бұрын
thanx a lot
@nickglover2 жыл бұрын
FYI, they have since updated their system to a) use integrated LUFS and b) only apply the limiter when using the "Loud" normalization setting, which is not the default setting (hooray!). Much better now.
@ChrisSchutte773 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Super Helpful!
@fredrikuppsall10433 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the summary !
@akhilchandrashekar17253 жыл бұрын
Omg tree point tree woooh!!!
@burgerbeatz62933 жыл бұрын
Very insightful video, kudos!
@markdeboerfotografie3 жыл бұрын
Interessante informatie. Dank voor de video!
@SeverinGomboc_Musik3 жыл бұрын
that was the best video I saw from you! Super informative. Thanks..
@ErraticCamera3 жыл бұрын
Very nice content. Thank you for going through this and sharing these tips.
@NeilDSouza73 жыл бұрын
That's gonna put you in a very tight 'SPOT', financially as well !!!
@Not-Only-Reaper-Tutorials3 жыл бұрын
dithering is something you have to deliver. They cannot add anything. They don't cut down bit depth so you have not to worry too much about
@theman9643 жыл бұрын
very useful info man, thanks alot for the insights
@FatNorthernBigot3 жыл бұрын
I've didn't know about the -2dB rule! Thank you!
@themagicianofsound3 жыл бұрын
What will happen is the day Spotify and/or other platforms decide to change the LUFS "reference" to let say -12 or -10 then all those who have mastered at -14 will loose that competitive sound versus the louder ones. Also, when artists submit music to curators, their music is judged by people listening the WAV file without any normalization and these people listen to one WAV file after another without turning constantly their volume knob. Quiet masters are at risk of not being selected. I have made the test myself: the same song mastered at -14 LUFS and then at -9 LUFS. The -14 LUFS version of the song was rejected from all playlists and was qualified as "unfinished". The -9 LUFS version sent to the same curators was accepted in 5 playlists and 3 radio stations. This was the exact same sound. Just the gain what different. The loudness war has never ended and will never do. Somehow, despite of the normalization, loudness remains important, but with some balance with dynamics. This interesting experience that I describe here changed my perspective about mastering as many artists rely on the number of playlists selections of their music to judge the work of their engineers.
@Rhuggins Жыл бұрын
I know this is over a year or so old but great video thanks! No ridge wallet anymore? 🤣
@currywhiskers3 жыл бұрын
13:16 is why I keep the normalization setting off, it ruins songs, especially older music that wasn't sausaged. It helps to also compare your favorite track(s) with the setting off and on. Most of the tracks on the Global Charts playlist hit around 6-9 LUFS without normalization.
@troeteimarsch3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@AlexRG83 жыл бұрын
Great tips and tricks, thank you
@Charmoffalling3 жыл бұрын
There´s been a wonderful Google Talk from Andrew Scheps about that. Audio Quality in Streaming Media. But almost 10 years old so the algos won´t work like that now I think. But still and for other reasons interesting. Concerning the whole topic.
@emilkey123 жыл бұрын
So basically cutting everything over 21kHz and mastering at -2,1 dBFS TP and around -10,9 iLUFS will end up with the file that doesn't get changed at all (not considering transcoding loss) on Spotify?
@claudianreyn45293 жыл бұрын
brickwall at 20Hz and at 20kHz more exactly.
@emilkey123 жыл бұрын
@@claudianreyn4529 Yeah, but when cutting so exact, we would need to work with FFT to minimize the artifacts and thats really CPU intensive...
@stewie31283 жыл бұрын
@@claudianreyn4529 Nyqust limit of 44.1 is 22.05khz.
