Who Could Face Charges & The Future Of The FA Cup? | Price of Football Fan Debate

[@MattLTT]

Best episode in ages on one of the biggest problems in football - fans being fleeced. Great to see everyone coming together and agreeing, solidarity is imperative.

[@rahulshah3517]

Maybe if the players didn’t demand a quarter of a million quid a week eh 🤷‍♀️

[@alingard1]

Is it though? It's basically a group rant . No talk if solutions or action to halt it. Just going round in circles really. Ratcliff, 66quid, blah blah blah Until fabs actually get together and be strong nothing will change , except get worse.

[@craigmullen9046]

​@@alingard1correct I've had this Argument. They will moan about it. But continue to sit on their hands and pay it. And I've stated your part of the problem!!!

[@2tearsinabucket521]

Same with our government..they are fleecing us,and the way they’ve treated the elderly lately is totally unacceptable

[@Justanotherandy63]

@@alingard1 It is the same with refs and VAR. If it's their team they scream and shout, if it's their rival, they don't say anything about the bad decisions, and often agree with the bad decision purely because it is against a team they don't like. Until everyone is singing from the same songsheet, nothing will happen.

[@ImSwaggyP]

As an American you have to fight this. It’s ridiculous how much NBA and NFL games cost.

[@pavolkocis7456]

Tell me about it. Next month, I'll be visiting Florida and thinking to myself about an ice hockey game in Tampa. The average price is around 200$. Total rip off

[@snoopaloop310]

Yeah, NHL is crazy as well.

[@timothybrown5741]

MLS prices are out of control too. Easy some seats in every stadium are over $120 I agree about nhl.. I tried to go to a blue jacket game and cheapest was $150 and they were playing blues.

[@muzmason3064]

Dynamic pricing is an American invention 🫣

[@jacquesmassard9226]

i just walked up on game day for a seattle mariners game. it was like $20. seat geek and etc.. will gut you .

[@heighleybaily8037]

This was an awesome convo. Fans need to stand together and stop the heart being ripped out of our clubs. Football is more than a sport or a spectical for tourists, it's our heritage

[@alexab543]

Gareth Roberts by far my favourite LFC representative in the big youtube shows, thanks for platforming him!

[@matthewjamison]

💯. Redman TV are FSG apologists. So they can gain access to preseason tours, player/club access etc..

[@djrosser7167]

I met Gareth about 10 years ago when he was at The Anfield Wrap and I was experimenting with doing a Liverpool podcast. He's a really nice bloke, gave me some time when he didn't need to. I then saw him at Anfield a year or so later and had a nice chat with him. He's a very genuine guy, no ego and incredibly knowledgeable about Liverpool. Great to see him on here and happy his podcast is doing really well.

[@Danny_kay]

Yes facts lad its great we see him on shows.

[@t3zzy-rq6mj]

Well better than the redden tv

[@alexab543]

@@t3zzy-rq6mj I was thinking of generalist channels like Big 6 and DR, when it comes to Liverpool-centric content I also like a couple other guys, like, Josh Williams and Ian Ryan, but Robbo is still a top bloke either way, honest and straight-forward, tries to call it like it is

[@garyvalentine8081]

That scouse lad was brilliant. Seems like he's doing some great work

[@CliveWarren-tu6wt]

Agree he was superb. Then Rory Jennings speaks 😂😂

[@YA-hm5zy]

​@CliveWarren-tu6wt rory wasn't bad lol. But Robbo is boss.

[@YA-hm5zy]

Also he's got a great podcast called the late challenge, if you're interested.

[@ScreechpowersUTE]

@@YA-hm5zythanks for this, been looking for a good podcast based around the reds

[@MidnightToker-ub4ni]

gareth's got a great podcast called THE LATE CHALLENGE well worth a sub!!!

[@tomrwheeler]

It's so great to see fans that are so well-informed and understanding of the most important issues of the game.

[@anwla]

Big up to Paul Scholes speaking truth to the man 👏🏻

[@thezhat5806]

Honest to god this is the best episode yet

[@Plasticjesus504]

As an American it is a huge issue in the states. Prices for games as well as concerts are just absurd. No family can go to the games regularly, unless they are upper middle class.

