Who Was BETTER Offensively: Wilt Chamberlain or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? w/

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[@cpthubble]

This was the most civil players choice debate of all time 😂

[@jiggafromstatefarm9997]

I Like Civil

[@DeemDaDream91]

It was civil because it was a spreadsheet standoff.

[@navonmyhand7999]

None of them have really watched either play so they don't have crazy biases

[@gokiesbx857]

@@DeemDaDream91 it’s funny because you mfs just use eye tests which is all subjective but then see a good debate that uses statistics that actually happened +eye test and y’all get mad FOH

[@drgreene1886]

@@gokiesbx857damn you aggressive

[@gtg309v]

Wilt held Kareem to 46% shooting in head to head matchups, while Kareem was shooting 56% against the league. In Wilt's scoring years, he consistently led playoff series in scoring, FG%, and rebounding.

[@coachwane]

All facts. Sick of these stat nerds trying to give creditable takes. Now they saying Jerry West better than Wilt. Man please.

[@jagzey]

wilt was old as shit playing kareem too, like mid 30s

[@rashamererivera8083]

When they were on the same team Jerry was usually better than him in regular season and playoffs

[@gtg309v]

@@rashamererivera8083 Wilt wasn't looking to score at that time of his career. He was playing his role. Jerry West couldn't defend and rebound like Wilt did. But Wilt could have scored as much, and more, than Jerry West every did, if he wanted to.

[@younggod3906]

@@gtg309vexactly

[@Chris-ov7gv]

This definitely a stray but when ticket not around you guys have really good debates. Ya can actually go back and forth😂😂

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

Clearly Wilt has a higher offensive peak statistically speaking.

[@XaviorJordan]

Wilt clears offensively. Kareem just did it longer.

[@talkwithdev1104]

Facts

[@jeremiahsmith7706]

Wilt's playoff translation was garbage

[@mindeyethemasterscreen2712]

That's not true at all in the same minutes played well actually 2000 less minutes Kareem totalled more points than Wilt and was more accurate than Wilt from both the Field and at the Free Throw line in both the regular season and the playoffs and even more insane Kareem took 4000 less shots.

[@jimmycharlotin7050]

I don't think that these so called nba experts watch some of these players they critiquing stats is not going to do justice plus wilt played in the 60's kareem played in the more modern Era. My thing is this these guys have alot of times researching

[@windexman2004]

@@jeremiahsmith7706 In the playoffs 1960-1966 (scoring focused Wilt) 32.8ppg 50%fg His worst postseason during that span: 28ppg 50%fg 1967 and 1968 (playmaking focused Wilt) 22.2ppg 55%fg and 7.9apg Performance going down≠bad performance

[@frankfentress5809]

THAT BILL RUSSEL TAX IS REALLLL 😭😭😭

[@CRAFTAthletics]

We need to Understand the Rules when Wilt played. He was arguably the Strongest player in NBA history and couldn’t use it because they would call an Offensive Foul on him. Shaq was allowed to dip his shoulder and over use his Strength. With that said Wilt still what he was scoring wise

[@kris9145]

💯💯 if wilt played in shaqs era he would have been just as dominant as shaq b8t could also kill it with his finesse game

[@barsbarsbarz]

​@@kris9145 unadjusted 22 PPG in the playoffs 🔥🔥 less than 5'8 isaiah thomas 🔥🔥 sooo dominant

[@lVloney]

@@barsbarsbarz you don’t kno basketball lol

[@barsbarsbarz]

@@lVloney led the league in PPG seven times but only once in the playoffs 🔥🔥 and that came in a 3 game losing sweep to the syracuse nationals 🔥🔥 so dominant that points and efficiency dropped every year

[@LuisLRC]

​@@barsbarsbarz and here you are hating on a dead guy 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 so inspiring 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@blacknetsmed]

Kareem was easily the better offensive player than Wilt. Wilt Chamberlain played a warped brand of offensive basketball, he was the original black hole. Harden-Moses bizarre blend of basketball. His FGA to AST ratio in '63 was insane, he averaged 39 FGA to 2 AST per game on only the 4th Best Offense out of 9 teams which is the equivalence of having 13th Best Offense in 2023. Wilt Chamberlain also played the entire game and never led elite Offenses in the Regular Season or Playoffs.

[@benjaminan1183]

None of what you said applies to Harden.

[@martelljhixson]

Kareem teams were better bro. stop it . and Wilt was clearly more dominate in him prime.

