Who are the Three Men that Appear to Abraham? Genesis 18 | Florida Gardens Baptist Church

Who are the Three Men that Appear to Abraham? Genesis 18 | Florida Gardens Baptist Church
Message by Dr. David Janaro at Florida Gardens Baptist Church
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[@thetroof5525]

I'll summarize. It's Jesus, and two angels.

[@approvedofGod]

Totally wrong!

[@thetroof5525]

@@approvedofGod Thats it? Just a "your wrong" and no evidence otherwise? Great job!!

[@approvedofGod]

@@thetroof5525 Jesus existed in the mind or plan of God, but not yet revealed. His name was first introduced in the first century.

[@thetroof5525]

@@approvedofGod Sir, that is absolutely ridiculous. It is not the name "Jesus" that matters in my answer. Jesus existed from the beginning. Read John 1:1. Jesus is called the Word. My answer stands. It was the pre incarnate Jesus and two angels. I don't care if you think the name Jesus applies to Him or not. That is who it was talking to Abraham.

[@approvedofGod]

@@thetroof5525 Nope. There was no incarnate Christ. The Word in John 1:1 is the spoken word or utterance from Almighty God. Jesus existed at the beginning as God, the God of the Old Testament. Look at the Greek for logos. It is not a divine person.

[@abelincoln8885]

Nope. The three men are the trinity. Abraham saw God in three men ... standing next to God. He worshiped all three men, and not one of them told him not to. Neither does chpt 18 single out one of the men as God. And Abraham stood next to God watching the three men leaving. Chapter 18 fully explained how the Trinity works ( plural & singular). The three men are the father, Son & spirit. The Lord standing next to them & Abraham ... is the God the Spirit. The Spirit of God is every where and can take multiple forms at the same time. God the Father & Son, are a single entity and can only be at one place at a time. The Father & Son ... normally reside in Heaven. It is the Spirit of God ... that is responsible for omnipresent, omnipotence, and omniscience. The Mind of Man is body & soul. "Love God with all your heart, mind & soul." The Mind of God is Spirit ... which is Father, Son & Spirit. You could look upon the Father & Son being the body of God ... the the God's soul is the Spirit. Remember that the Church is the "body" of Christ ( Son of God).

[@michaelhuebner6843]

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness You are 100% correct my brother

[@trollogic1505]

I also agree. In chapter 19 it specifies 2 angels arrive in sodom. If these three men were angels it would have said so. I also perceived these three men as speaking to Abraham in unison as one

[@wavewatchers75]

Amen!!

[@fenixrebornmusic818]

Thank you for breaking that down sir.

[@michaelhuebner6843]

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness God is a Trinity and is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is now also a part of God as well. These are also the four horsemen of the Apocalypse

[@fenixrebornmusic818]

@@michaelhuebner6843 are you saying that Jesus does not exist in the God Head? The God Head being Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. From my understanding of the scripture Jesus has always been as the Son. He physically manifested when He came to the earth as a baby.

[@relaxchil5796]

John Chapter 8 Verse 54-58 {8:54} Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: {8:55} Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. {8:56} Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it,] and was glad. {8:57} Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? {8:58} Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 1 of those man was Jesus, Jesus Himself admit Abraham have seen Him and He was there even before Abraham was born.

[@joedice531]

Yessir! 👏

[@LordDirus007]

Yes, its also interesting because it resembles the Transfiguration when Jesus stood with Moses and Elijah and Peter asks if he should prepare a meal for all 3.

[@joedice531]

@@LordDirus007 wait till you examine Jesus and satans conversations in the desert as Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days. Teleportations in real time 🤯

[@LordDirus007]

@@joedice531 "Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test" Jesus puts Satan in his place. Did Satan not know who he was tempting? I AM, THAT I AM, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS I AM I think it was a moral test of the Flesh or Human nature of Christ.

[@joedice531]

@@LordDirus007 all true. But you’re missing the obvious..Satan teleported them from place to place in a snap of satans fingers.

[@mrwolf3174]

In my understanding the three Men were Yahweh (the son not the father), the two angels were Michael and Gabriel, the respective left and right hand before the ascension. Michael was the prince who sat at the right hand before jesus and Gabriel (Gods strength) was the left hand who ruled with an iron rod. The Father is the invisible God, whenever he appears visibly it is the Son who is accompanied by the spirit.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

Show us from the text what the names of the angels are. I'm not a sola scripturist but you're making false assumptions and forcing the text to say something it doesn't say for no reason.

