Who Should REALLY Be In The Masters 8? | Pokemon Journeys Anime Discussion

[@oresti9271]

Ash litterary sweeped Wallace offscreen in Pokemon journeys and he even called his battle with him "training" lol so I rather have Steven in masters 8 rather than Wallace

[@melvondrewhite2674]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@vanessasandoval96]

Actually I like Steven better than Wallace Steven > Wallace if Wallace is a gym leader not a champion

[@SpiritedFalcon]

Yes

[@douglas6627]

Agree

[@gearzofwar123]

He’s always saying some weird things that never make sense lol, I’ve stopped listening to his crackpot opinions. He also thinks Leon shouldn’t be number 1 when the season revolves around Leon being the super champ? Ridiculous. Also, saying Iris didn’t defeat Alder? Of course she did, that’s how she got her spot. I don’t think Iris deserves to be there, but saying she didn’t beat Alder is stupid. Saying Wallace is interchangeable with Steven is hilarious at best, and Ash mopped the floor with him off screen, something he’s not gonna do with Steven. And then wanting KAREN to be in the top 8? When she has no credible anime showings?! He’s on the drugs

[@jacobreichert6239]

I’m not vibing with the Diantha disrespect. Were X&Y notoriously easy games? Yes. But Diantha is still Kalos’ champion. To me this shows that the champions in anime canon are the definitive strongest trainers in the region, even stronger than post game bosses like frontier brains. The only one I think could be replaced is switching out Alain with Wallace, and that’s only because Hoen has always shown a balance between land and sea which is symbolized in its duel champions of Wallace( sea) and Steven(land)

[@mr.creeper6484]

7.8 too much water

[@jeremypierreakajproject6750]

Agree how to The fuck diantha got to be a strong champion were the proof

[@soda7578]

@@jeremypierreakajproject6750 doesn't always need to be proof of how they got champion... its literally set in stone she is the champion, Alain is the only one there who isn't a champion

[@perritoshido5845]

@@jeremypierreakajproject6750 Diantha has defeated Ash Pikachu, and some mega evolutions in tournaments, battled the Kalos elite 4, as well as aiding in the Zygarde crisis It’s your own fault if you don’t watch the anime

[@faizaanahmad7441]

@@jeremypierreakajproject6750 She just defeated Lance lmfao. Here’s your proof

[@calebe4266]

I could argue that mustard and alder are too old for traveling all the time and decided to retire. I mean, if you took the games as an example, mostard was literally retired, he decided to run a dojo, a place where he teaches other trainers instead of battling all the time. And alder, in the games, wasn't exactly having much fun as he already had since his pokepartner died so, whem iris defeated him, he was actually happy by this, and could retire knowing someone just as strong as him took his place

[@ShayTheValiant]

*Mustard

[@KenKen-bq1vm]

And Alder is also running his own dojo in unova

[@jonahdengler3858]

I agree with the Mustard part.

[@futuredirector23]

mustard retired because he was asked to throw a match or was he asked to win a rigged match? i cant remember but its on one of his trainer cards, so leon likely got to number 1 by winning rigged matches

[@johanroyce6324]

@@jonahdengler3858 You know what would have been cool, if his wife Honey was in the masters 8 as she is the final challenger in the dlc

[@efebs4978]

Why would Diantha not be in the Masters 8? She's also a champion and her being easy in the games doesn't mean she's weak in the anime.

[@aetherialbeing4223]

@TwinkerDoodle that logic is awful. Steven and Cynthia (who is shown to be a powerhouse through multiple series) also have their own life’s outside of battling

[@aetherialbeing4223]

@TwinkerDoodle that doesn’t go against anything I’ve said lol, they’re all powerful trainers who have life’s outside of battling.

[@ZiddWho]

This Totally Aged Well.

[@efebs4978]

@@ZiddWho They did her dirty😭 Lance vs Diantha was a way better battle, not because she won, but because it was an even and exciting battle.

[@legendarytrainer5312]

​@@sageedits3165So...Steven explores fossils and runs an entire company , Cynthia explores legends, myths, and ruin. Just because they chapions doesn't mean they can't have a side job. You could argue steven and Cynthia should be doing their jobs too. Acting can freaking wait, it's not that important especially if she says no to a movie

[@dash3lee]

I mean this entire list is just completely biased and he doesn’t take into account that the master 8 are comprised of THE STRONGEST trainers, not the ones who have potential to become one of the strongest or the ones who used to be the strongest. There’s a reason why some of the mentors of the strongest trainers, like Mustard and Alder, are not in the masters and that’s because Leon and Iris both have surpassed their mentors and previous champions. So saying that someone else should be replaced in this current Masters 8 are only just biased remarks.

[@wraith6233]

Except for Alain.. tbh sure he had his whole journey and everything, but like he still lost to Diantha. I really think it’s just fan service/bias that Alain was chosen, because there’s really not much real showing that he’s stronger than all these other trainers of other regions.

[@jahyy3473]

unsub*

[@Tunasub29]

He’s just making a video for clout

[@theblaze2294]

it is completely stupid to talk about Diantha like that. She's probably one of the ONLY ones that SHOULD be justified at that place. Dude's only logic was complaining about xy's difficulty as a game OVERALL which has NOTHING to with the anime. Then he brings up alain as the replacement, Dianthia LITERALLY is the champion of Kalos, and has shown MANY occasions to be leagues above ash/alain. I much as I love Alain, he should be the one hard to justify instead of Diantha.

[@chauci14]

All his choices are based on the games. From the anime there are good choices like Brandon, Tobias or Drake. In the case for Kanto, Brandon can be a candidate since he's the head of Battle Frontier of the Kanto Region.

[@danielhamoy6256]

The masters 8 is honestly perfect the way it is. It would be so weird to have the eight strongest trainers in the world NOT be the league champions of each region. Having Alder and Wallace there would be a total upset plot-wise, and not having the reigning champion of Kalos but having the Lumiose conference winner there wouldn’t make a lot of sense.

