Who Was the Pharaoh of Exodus?

[@IronMatt]

I really appreciate this. Good stuff.

[@ginacross264]

Very interesting, I really enjoyed this!

[@nalcon1]

I really enjoy these podcasts. Apologetics are important to me. Knowing these things are part of defending scripture.

[@hennyberends8521]

Dr Doug Petrovich's work is extremely well researched and very helpful for me to understand the lsraelite sojourn in Egypt

[@garyb.1047]

Did you listen to the podcast and note that we referenced Dr Petrovich? However, he subscribes to a long sojourn view and we interacted with him in this article creation.com/long-sojourn-response. Additionally, he prefers the Septuagint translation as it provides an extra few hundred years which makes it easier to reconcile Egyptian history within the biblical time frame. Again, this is an area we disagree with. See creation.com/Smith-response.

[@Morewecanthink]

@Henry Berends - But - I am sorry having to say that - he isn't strict biblical. Thus only another human opinion. AIG isn't either. But not man decides truth. God's word, the Bible, is truth. According to the Bible in its whole context: Exodus 2513 Anno Hominem = 1606 BC 480 years (594 - 114 years of surpression by enemies = 480) to the 4th year of Salomon = 1012 BC start of building the temple After Salomon's death 1016-40= 976 BC division into Israel and Juda 390 years later 586 BC destruction of Jerusalem and the temple From Kurt Wolfgang Becker, Biblische Chronologie der Menschheitsgeschichte

[@501Mobius]

Ken Kitchen, James Hoffmeier and David Falk believe the Exodus was later around 1265-1245 BC. That way the Merneptah stele (1207 BC) was about the Israelites that were unsettled in the land. Not some people who had 200 years to settle in. Jephthah's date may be anytime between 1110 to 1036 BC if judges were taken sequentially. Also, Garstang recovering an Amenhotep III (ca. 1391-1354 BC) scarab at a Jericho tomb. How does that happen if it was destroyed in 1406 BC?

[@pureruckuspower2165]

​@501Mobius I believe this as well. Dr Faulk has shown considerable evidence that convinces me the later date fits more.

[@garyb.1047]

Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.

[@krisv001]

Very interesting video!

[@thywordhidden]

This is really good! Thank you.

[@katjaschikulla8057]

Tut Moses the 3th , was the Pharaoh of the Exodus . Digging Up The Past ( Francios du Plessis ) hi is very known legible on this specific topic. A must see 28 videos of Biblical history. What a walk true the word of God. AMAZING !!!

[@garyb.1047]

As we said, everybody reads and subscribes to a magic bullet solution. Dogmatism has no place in this subject area. Lay knowledge on the subject can lead one to thinking that a certain researcher has all the answers, simply because one does not know any better. Thutmoses III cannot be the Pharaoh of The Exodus because T3 was a firstborn son and did not die

[@JustNeil1]

Amenhotep 2 was the pharaoh of Exodus. The Exodus happened around 1446 BC that was within his 27 year reign during that time. The predecessor was Thutmose 3 his reign was 54 years and that fits in the timeline for Moses fleeing to Midian for forty years and the return of Moses after the death of the Pharaoh Thutmose 3. These pharaohs fit chronologically within the Bible. 1 Kings 6:1, Judges 11:26 and Acts 7.

[@JescaML]

How. He reign 20 years after when it says he died at the crossing Plus Amenhotep II was his first born son who became pharaoh when it should be the second born son because of the plagues

[@JescaML]

@@JustNeil1Thutmose III was pharaoh in 1445 and reign 20 years. Amenhotep II was his first born son so that doesn’t quite fit

[@FaithfulTrueJesus]

Thank you! This is so interesting! Are you planning to make a documental about this? I have "Patterns of Evidence: Exodus." But, you are covering additional information that it 's very interesting. It would be nice to have a documental based in your book, "Tour Egypt", and all what you talk in this program. I would love to have all this in a DVD! Sorry my English!

[@garyb.1047]

Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.

[@FaithfulTrueJesus]

Thank you so much. I will be reading these articles@@garyb.1047

[@mustangdru]

As a Christian and an Egyptologist David Rohls revised time line makes the most sense. Dudimose is the most likely candidate for the Pharoah of the Exodus.

[@rilosvideos877]

I also thaught about the Name of 'Thutmosis' if it had eventually to do with Moses living that time. It comes out 'Thutmosis' means 'giving birth to Thot', Thot beeing an ancient godess of the egypt with the ibis face (a moon god). So, maybe 'Mosis' was just a famous name that time, actually meaning 'to pull out/draw out' (of water, of the mothers womb). I absolutely agree with Amenhotep II. being the Pharao of the Exodus, it makes absolutely sense!

[@rangersNHL]

I have a honest question. How can Amenhotep be Pharaoh of the exodus, if the exodus was in 1446 B.C.? Wasn’t Thutmoses 2 the Pharaoh at that time? Trying to square it. Thanks

[@rilosvideos877]

@@rangersNHL neither the year of the exodus is absolutely clear nor the dates of the pharao, the latter surely more precise than the first.

[@eliburges-short2952]

Fascinating

[@elijahhodges4405]

The evidence is good. The information fits. I believe you have the right Pharaoh for the Exodus.

[@TheReptileBloke]

Very interesting.

