Who's Ahead In The NEW Race To The MOON?

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Join NSF's Adrian Beil as we compare the Moon missions of the US and China to determine who is leading the next space race. Discover the ambitious goals, rockets, capsules, and timelines of both nations' lunar exploration programs. Find out if these programs are truly comparable and explore the potential impact on future space exploration. Watch now to gain insights into the exciting developments in space exploration!
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[@algodoomarbleracing]

What’s next?!?! ExpressPass??? NAHHH THIS IS MESSED UP (not the video)

[@ravenkk4816]

You made a lot of mistake on the moon rocket @NASASpaceflight

[@lawrenceallen8096]

SpaceX will return humans to the moon first. It is inevitable: SpaceX will launch a private mission to the moon. They have to. If they wait for NASA it wont' happen until the 2030s years after China. Just prick the boil: "NASA, we're going ahead on our own. When you're ready to send astronauts to our lander in Lunar Orbit, we'll be happy to provide you a ride."

[@wilhelmruoff1273]

This is the best situation for both countries. A very close race where one can easily fall behind and the other surpass will push both nations to do their best. Good luck to all 🇺🇸🇨🇳

[@hamfan4449]

you do know theres more then 2 space agencies and the russians dont seem that keen to go in to space.

[@prandomable]

​@@hamfan4449Russia, USA, China AND EVEN India is in the race now.

[@Deploracle]

Who will land first? I thought we already answered this question 54 years ago?

[@wikn8r275]

Thank you….

[@adventurewithbrett]

We were not racing China at that time.

[@jtjames79]

So your plan is resting on your laurels. That's a bold move cotton, let's see how it plays out.

[@The81ubb]

This doesn't count

[@Deploracle]

@@The81ubb A dozen men walking around on the moon doesn't count? This is a tough audience. ;)

[@timbermicka]

The real question is who will be building a permanent surface base first ?

[@Wild-Eye]

Exactly 👍🏻

[@VvV-1]

it can be done by HLS because it can take a lot of cargo to the moon. But the starship needs to be completed before.

[@vlhc4642]

China's architecture is a combination of in-situ resource utilization, earth-moon electric cargo tugs and relatively small crew shuttles US architecture is giant chemical rocket for everything.

[@allanrose3661]

The Chinese Moon mission is pretty clever. The small lander launched ahead of the crew on a seperate launcher and finally using the unmanned Long March 9 to deliver large modules, rovers and supplies.

[@Deploracle]

I think they will discover that humans need their home world more than they know. If people are expected to stay on the moon longer than 2 weeks they will need to endure and survive a 2 week period of darkness (and cold) .. unless they can assemble a working shelter before it gets dark. Two weeks of darkness would require lots of energy for life support ... and the whole time there is zero sunlight for solar power. Maybe the Chinese have bitten off more than they can chew this time?

[@J56609]

What is pretty clever is that the Chinese communist party mandates that their citizens steal proprietary secrets from other countries and corporations. The cc P is a totalitarian brutal dictator ship that cares nothing for Western laws. It is shocking in these videos that the host usually never tells about the criminal nature of the Chinese government and make it sound like they’re just a normal country going about its business. Nothing could be further from the truth. The silence is deafening and we are simply whistling past the graveyard.

[@djp1234]

This is the best type of competition. Whoever wins, we all win.

[@535tony]

The next Moon race is not landing on the Moon but making a self sustaining Lunar base and exploiting the Moon.

[@1ndragunawan]

UAE is basically playing for both sides for now, but budget likely will force them to pick the winner.

[@gwbuilder5779]

Everybody is, but most will go with the best proven systems, the rest will definitely settle for whatever they can get. Many companies do business with UAE for the money, but don't trust them at all. Very curious situations.

[@philosopherfrombed]

Lets be realistic (and yes obviously no hate to people of UAE) UAE's space agency is nowhere near close to become even a globally recognized space agency, leave the topic of being space power. They literally don't have ability to make even decent sized satellites completely on their own except some small CubeSats, Their mini moon rover was co-developed with US and Canada and was launched with US rocket. We all can understand that they are trying to impress citizens by showing them how capable UAE's space program is but outside of UAE we all know how capability UAE have.