[@conservativedestroyer4056]

Exactly it’s perfect

[@georgesantiago1101]

Except for Alain, they should have introduced the Champion of the new game or have Brandon or Karen.

[@danielhamoy6256]

@@georgesantiago1101 Would be weird to introduce a new character that would spoil one of the biggest plot points of a highly anticipated and unreleased game. Honestly, I'd be fine with any other character to replace Alain as long as they were a League champion or conference winner.

[@zekethewise7042]

So no Tobias with his darkari and latios

[@minisarge2619]

@@georgesantiago1101 I say Brandon or Tobaias honestly. Ideally it'd be red or something.

[@syedhasanaskariabidi801]

This list was EXTREMELY biased lmao. U're ok to have 2 Galar Representatives but are saying that adding 2 Kalos ones is Wrong. Not to mention, u're scaling Diantha off of Games. In the Anime, she is a Pretty strong trainer so calling her weak is BS. Also, it makes sense to have the Running Champions instead of the formers since the Masters 8 comprises of the Strongest Trainers of each region.

[@TKnHappyNess]

I don't get Mystic's logic. He doesn't want 2 Kalos representatives like Alain and Diantha, but is okay with having 2 Galar representatives like Leon and Mustard. Although Mustard's wife Honey would be more of a surprise to be in the Masters 8

[@curtislevere7282]

He's dry on content for his dying channel so he's just half assing ideas lol

[@johanroyce6324]

That's what I wanted too, not to mention that Honey is on par with her husband.

[@nextin_dabuilding2908]

@@curtislevere7282 damn

[@ajye8935]

Might as well trade Diantha or Alain with Tobias. A real powerhouse. Leon would sht his pants, Ash would snap and would call out all his strong pokemon.

[@andrewengelman3544]

@@johanroyce6324 She is? I don't remember her ever battling

[@jamiechesnut6110]

To me Alder and Mustard don't need to be there. They're both retired and their pupils are in this tournament. So their legacies live on through Leon and Iris.

[@SpiritedFalcon]

Iris isn't a pupil

[@daanian7954]

Iris was a student of Drayden

[@SpiritedFalcon]

@@daanian7954 yes

[@thanos6635]

@@SpiritedFalcon Yes and Iris is representing Unova, Alder home region which makes Iris his pupil

[@johnroberts524]

@@thanos6635 Iris was Drayden’s pupil not Alder’s. Still representing Unova but by definition his successor not his pupil

[@aswinpsivan7525]

Replacing Steven with Wallace is no go in anime Wallace kind a sucks in other hand Steven's metagros go toe to toe with primal groudon

[@SpiritedFalcon]

Wallace said that he was relative to Steven, in power. He was also the champion of Hoenn, temporarily.

[@Kami_og_op]

Wallace was beaten by Steven in Sinnoh although he could've gotten stronger I highly doubt that

[@scarletrose8766]

​@@SpiritedFalconand ash beat him like he dint even struggle with the man like he did against Steven.

[@EZ95]

I gotta disagree heavily. The participants they have now are perfect. Your picks would make more sense if this wasn't a tournament full champions, you wanna add beaten champions, elite Four members, gym leaders. Diathia was never beaten by Alain so she needs to be there to represent Kalos. Adding Mustard would be so random, we don't need wisdom we need champions at their peak. Alder gets wrecked if Iris sets up stealth rock so no I don't wanna see Alder, again peak champions plus Alder's character was more annoying than Iris. Wallace has never been better than Steven, there is a reason why he got dunked on and demoted to gym leader.. Not even elite 4. Nice video, if it was to make me say out loud "wtf" then congrats. 👏👍

[@LeneAlexandraa]

He was just looking for a new topic for a vid mate. I’m sure he actually doesn’t think this

[@martindenton130]

True , but for content purposes it’s okay 👍

[@melvondrewhite2674]

FACTS 💯 , You Also Forgot To Mention That He’s A Hater Too !

[@vaporterra]

He keeps using Games Diantha to talk crap about anime Diantha

[@melvondrewhite2674]

@@vaporterra & It Just Makes Him Sound Stupid .

[@Kawhi3527]

bruh if wallace is up in the 8 and not Steven. Imagine how many complaints they will receive.

[@leafiatheneko]

So many people would not be happy with that

[@ElectroPikachu]

We already got complaints for the episode Wallace appeared in

[@jonahdengler3858]

@@leafiatheneko That guy’s a Gym Leader, not a Champion! Yeah, he doesn’t deserve to be in there!

[@TheMightyGlizzy]

@@leafiatheneko Dude already interrupted a Serena episode, literally would turn on everyone’s emotions

[@WilliamX5000]

@@jonahdengler3858 Wallace is a champion in Pokemon Emerald, but other than that, you're right.

[@theking8347]

Leon WASN'T immediately the strongest in the world when he was introduced. He was introduced in the finals of the previous Masters 8 tournament. Him and Lance were the two finalists in that tournament, and Leon beat him, giving him the title of strongest.

[@SpiritedFalcon]

IIRC, they introduced him as monarch. Consider the previous master class tournament, where Lance and Leon were the finalist, to be just like this one.

[@DKChyna]

@@SpiritedFalcon Lance was the defending winner of the tournament, and lost the title to Leon

[@SpiritedFalcon]

@@DKChyna nope

[@DKChyna]

@@SpiritedFalcon I just rewatched it, and we are both incorrect. None are introduced as monarch.

[@SpiritedFalcon]

@@DKChyna yeah, same.

[@krammerant2823]

Imagine Tobias just rolling up with legendaries that can dynamax.

[@rdm9991]

I can picture him throwing a dynamax mega rayquaza

[@590488]

@@rdm9991 according to the rules you can only pick one of mega, z crystals or dynamax. I know in the games you can have a team with all of it but not in the anime.

[@rdm9991]

@@590488 seems legit still a mega rayquaza would be impossible to stop

[@AngelloDelNorte]

@@590488 Tobias: SCREW THE RULES, I HAVE LEGENDARY POKEMONS!