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

What about...him leading in assist what about his fga to assist ratio then what are u gonna say about that

[@dododump3144]

@@JohnnyRodgers3wilt leading the league in assists doesn’t really matter because he’s a worse playmaker than Kareem at his peak and throughout his prime. Wilt was a terrible playmaker

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

@@dododump3144 😂😂than why did they have him playmake win a championship ship with him as point center...and why were the most successful team in franchise history with him as point center ..and why did they set the record for most wins in franchise history...😂😂your logic is not logic especially when considering wilts assist peak is higher than Kareem's as well as his career assist per game ...dumb

[@alondusfuller3325]

This is a conversation for people who’s 54 and up 😂 . Y’all obviously can’t account for how good those two were when they actually played

[@dakidfromknowhere765]

True

[@sambartlett8214]

Why 54 specifically 😂?

[@tyreegomez6060]

Yeah they can..... They have access to footage. The old heads lie all the time and people like you fall for it

[@alondusfuller3325]

@@sambartlett8214 Because someone that age would have grown up and caught a few years of Wilt but majority of Kareem

[@alondusfuller3325]

@@tyreegomez6060 They never got to see live games, live seasons, or any type of progression from them so footage and stats alone don’t qualify lol

[@JLaSalle19]

Kareem a better passer? Cmon now

[@TellHerNothing]

I wish they could use clips and highlights in debates

[@MegaKhalid121]

KZbin won’t let them smh

[@Anonymityfan]

One issue with the Jokic Kobe comparison is the rule changes and how much easier it is to score now

[@chrilpy]

Bro on the bottom left kinda looks like SGA

[@dj12891]

I just knew that Kobe’s name would be brought up somehow lol

[@eljefe6161]

Wilt is the better player from the offensive standpoint, led the league in scoring seven times, led the league in rebounding as a center, better rebounder

[@creepincarl]

You can also as LOW did is that During their head-to-head matchups, Russell's teams often came out on top, with the Celtics winning 85 out of the 142 regular-season games that they played against Chamberlain's teams. However, Chamberlain did have some memorable performances against Russell, including his 100-point game in 1962. While Kareem faced many great players and teams during his career, including Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and the Showtime Lakers, among others, he did not have the same kind of rivalry with a single dominant opponent as Chamberlain did with Russell.

[@MarzTalksSports]

didnt wilt score 100 on the knicks?

[@creepincarl]

@@MarzTalksSports Yes, I apologize for the mistake in my previous response. Wilt Chamberlain's legendary 100-point game actually came against the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962, and not against Bill Russell's Boston Celtics. My bad bro. Chamberlain and Russell did have a fierce rivalry, but the 100-point game was not part of their head-to-head matchups. Chamberlain and Russell faced each other many times during their careers, with Russell's Celtics often getting the better of Chamberlain's teams in important games and playoff series.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@creepincarl yes,i believe wilts 55 rebound game was against bill though

[@creepincarl]

@@MarzTalksSports Yeah man 1960

[@creepincarl]

@@MarzTalksSports Wilt also averaged almost 28 rebounds a game. Thats insanity.

[@True-Believer616]

Yes! A debate on 2 all time legends at the same position.

[@reignmans]

Thing with Wilt is... he is like a mythical creature. we dont have enough tape or stats from him. its not fair to put him in any comparison.

[@TrueProphit]

Wtf is this kid talking about? Wilt was going against a team with 8 Hall of famers! Wilt was faster stronger had more energy! It took Kareem 16 years to do what wilt didn’t on 10.

[@creepincarl]

While it's true that Wilt Chamberlain faced some formidable opponents during his career, including many Hall of Fame players, it's important to consider all factors when evaluating his accomplishments and records. Wilt Chamberlain was certainly a dominant player, with an unmatched combination of size, strength, and athleticism, and his records and achievements are evidence of his incredible skills and talent. However, it's important to consider the era in which he played, as well as the competition and level of play during that time. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, on the other hand, also faced stiff competition during his career, including several Hall of Fame players, and his records and achievements are equally impressive. It's worth noting that Kareem played in a different era than Wilt, with different rules and playing styles, which can affect a player's performance and records.

[@legorovers9838]

the hall of fame narrative is so annoying

[@haroldmccoy6748]

People you do Wilts era played at a remarkable higher pace then in Kareem's duration of his career ,this farore advanced stats could be accumulated in Wilts era . Players were less skilled ,shooting ,and dribbling ,horrible shot selection based primarily from mediocre plays instituted by the head coaches thus a boatload of rebounds ,points ,were available at a scorching rate . Kareem under objective analytics assessment readjustments would have actually been just as proficient as Wilt under same game protocall and rules of Wilts generation in his prime .

[@huhmf4815]

Marz see the disrespect deadass. Wilt as a athlete was better then Kareem. Kareem has a better career I will say that. But Marz do you know wilt was set up to lose. As a big man you don't know wilt set the record on every stat for offense but the NBA wasn't keeping certain stats so you definitely don't know your basketball.