[@tombowers6713]

Not to mention if you buy the ticket online all the hidden fees that practically double the price.

[@TheLastAngryMan01]

Ticketmaster, in a word. Sadly they are getting their claws in over here, too.

[@mattthomas3882]

Because it's the land of capitalism profits over people at all cost

[@04mdsimps]

Is there a live event tax or something in most states? I’ve been to festivals and stuff in america where the tax is crazy

[@indexpictures]

the dollar is overvalued in exchange. your price levels make sense at the old 2:1 GBP rate but now the dollar is overvalued your day to day prices of ie. $22 for a gas station lunch looks mad. at least your land is cheap!

[@YerryMina187]

The Kopite is completely right. The substance is leaving the game.

[@celtic69]

Americanisation unfortunately

[@davidkelly790]

It left about 25 years ago, most people in England are only realizing it now.

[@ColmPadraig]

The substance left the game when the working class was priced out. That happened before some us were even born. A lot of people are just in denial acting like it's a recent thing

[@wilhelm_____4913]

is right fella, all kopites speak sense

[@kiriakoz]

Nieve hasn't spoken yet but I wanted to be the first to post a "how good is Nieve" post in advance.

[@Axhdib]

😂

[@jennyradcliffe5570]

Why

[@MRT1601]

Calling all simps

[@parmaman8551]

AwayDays would have been a better representative for ‘lower league clubs’ than Nieve for this episode

[@ryuhayabaker]

​@@parmaman8551 really? He supports Leeds and Porto.

[@TonyHavenMusic]

It’s almost like paying 100 million for a player and then 500k week isn’t sustainable, if only we had some form of accounting companies they could contact for advise

[@joncoish]

The problem is a few of the top teams probably can manage that from time to time, but then those big sales increase the cost of players across the board and it makes it hard for smaller teams, especially newly promoted teams, trying to compete. The disparity between the bigger and smaller teams increases.

[@deeno18786]

Best comment I’ll read today. It’s been out of hand for years

[@romulus3345]

30 years ago Roy Keane was the most expensive player in England when Man Utd bought him for £3.75M and gave him a contract worth £22k a week.. Today players like Sancho are being bought for $75M and being handed £300k a week. And the clubs expect the fans to pay for this!

[@WutangToft]

@@romulus3345 That's not true. Alan Shearer had already been sold for more to Blackburn and would be sold for even more to Newcastle only a year after. But I get the sentiment.

[@nicksims2827]

@@WutangToftEh? Shearer went to Blackburn for £3.3m and then moved to Newcastle in July 1996, 3 years after Keane went to United. If you’re going to be pedantic, at least be correct.

[@Ali-sj5pn]

Well said about kids football & paying over £100 for 60mins pitch it’s disgusting..

[@larrygerry985]

Then dont go...... the problem is that you still get full crowds. So the model works

[@Zwaaye]

@@larrygerry985 If you were able to read, you'd see that what was highlighted was kids paying for local pitches to PLAY football, not watching, and no mention of crowds

[@mickeyp1257]

The thing is you don't see kids playing football on any waste ground, or school yards like we did as kids, they're too busy looking at their phones !!!!!!!!!!!!

[@MCFCfoodbank]

@@mickeyp1257 seen the size of school fences these days, and depending where you are in the country there's no waste ground anyway everything's secured and being built on. Can't blame kids for not playing out if their parents don't let them out.

[@rafalrazmus]

Where are these pitches for £100? My son rents a 5 aside pitch with his mates for £5 each for an hour and this is in London.

[@Jannetts_]

Villa charge 95 quid for UCL and 72 quid for the brighton fixture recently. the cost of loyalty there is INSANE

[@phiIip488]

Just don’t pay it then

[@jackyarnell4707]

For such a small club that’s surprising.

