Who are the Hebrew Catholics in Israel?

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@thebyzantinescotist7081
@thebyzantinescotist7081 5 күн бұрын
Great interview. As a Hebrew Catholic myself who was afraid to embrace my roots for a long time, Yarden has really helped show me how someone like us can be Catholic without forgetting their Jewish roots. If people are interested in what Yarden said about Daniel 9, I am actually debating a Jewish friend about this passage on my KZbin channel next week.
@PhilosProject
@PhilosProject 5 күн бұрын
Please send us the info!
@thebyzantinescotist7081
@thebyzantinescotist7081 5 күн бұрын
@@PhilosProject It's on January 30 on my channel.
@Gottrocks
@Gottrocks 5 күн бұрын
Newsflash....There is ZERO reference in the Jewish Bible to the false messiah, Jesus. Here's the truth! kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmaadJyMqcl7fLs
@Gottrocks
@Gottrocks 5 күн бұрын
Here's the truth about Daniel 9..... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHLPYpaGrNt8abM
@thebyzantinescotist7081
@thebyzantinescotist7081 4 күн бұрын
@@Gottrocks With all due respect to Rabbi Singer (who articulates the traditional Jewish response here found in others such as Rashi), I do not think his reply works for a number of reasons. For starters, it relies on the chronology of the Seder olam rabbah which is inaccurate by 166 years. You should watch my debate next week though and see which side you think has better arguments.
@shaulkramer7425
@shaulkramer7425 5 күн бұрын
I'm so happy to see more Hebrew Catholics. I'm one myself, or at least, in the process of joining the Church. I can't wait to go back to Jerusalem to visit the St. James Vicariate.
@YardenJZ
@YardenJZ 4 күн бұрын
My email is in the description. You’re more than welcome to shoot me an email and I’d love to have coffee next time you’re in Israel!
@victoriarodriguez1316
@victoriarodriguez1316 4 күн бұрын
Loved this interview !! As a hebrew Catholic this video spoke to my heart
@CharlesCassini
@CharlesCassini 4 күн бұрын
So glad and excited that you are part of the Catholic Church and an embodiment of the prophecy that in the last days the chosen people will come to recognize Jesus as their true messiah. My prayers and good wishes extend to you all.
@gilbertbloomer586
@gilbertbloomer586 5 күн бұрын
Great interview, I am also a Hebrew Catholic so found it very interesting.
@MilesDavis-hb7ld
@MilesDavis-hb7ld 3 күн бұрын
So they slaughtered you for a thousand years and then what ?
@kingoftheearth2149
@kingoftheearth2149 3 күн бұрын
Great. Welcome back to YHWH from the folly of Ashtaroth worship. :)
@stephenfisher3721
@stephenfisher3721 Күн бұрын
​@@kingoftheearth2149 Please explain your remark. Judaism of today is clearly worshipping One God, the Creator of the Universe. But Catholicism? Original sin? Satan? Trinity? Son of God? Adoration of Mary? Immaculate Conception? Infallibility of the Pope on matters of faith?
@kingoftheearth2149
@kingoftheearth2149 Күн бұрын
@stephenfisher3721 Judges chapter 2 verses 10 through 15. The Jewish GOD is Lucifer. If the Jews worshiped YHWH they would be worshiping Jesus Christ High King of Palestine. Until you acknowledge the Book you have nothing
@toddvoss52
@toddvoss52 4 күн бұрын
Hi Yarden. Good interview!
@Nanette322
@Nanette322 Сағат бұрын
I love these informative, pleasantly presented discussions. It’s like being among friends. I always had a soft spot for the Jewish ppl. I thought is was growing up in NY with so many diverse religions and ppl was the reason. Then I took a DNA test. If Roman Catholic-Italian was a category, I’d be close to 100%. So not so, far from it. It was an identity shock! Iberian, 10% Italian, Greek…..and 20% Jewish! On the other side, Iranian, Iraqi, Turkish n then some! I love all the combinations (after the shock wore off). I’m proud that I’m part of this global family. Judaism is the Root; Catholicism is the flower.
@DrEitanBar
@DrEitanBar 4 күн бұрын
ירדן! איזה גבר! :)
@stephenfisher3721
@stephenfisher3721 Күн бұрын
Hebrew translates to Yarden (Jordan), what a guy!
@stephenfisher3721
@stephenfisher3721 Күн бұрын
Are you the same Eitan Bar who used to be on One For Israel? That Eitan Bar always came out very strongly against Judaism of today, its Rabbis, and its Talmud. That Eitan Bar presented information that anti-semites loved. I would never expect that Eitan Bar to like Catholics.
@Kurdishboy2698
@Kurdishboy2698 Күн бұрын
Love to Catholic jew siblings from Kurdish Shia brother❤❤❤❤
@loveisaiah622
@loveisaiah622 23 сағат бұрын
Judaism is Pre Messianic Catholicism and Catholicism is Post Messianic Judaism- Dr Roy Schoeman. Pax Christi
@jaytoven7
@jaytoven7 2 күн бұрын
I think eventually as more Jews become Catholic, a Hebrew rite will natural developed. I think if you want to evangelize Jews then the Ethiopian Church should start it. Because of King Solomon and Queen Sheba, they actually observe the sabbath and eat kosher while believing fully in Jesus, but if you join their church and are not Ethiopian then you do not have to; just like when the apostles converted the Greeks.