[@mauricebruns1028]

It shouldn’t matter who is first; just do it collectively and make it successful for longer term - ie having a base stationed there.

[@laurin4405]

Thanks Adrian and NSF Crew.. Great Show🤠🖖🤓

[@TheAnachronist]

Landers are not totally uncharted for China. They’re the only country to have landed robots on the Moon for around half a century and they’ve even done sample return, which is similar in complexity to Apollo-like LOR.

[@engineeredarmy1152]

My winner of the "NEW" space race: USA 🇺🇸 2020s: 🇺🇸 US initiating the Lunar Base build with sophisticated infrastructures like roads and permanent habitats. 🇨🇳 China's manned landing on moon, either at the end of 2020s or at the beginning of 2030s 🇮🇳 India with its lunar rover and sample return missions ---- 2030s 🇺🇸 A well established permanent Lunar Base, which is now a major extraterrestrial human habitat. Gateway ready by this decade. Humans moving to and from Moon similar to Inter-city flight travel on earth. 🇨🇳 Era of appollo like missions from China and perhaps permanent settlement efforts at the end of the decade 🇮🇳 India's first attempt for a manned lunar mission by the end of the decade after mastering manned space missions during the decade.

[@bineetgupta]

Most practical comment

[@JBS319]

India recently signed the Artemis Accords, so it's likely they would fly to Gateway and land using the commercial landers. If not, they would likely land their own lander at the Artemis surface base. It's also possible that an Indian astronaut ends up flying on a future Artemis mission. Keep in mind, if SLS is launching once a year, that leaves opportunities for other participating countries to fly to Gateway.

[@bineetgupta]

@@JBS319 India has its own manned lunar program and will use it's own hardware to get men to the moon in an Apollo styled small scale mission, but unlike China, Artemis and Indian program can go on together with sharing of hardware since India has signed the Artemis program after US gave the proposal. It's always better to have more than one country who could launch people to the moon and gateway, like Russia and US were launching to the ISS, it reduces the burden on just one country. In Artemis program US and India will be the launchers to get people and supplies to gateway and Artemis base.

[@joeycarter8846]

Thank you SO much for this summary of their statuses (stati?).

[@tokenjoy]

Artemis will be far more capable than the proposed Chinese architecture but faces technical and fiscal hurdles that could cause delay. China's unified political structure is also prioritizing a crewed landing in time for the 80th anniversary of the PRC (2029 or before). The 2025/26 timeline for Artemis III is purely aspirational. The time interval from contract to landing of the Apollo LM was 6.5 years. By that standard, Starship-HLS won't land until 2028. Bottom line, America and China are in a de facto race to the Moon Part Deux and it is by no means clear who will win this round.

[@warrenwhite9085]

Bloated, pork driven Federal Agency NASA is government; blazingly, hopelessly, uncaringly incompetent, irresponsibly wasteful. NASA wasted $500 billion & 50 years since Apollo on one dead-end, unaffordable, unsustainable manned space boondoggle after another… Shuttle, Constellation, SLS/Orion. Our only hope is efficient, innovative, spirited private enterprise SpaceX.

[@G777_]

Well said. This is essentially my take as well.

[@nls.135]

I feel that the point about monetary concerns isn’t really a problem when it comes to the FIRST landing. The US doesn’t really have a issue with funding that first landing- it’s the other ones that have to be careful. Artemis 3 hardware is already being assembled. And also the lunar module was created without any previous knowledge or expertise and followed a development that took very cautious steps very slowly. SpaceX has the entire Apollo and Soviet moon program to learn from making development less intensive. Couple this with their break neck pace of iterative development and HLS would at absolute worst take maybe half that time the LM did.

[@vlhc4642]

China isn't aiming for 2029 or 80th anniversary, China's aiming for 2030 because Dec 2030 is the end of the 15th 5-year-plan and Chinese schedules are always based on 5YP schedules. As for the different approaches, China's going with KISS, while US is going with Rube Goldberg, we'll see.

[@postahundredcommentsbutonl4408]

Even if China wins, it will only be second. Where's the competition? Westerners imagined it?

[@corrinastanley125]

Thanks for the head to head comparisons Adrian.