[@matthewstump7563]

If we go by the exodus of 1446 Moses would've been born in 1526 and would've placed the Exodus during the Thutmosis II era. He cannot be the Exodus Pharaoh because Hatsheput would be the "Daughter of the Pharaoh". She was born in 1507 which would make Moses 19 years old at her birth and couldn't have been a baby for her to pull from the Nile. I believe the Exodus was 440 years like the Septuagint Bible claims. Here are the dates of the Pharaohs: Seqenenra 1558-1554 (4 years) Kamose 1555-1550 (5 years) Ahmose 1550-1525 (25 years) Amenhotep I 1541-1520 (21 years) Thutmose I 1520-1492 (28 years) Thutmose II 1492-1479 (13 years) Hatshepsut 1479-1458 (21 years) Thutmose III 1479-1425 (54 years) Ahmenhotep II 1425-1400 (25 years) The only "daughter of the Pharaoh" that is plausible from Thutmose I to Ahmenhotep II is Hatshepsut. If we go by the 440 for the Exodus it would put it at 1407. Moses would've been born in 1487, which is 19 years after Hatshepsut was born. She would've been 19, which would make sense that she saved Moses. She was desperate for a son because by that time she only had a Daughter named Neferure who was born in 1498. I believe when Moses returned to her she stopped being the regent and proclaimed herself as the Pharaoh so nobody would question the fact she had a young son. Thutmosis III would've no doubt been trying to find a way to get Moses because Hatshepsut was trying to make him Pharaoh as her son. They think she died in 1458, but I think she was so sick at that time that Thutmose III finally took over and she died a few years later in 1447, when Moses killed the guard and fled. Thutmosis III was now free to eliminate Moses because Hatshepsut died and wasn't Pharaoh anymore to protect him. Ahmenhotep II was born around 1445 so he would not have known about Moses and would be the Pharaoh of the Exodus in 1407. The 480 years depicted in the Bible would correlate with the time Moses left Egypt to begin his journey in saving the Hebrews.

[@phillipnapper-b6y]

At last. the princess was daughter of Amose1 that dislodged the Hiksos. hatshepsut was her niece born 19 years later. this princess was most probably AMOSE therefore moses got his name as in egyptian language mose means son of. exodus pharoah was Tutmoses 111. there is a man called senenmut at the same time . senenmut means respected older brother. 19 years older eh. both hatshepsut and senenmut were erased by tutmose 3. senenmut was moses

[@chrisgilbert956]

Has anyone considered the oddities of Tutankamen's tomb and apparently swift burial? Might he be the firstborn son of Pharaoh killed in the 10th plague?

[@cmikeatonhalley7080]

King Tut was actually ruling as Pharaoh for a time. This doesn't match the death of the Exodus pharaoh's firstborn. And it would make Akhenaten the pharaoh who Moses opposed, a conjecture which has almost nothing going for it.

[@chrisgilbert956]

@@cmikeatonhalley7080 How do they know he actually ruled? Or was he a crowned Prince, so treated and attired as such?

[@cmikeatonhalley7080]

@@chrisgilbert956 That sounds like a question my friends Wikipedia and Google can help you with. :)

[@chrisgilbert956]

@@cmikeatonhalley7080 I guess the question is "Is the information all of us have been told accurate?" How would we ever truly know since none of us were around several thousand years ago to witness this, and there really is no indication from Tut's tomb that he actually ruled anything. He was obviously beloved, and royal. His status was to rule...but did he? This is not verified except in current tradition. He apparently died and was buried rather quickly and even his golden mask with the gold filled pierced ears puts into question, "Whose face mask was this?" Since adult royal males did not have pierced ears in that time. His tomb was not decorated as most Kings, and the unidentifiable microbial spots are an interesting feature. I am just questioning "status quo" information, curious.

[@garyb.1047]

@@chrisgilbert956 Chris, you are engaging in really unwarranted speculation. We know that Tut actually did reign as a king. Howard Carter was specifically looking for his tomb as it was one of the ones that had not been found, and Egyptian records show he reigned as a king. There are lots of artifacts that depict him as a king with the double crown of Egypt. I recommend getting our Tour Egypt booklet creation.com/s/10-2-664 as it will lay out in more detail. Tut, and in particular, his father, do not fit the biblical evidence/descriptions for any of the pharaohs during the time of the Exodus. Although Egyptian history is inflated, one cannot simply play fast and loose and pick some character or event and shoehorn it into biblical history. Yes, Tut was likely hastily buried but probably because he died suddenly from either a chariot accident or malaria. This is why his tomb and burial artifacts were not likely finished in time.

[@henryschmit3340]

Apparently the Exodus took place at dawn on the 17th of March 1450 BC. Tutmose the 3rd was the Pharoah that drowned on that date - according to Walter Veith in a video titled 'A Spade Unearths the Truth' at a channel called 'Amazing Discoveries'. The mummy that is now in his tomb is that of a younger man (a servant?) because the body of the Pharoah, who would have been about 80 years old, could not be recovered.

[@creationministriesintl]

Frankly, to be that specific is not credible and it would make us suspicious about the rest of the alleged 'research'. Golden rule..if it sounds to good to be true, it usually is.

[@henryschmit3340]

Mr Josh... there are many opinions...

[@Morewecanthink]

Exodus according to the Bible: 2513 Anno Hominem = 1606 BC

[@martinportelance138]

@@creationministriesintl It has to coincide with the current Jewish holidays I guess.

[@danielrutschman4618]

What time was dawn on that day, and was that Eastern or Pacific time?

[@rangersNHL]

I do have a question, very honest and sincere. When did the exodus occur? 1445? Did Thutmoses 3 reign during that time? How could his son be the one that lived during the exodus of Israel? Trying to square this. There are those that think Thutmose 3 was ruler during exodus

[@martynmettam9296]

I particularly found the section on the non naming of the Pharaoh interesting and validating that Moses was indeed the author of Exodus at least.

[@martinportelance138]

Could Moses describe his own death?

[@danielrutschman4618]

I'm not an expert, but I've listened to a lot of people who are. Although various different arguments can be made based on particular interpretations of the evidence, in my own opinion, Amenhotep II makes the most sense as the Pharaoh of the Exodus by being the best overall fit.

[@Lightning77305]

100% right!

[@Morewecanthink]

Exodus according to strict biblical chronology 2513 Anno Hominem 1606 BC (13th dynasty) [Times of Judges (594 without surpression of the enemies 114 =) 480 = 1012 BC Salomo starts building the temple Dividig of the empire in Israel and Juda 976 BC - 390 = 586 BC destruction of the temple and Jerusalem.

[@garyb.1047]

Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.