[@AngelloDelNorte]

@@rdm9991 More like throwing out a dynamax, mega evolved, shiny Arceus with a Z-move lol.

[@michaelolson6261]

Steven should be in for sure. His mega metagross was terrifying in the games - honestly the hardest champion for that pokemon alone in mine opinion.

[@ultragameix1144]

His mega metagross has even rivalled primal kyogre in generations

[@luisfillipebeserra2108]

@@ultragameix1144 and was defeated by an iron steel

[@Kuerikami]

@@luisfillipebeserra2108 pikachu had plot armor

[@BrettKolb-o9n]

Yeah I agree. Considering that he was the Champion of Hoenn is the more recent stories of the anime. It is basically now stated how between Sinnoh and Kalos. Steven became the new champion; so he would be more powerful. Plus considering the one gimmick per match rule (besides against Leon, but that was Leon wanting a full challenge) it makes more sense to have a Meta Metagross, than a Dynamaxed Milotic

[@luisangelbaezsegui5885]

Love Diantha being there, and Iris reaching back to be able to get to the top 8 is also a great edition.

[@pokefandylan2117]

Wallace shouldn’t be here though, since he’s much more of a Contest guy in the anime, especially since the Wallace Cup exists, and also Lance vs. Diantha was a great battle between power vs. strategy, and Iris vs. Cynthia was great cause it showed why Iris wanted to become champion, and great interactions between Iris and Cynthia

[@theking8347]

The anime is not the same as the games. When introducing the Masters Eight, the announcer said that Diantha's battling skillings are just as good as her acting skills.

[@michaelvonreich74]

Her acting skills kind of suck, so.

[@shadowgiraffe7502]

One character who 100% should be in the top 8 is Tobias. He demolished the Sinnoh league, only struggling slightly with Ash. We need to see him be defeated and to see the rest of his cracked team.

[@Phyrrus]

Since Cynthia is Here, this implies that she Beat him in their Championship Match.

[@PEEshooter-pr3sq]

@@Phyrrus Then why is Alain here. He should have lost to Diantha by the same logic

[@oilerfan871]

My head canon is that Tobias got killed trying to catch a legendary

[@guycrimson8187]

@@Phyrrus even if you win the league that doesnt mean that you have to fight the champion,he could have simply refused to battle the elite 4 and cynthia.

[@guycrimson8187]

@@PEEshooter-pr3sq well technically yea but if they really fought i doubt alain would have lost,ash's greninja almost defeated diantha's mega gardevoir,if it werent for the time limit then diantha would have lost,and alain's better than than ash,his mega charizard would have destroyed all of diantha's team considering that his charizard defeated 10 mega pokemons(he even demolished a elite 4 mega pokemon even when his charizard is weakened)in a row and is capable of fighting stronger legendaries. As for tobias,even tho he won the league he probably just refused to fight the E4 and the champion,even more so with alain because the only reason he joined the league was to battle ash anyways.

[@ktonivoy9114]

Diantha is underrated in the anime she can command her ace by looks alone of course she's strong and replacing Steven with walace is just bad

[@alphathehedgehogx96]

Diantha's synergy with her Gardevoir is amazing

[@annamae3946]

I'm surprised you didn't mention Tobias, not only does Ash need a rematch, but it would also be interesting to learn about the guy that took away Ash's victory in Sinnoh.

[@akasakasad6271]

only reason why i wouldn’t is because it’s implied cynthia beat him anyways

[@andrewengelman3544]

@@akasakasad6271 I haven't seen every episode, but I haven't seen any implication that they ever battled.

[@jameshardy3181]

@@andrewengelman3544 Tobias won the Sinnoh League, meaning he likely took on the Elite Four and Cynthia, and lost along the way, likely to Cynthia, because Cynthia is still Champion after the Diamond and Pearl anime.

[@andrewengelman3544]

@@jameshardy3181 What makes you think it's likely Tobias took on the Elite 4 and Cynthia? If you're going by that logic wouldn't it be just as likely that Alain took on the Kalos Elite 4 and Diantha and lost because Diantha is still the Champion in Kalos? I don't think they've ever shown the winner of a league taking on the champion afterward.

[@zaniel9924]

Hmm i was searchin for dis comment

[@kuzanjp9336]

Let just say that Iris being able to speedrun to Master 8 before Ash should be enough to prove that she is worthy of being one of the best 8 trainers in the world.

[@DKChyna]

your argument about Alder, is that he might have retired and therefore lost his title to Iris? But why would he compete in the tournament then? Which requires you to battle a lot? Makes no sense Same goes with Mustard lol. And how would he be a good character? We've never even seen him. Lance is more of a Johto guy for me, even his ace pokemon is from Johto. And Kanto and Johto is basically the same place. I think the Master's 8 is great, if I should remove someone, then it would be Alain. But again, I don't think he's bad choice by any means

[@TheHolySacred-Cow]

Mustard isnt there cause it wouldnt really make sense story wise and we havent even seen him once yet Alder isnt a champion anymore so why is he even trying The people that are in the Pwt i am fine with Ash is gonna battle the top 3, 2 and 1 trainer in it And we dont need another old rivalry to pop up in the most important tournament because their battle would easily overshadow the whole tournament cause you know XYZ fans if you wanna watch that then watch xyz Leon and alain are against each other to show how strong Leon really is by taking out ashs strongest rival also he doesnt even use gmax charizard in that battle

[@achilles2674]

nyc..But Diantha...she Does NOT deserve a master 8

[@TheHolySacred-Cow]

@@achilles2674 ash never beated her And we dont know if alain never got to battle her So i guess they just wanted to show what she can really do without team rocket stopping her battles

[@achilles2674]

@@TheHolySacred-Cow ohk...btw plz see my comment

[@TheHolySacred-Cow]

@@achilles2674 ok

[@vanessasandoval96]

But Iris has beaten alder now she is the champion of unova

[@yurimarcal6392]

You will see next ep why Diantha definitely earned her place at the master 8

[@7zonescom]

Ya

[@calennon3]

Mustard could still be an important side character for the tournament. I can see Ash and Co running into him attending the event and he can give Ash insight on how to be the one to finally beat Leon

[@georgesantiago1101]

I would love to see Ash training with mustard in the battle Dojo.