[@wdsjrmd1]

we won the race when i was 19 years old now im 73 years old

[@01_SPACE_C0WB0Y]

I just got a Dawn Dish Soap Ad that had the NSF intro music. I was so confused 🤣.

[@FrenziedMew]

I do think you should add more labelling vids with presenters and others without audio (on-site cam) since I think I've skipped some vids due to not being sure which are which

[@AkaarBains]

Tha intro hits hard dude

[@joey3291]

love this objective illustration!

[@vony7]

Let's meet on the lunar south pole, no matter which side you bet on.

[@simonrmerton]

Weird question. America won the race to the Moon in 1969.

[@mercerwing1458]

And now theres another one.

[@__Tazzzo]

@@mercerwing1458 Why? Lol

[@S1nwar]

thats why "the race" is an appreviation for "the NEW race" as mentioned in 10:11

[@49ccMopedWorld]

They never went to the moon because they cannot get across the Van Allen Belt which is deadly radiation.

[@maskddingo1779]

@@S1nwar Ok. I'll bite. When did "the new race" start? Does the US still get to keep it's ultimate "first to land" title?!

[@SterlingArchimedes]

US, already been there...

[@themoonman-4]

Bravo Adrian!

[@drmosfet]

China doesn't suffer from a 4 to 8 year seizure regarding the direction of it's space program, this is one thing in China favour, also why you should take them seriously.

[@stevevernon1978]

@@hawkdsl Yes, the soviets also had that "advantage." Look how many men on the moon that got them.

[@manofsan]

@7:19 China plans to construct lunar base with *United Arab Emirates* @9:55 Artemis Accords partners include *United Arab Emirates* So is UAE double-dipping? Does China have a mole inside Artemis?

[@TheStormpilgrim]

The Emirates are businesslike. It makes sense for them to put money on both horses. They likely care more about lunar research and resources than they do about whose program gets there first.

[@manofsan]

@@TheStormpilgrim - on both horses? As if they'll get more out of China than out of the combined Artemis membership. I don't think China's going to beat out Artemis.

[@mythicfolfi4652]

Do they have the same theme as Dawn Powerwash

[@davidkillens8143]

In my opinion China has a huge advantage long term. Their leadership is giving full support. That means no interference from other government agencies to slow them down, money and technical support will not be a problem, and VERY important, China is willing to risk lives to reach this goal. If Artemis suffers any astronaut fatalities, it could set the program back ten years. With China it would be .. "next".

[@gwbuilder5779]

Only if they can steal their way to the top. They are very good at re-engineering other people's ideas, but not the most creative on their own. I will admit that they are learning to allow some of the younger people bring in fresh ideas, but it's still China and the entire government machine.

[@generalflix]

The US does not have to prove anything though. Along the very strong private sector I really do not see less support for space faring activities in the US. The estimated markets are INSANLY large, and the US is home to the best tech. China might be second, although ISRO could very well steal both the US's and Chinas thunder by undercutting launch costs.

[@gwbuilder5779]

@@generalflix It might be possible, but with the intensity and determination Musk has, I think it's unlikely because he is literally throwing billions of dollars into creating the most efficient means of travel and at least for now, willing to push as far as it takes. Most people think what he is doing with starship is stupid and wasteful, but in reality, the advancements gain by his methods are so far beyond peoples comprehension. How many peopl commented that the last starship launch was a complete failure. Except the whole thing was intentionally planned and designed for failure and success at the same time. Elon said during launch preparations that he had a 50/50 expectation for success and safeties were in place for all contingencies. Of course those looking for the negative were quick to criticize until they realized the protocols were written several months before and updated right up to the moment of unscheduled disassembly. They monitored every aspect of the launch to gather every possible bit of data until it was deemed too dangerous to continue. That is commitment to the project. When you know it it failing catastrophically and you are watching every detail about those failures and what failed, how, when, what caused it, and you analyze it to exhaustion then you pass that information off to other team members to do the same thing until no-one sees anything new. That's dedication that nobody else even comes close to. Good enough seems to be the model for most.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

That is also China’s major risk - political winds could easily shift there and along with it the funding for rockets

[@anthonypelchat]

If the moon landings were only focused around the governments of each nation, then I would give it to China. The US govt has no push right now. But the US has a huge advantage with the private sector, mostly in the form of SpaceX. Other private companies may also provide a push separate from SpaceX that would increase the likelihood of the US to land again before China.