[@mrwolf3174]

Yahweh is mentioned by name, yahweh is king, Michael is the prince, and Gabriel is the strength of God that rules with an iron rod (the word of god)

[@alisterrebelo9013]

@@mrwolf3174 I didn't asked about Yahweh because that's CLEARLY in the text so stop dodging and bringing up something that is irrelevant to my question. Regarding the names of the angels, the Bible doesn't tell us who they are. Retract your post and repent because of your false teaching/understanding.

[@mrwolf3174]

@alisterrebelo9013 Daniel 10:18 Again the one who looked like a man touched me and gave me strength. 19 “Do not be afraid, you who are highly esteemed,” he said. “Peace! Be strong now; be strong.” When he spoke to me, I was strengthened and said, “Speak, my lord, since you have given me strength.” 20 So he said, “Do you know why I have come to you? Soon I will return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I go, the prince of Greece will come; 21 but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince. Here we have Daniel, God gave Daniel Gabriel (the strength of God) who is the left hand he rules with an iron rod (the word of God.) Michael is the prince at the right hand. The two positions are never empty, before Jesus ascended angels sat in those positions.

[@melissabrown8878]

What happened in Genesis 19:1 is not two of the three in Genesis 18, it is two separate beings, angels. We were never told that two departed from the three. Given what we are told, Abraham was likely standing between the LORD and Sodom, when the LORD rose to go towards Sodom, thus putting Abraham face to face with the LORD (aka the three). Not standing behind them. The three being the trinity makes perfect sense given what Christ tells us of his relationship between the Father and the Holy Spirit. I take many issues with the idea that two were angels. 1. They all three spoke in unison, as one body and one with authority. 2. Why would angels speak in unison with God? This would make it appear as if they had equal authority as HIM. 3. When Abraham spoke to them, he referred to all three as LORD. This is clear from the text because it does not say, "and Abraham spoke to one or Abraham spoke to the one on the left/middle/right", because he addressed all three as LORD. 4. Abraham bowed to all three men. We are NOT to bow to angels! 5. The Hebrew word used for men is different from the word used in 19:1 for angels. 6. And most importantly, the passage never tells us that two of the three were angels. 7. Jesus stated in the NT that Abraham had seen him. People think that when God says that he created man in his image that is just speaking of our physical characteristics. However, scripture also describes man as a trinity, body, soul, and spirit. The minds of man are so little that we see the smaller picture without comprehending the bigger picture. Even though we were created in the image of God, he is not the same species as we. His trinity operates in three individual beings, as ours is in one. He has powers to enter our world and exit our world. He has powers to create new worlds and new life, if he chose. He literally is all powerful.

[@Chanokh]

Revelation 11

[@michaelhuebner6843]

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness Take note of the usage of OUR and US God manifests on earth as three men which is the Holy Trinity. The three men are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​@@michaelhuebner6843You are a Bible pervert, stop butchering the Bible and blaspheming God. Genesis 18:1 tells us YHVH appeared to Abhraham and confirmed in Genesis 19:1 tells us CLEARLY two of the three were angels. Genesis 19:24, then shows us there are two Lords, one on Earth with Abraham and the other in Heaven. And finally John 8:56-58 shows us it was Jesus who was the Lord on Earth for He claims to see Abhraham personally. Genesis 18:1 וַיֵּרָ֤א אֵלָיו֙ יְהוָ֔ה (Yahweh) And appeared to him, YAHWEH. Genesis 19:1 ESV The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. Genesis 19:24 וַֽיהוָ֗ה (Yahweh) הִמְטִ֧יר עַל־ סְדֹ֛ם וְעַל־ עֲמֹרָ֖ה גָּפְרִ֣ית גָּפְרִ֣ית מֵאֵ֥ת יְהוָ֖ה (Yahweh) מִן־ הַשָּׁמָֽיִם׃ Then YAHWEH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from YAHWEH out of the heavens. John 8:56-58 ESV 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” Retract your false teaching and repent.

[@danzydunbar7623]

One was the Almighty God and the other two are angels if you read the Strongs definition for LORD. It says the self existing one Yahweh. If you read the Strongs for the other two lords. It says angels. is says master or angel.