@Anna-qs5bt
@Anna-qs5bt 3 күн бұрын
Hi, where can I find Yarden email? Thank you.
@YardenJZ
@YardenJZ 3 күн бұрын
Hi Anna. My email is in the video's description.
@jep6752
@jep6752 3 күн бұрын
33:40 - Who is the "we" that contributed to the conditions? And what conditions?
@ochem123
@ochem123 4 күн бұрын
8:12 What is the reason for circumcising boys in the modern day as a Catholic? It’s not necessarily theologically. It seems contradictory to continue circumcising if we understand why we are or why we are not doing it. I suppose one could claim it as merely cultural, but that seems a Tradition from the past that has been replaced by baptism.
@MrEVAQ
@MrEVAQ 4 күн бұрын
Paul got Timothy circumcised
@gilbertbloomer586
@gilbertbloomer586 4 күн бұрын
Have you read Romans 3: 1WHAT advantage then hath the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? 2Much every way. First indeed, because the words of God were committed to them. 3For what if some of them have not believed? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid. - or Acts 21 - 17And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18And the day following, Paul went in with us unto James; and all the ancients were assembled. 19Whom when he had saluted, he related particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20But they hearing it, glorified God, and said to him: Thou seest, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews that have believed: and they are all zealous for the law. 21Now they have heard of thee that thou teachest those Jews, who are among the Gentiles, to depart from Moses: saying, that they ought not to circumcise their children, nor walk according to the custom. 22What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23Do therefore this that we say to thee. We have four men, who have a vow on them. 24Take these, and sanctify thyself with them: and bestow on them, that they may shave their heads: and all will know that the things which they have heard of thee, are false; but that thou thyself also walkest keeping the law. 25But as touching the Gentiles that believe, we have written, decreeing that they should only refrain themselves from that which has been offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangles, and from fornication. 26Then Paul took the men, and the next day being purified with them, entered into the temple, giving notice of the accomplishment of the days of purification, until an oblation should be offered for every one of them.
@YardenJZ
@YardenJZ 3 күн бұрын
Naturally under Christ no one is obliged to circumcise their boys. But we have been doing it for 3,500 years or so, and rather than replaced by baptism many Catholics of Jewish stock rather view circumcision as a tradition that can be baptised when properly understood. Of course my children have all also been baptised.
@gilbertbloomer586
@gilbertbloomer586 3 күн бұрын
@@YardenJZ I wrote an a answer that quoted Scripture in support of Hebrew Catholic circumcising their children but for some reason it was removed, I referred to Romans 3;1-2 and Acts 21:17 onwards. I have noticed other posts have been removed and heard from other Hebrew Catholics who posted against that dreadful anti-Semite that their posts disappeared too.
@josephherring3807
@josephherring3807 Күн бұрын
Catholicism venerates the Mosaic Law. The feast of the circumcision is one of the holiest days in the Catholic calendar - 1st. of January.
@dollahmusa6705
@dollahmusa6705 3 күн бұрын
Glad to hear that you are hebrew catholic can except the prophecy.
@ddzl6209
@ddzl6209 3 күн бұрын
No any other church except Catholic Church can fit into the Church that Jesus established under the stewardship of Peter and gates of hell shall not prevail against it
@jon6815
@jon6815 4 күн бұрын
There is only one religion on this good earth and that is the religion of the religious. All what are referred to as the world's "religions" are mere expressions of the one religion. You both, in your cultured, pleasant and earnest way, also manage to demonstrate typical religious thinking. So, the real question is not which particular expression of the one religion you choose to follow rather what motivates you in your particular choice and practice. By this I don't mean the relative merits/attractiveness of whatever external deity/saint/god/idol/trinity etc. one chooses to fixate on, rather a courageous quest to seek within oneself an awareness of what is really motovating oneself.
@Janita5770
@Janita5770 3 күн бұрын
What’s a Hebrew Catholic?
@jaytoven7
@jaytoven7 2 күн бұрын
A Jew who is Catholic
@stephenfisher3721
@stephenfisher3721 Күн бұрын
​@@jaytoven7 No, it is more than that. For most of Church history, Jews would shed the disgrace of their Jewishness and have new identities as Catholic. Today Hebrew Catholics are Catholics of Jewish ancestry who take pride in their Jewish ancestry, instead of disgrace, shame, self-loathing and self-hatred. In addition, they incorporate varying amounts of Jewish culture and ritual.
@Gottrocks
@Gottrocks 5 күн бұрын
I see my comments were deleted..... Why? All I did was offer a refutation of the false teachings provided in this podcast about Daniel 9. Long ago Judaism rejected the idea of Jesus; thus calling oneself a "Messianic Jew" or Hebrew Catholic" are a complete oxymoron.
@senator967
@senator967 14 сағат бұрын
I see some misunderstandings here. The New Israel, although a fulfillment of the Old, is in conflict with the Old. Because of the deicide of Messiah. This act made them closed to grace. It was not anti-Semitism (actually anti-Judaism) that kept them closed. What a sin. I refer to St. Paul. I recall the Jewish massacre of Christians after the capture of Jerusalem by the Persians in 614. This was a new form of "deicide" of the Messiah. For 2000 years we see the hatred of the Old against the New Israel. Of course, individuals convert, but the Jewish nation as a whole does not. This will only happen when the Antichrist comes.
@AttilaTheBun
@AttilaTheBun 4 күн бұрын
Do jews support ethno nationalism for europeans if not why?