[@luckyblock9818]

I feel like the trainers are fine, but the matchups aren't great, Alain is fighting Leon in Round 1, so I doubt we'll see the rematch we've wanted

[@WilliamX5000]

I wouldn't entirely be sure about that. For all we know, Alain could mop the floor with Leon.

[@mellyjordan1199]

agreed, I'll only switch 1 match up! and i'll put the girls to battle

[@melvondrewhite2674]

@@WilliamX5000 No , That’s Not Happening .

[@vanessasandoval96]

Leon will beat up Alain so easily if he is the toughest champion ever in the round 1

[@mellyjordan1199]

@@vanessasandoval96 might not be the strongest ever!! Something changes every gen so you never know.. Plus he was only named that to push this generation

[@madnessarcade7447]

Diantha in game is bad isn’t a good justification for why the anime counterpart shouldn’t be there The anime isn’t the games

[@Eltonoconnor]

I have to heavily disagree with the whole video. Diantha definitely deserves her spot light, especially more than Alan. She's one strong trainer in the series, especially with the mega gardevoir that she has. Wallice is a fucking joke. Don't even get me started. I would definitely kick Lance out. I find him to be overhyped. Iris is anyday better both characterwise and in her choice of dragon Pokemon. Who cares about mustard lol? And Alder. He was an douche that pissed me off so much in XY. It's all about who is the best of the best right now rather than "Suitable representations" it's a damn heavy tournament in the end of the day where people are fighting for a title.

[@Eltonoconnor]

Alder in B&W* oops...

[@pauloa.7609]

Why kick Lance out? Dude is awesome!

[@JacksontheSwordsman]

I want Karen to have a representation in the anime. She is honestly among my favorite Elite Four, and deserves more representation.

[@aswin5151]

Grimsley

[@elliotnutella8044]

Fax, as we say: The only Karen I'd let speak to my manager ;)

[@Subreon]

also she has an umbreon. and if she was in this, obviously she should win, carried by the bre. cuz bre is pawg uwu

[@SpiritedFalcon]

Probably doesn't even exist, lol.

[@Marcusjnmc]

she's great , but I'm sure she often loses to Lance, probably a lot of elite four members could challenge the best but only send their region's best

[@kaiprice4991]

If Alain is brought back soly to lose, thats kind of a bummer. If they want someone to job, and show Leon's strength, I woulda picked Tobias. If Leon swept a team of legends it would place him firmly as number one (at least for the time being).

[@dash3lee]

Tobias was only introduced to prevent ash from winning the Sinnoh league. He is not ever gonna be a reoccurring character.

[@kaiprice4991]

@@dash3lee I get that, but still, showing Tobias get stomped would set Leon up as OP, and it would've been cool to see them bring someone like him back. Much better than using Alain as a jobber.

[@pauloa.7609]

I hope Lance gets his revenge for his defeat.

[@AvengedToni]

Diantha is much better Kalos representation than Alain since she is an actual champion and Alain is only there to get destroyed by Leon. I say just replace Alain with Karen or Alder and you're good.

[@joshsivan4466]

True. Mystic is such a Diantha hater ngl

[@SpiritedFalcon]

Alain should've offscreened her, tbh.

[@ot12stan61]

@@SpiritedFalcon not really he’s kinda weak he couldn’t even beat all the elite 4 of kalos it makes no sense why he would beat her

[@SpiritedFalcon]

@@ot12stan61 he got significantly stronger, its like saying Ash is weak because he lost 3-0 to Flint, back in Sinnoh, lol. Anyways, it doesn't matter, he was portrayed to be fodder. Also, we'd have to see Diantha's performance against Leon, to compare her to Alain.

[@Butter_Warrior99]

The Masters Eight is “Among Us”, (Among Us theme plays).

[@bradcarver8127]

Diantha sus

[@killervee3290]

Well uh... glad this wasn't left up to you, because I definitely wouldn't have been as hyped lol.

[@animedude8712]

Agreed

[@pikapat321]

0:03 the Masters 8 is WHAT?

[@onoono3646]

i would add Giovany, it would be awesome just because it would show why team rocket is feared and why he is leader of team rocket. It would get vibe that in not all of them are heroes. It would be great representation for johto and kanto. And we would see all of his pokemons, not only persian.

[@larspelgrom182]

*Cuts Diantha, because Alain is there for Kalos representation* *Cuts Alain*

[@DeepdelverChespin]

big 🤡

[@DrewHLMW]

only one i really agree with is Karen replacing Alain, Satoshi isnt fighting him so bringing him back was pointless and Karen is someone we've never seen in the anime before. Diantha is awesome, screw the haters. i could take or leave Iris and Steven must stay, emerald replacing him with Wallace was stupid.

[@jjtjp2469]

I would've preferred it if they gave Alain's spot to anybody else if all they were going to do is use him for the jobbing trope you see sometimes in tournament arcs which is pointless here since we already know that Leon is strong and it's confirmed that you're not getting Mega Zard-X Vs. Gigantamax Zard, so what's the point, you know?

[@theking8347]

Alain is here to be the jobber.

[@chauci14]

For Kanto it could be Brandon, the head of the Pyramid and Battle Frontier of Kanto. Another candidate could be Drake, champion of the Orange Islands. Another missed mention should be Tobias, who swept the Sinnoh region and almost the entire Pokemon League only using his Darkrai

[@peacocca190]

I think the final 8 is the wrong place to introduce new (to the anime) characters. So really the ONLY contenders for a spot are Alder and Wallace. I can see an argument for Alder over either Alain or Iris, but I'm fine with them over him as well. As for Wallace, I'd say Alain and Steven are both better picks then the weakest champion the games have ever had. This just isn't the place for a type specialist (Iris and Lance having several non dragons. Steven has more then one type specialty.) I don't see a legit argument for ANYONE over the official champions. So I'll say Alder would have been fine, but not really any better or worse than the actual picks. And nobody else makes the cut.