[@alienlovearts]

Aliens. Angels. All the same.

[@michaelhuebner6843]

They are fallen angels. Heaven's angels they have departed from and left their first estate.

[@alienlovearts]

@@michaelhuebner6843 archaic language

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​@@michaelhuebner6843 You are a Bible pervert, you have no business being an evangelist at your current level of Bible butchery.

[@approvedofGod]

The only way that one of the three could be the Son is if he had already been begotten in heaven. This is a false doctrine.

[@ardingocarloente6309]

Very true as he won't be the begotten son.

[@approvedofGod]

@@ardingocarloente6309 Trinitarians teach that the Son was begotten before all ages (Nicene Creed). That is a false teaching.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​@@approvedofGod Those who taught the Trinity are of the Church established by Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit on Earth. You can keep yourself out this Church, that's cool. You can explain your Heresies to Jesus Himself on Judgement Day.

[@approvedofGod]

@@alisterrebelo9013 Most protestants are ignorant of the Trinity being 100% Roman Catholic. This was not the Church established by Jesus Christ. The early Church was mostly Jewish. The first Church was founded in Jerusalem not Rome. The first century believers did not believe nor advocate a Triune God.

[@Phantom-xp2co]

​@@approvedofGodfalse, false, false. Go ask coptic Christians or orthodox if they don't believe in the Trinity

[@michaelhuebner6843]

Just as angels can manifest themselves as man while on earth so can God. God is three beings which is why God appears as three men. These three men are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Together these three men are God in the flesh while on earth. This is not God's only form though. Just the form God takes when the Lord comes to earth. This the the Holy Trinity. Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Notice God is talking about Himself in the plural form using US and OUR.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

You are a Bible pervert, stop butchering the Bible and blaspheming God. Genesis 18:1 tells us YHVH appeared to Abhraham and confirmed in Genesis 19:1 tells us CLEARLY two of the three were angels. Genesis 19:24, then shows us there are two Lords, one on Earth with Abraham and the other in Heaven. And finally John 8:56-58 shows us it was Jesus who was the Lord on Earth for He claims to see Abhraham personally. Genesis 18:1 וַיֵּרָ֤א אֵלָיו֙ יְהוָ֔ה (Yahweh) And appeared to him, YAHWEH. Genesis 19:1 ESV The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. Genesis 19:24 וַֽיהוָ֗ה (Yahweh) הִמְטִ֧יר עַל־ סְדֹ֛ם וְעַל־ עֲמֹרָ֖ה גָּפְרִ֣ית גָּפְרִ֣ית מֵאֵ֥ת יְהוָ֖ה (Yahweh) מִן־ הַשָּׁמָֽיִם׃ Then YAHWEH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from YAHWEH out of the heavens. John 8:56-58 ESV 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” Retract your false teaching and repent.

[@theknight.181]

Nope its written that the two man went to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah

[@thetroof5525]

I sincerely used to believe this. But I believe this is in error. The Holy Spirit has never taken on human flesh. No Church anywhere believes this. The Father has never taken on human flesh. Only Jesus. It was Jesus that wrestled with Jacob. It was Jesus in the garden. God in the flesh is Jesus and only Him.

[@ad_wang]

Angel of the Lord is LORD God, same Angel of the Lord in the fiery furnace, Samson's parents and his outstretched hand (himself) on the passover.

[@stargategoku]

Malak means Messenger but it's not ontologically means created or uncreated being. Context will define if malak (angel/Messenger) is created or uncreated being. Like Elohim (God or gods) is not ontologically Deity for example Exodus 7.1 YHWH made Moses Elohim to Pharaoh but moses was not Deity or all powerful or all knowing god. Lot called 2 Angels ADONAI in Genesis 19.18 [CLV] " And saying is Lot to them. "It must not be, pray, Yahweh!" not adoni ( human master) and in Genesis 19.24 And Yahweh rains on Sodom and on Gomorrah sulphur and fire from Yahweh, from the heavens.

[@samchatterjee9834]

The middle person was Jesus. That's christophany. Jesus appeared to save shamrock, Meshach and Abednigo.