@YardenJZ
@YardenJZ 3 күн бұрын
15 Million people do not have a shared view on any single subject
@stephenfisher3721
@stephenfisher3721 Күн бұрын
What does ethno nationalism mean? Why are you asking Catholics what Jews support?
@beesinthegardens
@beesinthegardens 2 күн бұрын
But I don’t understand…. Jesus is not Catholic. He followed all of His Father’s teachings given to Moses. Peter , James, said in Acts 15 to the Gentiles, to follow these 4 Torah laws first, then the rest go to the synagogues and listen to Moses every Sabbath. Peter in Acts 10, said I am Jewish and have never entered a Gentile home …for which God had to teach him that was not right. Jesus said I did not come to abolish the commandments but to establish God’s Kingdom….not the rabbis , popes, pastors, elders kingdom . God’s kingdom. Stephen was stoned for defending Moses. Mary quoted all Ot scriptures in Luke. Paul said ALL scriptures is God breathe and from infancy…..the only holy Word they had. So did God not know Jesus was going to die and was Jesus wrong when He taught at the synagogues? What about when Jesus told John to write in Revelation 21 that all 12 tribes of Israel were going to be in eternity with God? I could go on .. Btw I was raised Catholic, When I am told Jesus died on Good Friday….I say to them but Jesus said He died on Passover Nissan 14. Who am I to believe? I will believe Jesus. Perfect I am not , but I know God is the Creator and the giver of His Word.. I choose to believe His Ways are Higher, that He CANNOT lie, and His Word from Genesis , Exodus. Ect…. will not go back to Him void. Isaiah says that all nations will go back to Israel and offer sacrifices as a soothing aroma Isaiah 56.. There are so many more scriptures where Jesus will rule FROM God’s Word.
@vickytheodorides
@vickytheodorides 13 сағат бұрын
Your a Bible alone person and there is nowhere in the bible “Bible alone”
@beesinthegardens
@beesinthegardens 13 сағат бұрын
@ Hi , God does say from the beginning, middle and end of the Bible not to add to His Word or take away from His Word
@vickytheodorides
@vickytheodorides 12 сағат бұрын
@ Martin Luther did and you still follow him Catholics wrote the Bible We know his to read it
@beesinthegardens
@beesinthegardens 12 сағат бұрын
@ Catholics wrote the Bible? Did they write Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Isaiah, ect?
@HebreosCincoDoce-nt8rx
@HebreosCincoDoce-nt8rx 3 күн бұрын
📜 Jeremiah 7:1 The word came to Jeremiah from the LORD: 2 Stand at the gate of the house of the LORD and proclaim this message there: Hear the word of the LORD, all you of Judah who enter these gates to worship the LORD! 3 Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Reform your ways and your deeds so that I may dwell with you in this place. 4 Do not put your trust in these deceptive words: “The temple of the LORD! The temple of the LORD! The temple of the LORD!” ...16 You, now, must not intercede for this people! Do not raise a cry or prayer in their behalf! Do not press me, for I will not listen to you! 17 Do you not see what they are doing in the cities of Judah, in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, their fathers light the fire, and the women knead dough to make cakes for the Queen of Heaven,* while libations are poured out to other gods-all to offend me! 19 Are they really offending me-oracle of the LORD-or rather themselves, to their own disgrace? 📜 Ecclesiastes 1:8All things are wearisome, more than one can say. The eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing. 9What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun! 10Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something new”? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time.
@moishelek.2733
@moishelek.2733 4 күн бұрын
I advice everyone especially to Yarden to listen to the videos of Rabbi Singer.Yarden,Your ancestors were ready to give up their live but not become christian! Think about it. And go to a serious Rabbi who will explain to you why jews are not chistians and why it is very wrong for a jew...
@gilbertbloomer586
@gilbertbloomer586 4 күн бұрын
I am sure Yarden like most Hebrew Catholics or Catholic Jews know all the arguments from the Jewish side and disagrees with them.
@moishelek.2733
@moishelek.2733 3 күн бұрын
@gilbertbloomer586 Of Course not.
@YardenJZ
@YardenJZ 3 күн бұрын
@@moishelek.2733 Naturally I have. I have had many discussions with all sorts of people here in Israel (rabbis included) and I have listened to Singer's material. The vast majority of what I've seen I can't really take seriously.
@jaytoven7
@jaytoven7 2 күн бұрын
Rabbi Singer is an insult to all actual rabbis. Yardens ancestors also gave up their lives to be Catholic as Catholicism predates Rabbinic Judaism heresy and Jews killed their own people for believing in christ. Catholicism is the true Abrahamic faith. To understand history is to be Catholic. I advise you to check out Sam Shamoun and research 2nd temple society.
@grevisse6757
@grevisse6757 4 күн бұрын
Israeli Catholics are obligated to support a two state solution and deny the belief in zionism, as per our church, hopefully you understand that and go forth with it, god bless +
@thebyzantinescotist7081
@thebyzantinescotist7081 4 күн бұрын
The Philos Project officially supports a two state solution according to the FAQ on their website. As discussed in the interview, Zionism can have many different meanings.