[@Justmemes551]

@phiIip488 wdym don’t pay it? Fans in general are the lifeblood of any club, so if they don’t pay it they don’t come, so what, do u want a stadium of speakers to build up the atmosphere rather than fans just like in 2020💀?! These owners should be doing a lot better than that to reduce the price

[@phiIip488]

@@Justmemes551just don’t pay it, protest if you don’t like it

[@Justmemes551]

@phiIip488Tbf on going protests should be the solution, coz u don’t wanna exploit the sake of our clubs to thus belittle the fans itselves, it is just wild

[@spicecadet1126]

The wages the players earn and the transfer fees are too bloated. They are not worth so much. Footballers and agents cannot be allowed to bleed the game dry.

[@connorwhyte131]

Premier league transfer fees are so inflated. Having a cap on ticket prices would help bring down the overall market prices of players meaning every club pays less anyway

[@carlmcgrath484]

Exactly the market will just correct and players will cost less, so simple

[@np4080]

You can't control unilaterally as players will move to leagues where they get higher wages.

[@connorwhyte131]

@ mid table teams are able to take players from some of the best teams in Europe. Theres only really Real Madrid or PSG that could pay more in wages than any other premier league team

[@connorwhyte131]

@ it’s been the best league for over 20 years. It’s only recently the lesser teams have been able to pay crazy fees. If the premier league teams stopped paying mad fees the market would go down across the whole of Europe

[@craigmullen9046]

That's why you need a European wage cap. Across the board, so you don't get all the best players going to one league.

[@jamesmichaels4979]

If clubs are really struggling, then reduce player salary

[@joncoish]

But player salaries don’t go up because all teams got together and decided to increase salaries, they go up because teams compete to try and sign players and different teams will offer higher wages to try and win those contracts. If you just tried to reduce salaries in England the top players would go to Spain or Italy, if they were reduced across Europe the top players would go to Saudi. The problem I see it is that the so called big 6 in England can handle it but then it gets passed down to the smaller teams as well and they’re the real ones that will struggle.

[@irawangani1]

Dont transfer the blame on the players

[@stephen-fu2ls]

The premier league needs to introduce a salary cap. Otherwise there will never be a player salary reduction due to competition to be promoted, not to be relegated, reach europe etc

[@chriswheal8204]

if one club reduces salaries and keeps ticket prices low, their players will just move to clubs that raise ticket prices and pay higher salaries.

[@stretfordender11]

Have a youth player in the squad rather than an over paid alternative. Easy solution

[@amesbringingjoy]

One of the best episodes I’ve watched. Could’ve watched it for hours & hours

[@sodawaterlime]

ESPN having rights to the FA cup is maybe the dumbest thing that’s ever happened to watching television

[@forza1248]

What was wrong when they showed FA Cup matches?

[@pmjon8420]

One of the most enjoyable episodes I’ve watched. It’s so good to have fans come together and share the same concerns and be willing to put rivalry aside. The financial analyst was exceptional. Well done everyone involved 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@ryuhayabaker]

47:40 - as ridiculous as Rory might sound saying this, it's exactly what the FA Trophy used to do. Before the game they would have it set that every game goes to a replay, and it was down to each club a week before the match to decide do they want to finish the game on the night. If only one team wanted to finish on the night, it would go to a replay.

[@dimwitdave9344]

I think it's a great idea. I think the conversation would need to be had before kick off though, so that the players knew what was coming.

[@hulejiabrahamtukura4616]

But with broadcasting rights and all that... deciding a replay and suitable time for the replay would be hard to agree on

[@mrnikeshgudka]

Nieve’s point on Spurs is spot on especially on the part about standards created by ticket pricing

[@khabibsson7122]

The point about pitches costing £100 is so true, it’s got to the point where you can’t play football as regularly because it’s simply too expensive

[@gzchannel814]

Blame inflation..high cost of living.

[@robertdundee2011]

Some of the best Africans and Brazilians ever played football on beaches and waste grounds in their bare feet. The cost of fake pitches isn’t an excuse for anything.

[@tq6892]

Steve Gibson needs to be given more credit for what he has done and what he represents. He gambled and took over his hometown club and saved them from liquidation. He brought them world stars in Ravanelli, Juninho etc and won them a league cup and went to a European final. The last 15 years he has done his absolute best to promote young coaches and to maintain a healthy balance book for the club. He is what English football used to be all about.

