Who is the BEST Commander of the Gotei 13? Yamamoto x Shunsui Analysis

[@julesandrewsusvilla4657]

Yamamoto is the ideal leader in times of peace and prosperity, but when the tides have turned and war is inevitable, Kyoraku is the leader you need.

[@kazamaverse]

Yeah, that's a good way to describe it.

[@johnnydeep7540]

Lol wtf bro didn’t not watch or read bleach

[@VENG-k1d]

Yamamoto changed

[@ska4666]

Y..Yeah, Who would want to face Yamamoto in Battle anyway 😅

[@t.jaevon]

Well said, he was just going to sit there and let Rukia get executed, knowing the sentence didn't fit the crime. He didn't chase after Aizen, letting him take over hueco mundo. He didn't listen to Myuri about the quincy so his arrogance got himself killed.

[@Only1damien]

Not to mention shunsui lead a group of Quincies, hallows and even the fullbringers . Mid moto could never

[@The_Cholosseum]

I like Shunsui as head commander more than Yama because he does what is truly necessary. Yama let too much go on under his nose, Aizen being the issue. Some ppl mentioned Tokindada plot during Shunsui's reign, but forget that plot started in Yamamoto's reign too. Shunsui even realized that instead of teaching Zaraki how to fight like an actual shinigami, he instructed Retsu to deal with it in their traditions to further train him. The main difference between Shunsui and Yama was Shunsui visited the world of the living and spoke to Ichigo's classmates. Yama would've never done that

[@kazamaverse]

100% agreed.

[@wingzero7678]

I love how at the last point you used Zaraki as an example for the captains that realized something wrong was going on the Soul Society. I don't think he knew a damn thing. In fact, even if he knew about all of Aizen's schemes, I would still bet he would just join the fight so he could have that rematch with Ichigo 😂😂😂

[@kazamaverse]

Honestly? True. At the end of the day he just wanted to fight lmao 😂

[@TheRealMoneyMax]

Yh Kenny definitely didn't have a clue. He just thought F it

[@ska4666]

UnPopular opinion : Kenny might be the Most Loved character in Anime... and most don't realise this..😅

[@ihateithere9298]

He's how you properly create a badass, thats isn't weaker than the MC, and every showongnof him stands out. Hes the real Chad of Bleach. ​@ska4666

[@sh4d0wfl4re]

Honestly, the combat point is way~ closer than people might think. Yamamoto's bankai is an uncontrollable nuke, one that has a time limit to prevent the total destruction of Soul Society. Outside of doomsday events, it just isn't worth using. Shunsui's bankai however... it can control the targets, not catching his play's audience up in the fatal theatrics. Even if it were only a third of Yamamoto's bankai in power, it is vastly more usable. I still give Yama the point, the threat of mutual destruction was properly utilized by the old man... but combat is a far closer point than any of the other four here

[@Scala-ad-caelum]

With how people he cares about die and give him stuff, I can see why Shunsui doesn't care for responsibilities

[@kazamaverse]

Yep.

[@manuelacosta9463]

Yamamoto was the rock that held Gotei 13 together and was the firm traditionalist while Shunsui is the Commander who does what is necessary to ensure both his soldiers and faction survive. Shunsui has also proven to be skilled diplomat and administrator, be it allowing non Shinigami assist or initiating widespread change in his cooperation with reformers in Central 46. This includes programs than never would've happened on Yamamoto's watch.

[@ronjuan8072]

Hey man, been watching since your first videos (if you remember me in the comments lol), I was curious if you're thinking about setting up a discord, I think you're generating a positive image and I think being in a chatroom with viewers that are similarly minded could be quite fun

[@kazamaverse]

Hey, bro! Thanks for the comment!I'm definitely considering something like that, I think having a Disc server would be pretty cool, I'll probably try to create one in the next couple of months, cause right now I'm a bit out of free time to do it.

[@ronjuan8072]

@@kazamaverseAll good haha, it would be fun but there are more important things obviously. School has started for me as well again, good luck with everything!

[@KSubsforBenk]

Yamamoto’s time as head captain, led to many cracks in the System. He didn’t stood up for the Vizards which could have easily led them to have resentment or revenge. He followed every rule from Central 46 which allowed Aizen to played them. And he was too prideful to ask Orihime for help which basically nerfed him because in Bleach losing an arm is like getting weaker; and with 2 arms he could’ve easily beaten Yhwach.

[@kazamaverse]

Yep. He was certainly not the leader he should've been.

[@ltk7707]

Unfortunately we can only base this comparison on what we saw of out of prime Yama. All we're told of his past self suggests a much more pragmatic attitude. We don't know how he faced other crisis in his long tenure, but we know he turned the original Gotei 13 from thugs into a proper military and was also the founder and first teacher of the shinigami academy, preparing the very shinigami that would replace him. While I agree the Yama we got was not up to the challenges of the last couple centuries, his role in shaping Soul Society dwarfs Shunsui's contributions even if he was fundamental against the quincies. So I'd say your points could mean that Shunsui has the potential to surpass Yama, but he doesn't earn the title of best commander until he reforms the Gotei into something signifcantly better than what he inherited.