[@LetTheTruthBeTold8324]

the three men are GOD, it is crystal clear and if you keep reading Jehovah on EARTH rained fire down from Jehovah from HEAVEN.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

You are a Bible pervert, stop butchering the Bible and blaspheming God. Genesis 18:1 tells us YHVH appeared to Abhraham and confirmed in Genesis 19:1 tells us CLEARLY two of the three were angels. Genesis 19:24, then shows us there are two Lords, one on Earth with Abraham and the other in Heaven. And finally John 8:56-58 shows us it was Jesus who was the Lord on Earth for He claims to see Abhraham personally. Genesis 18:1 וַיֵּרָ֤א אֵלָיו֙ יְהוָ֔ה (Yahweh) And appeared to him, YAHWEH. Genesis 19:1 ESV The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. Genesis 19:24 וַֽיהוָ֗ה (Yahweh) הִמְטִ֧יר עַל־ סְדֹ֛ם וְעַל־ עֲמֹרָ֖ה גָּפְרִ֣ית גָּפְרִ֣ית מֵאֵ֥ת יְהוָ֖ה (Yahweh) מִן־ הַשָּׁמָֽיִם׃ Then YAHWEH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from YAHWEH out of the heavens. John 8:56-58 ESV 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” Retract your false teaching and repent.

[@Phantom-xp2co]

The Son made the Father rain down fire from Heaven

[@womackk999]

The more I hear it and read it the scarier.

[@lonnierandall7882]

How can the God who is one appear as a man standing before the tent of Abraham while He is still enthroned in heaven and still be present in every place in creation all at the same time? It is because He is the Father and He is the Son and He is the Holy Spirit. But if you don't understand that, He is a stone of stumbling to you. De 6:4 ¶ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: The Meaning of One 1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is ONE Spirit. The Spirit is God's essence. Spirit is what God is, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit. That is the missing key to understanding "the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The reason the Father and the Son are One is because they are the Holy Spirit and there is only One Holy Spirit. This scripture makes it plain. The Spirit is also how we are one in them when we believe. Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but IN THE SPIRIT, if so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his. 10 ¶ And if CHRIST be IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; but THE SPIRIT IS LIFE because of righteousness. 11 But if THE SPIRIT OF HIM THAT RAISED UP JESUS from the dead DWELL IN YOU, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU. Ro 12:5 So WE, BEING MANY, ARE ONE BODY IN CHRIST, and every one members one of another. 1Co 10:17 For we being many are ONE BREAD, and ONE BODY: for we are all partakers of that ONE BREAD. 1Co 12:12 ¶ For as THE BODY IS ONE, AND HATH MANY MEMBERS, and all the members of that ONE BODY, being many, are ONE BODY: SO ALSO IS CHRIST. In the exact same way, Jesus said,... Joh 10:30 I AND my Father ARE ONE. Joh 17:11 ¶ And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE: (IN THE SAME WAY) Joh 17:20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for THEM ALSO WHICH SHALL BELIEVE IN ME through their word; 21 THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE ONE: (IN THE SAME WAY) 23 I IN THEM AND THOU IN ME, that they may be made perfect IN ONE; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Joh 17:24 ¶ Father, I WILL THAT THEY ALSO, WHOM THOU HAS GIVEN ME, BE WITH ME WHERE I AM; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for THOU LOVEDST ME BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I IN THEM. Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for HE DWELLETH WITH YOU, AND SHALL BE IN YOU. 18 ¶ I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU. Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE WILL COME UNTO HIM, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM. Jesus comes to us in the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't leave them, it emanates from them. That is how God is omnipresent. His Spirit permeates every place in heaven and earth. Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Mt 7:7 ¶ Ask, and it shall be given you; Lu 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? In the book of Revelation, in the last two chapters, where it talks about the new heaven and the new earth, we find no mention of the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is there, in the Father and the Son. What we do see is a river of life flowing out of the throne. Re 22:1 ¶ And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. Joh 7:37 ¶ In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. Trinity isn’t a good explanation of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Look at these references to the Holy Spirit. These are from the kjv. Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, the Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of Jesus Christ, Spirit of the Lord , Spirit of Christ, Spirit of the living God, Spirit of our God, Spirit of your Father, holy Spirit of God, Spirit which is of God, Spirit of His Son, his Holy Spirit, My Spirit, His Spirit, the Lord is that Spirit, Spirit of grace, holy Spirit of promise, Spirit of adoption, Spirit of life in Christ, Spirit of life from God, the Spirit itself. The way the Spirit is described in scripture as being "of God" and "of His Son" and being "His Spirit", it doesn't sound like a third person. The Spirit isn't a third person. It is what God is. Just as you and I are human beings, the Father and Son are Holy Spirit. The idea “trinity” was not conceived until about a hundred and fifty years after the crucifixion. It was not until the Synod of Alexandria in 362 A. D. that this hypothesis became doctrine. Catholic Encyclopedia Trinity: The Dogma of the Trinity: "The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion - the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are THREE PERSONS, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these THREE PERSONS being truly distinct one from another." "The Persons are CO-ETERNAL and CO-EQUAL: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent." "In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Divine Persons are denoted together. The word TPIAS (of which the Latin TRINITAS is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of “the TRINITY of God [the Father], His WORD and His WISDOM” (“AD. AUTO1”., II, 15, P.G., VI, 1078). The term may, of course have been in use before his time. Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of TRINITAS in Tertullian (“De pud”, c. xxi, P.G., II 1026). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of origin. "The writers of this school contend that The doctrine of the Trinity, as professed by the Church, is not contained in the New Testament, but it was first formulated in the second century and recieved final aprobation in the fourth century, as the result of the Arian and Macedonian controversies." The New Catholic Encyclopedia - 1967, VOL. XIV, PAGE 299: The formulation “one God in three Persons" was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the fourth century. But it is precisely this formulation that first claimed to title “The Trinitarian Dogma.” Among the apostlic fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Spirit is what God is, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit. There is only One Holy Spirit, therefore, God is One. Php 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Lu 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Lu 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