[@kquinn856]

Who was the Pharaoh of the Exodus in 1446 BC? And did his firstborn son die in the 10th Plague? The first thing you must remember when trying to figure out who the Pharaoh of the Exodus was? Is that the Pharaoh whose daughter pulled the baby Moses out the Nile River when he was three months old; and the Pharaoh sitting on the throne when Moses killed the Egyptian soldier at age 40; and the Pharaoh that Moses stood in front of demanding that he: “Let God’s people go!” when he was 80, could have been two or three different Pharaohs Exodus 12:29-30 says. "At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the prisoner who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the livestock. Pharaoh arose in the night, he and all his officials and all the Egyptians; and there was a loud cry in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead." You would think there would be a note in Egyptian history mentioning the death of Pharaoh's son. Manetho was a 3rd. Century BC. historian born in Egypt that translated the sacred Egyptian historical records into the Greek language. There is no doubt that Manetho wrote about the Israelites because he describes a people whose leader was called Moses who were slaves in Egypt, and went out of the country and afterwards settled in the country which is now called Judea, and there built Jerusalem and its Temple. Monetto says that these people took their journey from Egypt during the reign of Aminifist the King of Egypt. Aminifist is the Greek form of the Egyptian name Amenhotep. So in Josephus we are given a quote from Monetho where he names Amenhotep the Pharaoh of the Exodus; this is a huge discovery. Pharaoh Amenhotep’s mummy was covered in boils from head to toe. Did Pharaoh Amenhotep's firstborn son die in the 10th plague? King Tut was the first born son of Pharaoh Akhenaten (also known as Amenhotep III). All we know is that the boy King died suddenly, some time during the 18th dynasty. In 1886 Gaston Maspero discovered the mummy of Pharaoh Thutmose II and it was covered with scabs and scars that resemble boils, from head to toe. It has also been said that his body was fished out of the sea and mummified, and that the cysts were part of the plagues of boils which Egypt had suffered at the time of Moses. Thutmose II was the son of Amenhotep, but he was not his firstborn son. In Egyptian, the name means “the moon is born” but in Hebrew, Ahmose (אח משה) translated means “the brother of Moses. And in 2007 a team of medical experts led by Egyptologist Dr. Zahi Hawass conducted cat scans on the mommy of Queen Hachatsut the wife of Thutmose II and her body was covered head to toe in scarring left by boils. This is proof that Amenhotep, Thutmose II and his wife Queen Hachatsut experienced the 10 plagues mentioned in Exodus, and that Amenhotep’s first born son King Tut died at an early age. Amenhotep III was the father of King Tut also known as (Tutankhamun). Amenhotep had two red granite lion statues carved and placed at his temple in the south of Egypt at Soleb. Tutankhamun had a section of text added to the statues in which he explicitly calls Amenhotep his father. Recent DNA analyses on the mummies of King Tut and his kin revealed that the boy king’s parents were siblings. The results were published in the journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) in February 2010 point to the fact that king Akhenaten (Amenhotep) and one of his sisters were the mom and dad of Tut Zahi Hawass head of Egypt’s Supreme Council of Antiquities, the lead investigator of the DNA genetic testing done on King Tut and 10 other mummies during the period of Tut's dynasty said: “Tut could have been the son of Amenhotep III, a successful and popular king of the 18th Dynasty, who was later known as Akhenaten.” For more information see: Moses Red Sea Crossing and the Ark of the Covenant. Click here: Moses Red Sea Crossing and the Ark of the Covenant

[@dinoropen3176]

Could you do a video on Egyptian jackals vs pterosaurs, Herodotus, Philastratus, and cultures around the world referencing "dinosaurs" and creatures?

[@martinportelance138]

Sure would be intriguing. Have you seen the 10000 BC movie?

[@kamj1969]

For the dating of the exodus, you have to use the lunar calendar because in those days which is during the Egyptian new kingdom period the Jews used the true lunar calendar and had not adopted the unisolar calendar which was a later adoption during the Roman period which adjusted the lunar calendar to the Gregorian solar calendar. So when you say 480 years it refers to 480 lunar years because the Old Testament were written prior to the Roman period. It gives you a different date which is 14.5 years shorter. So instead of 1446BC it becomes 1431BC. Using Breasted shorter dating for Egyptian chronology, this is close to the end of the reign of Thutmoses iii one of the greatest warrior kings of ancient Egypt.

[@martinportelance138]

It sure is worth some consideration.

[@garyb.1047]

Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.

[@siegistic]

It would be nice for you to cover akenahten (sp?). Especially due to people saying the Bible copied his monotheism. And that one of his songs sounds at least partly like a psalm from the Bible. Clearly Moses came before akenaten. But the psalms came later from around the time of david. I would love it if you covered that. :) Thank you for educating us and defending the faith.

[@martinportelance138]

What Akhenaten brought isn't monotheism, but rather monolatrism, that is, putting a single god above all others in its pantheon. I believe Akhenaten had a big influence on the Canaanites that lived in the Goshen, and there IMO, lies the true Exodus, an ideological one. Because Akhenaten's "Amarna times" were then reversed by Pharaohs that came later, maybe the monolatric followers were persecuted as well, forcing their departure eastward. As an admitted bible minimalist, I can't accept the Exodus with a magnitude such as it is described in the Bible, for many obvious reasons but the main one is that it just doesn't fit with what acheology has proved today. An early Exodus, for exemple, contradicts the Amarna letters and even the Merneptah stele (around 1210 BC) that describes Israel as a bunch of nomadic herders, not an invincible, 225 years-old, god-backed empire right in the heart of what was an Egyptian zone of control at the time. One more thing: Why do bible "scholars" never take into account the Bronze Age Collapse, from 1190 BC on? It was just an event that ended or greatly weakened all great civilisations of the time and forced humanity into a 200 years-long, illiterate dark age you see. Don't you think that this event had nothing to do with Israel becoming a valid political entity?

[@garyb.1047]

Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.