[@AKjohndoe]

First isn't important. I'm sure there are dozens of welders in every city faster than I am. What is important is quality of effort, and longevity of work done. I.e. quality over speed any day.

[@silverflux7698]

What would be better... would be to get over your differences! And go together ! The ISS has been an example of scientists/ astronauts from both the US and Russia working together... regardless of governmental tensions. And achieving more together, than apart.

[@joachimboensch3934]

One should think we have learned that much from Putin. I think we have. Don't trust, don't cooperate with murderous lunatics.

[@BenjySparky]

NSF y'all rock! Peace

[@bobbyvee9950]

As memory serves me this was already done on July 20, 1969.

[@劉天恆]

Yes America managed to land on the moon 50 years ago on a Hollywood set lol!

[@victormartins1450]

Weel, if we talk about duration in long time, it`s look like use company to help is better than just the government alone.

[@revtoyota]

The US won this race over 50 years ago.

[@youeffoh808]

Should be no problem to do it first again then…right..?

[@rkr9861]

'won' requires persistence. Just because my uncle won the olympics in 1972 doesn't mean he can compete at an olympic level today, and that's what this is about. If you lose the capability, it's like you've never gone at all.

[@logic-ally]

​@@rkr9861they've been there 6 times. So not a question of persistence

[@p-j-y-d]

The race for the base? ;)

[@charlesaugust8671]

The US has placed manned crews on the moon 6 times. China may, or may not, put the 7th crew there before the US does.

[@lanatsif]

I guess if China do an Apollo equivalent in a few years, then their starship equivalent will appear around 2080 lmao

[@TheStopwatchGod]

They are already working on a Starship equivalent. It's called the Long March 9, and should be flying in about 10 years

[@lanatsif]

@@TheStopwatchGod Bruh they have nothing but some vague plans that are litteral copies of the current starship silhouette, which means they just haven't gone past the planning stage with this, which makes a 10 years delay unreachable with their current method of proceeding. Developping starship this quick is costing a huuuuge amount and they'll never take these kind of risks before they can imitate an existing model. So imo 6-10 years starting from when starship houses humans for the first time seems like a more realistic date.

[@ericliume]

@@lanatsif Don't embarrass yourself. Could you just simply do a quick search? China has tested 500T LOX/Kerosene engine, 120T LOX/Kerosene engine and 200T LOX/Methane engine in the past couple of years.

[@lanatsif]

@@ericliume Do you even understand what we were talking about? Cause it doesnt look like it

[@postahundredcommentsbutonl4408]

You are an embarrassment. No matter from any angle, China is the country that walks the talk. When did you hear that China arbitrarily delayed its own plans? China's Long March series rockets are the rockets with the highest success rate in the world. All of China's manned spaceflights have been successful. The success rate of deep space exploration: 34% for the Soviet Union, 78% for the United States, and 100% for China. The first country where humans landed on the far side of the moon: China. The first human country to successfully launch a methane rocket: China.

[@user-a6m2]

The main question is not who would do it first, but "why?". I mean, whoever could make it profitable in either economic or science terms - would win. You can win the race, but the question is could you sustain it? So actually, it's not a race, but a marathon. Otherwise it would end up just as Appolo where it was just a political goals claimed... and, well, achieved. And after achieving flag-pinning, program closed.

[@johnhunter3011]

Us has been to the in 1969, china has not. Us flew manned space shuttles, china has not!. US is over 50 years advanced over china. DU

[@kazioo2]

US' space program started degrading really badly over the decades. First its manned flight range was reduced from the moon to the LEO, because of Shuttle, then it was cancelled completely. But then an immigrant from Africa saved US from a disgrace of begging Putin to launch astronauts to ISS during the proxy war in Ukraine. So saying that China is 50 years behind makes no sense. Both countries now get their crews to LEO and that's it. US is more like 10-15 years ahead thanks to impressive reusability of Falcon 9.

[@RasakBlood]

The key here is that they USED to do that. The shuttles do not exist anymore. The rocket that they went to the moon with do not exist anymore. Mindless nationalistic bravado wont save you from the cold hard truth of reality.