[@MarzTalksSports]

its funny im called the stat guy but 90% of what i hear about wilts game is purely statistical,cos when i watch the film of him which anyone can do,i see why people who dont do there due diligence overrates him

[@huhmf4815]

@@MarzTalksSports no I'm not calling you nothing. I'm just telling you wilt athletic play n ability to do things was under look for many reasons. So I'm not using stats for this I'm just saying his career was fuck over because he could do more then jokic. All the stuff y'all said about him was wrong.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@huhmf4815 who said anything ab joker

[@anthonywashington2197]

FACTS!!!

[@creepincarl]

Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar are two of the greatest basketball players of all time and both were exceptional offensive players. Wilt Chamberlain was a dominant scorer, with a career average of 30.1 points per game, the highest in NBA history. He was also an excellent rebounder and passer, averaging 22.9 rebounds and 4.4 assists per game over his career. Chamberlain was known for his incredible athleticism, strength, and ability to score from anywhere on the court. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was also an outstanding scorer, with a career average of 24.6 points per game, the second-highest in NBA history. He was known for his signature skyhook shot, which was nearly impossible to block. In addition to his scoring, Abdul-Jabbar was an excellent rebounder and shot blocker, with career averages of 11.2 rebounds and 2.6 blocks per game. Both players were incredibly talented and dominant offensive forces, but statistically speaking, Wilt Chamberlain was the better offensive player. Chamberlain's scoring average and overall production were unmatched in NBA history, and he still holds numerous records for scoring and rebounding. However, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was no slouch on the offensive end and is widely considered one of the greatest players of all time. This debate is probably out of my league but all I can do is look at both careers and point out stats. Don't kill me guys.

[@nathanjackson7797]

LOW tried to make the argument for Wilt. I can respect that

[@imajazzhead]

I hate ranking and speaking on the players I’ve never seen play. Yes, KZbin allows us to watch old games and we can read stats, but it doesn’t equate to watching live. I guess it’s all analytics…..

[@sebastianshaw4031]

Who averaged thirty points a game and around 15 blocks a game playing 47 minutes a game and who didn't 👹🔥🔥🔥

[@Wedonewithlebalco]

Mars you don’t know basketball. Wilt for his era was the most efficient center ever year top 3 at worst in his rookie year. Offensive rebounds wilt cleared him . Shaq not ahead of anything stop the cap . Wilt and kareem greatest centers ever.

[@MarzTalksSports]

nice username

[@anthonywashington2197]

FACTS!!!

[@Anonymityfan]

People forget what Kobe did against DPOY Dwight Howard

[@ricemandavis2815]

Good argument

[@SevenmilePoncho]

It’s about results I don’t care if you do the same thing over and over if it work and u beat them u better period it don’t matter the variety of ways if I can beat you doing the same thing

[@jonnstewart2023]

It does matter cuz versatility helps, for example we've seen lebron and giannis get stopped early in their careers cuz team built a wall to counter their rim pressure cuz teams knew they couldn't shoot. Having the ability to counter different coverages with different moves is a very necessary skill it's what made kobe, MJ come up big in the playoffs compared to someone like harden who was used to playing one way

[@SevenmilePoncho]

@@jonnstewart2023 it’s about results idc if you do the same thing if it work it work if versatility work cool versatility don’t mean better

[@Wedonewithlebalco]

Kareem pts drop way more then wilts because wilt standard was 40 in regular season then drop to lets say 30 . But kareem would have 34 regular season then it drop to 24 same 10 pt drop off but his 24 is more disappointing because it’s not close to 40 like wilt . Even though they didn’t count wilt off boards it was evident he grab more offensive rebounds then anyone

[@haroldmccoy6748]

The game was played at a insanely higher pace in Wilts era in his prime years ,the players drinking ,shooting ,shot selection and coaching play schematics drastically limited them in Kareem's tenure ,this Wilt and many players of his all-star prototype achieved generational accelerated stats . Kareem actually remained closer then Wilt in past prime years to offensive scoring .Kareem would have scorched opposing teams at the same video game manner as Wilt .

[@austinhowser7838]

Kareem has a better playoff scoring average

[@nicksmh3565]

@@haroldmccoy6748 Idk about that yes the league had its advantages but don't you think Kareem is in faster paced era and is taking more shots he would even less efficient plus handchecking and physicality was worse for centers I mean don't understand how people this greats take advantage of their era wilt did the thing except he could quite literally do it in any era because he was fast like a guard, He made the fallaway jumper same shit dirk used and got him a championship wilt did that plus wilt had a hook, fingerrolls and dipper dunks also cant forget his free throw line dunk which he used so much they had to ban it so from what am hearing is that this guy is so offensively dominant to the point where not only rules had to change because of him also teams had to change so it was a similar situation to shaq but imo it was worse for the league because he had so much things he could abuse and the league took it away yet he still averaged 30 points a game for his entire career and to further my point individually you cant not say kareem was better than wilt on defense either i mean wilt is the only person in nba history to block the most unguardable shot with him being 34 years old with an injury and go back at tapes wilt was keeping up with guards with that same injury, Kareem is the better all around player without a doubt but individually the players who is better than wilt Imo is Jordan and possibly Kobe

[@SpaceJawn]

How is Kareem a better passer than Wilt who lead the league in assists one year?