[@JescaML]

The only problem I see with 1445 being the date of the crossing is the pharaoh at this time is Thutmose III who reign from 1458-1425. 1445 is 13 years before the crossing and 20 years after. But he co-ruled with his stepmother from 1479 until her death in 1458 which is 21 years before he took control. It says the pharaoh and his men died at the crossing. So all in total he ruled 54 years until his death in 1425. The crossing should have ended his reign as it says they all died. Plus for Moses to be raised as part of the royal family would mean the daughter of the Pharaoh should not have any sons to claim him but the daughter would have to be co-ruler as well.

[@gregonwum8813]

Scholars have debated on the events of exodus and the pharaoh reigning during that time (Meyers 2005). The exodus pharaoh was called Merneptah or Mernuptah .. (Igbo language: mere nuputa oha, meaning... 'accomplished the expulsion of the masses') was born in 1273 B.C., ruled from 1213-1203 B.C. at fourth ruler of the 19th Dynasty of the Ancient Egypt. He was the son of Rameses II ( Igbo language: Orie mee isi osa, meaning ' Almighty God made him head of the masses'). His title denote that he accomplished the exodus during his reign. I would suggest that the exodus occurred about 1210 B.C. This supports the narrative that the exodus took place in the (13th- 11th centuries B.C.)

[@martinportelance138]

It is an interesting angle, but I am not sure Pharaos were named after events they didn't even accomplished yet.

[@gregonwum8813]

@@martinportelance138 Pharaohs are what the people called their Head rulers. Pharaoh (Igbo language: 'e fere oha' meaning 'your worship of the people'.). Pharaoh Rameses II (Igbo language: Orie mee isi osa, meaning 'God Almighty made him head of the people') (ca. 1391-1351 B.C.) at fisrt contested with Moses. However, it was his successor son, Pharaoh Merenptah (Igbo language: o mere nuputa oha, meaning 'he accomplished the Exodus of the people') who reigned ca 1213-1203 B.C., who accomplished the Exodus about 1210 B.C. the people were expelled from the city of Qena (Igbo language: kwaa naa, meaning 'pack and go') and they went through the way called Nag Hammadi (Igbo language: a na-aga ihu ama Ama edu, meaning 'they walked along the wayof the Divine Wisdom that leads') heading for El-Kharga (Igbo language: ala oke ohere a gaa, meaning "the land at the border valley they passed through') oasis. They crossed the city ofThebes (Igbo language: otu oha ede Ose, meaning "united people of the place of Almighty God') to get to the border town called Kom Ombo (Igbo language: oke ama mbo, meaning 'the border settlement'). they cross the Channels called Aswan (Igbo language: isi owa enu, meaning ' the upper channel') to the other side towards the temple at Deir el-Haggar (igbo language: Ede Eri, e lee Iho, a go ago Orie, meaning ' the cross of the Ancient of Days, look at the Divine Light, make divinations to the Almighty God') to pray for strength. The El-Kharga is the southernmost of Egypt's five western oases also known as Al- Kharijah (Igbo language: ala oke ohere ije oha, meaning 'the land at the border valley en-route of the people'). This Igbo name fits the description of its location in the Libyan Desert, about 200km to the west of the Nile valley, and is some 150kmlong. this oasis, which was known as the southern Oasis' to the Ancient Egyptians, is the largest of the oases in the Libyan desert of Egypt and consists of a depression about 160km long and from 20km to 80km wide. It has two Temples to God Amun of Hibis (Igbo language: oma Enu, Iho ebu osa, meaning 'High Temple of the Divine Light that takes care of the people'). People in the City of Abu Simbel (Igbo language: o bu isi mba elu, meaning 'the city of upper Egypt'), further down had to come up to join the Exodus Path. The North Kharga Oasis Survey (NKOS) discovered several rock paintings called petroglyphs both at the main body of the oasis and even more in its western part in the area of Darb Ain Amur (igbo language: adara ebe iyi ana omi uru, meaning ' near to the place the land stream pond is very deep') enroute from Kharga to Dakhla (Igbo language: ide oke oha laa, meaning 'the border ponds where the people went by') oasis via a mini-oasis of Ain umm el-Dabadib (Igbo language: iyi ana omi ime, a la e duba ide ebe, meaning 'the land stream in deep ground pond, through which the flood drains in this area') referring to the vast underground water system present in the region to this day.

[@imperiumbrasiliae]

Main candidates Thutmose I his mummified remains have been called into question recently Thutmose II shows signs of disease maybe from the plagues Thutmose III reigning in 1446 bc Amenhotep II Most likely candidate in my opinion he was arrogant cruel and relatively Xenophobic among other things was not first born and his firstborn did not take the throne Thutmose IV - Showed signs of stress and died young the problem is that he knew when to cut his losses Ramesses II - long reign not much evidence really not to mention he was a firstborn Merenptah - mentions israel for the first time 13th born

[@blusheep2]

There is quite a bit of evidence for Rameses II.

[@lonevoice9628]

It's a shame you don't mention the revised chronology and the abundance of evidence for the exodus happening at the end of the 13th Dynasty ending with the brutal hyksos invasion (as Josephus said - took the land without a fight) possibly the Amalekites. The abundance of mud brick structures, evidence of semitic slaves at Kahun, the Ippuwer papyrus, etc etc. The revised chronology puts Akhenaten as contemporary with David which would fit better with his psalm writing. Honestly, to not even mention the evidence against your 18th dynasty theory is quite disappointing considering there is so much against. David Down, and more recently Daid Rhol are much more convincing here.