@grevisse6757
@grevisse6757 4 күн бұрын
@@thebyzantinescotist7081 zionism only has one meaning and it is not something supported in the catechism of the catholic church, as a matter of fact, many catholics consider it a heresy, israel can exist as a secular state, we don't support it as a religious state for neither jews nor muslims, bottom line, no israeli catholic can participate in Israel's war and race culture
@thebyzantinescotist7081
@thebyzantinescotist7081 4 күн бұрын
@@grevisse6757 It is simply not true that "zionism has one meaning." For example, "Israel can exist as a secular state" would be considered Zionist by some people, since there are some people who would like Israel to cease to exist. In fact, most Israelis are not religious and would like the state to be more secular. Of course there is a heretical dispensationalist view of Zionism, but this is not what everyone means when they use the word. My parents consider themselves Zionists for example, and they are agnostic Jews who support a two-state solution for example. This was the case with most Jews I knew growing up. I recognize the word has a different meaning among evangelicals, but most Jews just mean "I do not want Israel to stop existing" when they say they are a Zionist. (I say this all as someone who does not consider myself a Zionist since the word has so many different meanings.)
@grevisse6757
@grevisse6757 4 күн бұрын
@ The Catholic Church is not concerned with Israel existing or not, the people in it and Palestine should be protected but we're not concerned with the artificial continuation of Israel, therefore we are not zionists.
@thebyzantinescotist7081
@thebyzantinescotist7081 4 күн бұрын
@ A lot of self professed Zionists wish the Palestinian people to be protected. A lot of self professed anti-Zionists wish for Israel to stop existing. I think you're criticizing a strawman. Zionist means different things to different people.
@CatholicState
@CatholicState 4 күн бұрын
You should be careful using the term "Hebrew Catholic" as St. Paul says: "There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ" - Galatians 3:28. In exegeting this, St. Jerome, Father and Doctor of the Church, wrote this in a letter to St. Augustine (also Church Father and Doctor): "The matter in debate, therefore, or I should rather say your opinion regarding it, is summed up in this: that since the preaching of the gospel of Christ, the believing Jews do well in observing the precepts of the law, i.e. in offering sacrifices as Paul did, in circumcising their children, as Paul did in the case of Timothy, and keeping the Jewish Sabbath, as all the Jews have been accustomed to do. If this be true, we fall into the heresy of Cerinthus and Ebion, who, though believing in Christ, were anathematized by the fathers for this one error, that they mixed up the ceremonies of the law with the gospel of Christ, and professed their faith in that which was new, without letting go what was old. Why do I speak of the Ebionites, who make pretensions to the name of Christian? In our own day there exists a sect among the Jews throughout all the synagogues of the East, which is called the sect of the Minei, and is even now condemned by the Pharisees. The adherents to this sect are known commonly as Nazarenes; they believe in Christ the Son of God, born of the Virgin Mary; and they say that He who suffered under Pontius Pilate and rose again, is the same as the one in whom we believe. But while they desire to be both Jews and Christians, they are neither the one nor the other." (Note: Just a quick aside in that St. Jerome is rebuking St. Augustine, who simply said that between 33 AD and 70 AD it was okay for Jews to practice the Law, since the Second Temple hadn't yet been destroyed. Neither St. Jerome nor St. Augustine believed it was okay for Jews to practice the Law after 70 AD). Further exegeting this Scripture passage, the Second Council of Nicaea says this in Canon 8: "Since some of those who come from the religion of the Hebrews mistakenly think to make a mockery of Christ who is God, pretending to become Christians, but denying Christ in private by both secretly continuing to observe the sabbath and maintaining other Jewish practices, we decree that they shall not be received to communion or at prayer or into the church, but rather let them openly be Hebrews according to their own religion; they should not baptize their children or buy, or enter into possession of, a slave. But if one of them makes his conversion with a sincere faith and heart, and pronounces his confession wholeheartedly, disclosing their practices and objects in the hope that others may be refuted and corrected, such a person should be welcomed and baptized along with his children, and care should be taken that they abandon Hebrew practices. However if they are not of this sort, they should certainly not be welcomed." And the Fourth Lateran Council says this in Canon 70: "Jewish converts may not retain their old rite Certain people who have come voluntarily to the waters of sacred baptism, as we learnt, do not wholly cast off the old person in order to put on the new more perfectly. For, in keeping remnants of their former rite, they upset the decorum of the christian religion by such a mixing. Since it is written, cursed is he who enters the land by two paths, and a garment that is woven from linen and wool together should not be put on, we therefore decree that such people shall be wholly prevented by the prelates of churches from observing their old rite, so that those who freely offered themselves to the christian religion may be kept to its observance by a salutary and necessary coercion. For it is a lesser evil not to know the Lord’s way than to go back on it after having known it."
