Who Are Johto's Missing Gymleaders?

[@Whale-Shark-Katie]

“Whitney has vacated the gym,” YEEEESSSSSS! “probably to became the champion of the region with her Miltank” NOOOOOO!

[@AD-tj4jc]

now Cynthia has competition

[@alexpine8295]

“Brilliant Gold / Shining Silver” version Champion

[@morrigankasa570]

Whitney wasn't that difficult I defeated her gym easily with my team. True my Starter was at least 15 lvls higher then any of her pokemon. Anyway Fairy Type is stupid and unnecessary, Dragon Type already had enough weaknesses.

[@Snowstorm174]

@@morrigankasa570 the only weaknesses dragon had were ice and dragon. Steel resisted it but was not super effective, and Dragon has a resistances to a lot of common types like fire, water, electric, and grass. Fairy made it so that dragon-type no longer dominated the competitive scene with their often very high stats (as most dragons are legendary or pseudo-legendary Pokémon), which was overall good for balancing purposes. Fairies have their own weaknesses and can be countered, and dragons are no longer as overpowered.

[@BearWith_You]

Just play at night, get a Gastly, Whiney defeated

[@kungfuzing1018]

...The lengths you went to to avoid the Rock Specialist being predictable... lolol

[@alexpine8295]

“Cherry- *groove* City” 😉

[@J.Blazer]

That reveal... the look on my face must have been extraordinary

[@dorsivan4633]

who is this? his hair is massive!!1

[@J.Blazer]

@@dorsivan4633 A reoccurring villain in the Pokémon Colosseum games, Mirror B

[@SushrutA37]

The retro groove

[@Orangerandomness]

Should’ve given Jasmine a Lanturn given it’s an electric type fish, and she lives in a port town

[@BearWith_You]

Yeah I was like, where's Lanturn

[@stormbiskit7271]

I swear, the SECOND I heard “Cherrygroove” City I had a flashback to a Sudowoodo and went “Oh no...”

[@morgankundrick8289]

Fairy gym leader:*isn't valerie, a character from jobto who is a fairy specialist* Valerie:oh it seems this one isn't fashionable

[@pokemonkarma]

Haha I know right

[@BariSunekurodo]

That might have been what emperor cubone did. It's why his ground idea wasn't great.

[@alexpine8295]

“then i did the Sinnoh region, cause i’m a smart cookie 😉” alright, Toby, alright...

[@GallantaGrimoire]

Even when he's not talking about the new sinnoh games, he talks about the new sinnoh games! God I love these videos

[@slevinchannel7589]

The user '1 Million Subs without any vids' embrassed himself amazingly. As he practioned what is generally known as 'Comment Ambush'. Means, he left rude (=EMBARASSING) comment, deleted it again, and vanished. Its literally 'known' to be a loser-move. Its common knowledge that only the cowardly and dumb use this tactic. I think that embarassing person did not get the Memo about this though, so i extra write it here. Million Subs without Vids? You embarassed yourself and i had a good laugh about you, just like most people have when this happens. Its sad but funny, both.

[@robertlupa8273]

@@slevinchannel7589 dafuq?

[@JessieWard33]

Now I just want a game where there's like a missing or kidnapped or dead gym leader ,and we never get to battle them or even find out what happened.

[@rimurudagoat]

ROM hacks are good if that’s what you’re looking for. although if it’s a character as significant as a gym leader i kinda doubt the creator would let that just never be explored upon ya know?

[@MercuryA2000]

I don't think never find out, but kidnapped gym leader would be really interesting. You fight through the gym, but either before you get there or before you start the fight, the evil team swoops in and takes them. You chase after them, but by the time you save them the gym leader is too hurt to continue training. You fight an evil team admin who just so happens to have the right type pokemon, and the gym leader gives you the badge when you get back to town.

[@fionn4797]

What about the Kommo-o trial?

[@MercuryA2000]

@@fionn4797 Did it ever say there was a trial captain? I think that was just a really angry boi who everyone just kinda left alone unless he felt like throwing hands.