[@kazamaverse]

I completely understand your perspective. The analysis will inevitably be limited, it's impossible to have a holistic view of both of them as Commanders given the lack of past information about Yama and the future information about Shunsui. I think you understood my perspective pretty well. I think Shunsui has a lot of potential to be better than Yama as a commander, especially considering that, in my opinion, Yama did underperform as commander considering the potential he had thanks to his strength and his competence during the early centuries structuring the Gotei 13.

[@rhozpogi]

Strength wise yamato.

[@p.p.2237]

Nice one Bro, but I just want to point out that scene with Yamaji and Shunsui, when Shunsui sneaked in Yama's room to see the painting of Yamaji using Zanka no Tachi West during the Quincy's first invasion. Even then, Yamaji was holding back from utilizing the full extent of his power...

[@kazamaverse]

@@p.p.2237 Yamamoto was insane in terms of power, his Zanpakuto is my second favorite in Bleach

[@p.p.2237]

@ Yup, and if He would go all out, that would just destroy nearly everything...

[@Blazingzero99]

Hey great vid bro i agree to

[@kazamaverse]

Thanks, mate!

[@adaurysantos]

Very good video 👍

[@kazamaverse]

Thanks, bro! 😁

[@patricknelson1471]

i think Yamamoto was a leader because of his insane power and experience not for his personality

[@j.k.1239]

Yamamoto was op but Shunsui was the better team leader, No doubt.

[@Gal85gal]

Considering that Yamamoto led the Gotei 13 for 2000+ years and Shunsui is like what a month in I don't think the comparison can at all be made. Yamamoto did beat the first quincy invasion and under his watch Aizen was stopped. Shunsui has a W for stopping Yhwach the second time around but that's you know his first crisis let's just see how far can shunsui take this.

[@yuriyuki4747]

Shunsui also had to deal with tokinada soul king plot with hikone in cfyow

[@kazamaverse]

To a degree, I understand the analysis will be limited given the sample size we have with Shunsui as Commander. But more essentially, the core of the comparison is in terms of leadership qualities rather than strictly being the captain of the first division and commander of the Gotei 13. The parameters are very objective and, besides, Shunsui has been in a leadership position for centuries as the captain of the 8th division. The comparison is not perfect, certainly, but saying that it can't be made is definitely not true.

[@MyDeeroc]

Shunsui kyoraku was always setup to be the new leader he went against Yamamoto because he believed in ichigo

[@WackNoir]

@@kazamaverseconsidering we don’t know much about Yamamoto’s earlier rule where was in his prime, the comparison cannot be made entirely. Like it wouldn’t make sense to compare them both unless they were in their prime for leadership imo

[@ihateithere9298]

Id take Yama in battle as leader.

[@realtundragaming]

It would be Yamamoto as he was far more power and lead for over 2,000 years

[@Botchamp]

ur basically saying only strength and experience matters in leadership which isnt true and the whole point of this video is to demonstrate that.

[@realtundragaming]

@ bro just started. Like give me strength experience any day and he has leadership aswell so if you don’t like it kick rocks lol

[@j.k.1239]

He was op but not a good team leader.

[@Schwartzbruder1]

Yama is the leader of old. Shunsui is the commander the Gotei13 will need now and for the future

[@Only1damien]

Mid moto was a horrible leader , just a stubborn weak old man that didn’t do anything but hold everyone back

[@kazamaverse]

"Mid moto" sounds funny af, ngl LMAO 🤣 But yeah, I wouldn't say I dislike him as a character, but I truly don't believe he was a good leader overall.

[@ANIMEBEAST27]

Does this have spoilers for the anime?

[@kazamaverse]

I don't really enter in much detail about things that happened in the manga that haven't been shown in the anime, mate. But if you don't want to take any risks, don't watch it for now while you haven't finished the anime.

[@ANIMEBEAST27]

​@@kazamaverseJust caught up with the rest. Great vid. Thanks brody

[@MyDeeroc]

Could Yamamoto survive shunsui bankai ?

[@kazamaverse]

I think so. The Bankai domain is as powerful as its wielder. Yama was much stronger in terms of raw power than Shunsui. Even the final act of Karamatsu Shinju would probably fail to mortally injure Yama. It's an interesting debate, but highly speculative.

[@j.k.1239]

Yes.Yama flames will burn Shunsui bankai.

[@logandelaharpe6362]

Yamamoto it’s not close

[@stefanocremonini2656]

Yamamoto is shit. He was definetely stronger but he was a bad leader.

[@kazamaverse]

@@stefanocremonini2656 I wouldn’t say he’s shit LMAO But he was not as good of a leader as he should’ve been, for sure

[@johnnydeep7540]

Lol bro built it from the bottom and stood on business wth RU saying it’s not even close

[@somersaultinggiraffe1901]

Yamamoto laid the foundations for the Gotei 13 and modern Soul Society. Shunsui's entire career will never compare to this.

[@johnnydeep7540]

@ thank you lol idk what people are smoking it’s like they watching another show

[@Only1damien]

I agree, I don’t think Yama is stronger either