[@daviddo2441]

stop using game characters and apply them for the anime. Yea game and anime are somehow related but there are a HUGE different between game and anime

[@animedude8712]

Agreed

[@bramadyapratama9110]

Lol you disagree there were 2 Kalos representatives but wants to make 2 representatives from galar. How is that makes sense?

[@shrooms847]

I wouldn’t mind the line up of the match ups actually made more sense like have Iris fight Lance to advance the dragon master stuff for her.

[@liamsinclair79]

I agree with most of these except Diantha. Firstly, this is the anime, not the games so I don’t care if she’s a push over in XY. And let’s be honest every trainer in XY is a push over. Personally, I think she deserves to be there: If we assume that Alain challenged the kalos league after he won the lumiose conference then he must of lost considering he is not champion of Kalos. As a result, he either lost to an elite 4 member or Diantha herself. Either way she must be stronger than Alain. In addition, I believe her telepathic bond with her Guardevoir is very unique and should make for an entertaining battle. Although, despite not playing the Sword/Shield games I do believe that Mustard would be an interesting character in the Master’s 8 and learning of Leon’s backstory. However I believe he should be in the master’s 8 instead of Iris or Alain (since he is not battling Ash).

[@DeepdelverChespin]

Games does not = anime The nerve of this ytber istg

[@husariuspl117]

@@maciejwucow1563 people have been doing that for years and I don't know how they don't see how stupid it is For example: "why does Ash not evolve his Pokemon" cause this isn't a game, you can't evolve your pokemon unless it's via item"

[@Marcusjnmc]

I haven't seen a source but I saw someone mention Alain became Grand Duke of Kalos, Diantha was the reigning Grand Duchess, so that would imply Alain defeated Diantha at least once, but Diantha is ranked above him here, which implies she beat him at some point as well

[@jukenmar]

I'm fine with Diantha being there so i'd rather have Allain out and maybe just have a special episode with him and ash battle as part of training for the masters.. just like you mentioned for Wallace, i think Diantha needs screen time because i don't think she got enough screen time to prove her being the champion of Kalos.

[@butternutbandit5722]

Its not just about power, I think a cool part about the selection here is their connection to Ash and to the viewer. It’s awesome that Iris is here. In terms of strength, we haven’t seen most of these characters in a long time. So the anime can make them as strong as they need to be for the scenario. Nobody is going to get hyped seeing Alder (someone we barely care about) pull up to the battle. However, additions like Iris and Alain bring in the nostalgia and remind us how far we’ve come over the years. And it also shows the impact Ash has had on the people he’s met and that they have continued to grow to great heights after their adventures with him. I think seeing their growth for hundreds of episodes is more deserving of a spot than “this champion is here because we said he was strong 400 episodes ago”

[@k-froy4746]

Never let this man cook again 💀

[@DirtyBobBojangles]

Could tell you reached REALLY hard with this video. Like its a stretch to even consider half of these over the current picks. Heres the like and comment you worked so hard for though.

[@Cepheid12]

I honestly wanted Tobias and Tyson to return hehe.

[@rajasaurus3229]

Harrison too

[@SpiritedFalcon]

Tobias was a lazy excuse, consider him non existent.

[@theultimategamer95]

Tyson was such a cool character, honestly.

[@roberttoader464]

The only karen we would let speak to our manager

[@sureshviji3412]

What should be in the Masters 8 is all the champion themes from the games plus a custom for Ash and Alain. This is the champion league so it isn't a bad idea plus they used Lance/Red's theme in the DP series.

[@marcusmckanbackman]

You are very subjective and your reasoning doesn't from an anime stand point. You tend to forgot from time to time that the anime and the games are different. I understand what the writers were going for making the champions of their respective regions one of masters 8. Understand Lance being a Champion of two regions due to the indigo Plateu is located that they needed someone to fill the final spot, so it feels like they just threw Alain in the because of.... But a decent video I guess

[@DeepdelverChespin]

Just because diantha isnt good in the game doesn't mean she is bad in the anime why is everybody acting like my enemy. geez

[@animedude8712]

Agreed, Ash never beat her either.

[@sirianluca]

I actually love the idea of Mustard in M8, it would give Leon a match with stakes besides Ash.

[@gustavoschiller6852]

¿But isn't Mustard retired?

[@tanjinghan9843]

You need to have some respect for the champions. And their strength in the games does not equate to their strength in the anime, which has been shown multiple times.

[@aryanbarnwal8677]

Why do people still think that Greyninja can defeat MCX. Can Greyninja fight with a Champion's Ace who doesn't hold back ? NO Can Greyninja defeat 10 Mega Evolved Pokemons including an Elite 4's Ace ? NO Can Greninja survive Mega Rayquaza's not full powered Dragon Ascent ? NO Can Greyninja surive Primal Groudon's Precipice Blades ? NO Can Greyninja fight toe-to-toe with Zygarde(50%) ? NO That's what Greyninja Fans need to understand

[@sonicdragon813]

So, you’re not going to talk about Tobias? He has two legendary and we barely know anything about him. Journeys could’ve elaborated on how he managed to obtain Darkrai and Latios. Tobias could easily replace Diantha, Alain, or Iris as he should be stronger than any one of those three.

[@getmeto50ksubsorelse46]

Tobias isn’t exactly a fan favorite, mainly because of how scummy that win in sinnoh was and how they essentially just used him to spam legendaries and keep ash from winning

[@NoOne-uc3xe]

@@getmeto50ksubsorelse46 but at least adding him to masters 8 will help us understand him better. He needed more Screen time.