[@tylersantiago8620]

Talking about their different peaks Wilt became a better passer later in his career earlier in his career his Playmaking was a detriment to his team success

[@j.isbell03]

By that logic, Westbrook is a better passer than Jokic because he led the league in assists.

[@SpaceJawn]

@@j.isbell03 no because Jokic has examples of high assist Totals Kareem does not

[@MarzTalksSports]

the same way bill walton clears wilt as a passer

[@martelljhixson]

He cooked you on the Kobe thing lol

[@everythingknicks391]

Higher offensive motor vs a a dide that averaged 50 ??? Ok

[@Anonymityfan]

West was great but I honestly don't think it's fair to simply adjust West's scoring, Wilt had the athleticism to play 48 minutes

[@beboiapesta881]

How do say kareem was a better passer when he averaged 10 ast in a season wtf

[@Anonymityfan]

Wilt was seemingly more talented but couldn't maintain it in the playoffs and had much worse longevity so I would put Kareem over Wilt (both offensively and overall).

[@mikebriggs1234]

You’re delusional Kareem got 5 rings as a laker because of magic statistically wilt destroys Kareem

[@Leacythegreat]

Wilt lead league in assists

[@chaunceysaunders3907]

You cannot discount the facts

[@kris9145]

These dudes love to say wilt dropped in the playoffs but his 67 playoff run where he won his first chip, he averaged like 29 rebounds, 21 points and 9 assists, that's career highs for most other players

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

Also like 10 blocks lil

[@kris9145]

@@JohnnyRodgers3 yea if they counted blocks before wilt retired he probably would have averaged a triple double for his entire career

[@tyreseclement7339]

Omg didn’t y’all do this title already no he not they played each other it’s film

[@TisGOBBLEdeGOOK]

These espn filtered out stat narratives

[@mikebriggs1234]

Wilt > Kareem no comparison

[@thebxsavage]

I had to turn this off two minutes in because of how uninformed the conversation was. Wilt Chamberlain is the single most dominant force the NBA has ever seen.

[@BabyBoiireacts]

bro wilt is a better scorer and player than kareem , but him on the lakers team with majic they winning 7 rings !!!

[@kofig8357]

He’s not a better player than Kareem 💀

[@deetheoriginal3117]

He’s Not A Better Player

[@BabyBoiireacts]

@@kofig8357 tell me how kareem better than wilt ??

[@BabyBoiireacts]

@@deetheoriginal3117 tell me how karrem better than wilt??!

[@Abbad1579]

@@BabyBoiireactsKareem is a better scorer and passer.

[@ReallyGotMotion]

W Marz 11:55

[@Anonymityfan]

Dub's top 10 has a crazy recency bias. Steph at 10 and KD at 8!? no Wilt or Bill Russell, I suppose that's why he has LeBron over MJ

[@anselmaule865]

Wilt was on his way out.

[@guccisantanaaa7661]

Wilt has better defense

[@therealkid617]

DA NUMBERS

[@sj4632]

Kareem was better. He played in a tougher era and scored more, won more accolades.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

What do you mean tougher era? Half of the worlds best players were in the ABA. The 1970’s is weakest era of all time lol

[@ektran4205]

efficient shooting isn't the same as efficient scoring

[@naturalimmunity7007]

Kareem was better period.

[@marlowstanfield6815]

Why do yall only talk about offense? Why don't yall compare players as a whole?

[@dariuswilliams3206]

Because they do that all the time. They rarely do the only offense thing here.

[@marlowstanfield6815]

@@dariuswilliams3206 offense is all i see them talk about

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@marlowstanfield6815 its been a talking point the last few weeks

[@3PTBall]

The stat guys having a stat-off is nasty yet they claim they aren’t stat guys

[@MarzTalksSports]

the only stats you heard was scoring volume and efficiency,is that too statistical for you?

[@qupope6955]

Marz has never claimed that he has never used stats😂

[@Ricooooo2r]

You might just be too idiotic to understand stats unfortunately.😔😔

[@qupope6955]

@@MarzTalksSports come on Marz you know a majority of the people on here us ppg and fg% and call it a day😂

[@3PTBall]

@@MarzTalksSports Im not anti-stat, I think it’s funny you don’t consider yourself a stat guy. I think you’re good at this . But I’ll cook you anytime, any place.