[@Phantom-xp2co]

You are 100% correct. The man in front of Abraham was the Son, the God in Heaven was the Father. Anytime God appears in human form it's always the Son, Jesus!

[@ndor1429]

The LORD who visited Abraham was God in flesh and that was Jesus. The other two were Angels. St. John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad." St. John 8:57 "You are not yet fifty years old," they said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!" St. John 8:58 "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" ----------- Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah -from the LORD out of the heavens. As per above verse, there were two LORDS. The LORD in flesh on the earth and the LORD from out in the heavens.

[@sailung1076]

this is true

[@LordDirus007]

Yeah thats the smoking Gun of the Trinity. Jews just don't want to see this. How is God walking as a Man on earth while God is in Heaven? Its because God is 3.

[@steezefly3441]

Come on brother ✝️🔥

[@FrankNStein-pf9rr]

Clear 2 me. Maybe IF the 3 letter word G, as in Gadriel, o, as in odorous, d, as in devil < > God WAS/IS UNDERSTOOD AS TO WHAT IT REALLY MEANS & WHO IT FIRST APPLIED TO, THEN IT MIGHT MAKE IT CLEAR TO THOSE WHO ARE STILL CONFUSED!! Etymology of word God - Wahiduddin > "The word God is a relatively new European invention, which was never used in any of the ancient Judaeo-Christian scripture manuscripts which were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or Latin." < > Etymology of word God - Wahiduddin "God" is a word that first came to be that word for the FRST TIME in the 3rd Century A.D., AND it applied to an IDOL that a Reiks named Wingurich paraded around in a chariot forcing all people in the presence of "God, the IDOL" to bow & grovel like a dog TO God the IDOL or perish!!! Does anyone study & research anymore??

[@YK-lj6tu]

Interesting...I just watched a video "Did Abraham Greet the Holy Trinity?" when this popped up.

[@TheEmptyeye]

is there anyplace in the bible where we see the term “God the Son” ? or “God the Holy Spirit”?

[@Gats8479]

But the JW and other who don't accept Jesus as God jn Geneesis 18 sad part for them.

[@chowdhurymeherali-mf9vz]

angel Gabriel and other two angel of god.

[@bobcliffabuga]

The Three Men were The LORD JESUS CHRIST, Moses and Elijah ( who are the 2 witnesses of our LORD YAHWEH on every judgment of the LORD ) You can also reffere/call them the two Generals of the LORD You will See THEY are also promised by GOD in the book of Malachi 4:4-6 ( where they will come again as generals in the end time), also in Revelation 11 ( they will be the beholders of the wrath of GOD in the End time and here they are referred to as the 2 witnesses of the LORD ) and also in Revelation 14:6-7 ( they are referred to as THE ANGLE of THE LORD)

[@LordDirus007]

Yeah but Moses wasn't born yet. This was Abraham. You might be thinking of the Transfiguration. It could have been Michael, Gabriel and Jesus

[@michaelmccaffrey2731]

Genesis 19:1-2 two were angels.