[@shockdiesel3470]

Mustard only has a 2% chance of ever replacing Leon. And your entire reason for replacing Diantha with mustard is knoll and voided by the fact that grandninja is not even a member of Ash's active team in any region except for kalos And I'm pretty sure that the anime writers manipulated the masters 8 tournament brackets just to put ash against Cynthia in the second round and Ash VS Leon in the final. Meaning the only wild card match up Ash had was the first round where he went up against the howen champion Be it Steven or Wallis, so with your bracket, I gotta ask without replacing anyone's team members. Where's the kalos representation? You axed Diantha Because you already had kalos representation. Which you then replaced with Karen of the Johto elite four All because Mega X Charizard VS Mega Lucario wasn't epic enough for you. The sad truth, Alon was thrown into the tournament as cannon fodder to show Leon as a threat. Lance was there Because he was the runner-up in the last masters 8 tournament and automatically got an invitation alongside Leon to return, Cynthia is a fan and writer favorite, Leon's the big threat, Ash is the previous generation of games' new champion face and of course the main character. Steven Diantha and Iris Are the only ones that are touchable. If you take out Cynthia's garchomp, Steven is the strongest champion the games have ever seen, Diantha and her Gardevoir can communicate just by eye contact, and as for iris. Name me one other dragon master champion in any generation that can communicate with their Pokémon Via a soul bond.

[@briansilva3344]

I believe Wallace has been referenced in the anime as one the greatest Water Pokémon trainers in the world (even has a Tournament named after him in the Sinnoh region). But I still appreciate Steven way more.

[@futuredirector23]

not just limited to the sinnoh region, it does travel, dawn mentioned how she won it 2 years in a row the 2nd year was in johto

[@mezasepkmn]

ash battled wallace in journey’s and off screened him anyways. it was in serena’s return episode

[@bryanrock105]

Iris’ beginning story doesn’t make sense without this. The reveal that she became champion only to be stuck in ultra ball rank would be a waste. Instead, it’s cool to see her grind her way past satoshi snd make it to the 7th rank before he even gets into the final 8

[@MiracleTrigger261]

To each their own opinion diantha and Iris are my two favorite champions Iris has always been strong and I’m excited that she worked her way up to we’re she is and I think diantha has some bad representation from both anime and games and this would be the perfect time to fix those flaws. Also I noticed that you would have wanted to not only get rid of diantha but at the end Alian as well. And if that’s the case who should have represented Kalos then?

[@maiden1471]

5:15 well, if you remember in the Pokemon Emerald game, the true final boss after you take down the Elite Four and Wallace is Steven, Wallace is just a replacement for Steven while he's digging in Meteor Falls, I mean if you look at it his team absolutely destroys Wallace's team. Everything else I agree with so far.

[@Nova-gh5yr]

Iris and Cynthia battling was a long time coming since the BW anime plus having one of Ash's companion make it to the masters 8 is cool Not to mention from the games and how we've seen her grown I'm the anime Yeah she is stronger than Alder, she deserves her spot

[@NaveenKumar_2004]

Alder retired😂😂😂 bro watch recent episode... iris said that she finished off the battle with ononox.. in the champion battle... so if she didn't battled alder who else would she have battled... none of the characters who was said to be "he/she doesn't deserve to he here" are actually more deserved to be here.. and master mustard being there is just absurd... i mean it would mess things up....

[@pieterhofkens7259]

Unpopular opinion: Steven would beat Cynthia

[@melvondrewhite2674]

He Literally Would . 😂💯

[@Realdeal958]

Absolutely

[@SpiritedFalcon]

Arguable

[@PEEshooter-pr3sq]

Nahh Steven is going get eliminated in the 1st round itself. Later Cynthia will join him.

[@pieterhofkens7259]

@@PEEshooter-pr3sq.... 'Would' lmao read what I typed

[@dragonking7779]

Looking back on this after watching the Masters 8 tournament, this didn’t age well. I think Diantha showed her ability as champion in her battle with Lance and Iris had a great battle against Cythina’s Mega Garchomp. I wouldn’t have mind Mustard if the Journey’s writers were smart enough to put him in. For Alan, they basically just said that Ash-Greninja doesn’t exist. Ash beat Wallace off screen. Honestly my thoughts of the Masters 8 was pretty much what were the writers thinking

[@MysticUmbreon]

1 year later, I actually agree with you.

[@pieterhofkens7259]

I really hope alder is the hero from pla and he got send back in Time and that is the reason he isn't here. Pla arc gen9 would be dope

[@Ori385]

I’m not trying to be rude but that makes absolutely no fucking sense

[@pieterhofkens7259]

@@Ori385 It does. Have you seen the hints towards alder in gen9? There is litterly a portrait of him in one of the tents, and not of an ancestor. Like actually the alder

[@TheHolySacred-Cow]

@@pieterhofkens7259 that doesnt mean he is in PLA

[@pieterhofkens7259]

@@TheHolySacred-Cow indeed, but it is fun to speculate

[@KG-qm7pb]

If anyone should be in the masters 8, it’s Tobias… man did not have enough back story and just disappeared

[@gavinhooks3069]

Man said Wallace should be in there instead of Steven💀💀💀

[@SpiritedFalcon]

Ikr? Lmfao

[@Midnightking77]

I agree with Alder being in the top 8 also I miss the old 6on 6 intense battles Hope the final fight with Leon will be a 6on 6 and hopefully Ash brings his old Pokemon

[@dash3lee]

Bro Steven and Wallace are completely not interchangeable. For one Steven is a much more powerful trainer than Wallace. Plus Wallace is a much better Contest Coordinator than a Pokemon battler hence the Sinnoh Wallace cup arc.

[@k9blazesensation]

I swear if this person bring up video game logic in anyway shape or form I’m out

[@k9blazesensation]

Okay well that didn’t last long

[@joejohnson4725]

People who don't watch the anime usually bring up video game logic, even though they are separate.