[@angelwhispers2060]

There's already a fan-made game that does exactly that. Call Pokemon Uranium. Except that the whole point of the game is you do find out what happens to them

[@jaxsinplays7260]

For the Ground type Gym, I imagine a future where a mysterious event took place in The Ruins of Alph where the Unown and all the hieroglyphics have disappeared. The researchers have been forced to abandon the area as without any interesting findings for years, funding has fallen through. The research building is converted into the gym, but the door is locked and you have to travel through the underground maze in order to access a secret entrance. Not much is known about the gym leader, except that she’s the daughter of a former champion by the time you face her. She starts of with a Rhyhorn, and has a Gligar and finally Donphan as her ace. She’s confident at first but respectful when she loses. She awards you the Redemption Badge, telling you to take whatever path your heart desires in life, and not to worry about following any footsteps left for you along the way. Her name is Kamona, and in addition to being the Gym Leader, she also holds the high score in PAL Park for several years before your journey.

[@leonardofarias8843]

A ground type gym in the Johto region 20 years in the future

[@jritt7729able]

For Jasmine I dig the electric lighthouse theme, she should have a lantern or chinchou too, playing off being so close to the water.

[@SightlySinner]

nice. the dual water/electric typing would be good coverage against a pesky ground type that would normally sweep her whole team. catch 'em off guard with surf or something.

[@ChampionBlaze]

I was not expecting Miror B for the rock type!! Well done Toby! That was a great callback to some of the best Pokémon games ever!! Very creative!!

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Hahah always expect the mirror B

[@christopherv2639]

Kurt as the water type specialist using a Slowking from Slowpoke Well. In HeartGold and SoulSilver he mentions using his Pokemon to beat team Rocket only to hurt his back.

[@Saviarai-Dravolika]

Whitney's Miltank: You can't defeat me. The rest of my squad: I know, but he can. *My Heracross using Brick Break to destroy it before that devilish cow deals too much damage to it*

[@brandondiotte2104]

Whitney defeating Lance to become champion doesn't seem all that farfetched when you realize that everyone of his Pokémon are Flying type and her Miltank's signature move is Rollout.

[@WeissM89]

My proposed Fairy-type gym leader would be a Kimono girl with Snubbull, Togetic, Azumarill and Sylveon.

[@thepanelbiter9915]

I love that Rock Gym idea, what a twist. I think for Ground I would make it a first or second gym, maybe even an optional challenge early in the game. Since two of the three starters would have a type advantage anyway. I was thinking the area between New Leaf and Blackthorn, the grassy area you can access at the beginning of the game. A gym with a cave tunnel gimmick. The leader could be a type of miner, but the gym stuff is more of a hobby for him. Maybe a ruin maniac interested in the ruins of Alph. Anyway he’d use a Phanpy and a Gligar. Pretty underwhelming, but maybe his gym is an active cave with wild Pokémon to wear your Pokémon down before you find him. He gives you the Tunnel Badge and the TM for Dig.

[@thedragonwarrior5861]

"Whitney has vacated the gym and probably became champion with her miltank" Pulls out a gun and shoots. Me: what miltank?

[@danieldishon688]

You know the lighthouse kind of is Jasmins Gym in the game. If you want her badge you have to travel up it and challenge a bunch of port city themed trainers who could be thought of as gym trainers. And delivering medicine for the sick ampheros? That's just the unique puzzle behind that gym. Instead testing your tenacity by enduring steaming water, puzzle skills and mind as you slide across the ice or figure out teleport pads or answer trivia questions...Jasmine challenges your compassion, and makes sure your willing to go out of your way to offer compassion and care to pokemon to get the privilege of fighting her team for her badge.

[@Just_Shaun]

Pokémon super silver and great gold, releasing 2025. Oh boi let’s gooo.

[@janeokra]

I didn't see the Rock type specialist coming! I was like "Oh sh*t it's [redacted]" 🤩 Well done!

[@vinniequick]

I love your gym leader videos an stuff because your teams aren't just the six most op Pokemon ever but you actual make teams I could see fighting,

[@flairnovacast5360]

Great video Toby I enjoyed it

[@OsmSkylandersCheats]

When you started talking about the fire-type gym, i though you were going to make them some kind of Edo-Period serial arsonist

[@BrawlSnorlax]

Best Rock-type trainer ever.