[@susanehamlin8550]

Hate to burst your bubble, but he is one. Hashem ( G-D) told all of Yisrael Hashem is your G-D, Hashem is the One and only. He is one there is no second to compare to G-D.

[@Christine-te4mr]

You're not bursting any buble. You need to re-read chapter 15 and 18 again. The LORD would be speaking to himself about himself, like a madman? The Word = Jesus Can't you spell GOD?

[@QBAN2010]

This is good stuff! I am teaching on Genesis 18 tomorrow…..

[@abelincoln8885]

No. This is teaching is incorrect. The three Men were the Trinity. Abraham worshiped all the three men and treat all three ... as God. Not one of the men told Abraham NOT to worship them. The Chapter never says two men left and Abraham spoke to one. Abraham saw God in three men standing next to God ... and what watched the three men leaving standing next to God. The Three Men were the Father Son & Spirit ... and .. it was God ( the Spirit) that was standing next to them & Abraham. The Spirit of God is everywhere and can take multiple forms at the same time. Chapter 18 was explaining how the Trinity works. The Father & Son can only take one form at a time, which is why they have thrones in Heaven. God is Spirit. And it is the Spirit of God that is all present, powerful & knowing. The Father & Son are in perfect union with the Spirit, with the Father being the God head who has final say ... which is why Jesus(Son of God) said not my will but thy will be done. The complete Man is body & soul. Jesus explained with the great commandment that the Mind of Man is the body & the soul. The body can "love" or "hate" God. This is why Jesus could not have a corrupt Human Body as it can sin. You can look at the Father & Son being the body of God ... & ... the Spirit being the soul of God. All three are God ... just as the body & soul is Man.

[@stargategoku]

@@abelincoln8885 we both have same understanding. Malak means Messenger but it's not ontologically means created or uncreated being. Context will define if malak (angel/Messenger) is created or uncreated being for example Genesis 16v7-14 or Exodus 3. On these verses first NALAK YHWH appeared and later verses MALAK YHWH became YHWH or God in Exodus3.6. Another example Elohim (God or gods) is not ontologically Deity for example Exodus 7.1 YHWH made Moses Elohim to Pharaoh but moses was not Deity or all powerful or all knowing god. The other YHWH left Abraham amd 2 Malak went to Sodom and Gomorrah and when Lot saw them, Lot bowed down with his face to the ground. Lot called 2 Angels ADONAI in Genesis 19.18 [CLV] " And saying is Lot to them. "It must not be, pray, Yahweh!" not adoni ( human master), and in Genesis 19.24 And Yahweh rains on Sodom and on Gomorrah sulphur and fire from Yahweh, from the heavens.

[@abelincoln8885]