@djazz03 жыл бұрын
Music Is LUFS Forever
@jellewierda38283 жыл бұрын
Just produced a Drum & Bass track. -6/8 dB RMS. Not gonna change that for Spotify! 😂
@ryanthomas12963 жыл бұрын
None of this is relevant if you do not “Enable Audio Normalization” There will still be loss from Spotify conversion but it does not seem logical to master your level for an option that can be disabled. Everyone that is listening without audio normalization will hear the actual mastered volume adding up to a couple db due to the conversion process which is why you should leave some true peak headroom in your .wav master to avoid clipping after conversion to lossy codecs. In the latest versions of Ozone you can use Codec preview to view your level changes and even solo the artifacts or “loss” in AAC format at different bit rates. So if you upload a -14 LUFS master it will sound really quiet and weak compared to a -8 LUFS rock mix (or -3 LUFS EDM mix 😬) when Audio Normalization is off and that is never ok. It’s better to take the penalty and have it turned down for those who prefer to enable audio normalization and never have the possibility of anyone hearing a quiet version of your track. The loudness war is not over yet. Trust me I can’t wait for it to be. 🤘🏼 P.S.- Somebody should do a video about this 😉
@julianknowles74503 жыл бұрын
Exactly this. Most videos on youtube about the 'best level for spotify' completely miss this point, as they ignore the fact that you do not submit a separate master to spotify than the download platforms. When you really understand mastering and digital distribution, you realise that this 'master to -14LUFS' thing is a major misunderstanding of what actually happens on platforms and with distribution. I wish this simple fact was mentioned in these videos. Disappointingly it is always avoided. Meanwhile, mastering engineers all master between -11 and -6LUFS. They are not stupid.
@temizu60843 жыл бұрын
I personally always bring my masters loud (av. - 9 LUF), 48/24, - 1.3 dB TP for all platforms. As you say, I prefer my music turned down than compressed more; if someday streaming services decide to turn up their volume, I don't have to be worried since I'm already loud, therefore the only issue I have left is true peak and dynamic range 🤷♂️.
@pocket16842 жыл бұрын
Same here. I av -9 sometimes -8 for some projects that are more aggressive w no issues.... When I started to mix my tracks at -14 they lost the cool natural compression that comes from a limiter pushing harder along w other processing..
@ptbempire3 жыл бұрын
Currently learning how to ddp now in reaper i hate that my ep has breaks in it
@elmezourymouad52283 жыл бұрын
You should do a snake oil on lurssen mastering plugin 👋👋😍
@nadiarazi62513 жыл бұрын
Great video!🙏
@ramspencer54923 жыл бұрын
Thanks. The good thing in all this is this is that the loudness war isn't killing out dynamics like it was. Was getting stupid.
@julianknowles74503 жыл бұрын
You’re kidding , right? Masters are blisteringly loud. Way louder then they have ever been,
@ramspencer54923 жыл бұрын
@@julianknowles7450 they were..... Most people are releasing for streaming now. And services have lowered the ceiling of the loudness wars. It's a welcome change! I guess it you're still buying CD's.... Yeah. They'd still be really squashed, clipped and loud.
@julianknowles74503 жыл бұрын
@@ramspencer5492 are you releasing music and working with pro MEs? Further, have you taken measurements of any music released in the past 5 years since streaming services became popular? The evidence is all there my friend. Masters are blisteringly loud stilll. Just download any track and measure it. What people don't get (unless they are releasing music and working with MEs) is that one master goes to all platforms. Yes, that means the majority of platforms that are not loudness managed. Streaming services are only part of the picture for a master. You cannot 'master for spotify' and ignore the hundreds of other platforms that the same master is distributed to. This simple fact seems to elude 99% of the internet.
@ramspencer54923 жыл бұрын
@@julianknowles7450 hmmmm.... maybe some people are doing it that way. Nobody I know through. Everyone I know are doing it more like it's shown on your video. To each their own.... If you don't have more dynamics you get penalized, because your average loudness is what they base normalization on. Spotify, tidal, apple, youtube.... etc. Then afterwards your track ends up sounding DB's quieter than average. Anyone who hasn't adjusted to the main streaming platforms is behind the curve.