[@coogibandanna]

Marz go play with legos bro

[@AquariusLeviathanProphecy]

100 pts many players came close? MJ 54 pts Melo 62 pts Kobe 81 LeBron 61 pts i say Wilt RIP 🙏👨🏾

[@Clipwilsonbeats]

Mj is 69

[@dododump3144]

Single game scores doesn’t make you a better player

[@JAWrightonline]

David Thompson (Michael's idol) put in 73 one afternoon in 1978 regular season finale. Everyone figured he had the scoring title that year...until George Gervin poured in 63 later that night.

[@martelljhixson]

Bruh these stat dummies are annoying....plus 10 vs plus 6. You cant judge an individual based on that ish.

[@MarzTalksSports]

calling us dummies cos u cant comprehend why being a clear positive in terms of efficiency is valuable is ironic

[@vombatusIRL]

@@MarzTalksSports wait a second, I just saw a comment from this guy earlier. He thought you were talking about PLUS MINUS LMAO

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@vombatusIRL yeah hes dumb

[@vombatusIRL]

@@MarzTalksSports man just keep doing what you’re doing bruh, these people are just ignorant.

[@h2g__dagoat768]

No magic and No Russell in any top 10 is egregious.

[@gregoryhathcock2160]

The fact that they have the nerve to say jokic is better than Kareem Olajuwon and Shaq showed me that none of these fools know nothing about basketball

[@kman3928]

They never said he was better than them.

[@anthonywashington2197]

FACTS!!!

[@pointsur67]

This is too funny! WILT WILL DESTROY KAREEM. Kareem even said that! Wilt met a young Kareem after a couple of knee surgeries. You young dudes have no clue as to HOW STRONG Wilt was. He was stronger than Shaq! The metrics you all are basing this on is a bit skewed. Understand that Wilt was always on cruise control when he played. Also, he had to face the Celtics with Bill Russell. That team is widely regarded as the greatest team in NBA history. He never stood a chance. Also, the finals points margin was a total of nine points! It could have gone either way! Wilt STOPPED scoring in the second half of his career. He became a passing center. Bill Russell once stated, "You know Wilt, I think that I am the only person on the planet that knows how really good you are." For your boy to NOT have Wilt in his top ten??? He's smoking some good ish! I watched Wilt play. Wilt is the FIRST one I'm picking. Even Kobe said "Wilt, Me, and Mike!" "Don't forget the list!" Wilt played against 40 players that were 6'11" and up. about twelve were 7 feet, two were 7'1", three were 7'2", and ONE was 7'3"(Swede Halbrook) NONE of them could do anything with Wilt physically. If he faced Kareem in his prime, he would run him to death, just like Shaq. His stamina was unmatched. Alex Hannum was the coach that was pivotal in Wilt's new offensive look. He trusted his teammates more and shot less. That is Why he won in 1972.

[@brandonvanenburg1902]

Kareem is the better offensive player. Wilt was just stat padding in the fastest-paced era where teams took the most shots in NBA history and had the most possessions. Add to the fact that he averaged 45.8 is also why his stats look better than they actually are.

[@martelljhixson]

Nah....Wilt could score in everyway and had harder comp.

[@marqueswilliams345]

@@martelljhixson lol Wilt didn’t have harder competition compared to Kareem

[@TisGOBBLEdeGOOK]

You sound uninformed

[@desanoxia]

​@@marqueswilliams345 half of the world's best players were in the ABA there's def an argument to be made

[@Wuke04]

@@martelljhixson wilt couldnt score from the free throw line to save his life

[@mindeyethemasterscreen2712]

In the same minutes played Kareem totalled more points than Wilt and was more accurate than Wilt from both the Field and at the Free Throw line in both the regular season and the playoffs and even more insane Kareem took less shots. So Kareem was easily the better offensive player.

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

This is very misleading...take the 1st 7 years of wilts career where he was ASKED to score...and compare to to Kareems 7 highest scoring seasons...also offense is more than scorint

[@mindeyethemasterscreen2712]

@@JohnnyRodgers3 SHOT ATTEMPTS. Wilt - 35,359 Kareem - 34, 279 POINTS. Wilt - 31,419pts. Kareem - 35,108pts. Kareem was way better than Wilt even if they asked him to score more he can't do it better than Kareem.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@mindeyethemasterscreen2712 That’s misleading since free throws don’t count as shot attempts. To be fair to Wilt, when he lowered his scoring volume ahis efficiency dramatically increased. The 1966-67 season he averaged 24.1 ppg on a 68.3% FG. Only Nikola jokic has been able to replicate that volume on that efficiency.

[@mindeyethemasterscreen2712]

@@NothingElseMattersJM Free throws count towards your total points so yes they count towards your total shots and besides remove free throws and Kareem still has more points than Wilt he made more field goals than Wilt because he's a better scorer than Wilt.

[@mindeyethemasterscreen2712]

@@NothingElseMattersJM When you put it into perspective Wilt shot at 57.9% including FT% that year where Kareem averages 60.1% for he's entire career. Wilt ain't even close.