[@angelxcutiee69]

The Simpsons...

[@BrawlSnorlax]

@@angelxcutiee69 Not on purpose, I don't want them and don't like Comic book guy.

[@angelxcutiee69]

@@BrawlSnorlax oh

[@lyquid2760]

The thing you did for the lake of rage gym with octillery, mantine, gyarados and the others was so good that I honestly would prefer that in the games, plus the rock type gym situation was really really good I would definitely want to battle him, great video Toby

[@chrisshorten4406]

Maybe Valerie moves back to Johto and opens a new gym there?

[@cruxu_muxu5067]

pokemon legends celebi !???

[@julianthemeta-roar]

Viewers: Do Tyranitar For Rock. Toby: Nah Guys, Sudowoodo Is Where It’s At. Me: This Man Speaks The Truth.

[@K-ch4n]

Ahh that Colosseum soundtrack! So nostalgic! Love the idea haha

[@Ace1nstinct]

Hi Toby, I found your channel recently and I just wanted to say I really appreciate how much effort you put into your videos. You have great quality content and I hope the best for you.

[@madisonm1310]

I've been working on a Kanto/Johto prequel for a bit now which takes place just before the events of gen 1. However, rock is the only new type in the region and it's Jasmine who uses Sudowoodo, Corsola, Graveler, and Onix. The gym leaders in order are Bugsy, Walker (flying), Pryce, Morty, Jasmine, Chuck, Clair, and Will or Karen depending on the version. Then the elite four is Lorelei, Norman, Karen or Will, Agatha, and Lance is the champion at first. Oh, and Lance's events are weird. He's the champion until you beat him, but since you are heading to Kanto he is the acting champion. Then when Norman decides to become a gym leader (to spend more time with his family) Lance becomes an E4 member and the champion spot is vacant. Then Blue becomes the champion until he eventually resigns to be a gym leader and Lance becomes champion. Then Lorelei moves back home and Agatha retires, getting replaced with Koga and Will or Karen. So the champion is Lance > You > Lance (acting) > Blue > Lance (official) > Ethan/Kris/Lyra.

[@mudkipqueen920]

My boy gliscor's so underrated, I HOPE you can get it early in BDSP cause I've never used one in a playthrough

[@thomascowling466]

Yeah it's my fav pokemon. Can find it under bike path in the originals so I think you will be able to

[@dubbingsync]

Given that it’s a gen 4 Mon... I think it’s safe to say it’s in it.

[@mudkipqueen920]

@@dubbingsync I said early

[@velvetbutterfly]

Thomas Cowling isn't Gliscor the evolution, and you need a Razor Claw or something for it?

[@thomascowling466]

@@velvetbutterfly yeah it is

[@megame5573]

I was not expecting the rock type gym leader, but I am 100% here for it. I think that would be the greatest thing.

[@danball4163]

I think the ground type gym could definitely have been in the mountain route after blackthorn city because that’s where you catch phanpy after all

[@QuiG0nJimm]

As much as I want to fear Whitney as a champion, I can't. Toby highlighted this in another video I believe but Whitney is only scary because it's so early game and we don't have access to many fighting types. By the time you get to champ timeframe, you'll have a much stronger team to deal with her

[@holdenmiller8316]

Bird keeper toby why aren't you called birb keeper toby?

[@bathamsteryt]

Nah it's Bourb kept todee

[@mechashadow]

Sorry, when did you talk about Brilliant Diamond? Didn’t see any of that.

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Hahahaha true. That’s in an upcoming video :’)

[@christopherv2639]

For grass type gym leader i considered the Bellsprout Tower Sage Li a good specialist for it with a bellsprout & skiploom.

[@Rioluman10]

I think it's more likely for Whitney to switch to Fairy. Her favorite color is clearly pink and half of her team is Fairy type to begin with.

[@BluemoonLacrymosa]

Agreed. She was only normal because Fairy didn't exist and the type was missing from Kanto.