[@mrfog9791]

100% UTB

[@richiewinters7242]

UTB proper owner!!

[@iamthewalrusable]

I paid £350+ for a ticket in the kop for the Real game, most of the people around me were also 'tourists'. It cost me over £1000 to attend one game due to travel, the lfc membership pack cost me £65 a year for 'a chance' of a ticket. After 4 years i haven't been successful for 1 game.

[@pfella1878]

Your the problem I'm afraid

[@iamthewalrusable]

@@pfella1878 oh yes i fully agree. i would rather pay a sensible price and buy tickets through official channels, but thats not an option

[@phiIip488]

What a mug 😂

[@phiIip488]

Should’ve gone to an away match at a small club. Could’ve watched Liverpool for £20

[@callumatkins6891]

Support your local

[@yanited1892]

Nieve Petruzziello was bang on about ticket prices rising for the richer to be still capable of buying them and pricing out the locals.

[@TheDjd111]

Literally just met Kieran Maguire at my work what a great guy! great insight on the situation going on at clubs currently.

[@OCDean24]

Excellent to have Kieran on with his in-depth knowledge. Was great to see and understand what is actually going on at so many clubs these days.

[@AnthonyRoe-w1q]

Stop over paying the footballers, then some of thier salaries are beyond ridiculous

[@hermankermit-warm1121]

Is that how capitalism works bruh? Let me guess, you like football so the thing you like should work differently to the rest of the world right? 💀. In a world where bank bosses get bonuses for corruption and failure you expect sports players for multi billion corporations not to be paid hundreds of thousands a week. How's the weather in Narnia?

[@hulejiabrahamtukura4616]

I agree but also I think capping salaries would encourage more third party payments. Like a player's family member hired as a "club consultant" by the "club sponsors". As I said I agree, just highlighting a potential issue

[@magscheshire8375]

@@hulejiabrahamtukura4616 I also suspect there’s potentially not wanting overseas players to decide against going to the premier league involved. If they pay the most wages and then attract the best thought that they get the best league

[@newcastlefanstv]

As Newcastle fans, we pay more than any supporter for an away game, simply because we have to travel the most. The nearest clubs to us is the Manchester clubs. So not just the £30 ticket, it's all that travel every time, and because of the distance, a lot will book hotels each time. Fans aren't looked after.

[@Sean-wu8qf]

Instead of 5th place getting that UCL spot, it should go to the FA Cup winner. Would make it unbelievable to watch

[@chrishallammusic]

They get a place in the Europa league, if they haven't already qualified for the UCL. That's why Man Utd are in the Europa league this season despite finishing 8th last season. Although UCL would be more interesting.

[@KieranMowatt]

That’s because you’re league is high on the coefficient list the higher you are the more teams qualify for European competitions

[@chrishallammusic]

@@KieranMowatt true but not in this case. Newcastle came 7th and didn't qualify for Europe.

[@forza1248]

I don’t think this is a good idea, qualifying for the Champions League for winning 6 games is bonkers

[@taliamason7986]

5th place doesn't get the UCL spot unless that club has a good enough coefficient. So if Man City missed the top 5 and either Forrest or Newcastle ended up finishing 5th, they would miss out because their coefficient is way too low in comparison to the top 5 of La Liga and Serie A as of right now.

[@JackMiller96]

Probably one of the best episodes yet. But why do the people in the back row even bother going, they never speak 😂

[@EmArgh]

They don't get chance with Adam and Rory

[@16ozClawHammer]

You would assume that they do but it probably gets edited out when packaging up the show.

[@phiIip488]

Cause they aren’t media trained NPC’s like mckola and neive

[@soundchappy]

They are extras! They will be paid

[@Progressive90]

Fill in the frame? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@owestyo]

That pricing at Salford is incredible. 6:07 to put that in context it’s £35 to watch a scarlets rugby game and the best players are always away on wales duty meaning it’s sub standard rugby at top price. Well done to Salford.

[@Itswilliams-xt7ti]

Well done ? £250 a season ticket when there’s championship clubs charging less than that

[@lloydc1092]

Let’s be honest , parc y scarlets is always empty with or without internationals 😂

[@owestyo]

@ 🤣🤣true. This is why though. It’s the same for every club.