[@stevevernon1978]

@@godintheglass MR-4 only had a man on it. GT-3 only had men on it. Apollo 7 only had men on it. Apollo 11 only had men on it. Skylab only had men on it. STS -1 only had men on it. Manned Space Program.

[@RichardMelanson-xi3kq]

I like the topic, also, I received the starship oft pillows, and they make my electric cart real comfy to ride in, since walking leaves out of breath. Rickm.

[@sdcowboy85]

Uhhh...the US already was first, decades go

[@matthewwiemken7293]

Not a race about who can get to the moon, (USA already did that). This race is about who can build a presence on the moon:)

[@Astro_Ptolemy]

SPACE RACE SPACE RACE!

[@slimj091]

Space race war?

[@snowvon7160]

Chinas like that younger cousin that fallows you around that says and does everything like you just not as good bc they think your super cool 😂

[@millymalasusa3054]

This is not even a race,.. Every country has it's own timeline. What kind of a race is that? Why do we always have to apply cold war mentalities in these issues.

[@cometochristtoday]

Did i miss something? Have they solved the Van Allen belts?

[@NASASpaceflight]

Yeah, back in the 60s. Wasn't a problem. -Das

[@controllerplayer1720]

😅

[@andrewc662]

I don't really see it as much of a battle if Starship works. They will be able to send payload up for a fraction of the cost. Even beyond cost, the frequency at which Starship could launch would be unmatchable.

[@angryfilmgamer570]

US has the biggest advantage over China. Which leads me to believe they will be the first to reach their goals. Whereas China, the benefit they have is the government is all about face, like this is where small towns are affected by rocket debris. They don't care how they do something, they just keep doing it till they can say they've done it. Which is similar to how it was during the Soviet Union.

[@WangGanChang]

I find it funny that people would consider this to be a race when China always planned land a years after the US returns to the moon. Back in the days of Constellation program when the US is expected to turn before 2020, China planned to land around the 2023 to 2025 timeframe with 3 shots of CZ-5DY (CZ-5 with 8 boosters instead of 4) and 1 shot of CZ-2F for personnel transfer. However, once Constellation is cancelled, China either cancelled their program as well, or it got reconfigured to its current form. Since artemis aims for 2025 landing, it is no coincidence that China ains once again to be a few years later at 2030. It would not surprise me that even if Artemis slips, China will slip its own program as well rather than pushing along. That said, the real deadline for the Chinese space program is the 100 AU at 2049 program. For that, you have a real launch window in order to make it in time, especially if current probe proposal got picked with its 10kW nuclear reactor.

[@Kenneth_James]

I could swear we won 50 years ago

[@劉天恆]

Yes America managed to land on the moon 50 years ago on a Hollywood set lol!

[@angelarce832]

Spacex will win

[@maskddingo1779]

Oh my! You guy's aren't "Apollo moon landing was faked!" people, are you? 😂 US won more than a half century ago!

[@gwbuilder5779]

Whadayamean.... I thought the earth was flat so deliveries were easier.😂🤣😂🤪

[@maskddingo1779]

@@gwbuilder5779 Maybe the race resets after 50 years? IDK!? I need answers!!!😠

[@maxv9464]

We all get that. This video is talking about the return to the moon.

[@maskddingo1779]

@@maxv9464 Dang. Maybe the title should reflect that. Still, China hasn't been to the moon yet, so they can't very well "return" until they go once.

[@stevevernon1978]

@@maxv9464 China can't "return" to the moon. They have never been there.

[@marthajohnson2775]

What matters is what is done after the arrival, for how long and how well. Anything done too quickly is subject to failure.

[@carlwest859]

The real race is who will be the first person on earth washing Mars dust out of their spacesuit.

[@bineetgupta]

​@@carlwest859that would be Elon Musk

[@MichaelAConnolly]

Comparing apples with oranges! I think the conversation should be who will open a permanently manned moon base like a ISS on the surface. That would seem to be the key next step from here. Sure we have and can land “campers” on the moon for a few days and take pictures, but when do we “live” on the moon.

[@MichaelAConnolly]

And I think a detailed overview of the details of the moon base is a worthwhile video with more facts than thoughts. In terms of designs that must be in progress or even chosen by now.👍

[@fgeiger41]

China has to deal with its collapsing economy as well. Their space program can't be doing it any favors.