@CatholicState
@CatholicState 4 күн бұрын
Moreover, when converting from Judaism to Christianity the Church historically required Jews to renounce Jewishness upon converting (Source, from James Parkes: The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue: A Study in the Origins of Antisemitism, (New York: JPS, 1934), 394-400): A: VISIGOTHIC PROFESSIONS i. Of Recceswinth, from Leg. Vis. 12.2.17. To our most merciful and tranquil lord Recceswinth the King, from us the Jews of Toledo as witnessed or signed below. We well remember how we were long and rightly constrained to sign this Declaration promising in the name of King Chinthila's holy memory to support the Catholic faith; and we have done so. However, because our pertinacious lack of faith and the ancient errors of our fathers held us back from believing wholly in Our Lord Jesus Christ or accepting the Catholic truth with all our hearts, we therefore make these promises to your greater glory, on behalf both of ourselves and our wives and children, through this our Declaration, undertaking for the future not to become involved in any Jewish rites or customs nor to associate with the accursed Jews who remain unbaptised. We will not follow our habit of contracting incestuous unions or practising fornication with our own relatives to the sixth degree. We will not on any pretext, either ourselves, our children or our descendants, choose wives from our own race; but in the case of both sexes we will always link ourselves in matrimony with Christians. We will not practise carnal circumcision, or celebrate the Passover, the Sabbath or the other feast days connected with the Jewish religion. We will not keep to our old habit of discrimination in the matter of food. We will do none of the things which the evil tradition of long custom and intercourse urges upon us as Jews. Instead , with utter faith and grace in our hearts, and with complete devotion towards Christ the Son of the Living God, as the apostolic tradition enjoins, shall we believe on Him and confess Him. Every custom of the holy Christian religion, feast days, marriage, and what is lawful to eat, indeed every ceremony thereof, we shall faithfully hold and embrace with all our hearts, reserving no hint within ourselves of resistance, no suspicion of deception, whereby we may come to repeat those errors we now deny, or fulfil with little or no sincerity that which we now promise to do. With regard to swines' flesh we promise to observe this rule, that if through long custom we are hardly able to eat it, we shall not through fastidiousness or error refuse the things that are cooked with it. And if in all the matters touched on above we are found in any way to transgress, either presuming to work against the Christian Faith, or promising in words to perform actions suitable to the Catholic religion, and in our deeds deferring their performance, we swear by that same Father, Son and Holy Ghost, who is One God in Three, that whoever of us is found to transgress shall either perish by the hands of our fellows, by burning or stoning, or if your splendid piety shall have spared our lives, we shall at once lose our liberty and you shall give us along with all our property to whomever you please into perpetual slavery, or dispose of us in any other manner that seems good to you. To this end you have free authority, not only on account of your royal power, but also arising out of the stipulations of this our guarantee. This Declaration is given at Toledo in the name of the Lord, on the 18th of February in the sixth year of your glorious reign. ii. Of Erwig, from Leg. Vis. 12.3.14. I do here and now renounce every rite and observance of the Jewish religion, detesting all its most solemn ceremonies and tenets that in former days I kept and held. In future I will practise no rite or celebration connected with it, nor any custom of my past error, promising neither to seek it out nor to perform it. Further do I renounce all things forbidden or detested by Christian teaching; and, (Here follows the Nicene Creed) In the name of this Creed, which I truly believe and hold with all my heart, I promise that I will never return to the vomit of Jewish superstition. Never again will I fulfil any of the offices of Jewish ceremonies to which I was addicted, nor ever more hold them dear. I altogether deny and reject the errors of the Jewish religion, casting forth whatever conflicts with the Christian Faith, and affirming that my belief in the Holy Trinity is strong enough to make me live the truly Christian life, shun all intercourse with other Jews and have the circle of my friends only among honest Christians. With them or apart from them I must always eat Christian food, and as a genuinely devout Christian go often and reverently to Church. I promise also to maintain and embrace with due love and reverence the observance of all the Lord's days or feasts for martyrs as declared by the piety of the Church, and upon those days to consort always with sincere Christians, as it behoves a pious and sincere Christian to do. Herewith is my profession of faith and belief as given by me on this date.
@CatholicState
@CatholicState 4 күн бұрын
iii. Of Erwig, from Leg. Vis. 12.3.15. I swear first by God the Father Almighty, Who said,' By Me shall ye swear, and ye shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain, Who made Heaven and earth, the sea and all things in them ', and set bounds to the ocean, saying ' So far shalt thou come and here shall thy proud waves be stayed ', Who said, ' Heaven is my home, the earth my footstool ': Who first cast forth from Heaven the Archangel in his overweening pride, before Whose sight the host of Angels stand in fear, Whose gaze lays bare the abyss and Whose anger wastes away mountains: Who put the first man Adam in Paradise, giving him the law that he should not eat of the forbidden apple tree. He ate of it and was cast forth from Paradise, and bound himself, together with the human race, in the chains of error. And by Him Who gladly received the offerings of Abel and justly rejected the unworthy Cain; Who, when they were about to die, took Enoch and Elijah to Paradise in the body of this life, and shall bring them back to the world at the end of this age; Who thought fit to save Noah with his wife and three sons and their wives and all the animals, birds and reptiles in the Ark at the time of the Flood, whereby every species was preserved; Who from Shem the son of Noah saw fit to give issue in Abraham, and from him the people of Israel; Who chose Patriarchs and Prophets, and blessed the Patriarchs of Abraham's line, Isaac and Jacob; Who promised holy Abraham, saying,' In your