[@owestyo]

@ what do you expect? £3 a game? It’s not the 40’s mate 🤣 £11 a game isn’t bad

[@ash-3340]

@@owestyoi paid less this season for a Birmingham season ticket

[@stuartfilby2358]

Really good episode. Best one, I've seen. Kieran was excellent

[@marcosmagic1983]

Brilliant episode Genuine concerns here discussed very well and the finance guy gave a great platform for all the others to work off with his detail & fact, Probs the best episode for me certainly one I’ve enjoyed the most 👏👏👏

[@Begbiespintpot]

If owners think that the best way to increase revenue is to price out regular fans at the cost of football tourism, then they risk destroying the atmosphere and the very reason for what has made the game what it is.

[@jakehowie442]

They’ve already done this in Premier League stadiums. Tourists have destroyed the atmosphere, songs are longer sung in most games

[@kb5509]

What atmosphere? Roy Keane was calling fans the prawn sandwich brigade 25 years ago.

[@LogBomb]

@@jakehowie442tourists haven’t destroyed it, the owners have. They’re the ones choosing to price real fans out.

[@ColmPadraig]

​@@LogBomb It's both

[@LensBadger]

FA Cup: Really simple solution… Scrap replays (and extra time). However, before the game, clubs are offered the chance to swap where the fixture is played. Lower league clubs would benefit from increased revenue (and fans get a day out). Premier League clubs have then benefit of playing at home. E.g Tamworth and Spurs would both prefer the game to be played @ Tottenham. Where teams are drawn against opponents in the same division (Blades Vs Cardiff), there wouldn’t be a replay which neither club (nor the fans) want. Furthermore, with it being decided in 90 mins (then straight to penalties) clubs are more likely to play stronger teams as there is increased jeopardy on the game and there wouldn’t be fixture congestion.

[@jakehowie442]

Actually a decent idea, if both teams agree to play at bigger stadium, they should. The only drawback it takes away the jeopardy of playing away a lower league ground with a crappy bobbly pitch

[@dancrooksycamore]

Change it to lowest ranked club decides rather than both having to agree.

[@4211234]

first episode of this where everyone has been fantastic, having a good honest conversation, i like it

[@colmcoakley3916]

The reason ticket prices are going up is because the average premier league player is on a six figure weekly salary and a typical transfer fee is north of 30 million or so. Yet the same fans spend every transfer window screaming at club owners to spend fortunes on new palyers for their clubs and if they don't said owners are accused of mis-running the club or not caring enough about the fans. Can't have it both ways.

[@gregfox4411]

My goodness the Scouse lad speaks well!

[@jonnywalker3208]

The irony 🤣

[@sloppygoo]

His name is Jamie carragher he played for Liverpool

[@rogerdavies2796]

Robbo actually. Keep up.​@@sloppygoo

[@SamboXIV]

Football left the working class when the Premier League was created.

[@anndevries8267]

I really have a lot of time for Paul Scoles. He has been a really good addition. Measured but says what he means and quite frankly he makes a lot of sense.

[@darrenwoolley8433]

It's good to hear from Kieran Maguire great watch.

[@playlist9980]

Thank you. It's a Nolex. You can hardly tell the difference if you don't look hard.

[@mattparkinson8471]

I feel this format is missing some lower league voices. Scholes is trying his best but not all the EFL teams have the backing of the class of 92. Otherwise this is a great watch.

[@ollypatrick4835]

This is what football is and what football means. Everyone here has the utmost empathy and sings from the same hymn sheet. From a financial expert to ex-pros and fans with a media platform. Regardless of our rivalries and tribalism, we can always come together.

[@realitysosubtle2746]

True! Need to come together and BOYCOTT games until change happens!

[@LyndonDykes64]

Cheers Olly. Me nan’s crying reading that.

[@ollypatrick4835]

@@LyndonDykes64 As soft as you wanna call it unfortunately that's what separates us vs the owners trynna fleece us etc

[@ewan7283]

Finally a good episode of one of these

[@Joker66623]

£264 for a family of 4 to watch Manchester United vs. Southampton in the North Stand tier 3. £66 a ticket for any seat and any age.