[@berkiaskyclan2948]

For all mankind: The remake

[@searchingforaway8494]

I thought we already went to the moon? First!!! ?

[@andrewrutley]

If we can get past the firmament

[@shazibrahim7208]

That's the easy part. It doesn't exist. How do I know that? Cause we have done it multiple times.

[@RasakBlood]

I would just add that if starship works SLS do not really matter in any way and can be swiftly replaced by starship.

[@steveaustin2686]

Not necessarily. Per page 27 of the GAO report and Musk's update of 150 tons for Starship, it will take up to 10 flights to get HLS Starship to the Moon. Per SpaceX's plan for the Artemis III cadence, that is 1 Starship variant every 12 days (GAO pg 10). At that cadence, SpaceX can't turn around in time to launch a crew Starship before the loiter period for HLS Starship runs out in lunar orbit (100 days NASA HLS Option A Source Selection Statement pg 9). So SLS will be needed for the early Artemis missions until Starship can mature to a faster launch cadence.

[@RasakBlood]

@@steveaustin2686 Thats assuming no change in the loiter period or spacex launch capability. But sure. Swiftly is perhaps going to far. How about in less time then it takes to build another SLS rocket?

[@steveaustin2686]

@@RasakBlood The SLS for Artemis II is already under construction and some of the components of the Artemis III SLS are under construction as well. So that won't work either.

[@Aravail]

China is very wise to be doing distributed launch. Noteworthy that their lunar capsule is going to be launched on a vehicle roughly as powerful as a Falcon Heavy

[@nathanforrester5140]

IMO if starship works SLS will be retired.

[@stevevernon1978]

back when Elon first got this NASA plan to include Starship and HLS, i said that SLS will be launched no more than 5 times. I stand by it.

[@kmstanev]

The question is if China will manage to land also a booster back on earth 🌎

[@NTZL-s8k]

中国已经把月球土壤带回地球，把人送回地球应该也可以

[@kmstanev]

​​@@NTZL-s8kI know all this and it's a great achievement. What I meant was to land the booster, rocket first stage for reuse

[@SteenLarsen]

A key to the long-term success of the Artemis programme is that they drop SLS. Because the high cost of SLS is not sustainable.

[@okman9684]

Why Chinese rockets look so similar to the US ones Coincidence?

[@gs1246]

The output of NASA and China in the space exploration is pathetic when the cost of their programs are considered. This rate of expenditure for a low return on investment will finally bite their capability development deep into the space.

[@logic-ally]

US has been there before. So no race here. Someone is just catching up, period

[@DPodDolphin]

Exactly - they went there over 5 decades ago. And the US doesn't (at the moment) have the capability to go back. The real winner is who gets there and stays. Which nobody has ever done. Period.

[@dr4d1s]

Great comparison Adrian and NSF Team! Thank you so much for the hardware development comparison. I think the biggest issue for China is their economic woes they are currently facing. If the money isn't coming from the government how are they going to accomplish all this? If they are having issues with funding are they just going to be stuck in LEO, pouring money into their shiny new space station; much like what happened to the US? It will definitely be interesting to sit back and watch how everything unfolds.

[@banerda2334]

Sorry to tell you that CNSA has 1/10 the fundings of NASA and still finished Mars Landing. Also, about the economic thing, just a quick fact that China has far better industry powers than that of US.

[@stlwrx]

@@banerda2334 and yet they reign power and control over their people treating them like absolute trash. I mean they have suicide jump nets on factory walls outside for gods sake! The people of China are lovely but their government is almost as bad as North Korea....

[@billsimpson604]

Sad to admit, my money is on China because they have no budget. They will spend whatever it takes to accomplish their goal as fast as they can.

[@derekwampum8861]

You think China is the USSR？

[@hectorfuji]

USA got the W like years ago…

[@earlpettey]

Now imagine if both countries could actually cooperate instead of acting like petulant little children each trying to one up and sabotage the other. Humanity would have been permanently on the moon decades ago.

