Who Really Invented the CROOKED GRIND? Not Eric Koston!

[@Skip_Jaymz]

i think you gotta do a video just like "Unorthidox tricks" like shit that might not even have names, i think its be a bigger project so save it to polish it out or whatever but yeah, like that thing people do when they scoop their front foot under the board and it does like a semi varial type flip (i have coined this trick as The Mole Flip) or like pogos stuff like that, i think itd be a cool ongoing type project OR jsut a long video on the matter either way id like that a lot. Another cool video idea would be you taking the special tricks in tony hawks pro skater, and see if oyu can find videos of them actually doing they're tricks. you could even do like a checklist type thing where itd be like "alright so muska and campbell's special tricks match their real life tricks, and like elisa and burnquest dont (just an example) Just some suggestions :) keep up the good work bro

[@RadRatVideo]

+JaymzIsUS great ideas! I like them all. I'll make some notes and see what I can come up with! I thought about the special trick idea before, and I couldn't decide how to do it. As soon as you get to B-Ballin' and Grind and Barf, it won't really work anymore. I'll give it some thought

[@Skip_Jaymz]

coolness :) good luck brah ill be watching

[@feaRLaFrentz]

absolutely love these kind of trick history videos!

[@RadRatVideo]

+bogiebogiebogie thanks! I've got plenty more on the way

[@Lukehedrick90]

The history of the first switch stance tricks would be really cool. I know Salman Agah was one of the first guys to push switch stance skating but would be interesting to see the history more in depth.

[@RadRatVideo]

He was! It's pretty interesting. I'll see if I can come up with anything.

[@centralalley]

Koston's first video part was in Next Generation, alongside Dan Peterka, which makes it extra weird that only Koston's name got attached to it. You're absolutely right-I think Peterka just missed out because he skipped out on pro skateboarding soon after. They were both doing lots of crooked variations in that video, as well as some of the other folks (It really should have been called a "Next Gen" grind or something, because it was a definite theme in that video). Before Next Generation, I think it was usually dismissed as a lazy or style-less nosegrind since most people didn't do them on purpose. I first saw the term "K-grind" in either Thrasher or Big Brother in 1993, in a caption for a crooked grind photo. It said something like "Why do we call it a K-grind? K is for Koston, duh".

[@pizzaenthusiast69420]

Dyrdek swears koston invented the crook

[@zeoalexo]

Speaking of Koston, can you do a video on the fandangle

[@AnklepantsSkateZine]

Great video once again! I can't wait for the next one!

[@RadRatVideo]

+Anklepants Skate Zine thanks! Plenty more on the way.

[@BigSirZebras]

I def remember them being called crooked grinds before K-grinds. I think Koston was on the cover of one of the mags doing one huge one down a big hubba and my friend showed me and said, "they call them Koston or K-grinds now".

[@digits001]

In the trick tip series from the 90s with Eric Koston and Tony Hawk, Koston kind of addresses this. He says something like "some people call it a crooked grind, or a k grind, or a pointer grind" I swear he says something about Josh Beagle teaching him the trick. Unfortunately couldn't find that video on KZbin.

[@ViniAndradeMusic]

so why would the trick been taught as a 'k' grind? crooKed? grind?

[@AlvarezAzel]

I remember asking if you could take a look into Crooked grinds (K-grinds) awhile back, so cool that you noticed my comment and decided to look deeper into it :D I always had a feeling Koston didn't invent it too, glad you shed more light on the matter. Love your videos, keep it up!

[@fakiecaulfield]

loving these kinds of videos! skate history is rad.

[@RadRatVideo]

Thanks! Plenty more on the way.

[@DoughnutCross95]

These videos are great! Very educational. It may not be your area, but a request from my side would be the "Indy grab". Indy grabs are only done backside, as far as I know, yet some people insist that it is possible to do a "frontside Indy grab".

[@bobbymitchell9747]

What would you call an Indy to fakie?

[@GodWarsX]

you should do a video about blunt slides

[@Nominay]

I still say that Speyer put the idea on the map, as well as Hubba Hideout itself. He's more influential than he's given credit for.

[@thefinnishbolshevik2404]

nose slide to crook to nosegrind is a pretty cool looking trick

[@Rkiser0592]

eric koston called them pointers in the 411 trick tip vid from the 90s

[@ronthunders6124]

dude your channel is awesome!!!

[@RadRatVideo]

Thank you!

[@TheApikoros]

Mike Carroll did a noseslide to crook at EMB in Questionable. Probably filmed in '91.

[@nathansyupp1137]

I was determined to learn this trick. Only because I thought it looked good with a kickflip into crooked. I practiced for HOURS. No joke, weeks. Finally got it. Then backside. Backside looked awsome and felt great to show off. I practiced by my self after everyone went home. Got up early at sun up just to try all day. I wouldn't dare try now. Not even on a childs rail lol.

[@NAgeetee]

How about the Bennett grind? I always wondered if Matt was the first or just who made them popular

[@RadRatVideo]

+Kyle K Good question! I'll see what I can find

[@snuff411]

the switch slappy krooked grind in the h street bideo had to be Brian Lotti. you can tell by the way he landed it, just the style and how perfect it looked it was forsure him

[@RadRatVideo]

You're probably right. It's always tough to tell with those old videos. But I'm pretty sure he stepped off immediately after the camera cuts.

[@nobodysreview6137]

Matt Walker does one to noseslide in the Zorlac Video Zero Hero. Thats way before n e body mentioned here.