seed shall all mankind be blessed ', giving him the sign of circumcision as the sea] of His promise for ever. I swear by Him Who overthrew Sodom and turned Lot's wife, when she looked back, into a statue of salt; and by Him Whowrestled with Jacob, and touching a sinew made him lame, saying,' Thou shalt be called not Jacob but Israel'. I swear also by Him who freed Moses from the waters, and appeared to him in a flaming bush, and by his hand brought ten plagues upon the Egyptians, and freed the people of Israel from the Egyptian slavery, making them to cross dry through the Red Sea, where against natural law the water stood up in a solid wall. I swear by Him Who drowned Pharaoh and his army in the Red Sea. I swear by Him Who led the people of Israel by a pillar of cloud by day and of fire by night. I swear by Him Who gave to Moses on Mount Sinai the law written by His own fingers on tables of stone. I swear by Him Who made that mountain to smoke in the sight of all Israel. I swear by Him Who chose Aaron for His first priest and consumed his sons by fire in their tent, because they had dared to offer strange fire before the Lord. I swear by Him Who in His justice ordered Dathan and Abiram to be swallowed alive by the earth. I swear by Him Who changed the bitter waters into sweet by the casting in of the trunk of a tree. I swear by Him Who, when the people of Israel thirsted in Horeb, caused Moses to smite the rock with his rod and bring forth great streams of water. I swear by Him Who for forty years fed the people of Israel in the wilderness, and preserved their garments so that they wore not out with use; and kept them safe in every way. I swear by Him Who decreed once and for all that no Israelite should enter the Promised Land, because they had doubted the Lord's word, excepting only Joshua and Caleb, whom He promised should enter. I swear by Him Who told Moses that if he raised his hands on high, the people of Israel should be victors against the Amalekites. I swear by Him Who ordered our Fathers by the hand of Joshua to cross the Jordan and raise twelve stones from that river in witness thereof. I swear by Him Who enjoined upon all Israel that having crossed the river Jordan they should circumcise themselves with stone knives; and by Him Who overturned the walls of Jericho. I swear by Him Who adorned David with the glory of kingship, and saved him from the hands of Saul and of his son Absalom. I swear by Him Who at the prayer of Solomon filled the Temple with cloud, and poured His blessing therein. I swear by Him Who, raising the Prophet Elijah through a whirlwind in a chariot of fire, brought him from earth to the seats of Heaven; and by Him Who, at the prayer of Elisha, divided the waters of Jordan when Elisha smote them with the robe of Elijah. I swear by Him Who filled all His Prophets with the Holy Spirit, and freed Daniel from hungry and monstrous lions. I swear by Him Who saw fit to preserve three boys in the fiery furnace, under the eyes of a hostile king; and by Him 'Who keeps the key of David, closing what no man has opened, opening what no man has closed'. I swear by Him Who brings about all wonders, virtues and signs to Israel and other peoples. I swear also by the Ten Commandments. I swear also by Jesus Christ, His ascent to Heaven, His glorious and terrible coming, when He shall come to judge the living and the dead, showing Himself gentle to the just and terrible to sinners; and by the revered Body and precious Blood of Him Who opens the eyes of the blind, makes the deaf to hear and brings back the paralysed to the use of their limbs: Who loosens the tongues of the dumb, cleanses the devil-ridden, makes the lame to run, and rouses the dead: Who walked over the waters, and brought back Lazarus, freed from death, when his flesh was already in corruption, to life and safety, changing grief to joy: Who is the Creator of time, the Principle of life, the Author of salvation: Who illumined the world with His rising, and redeemed it by His Passion: Who alone among the dead was free, and death could not hold Him: Who undermines the gates of Hell, and by the majesty of His power draws the souls of the blessed up from the shades: Who having vanquished death has taken the body which He assumed upon earth into Heaven with Him after His victory over the world, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, receiving from Him the power of eternal sway. I swear also by all the heavenly virtues, and by the relics of all the Saints and Apostles, and also by the four holy Gospels, on which I lay this Declaration upon the sacred altar which I hold with my hands. Since I have taken care to note well everything in my profession of Faith, and have been able to put it together, I give my signature to you, my Lord Bishop, and affirm everything in all sincerity, with no reservations or deception as to what is meant. With absolute sincerity, as I have said in my profession, I have abjured all Jewish rites and observances, and with my whole heart shall believe in the Holy Trinity, never returning in any way to the vomit of my former error, or associating with the wicked Jews. In every respect will I lead the Christian life and associate with Christians. The meaning which I have discerned in what I have signed concerning the observance of the holy Faith I will guard with all the purity of my faith, so that I shall live from now henceforth according to the Apostolic tradition and the law of the holy Creed. If I wander from the straight path in any way and defile the holy Faith, and try to observe any rites of the Jewish sect, or if I shall delude you in any way in the swearing of this oath, so that I appear to swear sincerely, yet do not perform my promises in the spirit in which I have heard and understood them from you while I made my profession; then may all the curses of the law fall upon me as they are promulgated by the lips of the Lord against those who despise the commandments of God. May there fall upon me and upon my house and all my children all the plagues which smote Egypt, and to the horror of others may I suffer in addition the fate of Dathan and Abiram, so that the earth shall swallow me alive, and after I am deprived of this life I shall be handed over to the eternal fire, in the company of the Devil and his Angels, sharing with the dwellers in Sodom and with Judas the punishment of burning; and when I arrive before the tribunal of the fearful and glorious judge, Our Lord Jesus Christ, may I be numbered in that company to whom the glorious and terrible Judge with threatening mien will say, ' Depart from Me, evil-doers, into the eternal fire that is prepared for the Devil and his Angels'.