[@creationministriesintl]

creation.com/understanding-egyptian-chronology-before-exodus There is only so much that can be discussed within a reasonable timeframe. There is plenty more in-depth material on creation.com

[@cmikeatonhalley7080]

I mention some challenges to David Rohl (which would also apply to David Down) in this article. creation.com/exodus-evidence Both of their positions reject the strong evidence Shishak = Shoshenq I which, in my opinion, is problematic. See: creation.com/shoshenq-jerusalem

[@lonevoice9628]

@@cmikeatonhalley7080 thanks for the article links, I read them. I'm a huge supporter of CMI so i have no desire to create any heat over this. However, after reading your offerings, one can only look at the evidences and ignore the just-so stories. 12th-13th Dynasties: huge influx of Asiatics into Avaris (Goshen), with a central house with 12 columns, and 12 main graves, one of which is a pyramid housing a colossal statue of a Hebrew - obviously Joseph. Bahr Yusef is also ascribed to this time period. Makes sense. Egypt was divided into Nomes (regional centres of power) however in this period Pharaoh consolidates power exactly as expected if they sell off all they have to Pharaoh for grain. Avaris is abandoned rapidly by these semites and Egypt, decimated is taken over by a murderous and cruel asiatic tribe (Amalekites?) This is because Pharaoh and his army have all drowned. Kahun, a slave town full of semitics building with mud bricks laced with straw is suddenly abandoned. An unusually large number of slave babies in coffins are found buried under the houses. Ippuwer papyrus is written describing a series of devastating plagues including the river turning to blood. 18/19th dynasty: No hard evidence. And yes I think Pharaoh drowned in the sea. Your candidate did not. Psalm 136: "But overthrew Pharaoh and his army in the Red Sea." He clearly went with them too as Exodus 14:6 says "So he made ready his chariot and took his people with him. Also, he took six hundred choice chariots, and all the chariots of Egypt with captains over every one of them."

[@cmikeatonhalley7080]

@@lonevoice9628 That's fine. I don't think you're characterizing things fairly, but we're just putting the arguments out there and letting people judge for themselves. Best wishes. :)

[@garyb.1047]

With regard to the Exodus leading to the Hyksos invasion, it was answered here creation.com/exodus-hyksos-invasion. Please read and go to the creation.com site and use the search engine. We keep saying in these podcast that they are short excerpts designed to lead people to a greater source of information, i.e. creation.com. David Down is absolutely incorrect with his timing of the Exodus and speculation that Hatshepsut is to be equated with the Queen of Sheba. Search on creation.com on that subject alone and you will see indepth Journal of Creation articles that confirm the errors.

[@pureruckuspower2165]

Rameses 2nd. He was stationed in Avaris at the time and tbats why Aaron and Moses could readily travel to personally meet with him. Also the pharoh daughter is a retrojection. Because Pharoahs daughter wouldn't be allowed to freely adopt someone like normal egyptian women can. But if she was the daughter of Visiar Rameses she would be allowed to adopt... then Rameses becomes Pharoah. It fits archeological information we have about the culture at the time. And fits biblical narrative.

[@leechjim8023]

The dates are way off.

[@garyb.1047]

Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.

[@hesuskristo5642]

I want to see this in Egyptian museum.

[@siegistic]

Isn’t there ancient texts that say the Hiksos took over Egypt without a fight? I thought one theory is because of the exodus account there was no one to defend against them. If that’s the case this would place the exodus earlier than this? Anyone know anything about this???

[@martinportelance138]

I doubt a pursuing pharaoh would have emptied Egypt's frontiers of all of its soldiers and then lost them all without having someone noticing anything. But even if we run along with it, it would take what, four years to train and equip a new army? And they could still hire mercenaries.

[@garyb.1047]

Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.

[@Lacocacolaman]

16:19 boils on the neck?

[@georgemay8170]

All of us are the same as Pharaoh, i.e., we don't want anything to do with our enemies and we block them out of our remembrance.

[@kevinvassago]

Would ❤ to go to Egypt and look into the mummy's eyes of whom was reigning during exodus, and had a magic battle against Moses!

[@joeyoussef9594]

Amenhotep II was an exouds Pharaoh

[@samuelmcmurray3502]

Nope

[@TeePee-t9z]

I think so, but either way the bible tells us not to get caught up on genealogies and divide over this stuff ​@@samuelmcmurray3502

[@joanhuffman2166]

20:49 Why would you think that someone redacted the scriptures rather than searching to find how early the name Ramses or variants were used in Egyptian culture? After all, there are people named George in the English speaking world long before the first king George of Hanover. The scriptures have not shown a tendency to "update" names elsewhere

[@blusheep2]

Actually there are a number of instances where scripture authors have "updated" names. In fact, the term "pharaoh" wasn't used as a title until Mereneptah, Rameses II's son. Ur of the Chaldees might be another example.

[@creationministriesintl]

Did Moses, who is regarded as the author of the pentateuch, write about his own death in the Scriptures. Clearly someone added to it. Have a look at the conquest of "Jebus (that is Jerusalem)". You can look this up where scribes or someone has added 'that is Jerusalem' so contemporary readers would know what place Scripture is referring. Of the mention of the land of Dan in Abraham's time long before the Exodus and the conquest of Israel and subsequently when the land was divided into the 12 tribes.

[@parfaitsiakoli2778]

Ramses1 the father was his name and the Ramses 2 grow up together with moses , was Moses opponent when he come back from burning 🔥 bushes , meaning Ramses2 inherited the trone after his grandpa the father of his mom who raised them both as brothers she was a senior princess , just a suggestion

[@jamesmatters3905]

You are ignoring what Manetho said, he said it was Tutmose 4

[@kamj1969]

Moses didn’t write the Old Testament. It was written by a combination of a few authors. How can he wrote the book when he wrote from a third party perspective about his own death. Deuteronomy 34 - 5 And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. 6 He buried him [2] in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. Furthermore the Old Testament was thought to be written 700-1000 years after the event. This is known as the Documentary Hypothesis, also known as JEDP, that states that the first five books of the Bible, called the Pentateuch consisting of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, were not written completely by Moses but by different authors

[@creationministriesintl]

We are aware of that [hypothesis] and have written about it before. It doesn't hold up to scrutiny. creation.com/debunking-the-documentary-hypothesis

[@blusheep2]

Its not unreasonable for a single man to write a history like the Penteteuch and after he dies they add the epitaph onto the end. That wouldn't take away from his authorship of the books.

[@martinportelance138]

Yeah, I would rather lean on that. Ancient Hebrews were no scholars, they were herders. The Dead Sea scrolls pretty much showed us how 'holy scriptures' were assembled, how differing versions were merged, or how some material was dismissed, like the book of Enoch, or created as a bridge. Exemple: Joshua and Judges pretty much tell two versions of the conquest of Canaan. The stories themselves can be quite old, but the bulk of the Torah was assembled around the Babylon Detention, when monolastric Hebrews became monotheistic Jews.