[@benhaney5843]

I'm sure people were doing fakie and just board backwards crook grinds, slappy style, on curbs as far back as the mid 80s.

[@chivalrous_chevy1163]

Eric Koston is a cool guy, I'm sure that he invented the crooked nosegrind.

[@drumboarder1]

would you be able to make a video talking about Danny Gonzales? I feel like he's really unknown now and his story is pretty unkmown, which is messed up because of what apparently happened

[@RadRatVideo]

What happened? I know who he is but I don't know that story

[@drumboarder1]

I'm going by memory here but I vaguely remember him championing for pros to get enough money to live, not accepting an offer for just him to get paid more, then being black listed by the industry/beaten up by Micky Reyes. www.jenkemmag.com/home/2011/07/20/what-happened-to-danny-gonzalez/ I know Jeremy Wray was black listed for a few years thanks to Phelps too, though I don't remember the story behind that one.

[@ViniAndradeMusic]

Yeah! Danny Gonzalez would be a nice one! I loved that guy, he was at the spotlight and all of a sudden he just disappeared! He used to do crazy and innovative tricks!

[@alejandroraines4700]

do a peterka grind bro!!

[@yamasultani8481]

sick video. maybe try willy grinds? not even sure how to spell it lol

[@RadRatVideo]

I've got a video about them coming out in a few hours!

[@duhfur1212]

There's an old maybe A1 Meats video or something... But it had Oscar Jordan doing a bs nosegrind that he'd shift over to crooks...91 or 92

[@junglist82]

Would like to see a history of freestyle, especially since it seems to be making a comeback these days!

[@RadRatVideo]

I'm going to try to cover that in the future, but it's going to take a while to compile footage, because it started before VHS hit the mainstream, so it's tough to find that stuff. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@dxmanforlife]

this is going to be a great video!

[@dxmanforlife]

very good vid rad rat. crooks my favorite rail trick. can't wait to learn them.

[@RadRatVideo]

+dxmanforlife2000 thanks! I have a trick tip in the Shred School for them that might help.

[@moneymitchwoo]

I neeed to know who invented the bluntslide . I been tryna dig this up all day help me out

[@duhfur1212]

Oscar jordan did a crooked grind in ask old A1 Meats video that predated Dan Peterka even

[@yqqqwn]

review skate 3!!

[@shaun8062]

I'm going to start calling it the P grind and get ready to throw hands at the park.

[@Nominay]

As for that Shackle Me Not trick, that is not something that would've been given a name at the time.

[@NoMe-Arts]

Sure it would.. fakie five O slappy

[@gest667]

Good video! id like to point out though that eric kostons first video part wasn't a year after Dan Peterka's; he had a full-length part in the same video that Dan was featured in, Next Generation!

[@RadRatVideo]

+Ed Fisher haha yeah you caught me. I'm not sure why I said that. I watched his next generation part for this video too!

[@lenk1975]

Didn't koston have a part in next generation?

[@JahLuvPizza]

I tried to send you something on Gmail but the sending failed, could I give you the link instead

[@RadRatVideo]

+Mr. Lakersfan sure you can send a KZbin message or a channel comment too if that works better

[@zenpigeon5944]

Do you have any insight on overcrooks? I've heard that BS overcrooks exist, but not FS. I'm on the side that the trick exists in both variations, but I'm continually told otherwise.

[@RadRatVideo]

I've heard that too.... kind of like Suski grinds. I don't know if there's really an official answer for that one way or another, but the safe thing to say is 'ollie over to crooks'.

[@zenpigeon5944]

Rad Rat Video Interesting. The way I've been corrected is that it's just a nosegrind, which makes no sense to me.

[@ViniAndradeMusic]

I think they call it a fs nosegrind because it's actually easier to lock your trucks 'overcrooking' it. It's even easier to get off the trick as your back truck won't be hittin the ledge or rail if you don't put your weight all over your front leg. So calling it a overcrook looks like you're saying you're doing a harder trick than a nosegrind, but actually it easy isn't. That's why they call it just a simple nosegrind.

[@Leeloo.says.Multipass]

The last 20 years of my life I thought "K-grinds" were crooked 5-0s. Wtf

[@pressureflipin1992]

It was Karl Watson. K grind. Karl grind. Ask him, he will tell you.

[@xavierrivera9130]

Crazy seeing a Karl Watson comment in 2019

[@Youstix71]

er, i have no comment, except thanks for the video brudda

[@pressureflipin1992]

You know...Wade Speyer had the first photo of a trick down hubba hideout, it was a crooked grind in 1987.

[@sludgecased]

well yeah but he clearly was just trying to nosegrind it, but its so high that he couldn't turn enough for it to be straight, the point is he didnt intend for it to be that crooked

[@luisouida3719]

peterka

[@MrSimondaniel3]

wade speyer, No. not a k grind. shackle me not, yes.

[@ph24681]

MAKE LONGER VIDEOS😒

[@RadRatVideo]

+Pkierre Hull I'm not sure how much further in depth I could have gotten with this without it being boring

[@nobodysreview6137]

Nobody invented it, its a nose grind, people just started tweaking em on an angle more and more, its like saying who invented a shifty or something. It was just a steeze think back then and is now known as a krooked grind. Koston def purposly teaked em out like that and Dan Peterka but its all from skating double sided curbs doing noseblunts and noseslides and then grinding. Watch Julien Stranger in A Reason For Living. It all came from that type nose slide and noseblunt and bluntslide shit. I skated back then and doinf bluntslides you would lock a truck in too. This shit is too funny, all skaters did this stuff before it was even in video parts. Trust me