[@princespointofview3381]

Uh oh… it’s the Nasty Boyz LoL Marz L (dub)

[@alphabrother6823]

I see this in the same way as a James Harden vs Steph or Luka. Prime Harden was an offensive force to be reckoned with the the regular season, but just dipped in the playoffs whereas Steph and Luka get better

[@benjaminan1183]

Steph's never been as good for a postseason as he was in the 16 or 21 regular season.

[@alphabrother6823]

@@benjaminan1183 there’s more to offense than ppg.

[@peterguidry6084]

The reason Harden dipped in the playoffs is because he couldn't adapt well to the fact the Refs swallowed their whistle and didn't call fouls the same way they called it in the regular season. Although you can blame Harden for this and say he used to bait fouls....I disagree with the notion of calling the game one way, and then changing up in the playoffs and calling the game differently. There should be one consistent standard the whole way through...reg Season and playoffs. This is basketball... a foul is a foul....and within the rules a travel is a travel, carry is a carry....no matter what time of yr it is.

[@alphabrother6823]

@@peterguidry6084 it wasn’t just baiting fouls, bro. During a 7 game series, teams can adjust to that heliocentric style of play. Now, opponents might not have succeeded most the time, hence the WCF appearances and even going to a game 7 in 2018, but there was also a clear dip in FG%, both from 3 and the field. And that’s kind of my point too with the Wilt vs Kareem thing. Make all the excuses you want for Wilt to apologize for his inability to translate, but clearly there are players who were able to do it better than he could, such as Kareem

[@peterguidry6084]

@alphabrother6823 yea but Harden fg% never was really great and he got probably an extra 10 pts or so from the Freethrow line. This was Harden's style of play....it froze the game, got Harden more points and at the same time, got opponents in foul trouble. My Argument is don't change the whistle Be consistent. But yes other players were able to adapt to the change...better than others.

[@benjaminan1183]

KAJ>Wilt offensively for me, easily better scorer.

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

How bc of ft?

[@JAWrightonline]

@@JohnnyRodgers3 Kareem won games and forced overtime by making free throws. Did Wilt (or Shaq)? Because of that, you could go to Kareem throughout the ENTIRE COURSE of the game.

[@benjaminan1183]

@@JohnnyRodgers3 He was a better shot creator and put up more efficient numbers that increased in the postseason.

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

@@benjaminan1183 prove that he was a better shot creator

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

@@benjaminan1183 I think that wilt was a better shot creator...I think he was better in every aspect of the game besides ft...now prove me wrong🤷🏾‍♂️

[@you1pop]

This seemed like a LOW VS Marz video, the other 2 wasn't even needed in video

[@Fizzyphafacts]

Wilt chamberlain is the best to play any sport. Wilt averaged 30 a game

[@johnnyd1824]

So did Jordan who has the highest career ppg average in NBA history.

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

What else does Jordan lead the NBA in...stat wise🤔well wilt is tied for ppg...he leads in rebounds...would lead in block shots....and and is the only center to lead in APG

[@johnnyd1824]

@@JohnnyRodgers3 How does Wilt only have two rings?

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

@@JohnnyRodgers3 MJ did it in less minutes with less possessions

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

@@NothingElseMattersJM more fg attempts tho on average and prolly wayyyy higher usage rate....

[@patsnation8427]

Wilt better offensively and Marz know damn well Kareem wasn't a better passer.

[@kingad8869]

Yall clearly haven't seen early Kareem pass. Also Wilt has zero bag.

[@MarzTalksSports]

kareem was easily a better passer to me

[@patsnation8427]

@@kingad8869 Wilt lead the league in assists before and that wasn't an accident either. And him having zero bag still got him 30k. Most players with A BAG OF MOVES won't even get to 25k

[@patsnation8427]

@@MarzTalksSports Wilt is imo

[@kingad8869]

@Pats Nation He lead the league in assist because he's a statpadder and a ballstopper i.e. Rondo on the kings. Also the pace was crazy high and 50% of the league qualifies for plumber status.

[@Dologaming24]

As soon as Low brought up the competition for Wilt and Kareem the first thing I thought of was Jokic vs Kobe and Shaq. I’m so glad Marz went there. Killed Low lol there’s no way Jokic Is the best offensive player all time.

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

Wilt faced similar levels, if not better, but he played against the b st centers more because the league was smaller

[@Dologaming24]

@@JohnnyRodgers3 I’m not saying whether or not Wilt played better competition. It’s just Interesting how he thought of competition for this debate because the numbers weren’t In his favor this time. However, with Jokic vs everyone else from previous eras they only look at numbers, without the context of competition.

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

@@Dologaming24 just for the sake of fun debat Give me your top 20 players of the last 15 years and I will give players from the wilt chamberlain era

[@Dologaming24]

@@JohnnyRodgers3 all active players during that time, or only players who entered the league the last 15yrs?