@CatholicState
@CatholicState 4 күн бұрын
B: PROFESSION OF FAITH, FROM THE CHURCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE From Assemani, Cod. Lit., 1, p. 105. As a preliminary to his acceptance as a catechumen, a Jew ' must confess and denounce verbally the whole Hebrew people, and forthwith declare that with a whole heart and sincere faith he desires to be received among the Christians. Then he must renounce openly in the church all Jewish superstition, the priest saying, and he, or his sponsor if he is a child, replying in these words: 'I renounce all customs, rites, legalisms, unleavened breads and sacrifices of lambs of the Hebrews, and all the other feasts of the Hebrews, sacrifices, prayers, aspersions, purifications, sanctifications and propitiations, and fasts, and new moons, and Sabbaths, and superstitions, and hymns and chants and observances and synagogues, and the food and drink of the Hebrews; in one word, I renounce absolutely everything Jewish, every law, rite and custom, and above all I renounce Antichrist, whom all the Jews await in the figure and form of Christ; and I join myself to the true Christ and God. And I believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Holy, Consubstantial and Indivisible Trinity, and the dispensation in the flesh and the descent to men of the Word of God, of the one person of the Holy Trinity, and I confess that he was truly made man, and I believe and proclaim that after the flesh in very truth the Blessed Virgin Mary bore him the son of God. and 1 believe in, receive, venerate and embrace the adorable Cross of Grist, and the holy images; and thus, with my whole heart, and soul, and with a true faith I come to the Christian Faith. But if it be with deceit and with hypocrisy, and not with a sincere and perfect faith and a genuine love of Christ, but with a pretence to a be Christian that I come, and if afterwards I shall wish to deny and return to Jewish superstition, or shall be found eating with Jews, or feasting with them, or secretly conversing and condemning the Christian religion instead of openly confuting them and condemning their vain faith, then let the trembling of Cain and the leprosy of Gehazi cleave to me, as well as the legal punishments to which I acknowledge myself liable. And may 1 be anathema in the world to come, and may my soul be set down with Satan and the devils.'
@CatholicState
@CatholicState 4 күн бұрын
C: PROFESSION OF FAITH OF UNCERTAIN EASTERN ORIGIN, ATTACHED TO THE CLEMENTINE RECOGNITIONS From P.G., I, p. 1456. It is my desire today to come from the Hebrews to the Christian faith. I have not been brought by any force, necessity, fear, annoyance or poverty; nor because of a debt, or of an accusation lodged against me; nor for the sake of worldly honours, of advantages, of money or property which has been promised me by anyone; nor for the sake of its useful consequences, nor to obtain human patronage; nor because of any quarrel or dispute which 1 have had with people of my own religion; nor for secret purposes of revenge on the Christians, by a feigned admiration for their law, nor because 1 have been wronged by them; but 1 have been brought by a whole-hearted love of Christ and of faith in Him. I renounce the whole worship of the Hebrews, circumcision, all its legalisms, unleavened bread, Passover, the sacrificing of lambs, the feasts of Weeks, jubilees, Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles, and all the other Hebrew feasts, their sacrifices, prayers, aspersions, purifications, expiations, fasts, Sabbaths, new moons, foods and drinks. And I absolutely renounce every custom and institution of the Jewish laws. Moreover, I place under anathema the heresies among the Jews, and the heretics themselves. I anathematise the Sadducees, who are called just, who blaspheme the Holy Spirit, who attack the resurrection of the dead, and deny the existence of angels. I anathematise the Pharisees, the separate ones, who fast on the second and fifth days, who pretend to sexual abstinence at definite times, and afterwards despise all continence, who foretell the future, and waste their time on astrology. I anathematise the Nazareans, the stubborn ones, who deny that the law of sacrifices was given by Moses, who abstain from eating living things, and who never offer sacrifice: I anathematise the Osseans, the blindest of all men, who use other scriptures than the Law, and reject most of the prophets, and who boast in a man as master, one EIxai, that is 'the hidden virtue', and who worship, as Gods, two women of his offspring, Marthonis and Marthana: I anathematise the Herodians, who worship as Christ a foreign king of the Jews, Herod, who was eaten of worms. I anathematise the Hemerobaptists, who believe as do the Pharisees, but also teach that a man cannot be saved without daily washing. I anathematise the scribes, or doctors of the Law, who are not content to live according to the Law, but of their own free will perform more than is prescribed in the Law, and devising washing of vessels and cups and platters and other articles of furniture, and frequently wash their hands and their pots; and who call all these many traditions they have added to the Law 'Deuteroses', as though they were a second series of Divine Laws, and they falsely ascribe the first to Moses, and the second to Rabbi Akiba, and the third to Annas who is also called Judas, and the fourth to the sons of the Hasmoneans who even violated the Sabbath in battle. Together with all these Jewish heresies and heresiarchs, deuteroses and givers thereof, I anathernatise those who celebrate the feast of Mordecai on the first Sabbath of the Christian fast, hanging the effigy of Haman on a gibbet, and mingling the sign of the cross therewith, and burning all together, and subjecting the Christians to every kind of curse and anathema. II.. Together with the ancients, I anathematise also the Chief Rabbis and new evil doctors of the Jews, to wit, Lazarus the inventor of the abominable feast which they call Monopodaria, and Elijah who was no less impious, and Benjamin, Zebedee, Abraham, Symbatius and the rest of them. Further I invoke every curse and anathema on him whose coming is expected by the Jews as the Christ or Anointed, but is rather Anti-Christ, and I renounce him and commit myself to the only true Christ and God. And I believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Holy Consubstantial and Indivisible Trinity; I confess the Incarnation and the coming to man of one of the Holy Trinity, to wit, the only begotten Son and Word of God, begotten of the Father before all the centuries, through Whom all things were made. I believe Him to be the Messiah foretold by the Law and the prophets; and I am convinced that He has already come into the world for the salvation of mankind; that He was truly made man, and did not surrender His Divinity, that He is truly God and truly