[@shkunwen]

No, China never said it would challenge the United States on the moon landing, nor did it say it would win the United States. Americans already won in 1969

[@MoonMorningstar]

US

[@Valery0p5]

I think the real race is between privates

[@anthonyd.8067]

The US only because of Spacex.

[@maxv9464]

I like starship too, but we're ahead with or without it.

[@LunicLynx]

Without watching the Video: Not Blue Origin 😁

[@gwbuilder5779]

Why do you say things like that? Someone is going to be offended.😂🤣😂🤣

[@chrishill5511]

The race to the moon is over. The US has been there six times. The idea that if some other country wants to land on the moon too the US has to race to get there before them is absurd.

[@JohanMsWorld]

Hard to say given how little we/I know off the state of Chinese moon program. It is also worth recalling that the HLS element is dependent on both technologies (such as in orbit refueling) and rockets (Starship) that is at experimental and prototype phase at best. So we dont even know if fueling in space is possible with todays technology yet. That is in additon to all the other things mentioned in the video. With that said - Does it really has to be a space race for it to happen? Cant US and China cooperate like US and Kreml did and still does with ISS? One might argue that a race picks up the pace in space development but a co operation could bring boots on the moon or even mars much faster and cheaper. Maybe. J.

[@derekwampum8861]

As long as you can understand Chinese, you will find that the CNSA is much more transparent than you think. Why would CNSA publish details in English？

[@stevevernon1978]

It doesn't take two Rockets, or two landers, or two capsules, or even two systems to have a "Race". It only takes someone saying, WE ARE BEHIND and WE SHOULD GET THERE FIRST. Back in 69, Russia had someone who said "damn, we didn't get there first. We had better deny we were EVER IN A RACE"

[@grabir01]

Who is ahead in the race to the moon? What? USA was there back in 1969 dipsht!

[@juriteller3688]

These comments will be great. Propaganda and blind patriotism at its finest.

[@sgwilcox]

It all depends on two things: The SpaceX Starship and trade sanctions against China. If Starship is successful any time soon, the race is over. Yet even if Starship is delayed, current trade sanctions against China could severely restrict their space program. The US is currently blocking high end chips because of their military applications and this could seriously affect China's space program. If you've only got so many high end chips to go around, they tend to go into fighter planes, not space ships.

[@maxv9464]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't space computer systems usually years (if not decades) behind due to radiation protection needs? I really don't see that ending the defining factor in China losing this race. I don't think they'll win, but I put that down to starship and the simple fact that the US is so far ahead already in other ways, not trade sanctions.

[@gwbuilder5779]

Apparently no-one seems to realize that Dragon is fully capable of landing on the moon and returning multiple times a week, but that is not their goal or purpose. The unmanned cargo flights that supply the ISS, which also are fully autonomous, are also fully capable of landing on the moon and returning multiple times a week, but what for. Every day SpaceX is launching commercial cargo into outer space for profit while everyone else is paying them to do it. It's pretty hard to catch the leader when you are paying him to do your work for you.

[@anthonypelchat]

@@012345678944107 High-end chips usually come from Taiwan, not China.

[@gwbuilder5779]

@@012345678944107 Actually there are 2 or 3 companies making chips in the US now after China stopped production in the automotive market trying to blackmail the industry. The start-up is slow, but the ability is enormous. We can definitely do it when we actually want to.

[@yucao6742]

@@anthonypelchat Taiwan is a PART of China

[@jorgesolis7891]

Not a chanc this time. How ever, is gonna have better and more productive results....

[@jameswilson5165]

While China can just say to its people, "Go do This." One of the larger challenges for the Artemis Accords team will be providing Industry a Reason to invest in the moon. Just going and then saying, "See, we beat you again." Isn't going to cut it this time. There is no reason to settle the Moon without an ROI bottom line.

[@vedymin1]

US won couse they already did it...hyhy ...Allegedly... xD jkjk pls don't shoot your guns, i know you have plenty ;)

[@BIGBaNANaBender]

A fact is a fact and if we as humans went to the moon then surely without any doubt 😂😅🎉we would have gone back to celebrate the 50th anniversary 😁🎈

[@lawrenceallen8096]

SpaceX will return humans to the moon first. It is inevitable: SpaceX will launch a private mission to the moon. They have to. If they wait for NASA it wont' happen until the 2030s years after China. Just prick the boil: "NASA, we're going ahead on our own. When you're ready to send astronauts to our lander in Lunar Orbit, we'll be happy to provide you a ride."