[@KorytheMaril]

I think the thing with Johto is, there's technically no Johto league. The league is still in Kanto, there's just an entrance to it in Johto, but it's on the Kanto map. I think this was because Gold and Silver were meant to be the last Pokémon games, and they operated under the notion that you could only have one Pokémon champion period, and it makes sense: at the time, the Pokémon world was just those two regions, and they were connected to each other. Gen 3 introduced the idea that there could be multiple champions from multiple regions. So, technically, Karen would be a Kanto rep, but I see what you mean: she originates from a Johto league. But even still, I'm fine with two trainers repping Kanto, because each of them also reps another region. • Ash Ketchum, repping both Kanto and Alola • Lance, repping both Kanto and Johto

[@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy]

The Elite Four isn't Kanto Elite Four though fyi. Its Indigo Elite Four

[@srankureljusic4582]

Disagree with everything. Your choices are boring. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Spheal4Life]

I think this list should have been instead of who can replace the masters 8, “who else could’ve joined the masters 8 if there were more people”. (Like Masters 10 or something) The current Masters 8 is perfect.

[@crimsonking2874]

I didn’t really see the need for this video. The master 8 is fine. The only ones I would replace are Alain, and Iris. Personally I don’t like Iris and since Alain wont have a rematch theres no point to him being in the Masters 8. Seeing Tobias or Karen would be much better. I don’t think we need to see Alder and Mustard, they are retired let them enjoy it. That would be like asking Professor Oak to return. Wallace is also not a good champion in my eyes. Wallace could never surpass Steven, he only became champion in Emerald because Steven stepped down. Proven by the fact that when Steven decided to take back his title he kicked Wallace right out. As for Lance, he should give up his Dragon Master title and be could a Flying Master.

[@quadrailindsay7904]

Grow up

[@crimsonking2874]

@@quadrailindsay7904 Is there a specific reason for me to earn this reply?

[@SpiritedFalcon]

@@crimsonking2874 no, just some braindead guy, who needs to take their own advice.

[@josestercio]

Diantha is still the Kalos champion so stay mad.

[@MegaNikaNika]

i completely disagree, mustard is too old and i’m pretty sure that he would just want to focus on his dojo more than winning number one. Alder passed down his duties to Iris because she deserves it so she should stay. I would prefer steven more than wallace but i think either could work. I saw another video about Alain and i agree with the video saying that Alain is there to show how much tougher the top eight are going to be. If Ash sees the guy he has never beaten before loses in the first round, he will understand to step up his game even much more. I agree that Lance should be replaced but I don’t think an elite four who supposedly is weaker than the champion be in the top 8. it’s hard to think of someone from Johto to represent but i also don’t really think that each champion is supposed to represent their region, it’s a tournament to see who is the best from the whole world so whoever can be in the top 8, it just happens to be all champions.

[@craigpeoples9883]

Aren't some the elite four members old too

[@kaimobley5324]

I'd still choose to swap Lance with Karen. Lance looses to much as a supposed Champion. In the games he only became champion bcus Red was MIA. Idk what the reason of him becoming champion in Johto was but he clearly didn't deserve it. Not saying he's weak but not consistent

[@MegaNikaNika]

I see what you mean but Karen would be, I think, the only one who didn’t appear in the show. And that would cause some disconnection to be able enjoy the battles to the fullest. I would find it harder to enjoy the battle if it wasn’t a champion nor a person we haven’t seen in the anime. Even though the battle between Alain and Leon was pretty dumb, I still have high hopes for the other battles.

[@SpiritedFalcon]

@@kaimobley5324 and why does Karen deserve to be the champion? 😂 She's weaker than Lance, hence the reason why she's an E4 member, and Lance is the champion. Lance became champion, not just because Red left, but also because he was obviously stronger than the others. Wanna know something else? Karen probably doesn't even exist in the anime. 🤣 1. She hasn't been introduced. 2. Lance *is* an E4 member (in the anime), meaning that the Indigo E4, in the anime, is most likely based on the Kanto games (in which Karen wasn't an E4), not the Johto ones.

[@SpiritedFalcon]

@@MegaNikaNika agreed

[@xaviertaillefer4583]

I'm just criticizing your video because I like your content and think you should've thought this one through a little more. You just contradicted yourself in your first two choices. You said Mustard is a former Champion, and in the games, Mustard is retired and works at his dojo. and number two Alder replacing Iris also makes no sense because it was stated that she had become the new champion of the Unova region. So had she not been in the masters 8 and he had who would really be stronger. Pokemon isn't going to contradict themselves like that. Wallace has always been represented as more of a coordinator in the anime, although he was Stevens's stand-in as champion at one point. And the Johto and Kanto Elite 4 are one league so there are not two separate elite 4s. Agatha and Lorelei were replaced or beaten or whatnot and Lance was moved up to champion so you have your Johto representation.

[@MrFranocanha89]

I think Kanto & Johto share the Elite4, and their members are mixed in the anime. There is only one E4 for both regions. - Lorelei, Bruno & Agatha are confirmed, and Lance is the Champion. Koga is still a Kanto Gym Leader at the moment. - The last E4 member could be Karen or Will. Maybe Agatha (she is really old) has retired and Will (or Karen) is the last member. In the games, Will said he has been accepted recently, and Agatha is not in the E4... In my opnion, the Kanto & Johto E4 could be: Lorelei, Bruno, Will & Karen. Agatha has retired, Koga is still a Gym Leader and Lance has been always the Champion.

[@paolocalapatia6401]

Hmmm...2/5 Agree about Steven and SURPRISINGLY ALSO Alain (Bringing past Ash Mons to The Masters8 INCLUDING Greninja isn't happening AND Ash isn't even battling him cause he's being sacrificed to Leon) BUT HIGHLY DISAGREE about Diantha, Iris, and Lance >:(

[@VHDXO]

I personally think Tobias should have been in the masters eight because Alain doesn’t seem fitting

[@ThisIsTheKendom]

Based off of your reasoning … I think the list is fine as is. You picked characters who you feel could use more exposure or development but that wasn’t the point in being the best. The characters selected by the anime are quite clearly the best…

[@leonelcuriel9455]

Off topic but just a thought I wanted to share: I really wanted to see Ash battle Richie again in Pokémon Journeys. Since they tend to have similar battle styles and teams, and the last time they battled was in the round of 16 for the indigo league it could have been a really cool final battle for Ash to qualify for Masters 8.