[@blusheep2]

@@martinportelance138 That isn't what the Dead Sea Scrolls teaches. The Essenes were a group of Jewish "monks," who took on, as a responsibility, the copying of religious texts. They copied all sorts of texts and not just scripture. They even copied a treasure map of buried booty. The narrative you put forth about the Babylon exile is a view promoted from the Minimalist camp and that view has many problems, is full of assumption, and is slowly shrinking, or at least the Maximalist is slowly growing.

[@kquinn856]

You forgot to mention that the firstborn son of Pharaoh Akhenaten (Amenhotep) was King Tut, also known as (Tutankhamun); who died at a young age possibly from the 10 plague that killed all the first born. Recent DNA tests on the mummy of King Tut and some of his kin revealed that the boy king's parents were siblings, and that King Amenhotep and one of his sisters were the mother and father of King Tut. The DNA testing results were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) in February 2010. Also if you look at pictures of Pharaoh Amenhotep's mummy, it is covered in boils from head to toe, and his firstborn son died most likely in the 10t plague; though others claim that he died from malaria and a broken leg. And Amenhotep, Thutmose II, and his wife Queen Hachatsut, bodies are covered in boils, which is proof that they experienced the 10 plagues mentioned in the book of Exodus. It has also been said that Thutmose's II body was fished out of the sea and mummified, and that the cysts were part of the plagues of boils which Egypt had suffered at the time of Moses. And that Queen Hachatsut then reigned as Pharaoh for 12 years as co- region with her son Thutmose III. For more information see: Moses Red Sea Crossing and the Ark of the Covenant. Click here: Moses Red Sea Crossing and the Ark of the Covenant

[@jorverg]

Who’s the Pharaoh of Joseph?

[@garyb.1047]

Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.

[@bradbradley8384]

I believe there was more than one. Definitely tao possibly three due to the plagues which certainly killed many people as well as the fact that Egyptian royalty was inbred as was Greek and Roman rulers so the Passover deaths most likely affected Pharaoh too. A successor likely let them go someone other than the pre Passover one.

[@hozn]

Amenhotep II

[@garyb.1047]

Yep, second born son of a pharaoh and his second born son inherited the throne.

[@petermessina7030]

The Hyksos expulsion from Egypt was the Biblical Exodus.The Arabian chieftains who invaded Egypt were long gone by New Kingdom times, giving the pharoahs ample time to erase their memory. New time-line needed!

[@beestoe993]

Technically Thutmose III didnt reign for 40 years, it was 33 years. You cannot ignore the reign of Hapshetsut.

[@grasonicus]

In the introduction, they state what they're going to say is just personal opinion and speculation. Why do this, then? Reading Genesis and Exodus, it's clear the author didn't know who the Pharaoh was. Raamses and Pithom (Ex 1:11) are later place names, therefore, the writer is from a later time.

[@creationministriesintl]

Is the writer from a later time, or is egyptian chronology inflated, and currently "up in the air"? The answer is the latter, not the former. Anyone well informed about the current state of Egyptian archeology knows that the previously accepted timeline has been accepted as inaccurate, and inflated. With no new timeline being settled on. It is certainly unreasonable therefore to claim that the author didn't know who the Pharoah was, or that the author was not Moses. We do this because Egyptian history is messy and inconclusive, so while we cannot give definitive answers, it is not then irrelevant to study the matter. Much of ancient history involves this, and is quite inconclusive. Is it therefore unreasonable for historians to try to reconstruct a history of the world? Shall we ignore all of history in which documentation is not clear cut, and thorough? Ignoring the issue is not fruitful, but neither is giving dogmatic answers in a field where data is fragmentary. Moses is the author of the 1st 5 books of the Bible, and obviously Moses knows who the pharoah of that period was. To claim otherwise is to put the speculations of men who lived long after the fact in authority over the word of God, and the claims of Moses (the man who was there when this happened). creation.com/egypt-chronology

[@grasonicus]

@@creationministriesintl “Moses is the author of the 1st 5 books of the Bible, and obviously Moses knows who the pharoah of that period was.” Moses was and knew, you mean. But you can't know that. You just repeat what you want to believe. Read Exodus attentively. It will be clear that the writer didn't know who the Pharaoh was. He was writing history and was not out to score political points. If he was even moderately intelligent, he would have included relevant details. How come the writer of Genesis 1 had the creation sequence as land animals → people (man and woman), and the writer of Genesis 2 had it as man (Adam) → land animals → woman (Eve)? Words can't change these sequences. How come Genesis says Benjamin had ten sons and in two sequential chapters in Chronicles he had 5 and 3? It seems not even these two adjacent chapters were not written by the same person, and neither knew what the other had written. The Bible is not one book, and some parts are more factual than others. I'm reading Isaiah at the moment, and there are many parts not matching history. At one point, Israel, Assyria, and Egypt would cooperate in some way to serve God. Isaiah 19:23-25 ( 23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria; and the Egyptians shall worship with the Assyrians. 24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth; 25 for that Jehovah of hosts hath blessed them, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.) It can't be in the future, Assyria is gone. The Creator of the Universe will survive an imperfect book about him. Despite that, as far as verifiable events, places, and people go, the Bible is still by far the best religious book.

[@creationministriesintl]

Ah ,the sweeping assertions. Tell me, in the short time between my comment and your response did you attentively read the article I provided, or just did you just tell me what you want to believe.

[@grasonicus]

@@creationministriesintl I say you believe what you want to believe, then you say I believe what I want to believe. Be more original. You didn't address ONE specific point I made. You know that even among committed Christians, there's far from certainty that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible. For one, chronologically, they go to after his death. There is no evidence but tradition that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible. Couldn't he get his story straight with Genesis 1 and 2? I've been through the David Rohl Egyptian Chronology thing before. Things so far back are hard to know with certainty, and archaeologists deduce much from very little. Archaeology is not mathematics or observational science--there's a lot of scope for personal opinion and BS.