@ramspencer54923 жыл бұрын
@@julianknowles7450 I literally can't think of the last time anyone I know bought a CD. Maybe at a concert 10 years ago.
@chazmxo3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for like Spotify hifi
@h-dawg6462 Жыл бұрын
meters going into the red isn't a problem with converted files, it's just something that happens within software reading that converted sound, as long as your master isn't in the red and distorted then the converted file sound should be fine. also, this -14 lufs is nonsense! it's just a guideline, tracks at -12 or -13 lufs can be louder than -14, it all depends on the mix/instruments within. produce with your ears, not a graph!!
@isoladellerosetv3 жыл бұрын
I read a lot of comments of people that say that -14 is not that good.. but if you make your songs at -6lufs what about the db? are you using -1db or -2db?
@jamodrama38973 жыл бұрын
What about loudness levels when mastering for CD ?
@gregrelmueab21423 жыл бұрын
But woudn‘t it be better to master to like 11 Lufs (if possible for the song of course), so that the song doesn‘t get crushed by spotify on the „loud“ setting?
@TecDruid3 жыл бұрын
I do make my Tracks around -6 to -8 Lufs becourse i have taken samples of my favorite CDs of my genre and looked: How loud are they masterd? So yes -6 is loud but i found many tracks on Soundcloud that are even Louder than the -8Lufs. And to me it works the best in that Loudness range. Becourse i and othes can compare the Musik without having a to big drop in Loudness. In a Genre that is most common mixed by DJs (psytrance) and is Played LOUD mostly on PA Systems - it is not unimportant to have equal Loudness! It is often not understood what happen and often missunderstod by non DJs that have no practise playing Musik so loud in front of the Audience. Let me explain: DJs have not the same Volume Gain resource on their Mixers to make quieter Tracks loud. This will result in a problem most known in Missunderstanding saying - THAT TRACK is Cheap. Or Not as good as comon Standard of other artists in that Genre (psytrance). So the Dj cannot give more Loudness to the track but he can make it less loud in comparison. So a Mix that is loud and sounds great even if it is quieter is BETTER for Djs to mix. And if some one has to compare to names like Infected Mushrooms, Neelix, Astrix and so on ans he is MUCH less loud - the dj takes a other Track even if he like the track that is more quiet. And that does some influence on those portals too. If a perhaps Astrix would Stream to what ever - he would use the Well masterd Track in his common Loudness. Becourse no one care about if the streaming service makes the track 3lufs quieter becourse it will still Sound good in comparison to others. If a mix is less loud and has perhaps a greater Dynamic becourse of the less loud mastering - the mix will smash into Distortion or other problems. The biggest misstake is to Limit the Track to 0,0 without place for Intersampled overs that will happen to accour during internal processing. So it can be better to Master to -0,3 or -0,5 or in Spotify like he said to -2db to avoid Distortion or Clipping fragments. But thats only what i have experience..
@LetsKetchup3 жыл бұрын
Its definitely interesting to see and hear all this explained but at the end of the day i think different sounds at the consumers are much more due to different speakers and room acoustics than the last 2 dB processing during the streaming, especiallly that i hope the poeple figured out that algorithms on spotify are pros in what they are doing. and you dont have the original files directly from the mastering studio to compare something against
@greenhound2 жыл бұрын
The fact they master albums based on the ENTIRE albums integrated loudness makes me wonder if you should worry about how your album comes out in terms of LUFS before anything else. The most important people who listen to your music are the people who put your whole album on for a listen start to finish.
@JohnnyFehr3 жыл бұрын
And boom you have a Techno track and you won't hit the limiter until you are at -9 LUFS :-D Fun fact you can turn it off that Spotify normalizes the Loudness. so you can hear the " raw " track :-)
@Audiomishran3 жыл бұрын
You need RX de-crackle on your vocal chain.
@carlosb57273 жыл бұрын
What happens if I upload music in 432Hz to Spotify, will they change it to 440Hz?