[@Marcusjnmc]

that would have been nice

[@GamingG4276]

I hear you Mystic, but it has been revealed that Alain has to fight Leon. And there is no way Leon would lose that easily, seeing he represents Galar. Update: The episode were Leon and Alain battle came out today. Sorry Mystic, Alain lost. And I've seen fans already calling it the worst battle in Journeys.

[@jamiewalsh3349]

Alain vs Ash was the obvious route but the writers couldn't resist having Charizard vs Charizard. And we had something like that already in the Kalos league. And I wanted Iris against Lance too.

[@dylanchua5197]

@@jamiewalsh3349 Another wasted opportunity I guess

[@thetrench8486]

Honestly surprised Tobias wasn't mentioned, since he's one of the few character's you could make the argument to include and would have made for a good addition.

[@jasonbornot]

Remove iris and diantha For paul and anyone else

[@TheHolySacred-Cow]

Paul isnt in to festivities And we already had 10/10 episode with paul

[@jasonbornot]

@@TheHolySacred-Cow ok still a better option

[@TheHolySacred-Cow]

@@jasonbornot i know At least remove diantha Or they could have let her battle alain first and then alain could move on to fight leon instead of having him wasted

[@finnwestdoesit]

The Diantha disrespect is appalling. Leon has plot armour to the point of fuckery. Cynthia should be #1.

[@chase86903]

2:25 Leon is #1 because he beat Lance (who was the previous Monarch/#1 trainer in the world) in the previous tournament (which was shown in one of the first episodes). After beating Lance he has NEVER lost a fight, thus he retains his #1 spot. SO CAN YOU PLEASE STOP WITH THE CYNTHIA SIMPIMG SAYING EVERY TIME THIS TOPIC IS BROUGHT UP THAT SHE SHOULD BE #1! She obviously lost to either Lance or Leon in the previous master 8 tournament, so she shouldn't be better than Leon. Just PLEASE STOP WITH THE CYNTHIA SIMPING

[@theking8347]

Lance was never Monarch, Lance and Leon were fighting for the title.

[@animedude8712]

Agreed

[@melvondrewhite2674]

THANK YOU !!! 💯

[@SirGenesis206]

Alain and Iris could be swapped, but not for two retired trainers. I wish Alain had more of showing, but Iris got a lot of screen time like you said, so that would’ve been cool. Diantha and Steven in lure pretty much have to be there. They got those absolutely right. I like Karen being in though. Would’ve been a cool spin.

[@cjtrahey4195]

The Leon v Alain match is just to showcase how strong Leon’s Charizard is in its base form since the grass monke is getting g-max’d and the zard mirror match is against a mega form

[@SpiritedFalcon]

Idiotic decision, by the braindead writers.

[@QuestionsKiUdaan]

Tobias, Harrison, Cynthia, Giovanni, Paul, May, Leon and Ash should've be in the master's eight, it would have been so much better

[@myatbhonehtike5815]

ah yes make some ramdom trainer in the master 8 (paul and may like WHAT?)

[@KingChiggy]

Considering that we find out from Paul that he just didnt enter and compete, I feel like that could be said about a lot of trainers. I would have been absolutely overjoyed if Tobias came back and we got to see Ash beat HIM down. I'd enjoy it a lot more than seeing Alaine or Iris, to be honest.

[@danetheassassin8746]

Tobias was boring. The master 8 is perfect as it is

[@futuredirector23]

Paul not competing because he doesnt like the crowds or whatever he said is completely different from who he use to be, he was a trainer who challenged many leagues, kanto, johto, hoenn and sinnoh, so for him to say he doesnt like the drama or whatever is a complete 180 from who he use to be and is out of the ordinary for his character. it was weird they decided to change him that drastically. personally i would of changed out diantha for paul and had gary or barry be the person ash battled last episode

[@danetheassassin8746]

@@futuredirector23 you can’t be serious when you said Gary. He’s literally with project mew and became a chaser. He don’t have time for masters 8. And who wants to bring back Barry😂 . I think everything lined up perfectly and I wouldn’t change a thing

[@SpiritedFalcon]

@@futuredirector23 lol follow the story, you people really love illigocal fanservice.

[@shalnark3117]

Instead of putting Alain there, it could have been better if the Gen 9 champion was introduced through Anime Masters 8 to help promote Scarlet/Violet. Or that Gen 9 champion should have been initially introduced in the Journeys series as a mysterious character and then revealed to be in the Masters 8 soon.

[@MooN.Negi.]

i'm sure they will go with ash vs lian in final, which is boring in my eyes

[@madnessarcade7447]

I’m guessing ur not upto date on Pokémon journeys because it already explained how leon got to the top Sonia taught him about battling and he was a natural prodigy Sonia mentored leon in the anime not mustard

[@daviddavis1085]

Terrible choices lol

[@oresti9271]

Alder wasn't the dude that really cared about Pokemon battles lol for what I remember in the anime he just slept in the middle of the battle with ash and he didn't even bothered to go save his region when team rocket and team plasma attacked lol so in my eyes Anime alder isn't an top 8 material

[@sergiogomez3112]

They’re literally all champions 😗 although I agree Diantha is one of the easier champions, that’s due to game difficulty not her character.

[@vanessasandoval96]

I bet Diantha is going to beat Lance

[@sammekala913]

yeah but even in the anime her mega-gardevoir almost lost to ash-greninja

[@anouar4664]

@@sammekala913 ash-greninja is champion level tho

[@jackfloc0]

@@vanessasandoval96 she isn’t beating lance

[@lethargictendencies9485]

@@vanessasandoval96 yo she actually beat lance nice

[@adamaba3433]

We all know the one to be in the master’s 8 is Tobias so that way it would feel less like he was made just so ash would lose the sinnoh league

[@Docmain3]

Lance not being uno, while being a two region champ is outrageous. You're telling me Kanto and Johto aren't strong regions?