[@hexmaniacaj1880]

Another idea they could do, what if, when you start up a new Pokémon game, the gym types get randomised? First gym could be anything from flying to dragon, would make it so one starter isn't obsolete....... Sorry Chikorita

[@velvetbutterfly]

I don't think randomized into having dragon as the first or second gym would be smart because at that stage it could become downright impossible to win without obscene grinding unless they make sure the levels are laughably low to ensure the player can win with any Pokemon. I think starting with a Normal, or a determined type like B/W would be optimal, and then have 3-8 for sure be randomized. I say 2 is hard to pick because usually they have one notoriously strong Pokemon, Starmi, Scyther, Rosrade, Stoutland. Imagine facing a Tyranitar or Alakazam with level 18 Pokemon

[@hexmaniacaj1880]

@@velvetbutterfly Yeah I could see that, maybe have the so called “easier” types for the first 1-3 (normal, flying, bug etc) Then ramp it up from gym 4 onwards with ghosts, dragons and psychic types

[@davidmartin5483]

I wonder what connection do Volkner and Jasmine for her to be in his city. If I remember correctly she was waiting and watching over the shore which stands between Volkners city and the road to the elite four.

[@BlindJedi]

She liked the town because it had a lighthouse and if I remember correctly she was staring at the shore because it reminded her of Johto?

[@AgentZain007]

thank god about time

[@crilledgheese4584]

It'd be cool for a sequel to the johto games with a ground gym in the ruins of alph, possibly after a legendary pokémon destroyed the ruins.

[@oz_gauze]

As soon as Miror B's theme started playing I automatically had a Pavlonian response to think it was an MandJTV video.

[@ZenAki]

I will admit that I was not expecting the afro to show up.

[@nickygembe1098]

As soon as you said Cherrygroove, I was like, "OMG, please bring Miror here!!" You didn't disappoint!

[@cultreader9751]

There was originally planned to be a gym at/on the Lake of Rage, so it is an appropriate location.

[@FalcnPWNCH]

I could actually imagine Whitney's gym in a distant future-remaster of the Johto games be repurposed into a Fairy-type gym, with Miltank either gaining or becoming pure Fairy-type itself, as many of the pokemon found around Goldenrod City and pokemon from Johto have already become Fairy type since then (Clefairy, Snubbull/Granbull, Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff, Togepi/Togetic, Marill/Azumarill) - her bubbly personality, title as *'The Incredibly Pretty Girl',* the use of color pink and her liking for cute pokemon would all fit nicely with some *cutesy-tutesy pink fairy pokemon* - I could definitely see either as a Fairy-type Gym Leader with Snubbull or Granbull in addition to her Clefairy and now Fairy-type Miltank

[@himubeats6268]

Birdkeepertoby you should make a rom hack I'd definitely play that covering all types

[@houyo]

"Rock gyme leader? Who could it be?" Mirror B: Sup Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet's goooooooooooooo!

[@brandondiotte2104]

Whitney and her Miltank have become champion of the region, a fairy-type gym leader takes over her place in Goldenrod CIty, the Johto region soon gets used to this new normal. But do to the success of the new champion and her Miltank the MooMoo farm receives greater attention and popularity. Soon the ranch is forced to expand into the nearby woods, clearing it to create more pastures for Miltank and Tauros to graze. Unfortunately by doing so they displaced the many Pokémon that called the forest home. Furthermore the forest also produced a large number of Apricorn Trees, which would be purchased by Kurt to craft various Pokéballs. Not yet having mastered the craft herself, Kurt's granddaughter, Maizie, still feels the need to do something to protect the forest from further encroachment, so she does the one thing available to her he sets up a gym in the bounds of the forest and becomes its leader. Since Jasmine has been spending more of her time travelling to and from Sinnoh there was a need for a more steady gym leader anyway. Jasmine is not bothered by this or the Leagues decision giver he gym title to Maizie and is actually rather supportive of their idea, so much so she gifts Maizie with a Pokémon she picked up in her travels. Maizie's team will consist of: an Exeggcute whose home had been destroyed by the deforestation, a specially breed Farfetch'd, which has learned how to use the move Leaf Blade, and her ace being a Roserade which was gifted as a Budew originally from Jasmine who had caught it using a Friendball crafted by Kurt allowing it to bond with Maizie much quicker than normal. This is also why Budew can now be found in Ilex Forest as she still visits Azalea Town as often as possible.