@@stargategoku The first reference to God in the Torah ... is Elohim. Bereshiet Eohim .... created (singular) ... the Heaven & the Earth. All the Hebrew words in the Torah used to describe God of Abraham, Issac & Jacob ... are completely ontological once you have read them in the correct context. Again. Elohim was the first word used for the God that created the Heaven's and the Earth. Bereshit ... is word for Genesis ... and is translated to mean "In the beginning" and also means "Covenant." Old Hebrew was a pictograph language with each letter being a picture with common accepted meaning ... and ... a old Hebrew worlds usually have a picture mean. Bereshit also has a hidden meaning of "SON of God ... by his HANDS will be the SIGN." And Genesis 1.2 Then says the SPIRIT of God was hovering over the surface of the Earth ..... not Elohim or any other Hebrew word for the God of Abrahma, Issac & Jacob. God is referred to in singular & plural pronouns ... in Genesis (Bereshit or the Covenant). Everything about God, His being & nature ... and ... His plan to save His children.... is in Genesis, including God will provide His "only begotten Son" to be a sin sacrifice that will satisfy God (The Father) who must punish all who sin ... with death (body & soul). Again. You must get everything in the correct context, and stop ignoring the obvious. Issac was not Abraham's "only begotten Son" that was mentioned THREE times in Genesis 22. Remember Abraham saw God in Three Men in Genesis 18 ... and knew at that time that God is a Father, Son & Spirit. This Chapter was fully explaining how the Trinity works. There is nothing in Genesis 18 that says God is one of the three men ... and .... the other Angels. What you are doing is assuming Genesis 19 ... is a continuation of Genesis 18. It is not. Lot is not Abraham ... but a very flawed person ... who stupidly worshiped two Angels and offered his two daughters to be raped by perverts ... to try to protect the Angels. God or Angels .... are not frightened of puny human beings wanting to rape them ... and definitely would never want Lot to offer his daughters to be raped & murders ... to save an Almighty God ... or ... two powerful Angels. The Two Angels of God ... were sent to destroy the cities. The Three Men that Abraham meet were going to to see if the sins of the cities were true. Again. These Men are God ... and already know about the sins of the city. Genesis 18 & 19 ... where deliberately made similar but are not the same story ... to explain God is a Trinity and Abraham, not Lot, is who God choose to be the Father of the Faith ... & ... a nation of Priest ( Jews ). Abraham knew with the binding of Issac ... that God is a Father, Son & Spirit. God wasn't really testing Abraham at all. Abraham knew exactly what God was doing .. when he was ordered to sacrifice his "only begotten" Son. Genesis 22 was a Messianic Prophecy ... with God providing His only begotten Son ... to be a sin sacrifice ... that will satisfy God, and save His Children from death. The most important book of the Bible (Torah) ... is Genesis ... is the Covenant between God & Man ... is God's Son by His Hands will be the sign.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​​@@abelincoln8885 You are a Bible pervert, stop butchering the Bible and blaspheming God. Genesis 18:1 tells us YHVH appeared to Abhraham and confirmed in Genesis 19:1 tells us CLEARLY two of the three were angels. Genesis 19:24, then shows us there are two Lords, one on Earth with Abraham and the other in Heaven. And finally John 8:56-58 shows us it was Jesus who was the Lord on Earth for He claims to see Abhraham personally. Genesis 18:1 וַיֵּרָ֤א אֵלָיו֙ יְהוָ֔ה (Yahweh) And appeared to him, YAHWEH. Genesis 19:1 ESV The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. Genesis 19:24 וַֽיהוָ֗ה (Yahweh) הִמְטִ֧יר עַל־ סְדֹ֛ם וְעַל־ עֲמֹרָ֖ה גָּפְרִ֣ית גָּפְרִ֣ית מֵאֵ֥ת יְהוָ֖ה (Yahweh) מִן־ הַשָּׁמָֽיִם׃ Then YAHWEH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from YAHWEH out of the heavens. John 8:56-58 ESV 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” Retract your false teaching and repent.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​​@@stargategoku You are a Bible pervert too. Stop butchering the Bible and blaspheming God. Genesis 18:1 tells us YHVH appeared to Abhraham and confirmed in Genesis 19:1 tells us CLEARLY two of the three were angels. Genesis 19:24, then shows us there are two Lords, one on Earth with Abraham and the other in Heaven. And finally John 8:56-58 shows us it was Jesus who was the Lord on Earth for He claims to see Abhraham personally. Genesis 18:1 וַיֵּרָ֤א אֵלָיו֙ יְהוָ֔ה (Yahweh) And appeared to him, YAHWEH. Genesis 19:1 ESV The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. Genesis 19:24 וַֽיהוָ֗ה (Yahweh) הִמְטִ֧יר עַל־ סְדֹ֛ם וְעַל־ עֲמֹרָ֖ה גָּפְרִ֣ית גָּפְרִ֣ית מֵאֵ֥ת יְהוָ֖ה (Yahweh) מִן־ הַשָּׁמָֽיִם׃ Then YAHWEH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from YAHWEH out of the heavens. John 8:56-58 ESV 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” Retract your false teaching and repent.

[@さむさん-u9j]

In conclusion , both men are Jesus?　(who is the vision or the incarnated body)

[@UniversalMind-10]

No trinity. Ywh and 2 unknown angels.