[@marklipsinic7916]

Hate to break it to you mate, but America already landed on the Moon 54 years ago.

[@justindelong249]

Hmm. I vonder who will ren. Just kidding.... It'll be SpaceX!!!

[@polishkerbal6920]

NASA*

[@VanquishedAgain]

No way. We fail at everything now. We have a husk for a president and a fossil as the head of nasa.

[@serpentphoenix]

7:27 Pakistan... AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[@bineetgupta]

Why just beg on Earth ? Now they will beg on Moon 😂 and start terrorism there as well

[@ramosel]

It doesn't matter, they're both just shooting for 2nd place... 3rd if you count the Lunokhod.

[@stevevernon1978]

if you're already first , you can't also be second.

[@stevevernon1978]

" 3rd if you count the Lunokhod." You mean 3rd if you count Luna 9

[@tacitidesong]

As with anything Chinese-made, whatever they cook up is doomed to fail. There's a reason why anyone who actually understands China's capabilities laughs at people who talk about Chinese military might or infrastructure development.

[@saxus]

Sorry, but that Chinese space capsule is not even closely relates to Dragon, it's much more like the Russian Orel spacecraft.

[@DPodDolphin]

Adrian said early renders of the capsule resembled dragon. On screen at that time is a capsule that resembles dragon. So idk what video you watched.

[@WangGanChang]

​​@@DPodDolphinven the original version is not close to dragon at all, since it size is nearly twice as large as the dragon. The Chinese return capsule is benchmarked against Orion during the original Constellation program, and it's service module is developed from Shengzhou. It is originally tested on the CZ5B-Y1 test flight in 2020 and you can find plenty of pictures. It looks like the dragon because it was tested without the launch escape system so it has a round nose instead of a flat one that would be connected to a LES rocket.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

The United Arab Emirates will win. They are apparently betting on both horses. 🧕👩‍🚀

[@fastamx069box8]

Elon can do it all and just might do so...! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@hahnwind319]

India！

[@jaydonbooth4042]

Nationalism is silly. We should just do it together and we can all benefit.

[@FreeRadicalX]

I really tire of this country-vs-country space exploration framing. I really tire of the idea that humans can't do cool shit in space unless they're pitted against each other into a tribal competition. It demands this self-deprecated, misanthropic, undignified, common denominator vision of what humanity is, and what it can be. I'm sorry, but I can't believe that humanity will ever explore the stars if I'm boxed in to believing that's what humanity really is. And insisting on framing space advancements as a nationalistic, diametric ideological proxy war distracts away from the actual science and technology, bringing out the worst jingoistic, racist, divisive debates in venues that do not and cannot have space for both that and discovery. If we must ask "Who wins" then the answer will always be "Nobody, everybody loses".

[@artysanmobile]

I am literally ashamed of my nation for taking part in this disgracefully wasteful game.

[@selestine3140]

Well it's not about who will land first.... It's about who will get their first and occupy more land more land means more resources more resources means more power and the one who will get there first will be planning to stay there the country which manages to get there first will get their own gateway to mars and occupy more land and establish their footprint on mars too and new resources there will establish said country's superiorioty. China understands that and plans to push more money for their space programs

[@adam3496]

crazy how everything china puts out looks awfully similar to designs created by US or Russian companies

[@stevevernon1978]

they are still launching their men into space in Soyuz capsules

[@zerofox9900]

Much clickbait. Such bleh.

[@jikemenkins7098]

Why not just travel to the moon in starship? Why not just take 2 starships to the moon? One specifically configured for lunar landing and ascent, and one configured for the trip to and from.

[@stevevernon1978]

Well, that would be a SpaceX program, and SpaceX wants it's program to be the one to go to Mars. This NASA program (Artemis) already has SLS (and its faults) and Orion (and its faults) and NASA wants to use those to go to the Moon, they contracted with SpaceX for the HLS to put NASA astronauts back on the Moon. almost had to twist Elon's arm behind his back to get him to look at ANYTHING closer than Mars.

[@larryz667]

only up speed run😂