[@leonevans3956]

what if instead of collecting gym badges in Legends;Arceus we have to collect all of arceus' plates and the 'Pokemon League' is just a gauntlet of psuedo legendary and legendary pokemon we have to battle.

[@andrewmeschke3281]

The version exclusive fairy gym made me genuinely smile

[@Bilberrydesigns]

Thanks man your videos helps me to forget I have post vacation vertigo

[@andykegs5584]

I like this video mainly for the expansion of the Johto region, if there are ever more remakes of this region it needs to be expanded so so badly! New village on the lake of rage would be so cool!

[@J75Pootle]

Commenting for the algorithm- you deserve more love!

[@nazeersadek6705]

The lake of rage gym is very creative

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Ayeee glad you like it ^_^

[@danbainbridge7664]

Playing the Miror B. track instantly made me think of MandJTV Crossover perhaps?

[@najeebullahibnamira3365]

Does anyone not remember when Jasmine made a cameo in Platinum in Sunnyshore City (Electric-Type Gym) ???

[@greengeek562]

How about a new gym set up in Mt. Mortar? You travel deeper and deeper until you find Karate King Kiyo and battle him as usual. However he states that since leaving Saffron he wanted to switch up types and try his hand at something else.

[@AnonEcho98]

....Why you dissing the Gliscor line?

[@jakk2631]

Ikr?

[@frankbingham53]

Good video as always Toby.

[@MartKart8]

I like how Toby has forgotten the names of the older Pokemon games. Massing old names with new names.

[@supersaiyaneevee1573]

For ground type, what about a gym near mt silver. Im thinking at like the base of the mountain as an alternate entrance before the pokemon League closed it off. Donphan and Pupitar can be used by the trainers. I think we should explore and "expanded" dex since so many Johto pokemon got evolutions. Like Ursaluna and Gliscor. Which would work great because im pretty sure teddiursa and gligar are found on the route south of. Blackthorn which seems like a logical place for a connection to mt silver. Alternatively, having on the route right after Newbark town, in yhat section that leads to a deadend could also be a good spot for a early gym for ground pokemon. But have Phanpy and Larvitar instead of the stronger pokemon.

[@ghostkiller8832]

Then the lake of rage can be renamed to be rage town/city or vice versa.

[@GeekyGuy.]

4 sudowoodo... this rock leader is now my favourite ever gym leader

[@thepokepoet9482]

I'm lovin' this video. And yeah I'd do the Royal Islands as my Water Type Gym.

[@lordhighyoshi7292]

You mean the whirl islands?

[@rithikrajgavishluximon6812]

1:57 i have a question: from the pokemon world perspective, how come things don't "exist yet"?

[@_Banjo_]

take away the daycare person, ill replace with Bills little sister or something based in the radio tower

[@MartKart8]

If there's a Pokemon Johto Legends including Kanto would...

[@greymon1665]

I always imagined the gym leaders being the top 8 trainers in the region (besides the elite four) and they got gyms by the poke-government or something. My kid brain had an interesting imagination lol

[@NuncleG]

If I had a Normal type Gym I'd have a Ditto, Kecleon, Smeargal, maybe a Chatot and have either Girafarig or Wigglytuff as my Ace. After all, your greatest enemy is yourself.

[@samuelstannard730]

Thank god for the break from Legends Arceus hype.

[@octopus1992mv]

I think if a water gym is gonna be at lake of rage they need to have a red gyarados

[@fishbowl5308]

To be honest I'd have the ground type gym have a donphan, and gligar

[@aaronturton6147]

Hey Toby, got a quick question. What equipment do you use to record your videos? I’m a new streamer but I’m finding audio as a while to be difficult to manage properly and wondered if you used a certain mic which could be used in my streams for clearer audio. Thanks man

[@silverbullet1620]

Help me Toby-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope. This could help with my idea cause I wanna do an idea where you have every gym type in every region. Though I'm kinda disappointed you don't use the Elite 4 types as well.

[@comicgamer2041]

what if slowking is the gym leader of the water type gym kinda like the movie the power of one where he can talk

[@Anytyme06]

Is it called lake of rage because the developers were mad they had to tear down the town they originally were going to put there?