man, without confusion, change or alteration, of one person and two natures. I believe that He suffered all things of His own will, and was crucified in the flesh, while His Divinity remained impassable, and was buried, and rose again on the third day, and ascended into heaven, and shall come again in glory to judge both the living and the dead. And I believe and profess the Blessed Virgin Mary, who bore Him according to the flesh, and who remained a virgin, to be truly and actually the Mother of God, and I venerate and honour her truly as the Mother of God Incarnate, and as the Lady and mistress thereby of all creation. I am Convinced and confess and believe that the bread and the wine which is mystically consecrated among Christians, and which they take in their sacred rites, is the very body and blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, transmuted by His Divine power reasonably and invisibly, in His own way beyond all natural understanding, and I confess that in taking the sacrament I am taking His very body and blood, to the gaining of life eternal and the inheritance of the Kingdom of Heaven which belongs to those who receive them in perfect faith. Finally, I beg for Christian baptism, out of a pure and spotless heart and mind, and a sincere faith, truly persuaded that it is the true spiritual washing, and the regeneration of soul and body. III I receive, honour and accept as symbols and indications of their prototypes, the venerable Cross of the true Christ and God, no longer the instrument of death and crime, but of liberty and eternal life, and the sign of victory over death and Satan; likewise I receive the hitherto venerated images both of the Word of God according to the flesh among men, and likewise of the most pure and ineffable Mother of God, of the holy angels, and finally of all the saints. I honour and venerate with the honour due to them the blessed angels and all the saints, not only the patriarchs and prophets, but the apostles, martyrs, confessors, doctors, saints, all indeed who pleased Christ when He came, as His servants and faithful followers. Wherefore with my whole heart and mind and with deliberate choice I come to the Christian faith. But if I make this statement falsely and deceitfully, and not on the witness of my whole conviction and in love for the Christ who has already come, but because of some compulsion, necessity, fear, loss, poverty, debt, accusation brought against me, worldly honour, dignity of any kind, money, promised gifts, or to serve some end, or for human protection, or because of dispute and quarrel with some of my own faith, or to revenge myself thus on the Christians, feigning respect for their law, or if I pretend to become a Christian because of some injuries suffered from them, and then revert to Judaism, or be found eating with the Jews, or observing their feasts and fasts, or speaking secretly with them, or defaming the Christian faith, or visiting their synagogues or oratories, or taking them under my protection, and do not rather confute the said Jews and their acts openly, and revile their empty faith, then may there come upon me all the curses which Moses wrote in Deuteronomy, and the trembling of Cain, and the leprosy of Gehazi, in addition to the penalties by law established, and may I be without any hope of pardon, and in the age to come may I be anathema and doubly anathema, and may my soul be set down with Satan and his demons.
@thebyzantinescotist7081
@thebyzantinescotist7081 4 күн бұрын
Do you still call yourself a man? Since the same passage says "There is neither male nor female." St. Paul's point is that everyone is equal in Christ. But we do not lose our ethnic or sexual identity in baptism. Gratia non tollit naturam, sed perfecit. There are a whole host of leftists in the Church today who want to shame white Catholics for being white. I think this is horrible, and white Catholics should be proud of all the great things which European civilization did for the Church. But the same reasoning applies to those of other ethnicities as well. Pretty much everything you cited here are disciplinary canons. Canon 6 of the CIC annuls all prior disciplinary canons. You should take a canon law course before lecturing other on canon law. As some of those canons you cite themselves explain, there was a concern of false converts at that time, likely because there was great political advantage to being a Christian. However, pretty much all of us converts from Judaism today have political and social pressures not to convert, so it is not really the same situation at all. St. Jerome was on the losing side of that debate in the later tradition. So I'm not sure why you would cite him here. I actually did watch some videos you did. In one recent video, you claimed that you do not think the blood curse applies to all Jews, since some Jews convert. However, you reasoning requires that we remain Jews (in an ethnic sense) after baptism. If you think that once we convert we cease to be Jews, then you have to think the blood curse remains upon all Jews without exception. You referred to Our Lord and Our Blessed Mother as Jews even after the establishment of the Church, so why would that be any different for a convert from Judaism today? I should add that, when I first saw your videos, I actually considered reaching out to discuss these things with you. I am always happy to speak with Catholics of different opinions. My own opinion used to be closer to yours until I studied these issues more, and I still have many close friends who have views closer to yours. However, when I went to your twitter, I saw you put up childish videos doing things like mocking the looks of Jews. If you are interested in having serious discussions with Catholics of different opinions on these subjects, you should try to act more mature. You claim you are not antisemitic, only antijudaic, but when you mock the looks of Jews and put out videos attacking every single convert from Judaism one can possibly think of, I highly doubt it is only "antijudaism". While I hate how "antisemitism" is weaponized today to silence differences of opinion, making songs about how all Jews are ugly is pretty much classic antisemitism.
@Nanette322
@Nanette322 57 минут бұрын
I love these informative, pleasantly presented discussions. It’s like being among friends. I always had a soft spot for the Jewish ppl. I thought is was growing up in NY with so many diverse religions and ppl was the reason. Then I took a DNA test. If Roman Catholic-Italian was a category, I’d be close to 100%. So not so, far from it. It was an identity shock! Iberian, 10% Italian, Greek…..and 20% Jewish! On the other side, Iranian, Iraqi, Turkish n then some! I love all the combinations (after the shock wore off). I’m proud that I’m part of this global family. Judaism is the Root; Catholicism is the flower.
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