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

@@Dologaming24 active players and ig Ill do the same

[@NoName-yz9px]

Kareem’s playoff efficiency actually raised in the playoffs to 53% vs 49% in the regular season for his career. Wilt’s offensive peak was more or less regular season it’s like a peyton manning vs Tom Brady type of conversation.

[@chrilpy]

Kareem shot 56% in the regular season. Idk where you got 49 from

[@averyb.476]

Yeah where are you getting those numbers from. Most players efficiency drops in the playoffs in general due to tougher defense plus they can scheme against you in a series

[@NoName-yz9px]

Correction Kareem shot 55.9% in the regular season & shot 53.3% in the playoffs apologies on the 49% that was his all star game stats, but never the less we Talkin bout a drop off of 2.6% where if you look up Wilt’s field goal percentage it’s a 2% drop off in the regular season vs the playoffs as well.

[@averyb.476]

@user-jb3nh9np6n thats so close and minor not even worth comparing in my opinion. LOW and Marz always talking about dropping in the playoffs efficiency. But MJ, Lebron, Kobe and Kareem all did. Im sure mad others did too for the reasons I already mentioned

[@NoName-yz9px]

It’s stupid to me wilt has god level regular season stats he scored 4k points in 1 season I understand but in the playoffs in his prime he got keyed in on and ultimately lost more times than not.

[@hooprealm]

Bro said Kareem is a better passer then wilt 😂😂 yoy can’t make this up

[@howitzdone8992]

Led the league in assists is your only argument

[@hooprealm]

@@howitzdone8992 he led the lakers to a championship being a rebounding passer mostly … wilt chamberlain was much more overall player then Kareem that’s not a debate buddy

[@howitzdone8992]

@@hooprealm being a rebounding passer 😂 u got it guaranteed u didn’t watch a second of that finals run

[@hooprealm]

@@howitzdone8992 look at his usual ppg vs that year/ series …. Waiting on some knowledge ….

[@TheIcemanthomas]

Kareem was a dominant scorer overall no matter the circumstance and his scoring translated to winning basketball. It’s no coincidence that wilts teams and quality of success got better after he STOPPED scoring so much. It’s like if u asked prime kg to average 40. Sure he could do it but would u rather him focus on defense and rebounding and surround him with other good offensive players to maximize his versatility. Your offense would be much greater with kg averaging less and being a Swiss Army knife who scored when needed rather than him taking a bunch of shots just because that just wasn’t the most effective way to use him. And it’s the same with wilt. The volume scoring never truly helped his team win. Soon as he took on a different role, his team was historically DOMINANT. Kareem on the other hand was just a more effective scorer overall, a more skilled player in the post, he got better in the playoffs, and he could fit well next to other great players without having to completely change his game. Kareem offensively.

[@losboski4876]

Good come back marz

[@squashua7222]

Kareem was definitely not a better passer lmfao wtf are they talking about check the stats cowboy.

[@MarzTalksSports]

watch film

[@blackjesus6433]

Bruh Wilt has the 2nd most scoring titles and the 2nd highest PPG in NBA history! That makes him the 2nd greatest scorer ever! 🤦🏾‍♂️ 🙏🏾

[@lukacalov1988]

Wilt avg 8 APG they cappin

[@jonnstewart2023]

For one year, and look at how he played that year, he only did that cuz he kept hearing he was selfish and was so hellbent on proving people wrong that he became too passive and would pass when he had open shots just to make a point, that's not good offense that's being petty,

[@JAWrightonline]

@@jonnstewart2023 "Wilt had rabbit ears. If people were saying all he did was dunk, all you saw was the fadeaway. If people said he couldn't pass, next game all you'd see Wilt do was pass. If his dribbling was criticized, he'd make it a point to bounce the ball."--Hall of Fame football star Jim Brown.

[@naturalimmunity7007]

The one who could hit his FTs

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

I'ma take the one who averaged 10 block triple doubles

[@naturalimmunity7007]

@@JohnnyRodgers3 and lose

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

@@naturalimmunity7007 kind of like Kareem without a hot pg or Jordan without Phil Jackson or Scottie pippen...funny what good teammates can do for a team

[@naturalimmunity7007]

@@JohnnyRodgers3 Kareem scored rebounded and won MVPs wth or without a great pg

[@thequiethypemedia]

I’m taking Kareem ngl

[@ztoolietv3720]

Magic is better than Bird easily

[@dewanewelch1744]

Not exactly

[@joshuagiannini5893]

It’s similar to scoring with jordan and lebron Kareem and lebron have no bag when it comes to offensive package they just did it for 20 years Kareem had the hook and good in transition wilt had the finger roll and turn around fade away and went off glass too

[@JAWrightonline]

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had the skyhook, dropsteps, midrange jumper, the transition game, and could make free throws. "Kareem had no bag": The words of a basketball idiot.