@rinaldo87543 жыл бұрын
Hi man. Maybe a silly question, and maybe I missed it in a previous video, but what mic you are speaking in to? It sounds pretty good. So my curious mind wants to ask you this question ;)
@cable-fix-trash5862 жыл бұрын
Don't have a lufs meter so your saying keep my meter -1 or -2 basically avoid limiting and keep the sound old school. ?
@EddieHernandezBandera3 жыл бұрын
despertando bien
@eccentricworx Жыл бұрын
Just master as usual, keeping Genre specific Dynamic Range in mind (8db PSR for example) and afterwards turn down your track to -14LUFS before uploading to spotify should do the trick, doesn't it?
@Besserwisser19002 жыл бұрын
When using my phone to play music in my car with Spotify Normalized volume OFF I get a lot of (what I think it is at least) clipping sounds , is this correct?😅
@mrfleamino93503 жыл бұрын
Nice one thank you 🙏 i use also for all the tracks the lufs free website too
@coolvibesradio32673 жыл бұрын
guys I need help. I'm really tired to print automations with the mouse and I'm looking for a fader controller. I'm in a small room and I don't have a lot of space. I've seen scheps uses the fader port. but I would like to use it also as controller for volume/esperssion/vibrato with the sample libraries. I'm on a MacBook pro i5 with 16gb , I use logic pro. please help
@MaartenFranken3 жыл бұрын
Some people who want to misunderstand things, to have an excuse to act out personal frustration, dont let those people push your buttons, mate :)
@BoatAfloat3 жыл бұрын
Yeah we talked about the -14 LUF , I said it depends on the type of music you're making. Great video! Are you familiar with the Youlean Loudness Meter?
@YoungBlaze3 жыл бұрын
i know for a fact cdbaby only lets you send 16wav bit vs 24 odd
@timepaintertunebird81603 жыл бұрын
Pls do that yt video that would be siiiiiiIIIIICK
@TheFrankiejay3 жыл бұрын
I mastered my album to -14 LUFS. Big mistake as it sounded weak compared to other albums. WTF. I will now master at probably -12 and see what these digital music carriers do. Just standardise this whole process. I thought they said loudness wars were over :)
@MasterKnutA2 жыл бұрын
Try -9 👏🏼
@sounddesires85063 жыл бұрын
New mic? What is it? Sound fine! Greets from Germany!
@yoyohuba3 жыл бұрын
I love your work! Very informative and inspiring and always learning something! Thnx for sharing your knowledge! One minor correction: ‘I didnt know’ is correct and ‘I didnt knew’ is not... I guess its a mistake the Dutch easily make... me myself included.... keep up your great work!
@audiunt3 жыл бұрын
So making a different master for spotify isn’t advisable, but... What if you follow the spotify rules (-2dB TP) and add +2dB (normalize) to the master send to beatport? Especially for dance productions? Would that make sense?
@briankingart3 жыл бұрын
Crazy man! Yes KZbin analysis, plz. It's know and interpret, not knew and interpritate, btw. Great English otherwise, crazy man analogue dude. Thx
@matt_nyc_audioengineer3 жыл бұрын
GREAT VIDEO!!!! Yes, please make the same video about KZbin!!! PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! :D
@cryptout3 жыл бұрын
Just a side note of no importance, I don’t listen to Spotify, or any other streaming service. I rather buy my music and add it to my collection. 😎
@sun_tzu7773 жыл бұрын
Could you review SSL Native plugins next?
@murkish2 жыл бұрын
Me still mastering at -6 lufs 0.0db ceiling 😅
@MasterKnutA2 жыл бұрын
Just reduce to -9 and you're golden!
@interact9403 жыл бұрын
Really interested in the YT audio vid :)
@semilumi3 жыл бұрын
One of the things that will happen when uploading stereo audio to KZbin is radical hi-cut at 15.8kHz, not passing any audio above that. Recommended watch: Dave Rat's videos on the subject: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6eZhXx4ZsyBjK8