[@creationministriesintl]

My friend I need not personally address your claims here, as the writers have already done so on creation.com, whether or not all Christians are in agreement (or even the majority) is frankly irrelevant. Many Christians today are conflicted about issues such as gay marriage and abortion, however the personal conflict among the professing followers of Christ is not what a Christian should use in determining doctrine. We are told to be bereans and to test each other by checking scripture as the basis to determine the validity of another Christians claims. If what they teach is contrary to scripture then those claims are to be rejected. What matters is what the scriptures teach, and your position concerning the authority of scriptures is borderline if not outright heretical. "Things so far back are hard to know with certainty, and archaeologists deduce much from very little. Archaeology is not mathematics or observational science--there's a lot of scope for personal opinion and BS." True, that is why it makes far more sense to use the infallible word of God (you know a book written through the guidance of the creator of our universe) as a framework by which to construct human history. Of course, you expose yourself as being rather poor in Bible scholarship. " Couldn't he get his story straight with Genesis 1 and 2?" Obviously you seem to believe there is a contradiction between the 2. This is clearly not the case, a little solid exegesis reveals that much: creation.com/genesis-contradictions Now, people eager to abandon scriptural authority in favour of melding their theology with secular storytelling are all to eager to accept bad scholarship like that quite uncritically. As a result these bogus ideas are quickly accepted and circulated. Yes, Moses really did write Genesis. Things like the documentary hypothesis no matter how popular among liberal scholars, simply do not stand up to scrutiny. creation.com/did-moses-really-write-genesis

[@Quillspirit]

And all the Mitsriym called the name of Adikam Phar'oh like the name of his fathers, as was their custom to do in Mitsrayim. And all the wise men of Phar'oh called the name of Adikam Ahuz, for short is called Ahuz in the Mitsriy language. And Adikam was exceedingly ugly, and he was a cubit and a span and he had a great beard which reached to the soles of his feet. And Phar'oh sat upon his father's throne to reign over Mitsrayim, and he conducted the government of Mitsrayim in his wisdom. And while he reigned he exceeded his father and all the preceding kings in wickedness, and he increased his yoke over the children of Yashar'el. YASHAR (JASHER) 77:4-8 את CEPHER

[@creationministriesintl]

Sorry, the book of Jasher is not Scripture. It's therefore irrelevant.

[@Quillspirit]

@@creationministriesintl That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. Shalom.

[@garyb.1047]

​​​@@Quillspirit No, it's not my problem or opinion. the Canon of Scripture was decided, and has been been the traditional view of all of the early church fathers and researchers throughout Christian history. You are the one out of step and have the out of kilter opinion. So apparently you decide which books are inspired and are not, apparently, in opposition to the massive body of work that has been passed down throughout history.

[@bigsarge2085]

👍

[@clouds-rb9xt]

See Exodus: Rediscovered by InspiringPhilosophy/Michael Jones

[@garyb.1047]

As we said, everyone's 'solved it'.

[@cmikeatonhalley7080]

There are a lot of helpful things in that video, but Jones favors a late date for the Exodus with Ramses II as the pharaoh of the Exodus. I don't think this can be sustained based on 1 Kings 6:1 and other verses we discussed.

[@yuhaz]

thx

[@David-ly9yc]

It amenaphet like amen

[@abeliever1843]

If you read the Apocrypha... I believe the book of Jubilees says the Pharaoh survives and gloried God Almighty was ruler of a small province.

[@garyb.1047]

Well, as evangelicals we don't regard the Apocrypha as inspired. There might be a good reason for that, case in point.

[@ievgeniipolozov3818]

that younger man should learn not to interrupt others. sometimes it's impossible to hear what the other persons is speaking

[@michaelwittkopp3379]

I'll agree with your Exodus pharaoh. But, no, no, no on any Hyksos! The math doesn't match. The events don't match. And no, Joseph didn't ride in a chariot _(Genesis 41: 43),_ The Hebrew word there is not rechab _(chariot),_ it's merkaba _(riding chair, aka palanquin)._

[@garyb.1047]

Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.

[@michaelwittkopp3379]

@@garyb.1047 Interesting, but too much Septuagint referenced. Septuagint is a translation, and not scripture. Plus, there are multiple Septuagints. Scholars reference the Vatican's _(LXX),_ even though it is wroth with mistranslations. Furthermore, I do not like the idea of stating it's either Paul or Moses that is correct, and Moses's statement must reinterpreted to something other than it says at face value. Paul's statement is made to be vague. Moses's is written extremely specific and exact, allowing for no reinterpretation. Furthermore, read Genesis 13:14-17 "in full context." The promise land is Abraham's home. That is not a sojourn. The 400 years _(4 centuries)_ sojourn is stated as _"in a land,"_ a singular land, not multiple. Lastly, a drought during the Hyksos period would have been _(+/-)_ a _"So what."_ A drought would have hurt upper Egypt, far lesser so lower. It would have been advantages for the Hyksos. Joseph would have been paid for his service and sent on his way. He would have had little to no importance nor impact. But also, glacial core samples taken from Mount Kilimanjaro, do not show any lack of monsoons during that Hyksos period. There were no droughts, not even minor ones. They very muchly do show a decade long higher than normal monsoon, followed by a decade long drought, during the reign of Senusret II & Senusret III. And, those pharaohs built the canals in Egypt, with Senusret III changing the Nome systems, right after the 7 years of drought. So, _"the pharaoh's dream"_ was of *major* importance there. Then we get to the _"Chariot"_ issue & who were the Hyksos anyway. Most archaeologist *_assume_* the Hyksos had chariots and the Egyptians didn't. _(Assume as in having no evidence for or against.)_ Most archaeologists *_assume_* that the Semite Hyksos invaded Egypt. _(Hyksos DNA is Semite, aka Canaanite.)_ But both assumptions are coming more and more into doubt. The first evidence of chariots in Egypt is that Ahmose I had chariots. It is also becoming more and more clear that the Hyksos didn't _"invade"_ Egypt, they were already there. They came to power, because of a lack of otherwise stable government in that region. Then, if you broaden your analysis of chariots & horses, you'll see that they both came from the Eurasian Steppe. And, they showed up, in the form & quality that the Egyptians had, throughout the Fertile Crescent, all at about the same time... late Hyksos. _(That quality of chariot is an almost 1,000 year development. Up to about that time, horses were extremely rare, and extremely expensive, in the Fertile Crescent. You'd trade a whole herd of camels, for just one horse.)_ So, it is highly unlikely that the _(so called)_ invading Hyksos had chariots. Simply, *_rechab_* is chariot in Hebrew, and the Tanakh states that Joseph rode a *_Merkaba,_* a palanquin. And in a procession, that'd be what a Pharaoh rode, doesn't matter if Senusret III, a Hyksos pharaoh, or Rameses II. You don't go down narrow ancient Egyptian streets with war horses and a chariot. Not unless you want to kill or maim, everyone around you. Ps. I read also your _"The biblical minimum and maximum age of the earth."_ Please, please, *please,* if it has to do with OT, use *Scripture* _(Tanakh),_ not translations _(LXX or otherwise),_ for your interpretations. Yes, I can pull out my KJV, and come to the same conclusion as you did in that essay. But, if I go to a Tanakh, I can come out with a lot of various valid interpretations, just not _New Earth Creationism._