[@AceTheOutsider]

I wonder if we're battling gyms or empires in P.L.A. 🤔🤔🤔

[@joltx9909]

When you realize how many johto mons toby uses in these gyms compared to the gyms that exist in johto but are full of kanto pokemon XD also, a gym in the burned tower is genius

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Hahah Yey thanks ^_^

[@aqwdns]

Love the groove!

[@the_godbodor7026]

Anyone else jam out to Miror B’s theme to an unhealthy degree?

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Always!

[@bobson_dugnutt2863]

Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think Miror B would suddenly show up. But he did you absolute mad person where the hell did you even come up with that...seriously though gamefreak please please please bring him back..

[@AgnimitraSutradhar]

Why no lanturn in electric gym? It's a nice typing if water against those pesky ground types which players will use against the electric gym

[@mjvdg4194]

Gotta call it the WARter type gym

[@rickardberglund1564]

hi Toby I see that you have problems with a Ground type gym so having is one of my ideas. I'm either before or after Clair at Blackthorn Gym. the gym puzzle is very similar to Clair replacing the lava with mud , you will build bridges over mud to come to me. in battle I use four pokemon and they are 1 Rhydon lv 39 with Moves Earthquake.Rock Tomb.Avalanche.Curse. my 2 pokemon are Gligar lv 39 with Moves Earthquake.Acrobatics (no held item) Steel Wing.Hone Claws.the third pokemon is Quagsire lv 39 with Moves Earthquake.Liquidation.Yawn. Power-Up Punch and my last pokemon is Donphan lv 40 with Moves Earthquake.Body Slam.Rollout;) Defense Curl;) ;) but you will defeat me so I thank you for a good fight and give you TM26 Earthquake. and if you want to meet me again after you become champion so here I and my 6 pokemon always ready war battle and they are. Rhydon.Gliscor.Quagsire. Nidoking. Sandslash. Donphan.

[@NA-yx4wc]

:0!!! How could you leave quagsire out of the ground gym?!

[@Mariokemon]

why not have the fairy gym leader be Lyra/Ethan? They are the grandchild of the daycare couple, and they even have a marill

[@wizkalifa650]

You like "sniffing out" the stuff huh!🤔🤣🤣

[@ltstheprogamer]

7:59 I thought that too...

[@BluemoonLacrymosa]

I think Whitney should become the Fairy leader and pass the normal type to a new leader who uses Furret, Stantler, and Teddiursa

[@pokemonkarma]

Miror B lmao

[@TheVividKiWi]

Cool video

[@NotMyRealName6]

But what if you never returned the Shuckle?

[@pinkprincess6136]

I would change Whitney to be a fairy type gym leader because her gym is pink. Maybe Silver as a dark type gym leader will fit because of his personality.

[@blazikenkj]

5:34 why did you pick that fire brather

[@Markcrazeer]

Not enough Pokémon in the fairy gym needs one more for balanced double battle.

[@mabs6253]

Add in Azumarill and sweeps your team thanks to Huge Power

[@Markcrazeer]

@@mabs6253 i did not say ad op azumarill (maybe for the rematch) i just said this is clearly a couple battling together in a double battle. so maybe add a weak Marill (or maybe azurill) and then for the rematch stack their team with 6 powerful fairy types. we are trying to get a balanced and fun double battle to help these kids on their journey not traumatize into never picking up a Pokeball ever again

[@_invinciboy_8569]

I was recently replaying DPP and damn it sucks I hope the gen 4 remakes aren’t a 100% copy smh they need an improvement

[@fruit3193]

I think you forgot to name a character for the Water gym lol I would say maybe someone involved with the Slowpoke Well situation. Maybe Kurt’s granddaughter or Kurt himself? For Fire, you also didn’t name a character. How about Rocket Admin Archer, to go with the Houndoom you suggested? (He uses one on his team.) Aaaand you didn’t name someone for Ground. I would give that to Silver, as an homage to his parentage. Miror B for Rock-type??? He’s not a Johto character lol

[@fruit3193]

Alternatively for Water, you could do the other-gender rival from HGSS, since they already have a Marill. Make them a Gym Leader in Cherrygrove, which is by the water and also could make for a good early-game gym.