[@garethshaw5165]

Kieran is a great addition really interesting to hear the financial side of the game.

[@neilrobinson02]

You're not a supporter anymore, you're a customer.

[@j_rock80]

The reason I became fascinated with English football in the early 2000s as an American was the sport itself and the atmosphere of watching the games. I could only get a couple games a week and I had to record them because they aired mid-week in the afternoon. As the global viewership has risen I could tell the change. Seemed more of a franchise feel than a club feel. Now I don't really pay attention to the EPL. When I do catch a match I watch the EFL. To me those matches still have that feeling I remember of when I first started watching the EPL all those years ago. I do realize now that it is partly me and the like to blame for this rise in commercialization of the EPL.

[@tonyshearring7190]

Would be good if all the fans of the 20 premier league clubs and beyond could settle on a date in future, to give everyone plenty of notice, go to the stadiums 2/3 hours early and block all the entrances of each stadium for the duration of the match. Its takes drastic action to get people to listen, although i doubt it will ever happen

[@jacobwatson309]

Last day of the season, all matches played at the same time

[@sidhhantagarwal]

This has to be the best episode so far. Keiran's insight into the numbers behind football is incredible, as a person running of Sports technology company in India I learnt so much from Kiran's take on the runnings of the clubs. In India we are following a top to bottom approach and following the franchise model (similar to the US) in most of the sports, of course the sports market in India is in nascent stage (except cricket), but barring cricket other sports leagues and even the 2 state leagues in Cricket are facing an uphill task of finding long term sustainability. The football pyramid in the UK and other EU countries is by far the best example of how sustainable sports businesses/league structures should be built.

[@adambartlett6277]

What a fantastic episode this is. Brilliant discussion about something very important in the football world

[@SkyThrive]

Adam’s point about the price to PLAY football is bang on. Lack of affordable spaces will lead to a decline in homegrown talent

[@thenegotiator1630]

get alfie from hitc sevens here.

[@sambaker4]

Kieran is a legend 😂

[@splinter360]

Good episode and credit to Overlap for duscussing a seriouse issue.

[@garrywright1543]

Paul Scholes speaks his mind and I love that I feel sorry for the fans 😊😊😊

[@14dollars]

Can we have a new rule - Rory only speaks when asked.

[@matthewjamison]

We can only dream 😂

[@sainsburmcmanus]

and let’s hope he’s never asked

[@EmArgh]

And Adam. Dude doesn't stop chiming in and chirping up

[@JakB1]

Why all the hate on Rory?

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

I'm only 20 odd mins in, he spoke once and it was a very good point

[@robf4157]

Brilliant, glad to see this being spoken about. Tottenham prices are insane. I even pay £50 a year to be a member and still probably not be able to buy a ticket 😅

[@theorgazoid4918]

Regarding the merchandise. The clubs only get a small percentage of shirt sales. Adidas didn’t pay Manchester United 750 million to make their shirts for United to keep all the profits.

[@stephenrowley6360]

The Coates family at Stoke have been incredible for Stoke fans , season ticket prices frozen for the last 17 years, free away travel ,

[@JordanL7028]

Do like in Belgium - if a smaller team gets a home draw, they can offer to sell that to the bigger club. Means clubs get the decision every time and smaller clubs still get the financial boost of a home draw

[@fireblader1000]

Brilliant, best one yet. Have Kieran on every week

[@livinginafantasyworld5164]

Ultimately it’s the player wages that are obscene. If prem league players took a 50% pay cut they would still be very well off and tickets could be the similarly priced to in Germany. Taking loyal match going fans for granted and focusing on tourists will ultimately lead to the demise of the premier league as atmosphere will diminish and people will be priced out and just watch from the sofa

[@jamesmurray2319]

At my team, Nottingham Forest when I was a kid, you were given a free ticket on your seventh birthday with one adult ticket for a parent to take you, both free of charge. We also used to have ‘kids for a quid’ schemes which allowed kids to attend the game for just £1. Neither of these things have existed for the last five plus years

[@alingard1]

Maguire (excellent!) made the point that : People's incomes doubled Football income 30x pre EPL Football transfers 40x pre EPL Players wages 42x pre EPL So. Look at that and you see where the problems are and there's your solution. The players transfers and wages simply can not continue going up. It's mental .