[@joshuagiannini5893]

@@JAWrightonline Kareem had no bag NEXT TO WILT he didn’t have a great jumpshot he was good in transition yea cause of magic I think Kareem is great he is top 3 when we talk about bag u talking about ways of scoring while being guarded free throws isn’t a bag it’s called free for a reason Kareem has no dropstep I’m saying he had no bag compared to WILT wilt was 7’1 with a turn around fadeaway and shot off glass had a finger roll and was great in transition without a great pg imagine wilt in transition with a prime magic

[@joshuagiannini5893]

@@JAWrightonline u gonna say lebron has a bag too lebron has no bag compared to jordan they were talking about wilt offensively compared to Kareem and Kareem doesn’t have no bag compared to wilt

[@JAWrightonline]

@@joshuagiannini5893 "Kareem had no dropsteps.": Words of a basketball idiot. Free throws are a part of your bag. Without them you will be exposed. Kareem got out in transition with Greg Smith, Lucious Allen in Milwaukee and with Lucious, Norm Nixon, as well as Magic in L.A. Skyhook, dropsteps, midrange jumper, free throws. Kareem had more scoring options than Wilt. Prime example is found in their respective college careers: Wilt was able to dunk all the time and STILL won zero NCAA Titles. Kareem (Lew Alcindor then) dunked his first year of varsity basketball, dominated and won the NCAA Title. The NCAA banned dunking, he expanded his game, continues to dominate and takes two more. And just for sake of argument, if hook shots were banned, he was so broad in basketball knowledge and skill, he would have gone to something else. Kareem tops Wilt. In their last matchup at the Forum in L.A., Kareem dropped 50 on Wilt--and held him scoreless.

[@JAWrightonline]

@@joshuagiannini5893 I wasn't talking about Bron and Little Mikey. Please leave Michael's sorry ass out of this discussion.

[@losboski4876]

Low, looks silly asf trying to keep Jokic over Kobe debate

[@Tommy-sb9tw]

Why do they keep letting mars get away with using passing and playmaking as 2 separate categories. That’s like giving points for being a better shooter and free throw shooter

[@mindeyethemasterscreen2712]

Because playmaking and passing are 2 different things 🤦

[@dewanewelch1744]

​@@mindeyethemasterscreen2712 not really. You can't be a good play maker without be a good passer. They go hand and hand.

[@mindeyethemasterscreen2712]

@@dewanewelch1744 Not necessarily you can be safe passer and still be a great playmaker John Stockton is the prime example he was nowhere near as skilled as Magic or Jason Kidd at passing the ball but he was a great playmaker.

[@farhansarkar2394]

@@dewanewelch1744 Playmaking is the ability to create opportunities, or in other words create plays for others. While passing is the ability to take advantage of those openings. It isn't the same as shooting and free throw shooting because shooting is a broad term while free throw shooting is a specific skill. A better comparison would be three point shooting and midrange shooting, they are related but not the same.

[@dewanewelch1744]

@@farhansarkar2394 we are not about to make up definitions. If that was the case MJnand Kobe would damnnnear be considered best play makers ever along with Curry.

[@alistiner4200]

If magic ain't any your top 10 you're on drugs

[@naturalimmunity7007]

The one who didn't choke in the playoffs year after year

[@shamrock73]

Wilt was a 7 footer with speed and could get his chest above the rim. Name one player who's been able to do that since Wilt?

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

Not chest but he could definitely touch the top of the back board

[@JAWrightonline]

Manute Bol? 🤔🤔🤔

[@JohnnyRodgers3]

David Robinson and bill Russell

[@johndarko9267]

Lost me at bird over magic these cats are wild.

[@coby4480]

Bird has an argument that I wouldn’t discount. Bird could get his own better than Magic obv but he could also pass at an elite level enough to where it piles up more offensive production on top of his elite scoring.

[@johndarko9267]

@@coby4480 fair enough

[@danielgutierrez7995]

Kareem never lead the league in assists but Wilt did. Also Wilt lead the league in scoring 7 consecutive seasons and he lead the league in fg % 9 times. lets not forget he also scored 100 points in a game before which to this day is STILL an N.B.A record. Im a die hard Laker fan so i like both of these N.B.A legends but u need to look at the facts and when u do that u will understand that although Kareem was insanely good offensively Wilt was better. Defensively its not even close and i have Wilt at #3 on my all time list. Its too bad he only played 14 seasons in the league but he has the second highest scoring average in N.B.A history at 30.0 lets never forget the legend of Wilt Chamberlain and his amazing contributions to basket ball

[@losboski4876]

Low is the Numbers guy.

[@azden4515]

Legend of tacos

[@losboski4876]

These geeks just use numbers