[@abelincoln8885]

@@UniversalMind-10 Wrong. Abraham worshiped all the three men and treat all three ... as God. Not one of the men told Abraham NOT to worship them. The Chapter never says two men left and Abraham spoke to one. Abraham saw God in three men standing next to God ... and what watched the three men leaving standing next to God. The Three Men were the Father Son & Spirit ... and .. it was God ( the Spirit) that was standing next to them & Abraham. The Spirit of God is everywhere and can take multiple forms at the same time. Chapter 18 was explaining how the Trinity works. The Father & Son can only take one form at a time, which is why they have thrones in Heaven. God is Spirit. And it is the Spirit of God that is all present, powerful & knowing. The Father & Son are in perfect union with the Spirit, with the Father being the God head who has final say ... which is why Jesus(Son of God) said not my will but thy will be done. The complete Man is body & soul. Jesus explained with the great commandment that the Mind of Man is the body & the soul. The body can "love" or "hate" God. This is why Jesus could not have a corrupt Human Body as it can sin. You can look at the Father & Son being the body of God ... & ... the Spirit being the soul of God. All three are God ... just as the body & soul is Man.

[@UniversalMind-10]

@@abelincoln8885 False. No such thing as a Trinity your adding Christian dogma. Besides Trinity means 1 according to Christians so these 2 angels aren't Jesus and holy ghost.

[@abelincoln8885]

@@UniversalMind-10 lol. Abraham worship the THREE MEN .... as Lord. Not one of the Men told Abraham NOT to worship them. All three were God. And Abraham saw the three Men standing next to God ... and he stood next to God watching the Men leave. Nowhere in Chapter 18 does it say two men left and Abraham was talking to one of the men. You are assuming the Angels at Sodom & Gomorrah were two of the Men that Abraham worshiped & served. Abraham addresses all three Men as LORD .... and treated all three Men exactly the same ... and ... THEY told Abraham to do what he said he would do as THEIR servant. Go on clown. Prove what I have just said is not in Genesis 18. God doesn't need to walk Sodom & Gomorrah with two angels to find out if they are truly evil ... and take a pit stop at Abraham's camp. God already knows everything, including Abraham pleading to save as many as he could by asking. Chapter 18 ...is all about the the Trinity & how it works. it was the God the Spirit that was standing next to the three men and Abraham watching the Men leave. And men were the Father, Son & Spirit. The Spirit is everywhere, and therefore can take multiple forms at the same time. The Father & Son can only be at one place at a time. The Father is the God head and has final say a God. This is why Jesus (Son of God) said "Not my will by your(father) will be done." But the Son & the Spirit are also God .. which is why Abraham was talking to God The Spirit watch The Father, Son & Spirit leaving. Again. Why didn't God stop Abraham worshiping all three Men? Abraham called all three Lord, said he was THEIR servant, treated all three exactly the same ... and THEY told Abraham to go and do what he said he would do for THEM. It's all in black & white. Clear & obvious and NOT open to "interpretation" by moronic Rabbis ... who say God likes to copy Human royals and refer to Himself in the plural. Numbnuts.

[@stargategoku]

@@UniversalMind-10 angel or messenger in hebrew means malak, malak is not ontologically means created or uncreated . Context will define the being if malak is createdor uncreated. For example Genesis 16v7-14 or Exodus 3. Malak YHWH appeared to hagar in Genesis 16v7 but later Moses narrated MALAK YHWH as YHWH in Genesis 16.11 and Hagar said to MALAK YHWH who appeared to her as "GOD WHO SEES ME" Another example is in Exodus 3.2 MALAK YHWH appeared to Moses but in succeeding verses like Exodus 3.6 MALAK YHWH said "I AM GOD of Abraham Isaac and Jacob" and then moses used YHWH or Elohim Exodus 3.7,-14

[@Skyy-avari]

They were not 3 MEN they were ANGELS. get your facts straight. !!!

[@rayshawnfountain6579]

it says he brought them food and he stood by them as they ate. i didnt know angels ate!

[@Christine-te4mr]

God does whatever he likes and if he wants to take the appearance of a human or three, who are you to question his power? He is the Almighty, he can do anything. We do not understand the extent of his power. We are limiting his power and abilities by questioning what he can and cannot do. Ask the Holy Spirit to give you the intelligence to understand.

[@roquerincon3722]

Catholic Theology is the way

[@dominiqueubersfeld2282]

The Three Men That Appear to Abraham Are Frodo Baggins, Harry Potter And Luke Skywalker.