[@veroniqueizac8249]

He says wages x 40 and transfers x 42.

[@rickycurran6409]

“Football without the fans is nothing” Jock Stein .. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@conorcahill5422]

Well, there you have it. All of these losses the 19/20 clubs are experiencing come from the RIDICULOUS figures players are now getting on a weekly basis in clubs all around the country. To think a player like Marcus Rashford is on 350k a week, and he hasn't exactly broken many records in his 7-8 years at Man United speaks volumes. Players across the world only come to the PL purely because they expect to make big figures, otherwise they'd stay either in the previous league they were playing in, or make the move to their home country and play in those leagues domestically.

[@spinningowl9510]

Don't forget Jack Grealish too who's has broken a record for being the most expensive British player at the time and hasn't contributed to a goal in a calendar year!!!

[@pratosaurusrex1128]

There are some clubs that (comparatively) have been more responsible. Liverpool are well known for their tight wage structure. If you take out Salah, VVD and Trent their highest earners are on £150k a week. Given the climate that’s not bad for a team challenging for league titles and champions leagues each year. Tottenham also have a reasonable wage structure for a ‘big 6’ club too. Man Utd, Man City and Arsenal have particularly high wage bills.

[@pfella1878]

Yet it's only everton fc they go after

[@funsoadebowale1509]

Really great insights from Kieran!

[@Psychedelic-Peter]

The white elephant in the room: Players wages.

[@weekendwarriorprospecting817]

I know. Sam Longson would be pulling his hair out. 😂 "£300 a week!! You can't pay a footballer that."

[@garyrolfe7933]

Best episode in ages 👌

[@jakehowie442]

If the Premier League and UEFA capped players salaries to 80k a week and got rid of transfer fees, scummy club owners would have less reason to rinse loyal local fans!!

[@BT_____]

We need these more regularly 👌🏻

[@christianmesserschmidt1021]

I'd say, give 20% of tickets to tourists for at way high price, and then 80% of tickets to the local, cultural fans for a low price.

[@matthewsmith8727]

20% is way to high

[@Xyzfob463]

lol then you will complain that uk economy doesn’t create enough jobs

[@peterharridge8565]

Hold on whose a tourist. And how do I qualify? If for example can't get a ticket because non member. For me no tourists at Premier league clubs as there are no tickets for non members unless the Cup. I will say this only once, there are no spare tickets. You only give to 80%, at the moment it's 100%. or if not certainly 95% because of some rogue sites offering tickets at high prices. So that's less supporters going.

[@bwfcok5789]

Get Kieran on more! knows his stuff

[@Al_o_bri]

Adam spot on about United owners

[@stevedimakis7403]

Best episode, best guest. Superb work 🙏 Hope my view helped with the ad revenue to help pay for more episodes like that 😀

[@an-gw8nx]

The one thing Scottish football does well is giving tickets to schools in disadvantaged areas, my friend is a teacher and Celtic give tickets to several games every year and plenty of other teams do family days with tickets cheap as chips and this obviously works in encouraging people to then buy tickets as they get a little older as Scottish football is the best supported in Europe per capita which is not bad for a wee country.

[@NarinderjitSenth]

What a great debate. Hope the owners listen to this and what loyal supporters think about owners and how they exploit fans

[@jackiedontdie]

I’m feeling a little guilty as an American traveling to England to watch a football match and prepared to pay the fees for the experience. I’d love to show some solidarity…but also, this might be a once in a lifetime trip, so I guess I’ll pay what they charge.😢

[@mightysoc]

brilliant debate, highly respected opinions from proper fans!! AMF!!

[@elladesigns9609]

When I was in primary school about 10 of us won three tickets each to go and see Chelsea play a match. I think things like that where the clubs support local schools will pay off but most clubs are too short sighted to realise that.