[@Procopius464]

This is wrong. These events occurred in the 13th dynasty. That's when they are attested to by an actual Egyptian record (the Ipuwer Papyrus). The catastrophe of Exodus is what caused the 2nd Intermediate period.

[@redwolf7227]

As soon as you said “not dogmatic” I new I was not really gonna get a solid answer…thanks for nothing. 🙃 J/K very interesting 🤗

[@rosecoward3292]

Get Dr. Petrovich's books the evidence is there, you'll see that he's meticulous in his piecing of this whole puzzle together. His first book, "The World's Oldest Alphabet" can be purchased from Carta Jerusalem. "Origins of the Hebrews," through most book distributers, or from him personally by messaging him on his Twitter account. As a bonus, you'll also get to discover that it wasn't the Phonecians that gave us our alphabet, who gave it to us will surprise you, but it also makes perfect sense. You'll also see how much evidence of Joseph in Egypt has been uncovered.

[@creationministriesintl]

Thanks, uh, we have the book!

[@garyb.1047]

Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.

[@tammydeboard6537]

I just saw a different name about who it was.

[@Rom3_29]

Liberal Scholars forget the fact Genesis and other books of the Bible, were dictated by God. Ask yourself if it’s safe to argue creation is a myth. Especially when you are going to face God after your life. I don’t want to be in the same room with you, when you meet our Maker. (This’s not a joke).

[@martinportelance138]

By "liberal scholar", do you mean one who bases his conclusion upon archeological findings, that is, in opposition with a "conservative scholar" who would for his part base his conclusions on faith alone? Alright.

[@Lightning77305]

Amenhotep 2 was the exodus pharaoh.

[@alexbourdeau4438]

Amenhotep II spent much of his reign marching all over Canaan. So how the hell could the Israelites flea from him by going to Canaan? Your arguments make no sense in the light of real history.

[@MikeScott-ez7iw]

Ancient Egypt was pure African people not Egyptian and Mediterranean dark 🌑 skin bs 💯 true facts

[@parfaitsiakoli2778]

Tutu Mosi or Dada Mossi

[@tonylakes3086]

No this is wrong. 1st Kings is a temple inscription and not meant as a literal 480 years. This type of rounding of years happens all over the bible for example the number 40 used as a reference of time is not literal days, weeks, or years of that number but a way of saying a long time. This also isn't even uncommon for other Mesopotamian cultures of that time. The right question to ask is not "who was pharaoh" but rather "where was pharaoh". Ramses II fits that answer perfectly.

[@garyb.1047]

Read our latest articles creation.com/short-sojourn-part-1 and creation.com/short-sojourn-part-2. They are comprehensive.

[@joeconnolly89]

the Israelites left Egypt in around 1600bce after the volcano at Santorini exploded which was the cause of the terrible things that happened and the parting of the red sea

[@martinportelance138]

It is surprinsing how much documents we have from the Bronze Age - way more than we have on many periods of medieval Europe. If you are looking for a catastrophy that shooked the entire ancient world, look no further than the Bronze Age Collapse (from 1190 BC on), a suite of events that killed nearly all civilisations (effectively ending an age) and forced humanity into a 200 years-long dark, illiterate age, from which we still know relatively little.

[@terryconder3917]

No parting of the Red Sea maybe 600 Hebrews in Egypt Bible story if true was exaggerated

[@David-ly9yc]

Moses went up to the cactus mountains an it's no such thing as European Jews they wish stop he had a stuttering problem

[@mrg466]

Ok the same ole crap, that The Pharaoh didn't die in The Red Sea! I heard enough of this lie!

[@nalcon1]

Better read scripture. Never says Amenhotep II drown in the sea. All you have to do is look at Egyptian history.

[@mrg466]

@@nalcon1 Your right about one thing,...it never mentioned any Pharaoh's name! Other than that fact, it does in fact say that (The Pharaoh, whoever he was) he was shook off into The Red Sea! At no time, in scripture, has it ever said he survived The Exodus! Yeah Hollywood says that crap! But I can careless what Hollywood says, and they also got The Pharaoh wrong, as usual! Psalm 136:15 !

[@rayelpingi7982]

He didnt die in the seas. Bible never said so, just his army.

[@MikeScott-ez7iw]

Fake 🤥 News 📰 Those Pharaohs were pure African brothers not Egyptian and Mediterranean dark 🌑 skin bs 💯 true

[@Tryambakam108]

There was no exodus.

[@nickdev1658]

- "They did not build the pyramids" What is the basis for your claim? Of course they did not build all, but why could they not have been part of building some? What is the basis for claiming that as a fact?