[@blacklightsnowglobe]

Loved this episode

[@manyu9]

Gareth Roberts is my speaker!

[@tomwilliams3104]

Great that the overlap brings light to this , there should be one price for general admission and that’s that , corporate tickets charge whatever but for the average hard core fans it has got to be affordable or football in England will regret it in the future

[@MrJaynash]

That finance guy acting like clubs raising ticket prices is reasonable because of rising club costs…the obvious thing to do is reduce player salaries across the board. Why are working class fans having to fund salaries for millionaires when they would still do the same job for 100k a year

[@jakehowie442]

Blame for owners and the Premier League for paying those wages. If the Premier League capped wages to 50k per week, it’d make the game cheaper for fans and make the game more equal competitive

[@hurrayforanonyms]

I think he was just answering the question about whether increased ticket prices can fund a player purchase. And why U.S. owners favour increased ticket prices. But salaries are definitely way more impactful, and increasing ticket prices are often just a penalty the fans pay for poor financial management from clubs.

[@hhandley100]

He isn’t saying it’s reasonable. He’s just giving the reasoning that the owners would give for raising them.

[@romulus3345]

@@jakehowie442 £50k per week and £25k extra win bonus. That would reignite the passion & drive in the players.

[@SASMADBRUV7]

Salary Will lead to other countries not having them and paying the players more, they will inevitably leave.

[@lab7974]

That was the best show yet,Enjoyed it 💯👍

[@waynesmith2576]

Every January for the last 30 years 40 friends and family of us go to Chelsea to celebrate a mates death. We was told by Chelsea that this would be the last year they can accommodate us. Even thought we pay full price for a ticket. Sums it up

[@Fonso369]

more of football finance and Kieran, brilliant ep

[@jisun461]

When Specs said Rory you choose Chelsea as an 7 year old. When in reality he switched from Man Utd to Chelsea around 2004

[@mattk5020]

Really enjoyed this guys, Please invite Lee Judges and Robbie Lyle from ARSENAL FAN'S TV on the show. They are great guys and I think the fans would love to see it. Cheers 🥂

[@alfredthegreat9543]

Ref Ticket prices- The only thing that will work is government legislation that protects the fans. It would actually help the clubs because their biggest cost is salaries- and if ticket prices are regulated players salaries cant be so big- and with everyone in the same boat there would be no real loss. At the same time, if an owner moves a club more than, say 10 miles, they lose all rights to the name of the club- this is to head off any future idea of franchises. Also, fans need a scheme where every club has at least 5% owned by fans, but over the years this slowly increases. Clubs belong to their local fans, owners are only caretakers.

[@drewross8486]

Y'all should give Rory a 10-minute timer. Once it's up, he can't speak anymore. The man answers more questions than Carra and Scholes. Be interesting to see the breakdown of talk times.

[@Mcfc2Rich]

Americans try to Americanise and capitalise everything. No thanks.

[@MattMajcan]

brits try to americanize and capitlize everything too. its so funny how you always try to make this an american problem. americans didnt create the premier league, you did.

[@kieranclayton2566]

​@@MattMajcan Did you miss the whole discussion about 13 clubs being owned by Americans?

[@jspring9588]

Please rephrase that as "|Rich Americans"....Us poor/unwealthy Americans have been seeing this happen to baseball and American football for a few decades now...I hate seeing it happen in England...To some of us we looked to some of your clubs as the last bastion against this...and now its trying to take over the Champions League...makes me sick...its just a toy to them

[@tommacdonald1989]

Well in Gareth. Keep going!

[@TheBurdenOfHope]

I didn’t hear once about the ills of capitalism or a forgotten class consciousness. We need to wake up. Our game is being eroded beneath our feet. We all see the problems and the answers almost exclusively boil down to profits for shareholders. These people simply don’t care about the game - they care about the bottom line.

[@dennisosborne4368]

One of the most interesting ones of these I have seen

[@graemenawn]

Nobody is forcing you to buy the 3rd strip, walk out top or even the home kit. Stop buying and your clubs will need to react

[@Ben-de3hr]

Great upload 👍🏾 very insightful