Who wins? Gravemind or Leviathan | And More Questions

[@mattstorm360]

Dame, the sniper got him at the start.

[@ethanallan1254]

Johnson’s too good at his job

[@MCLegend13]

@@ethanallan1254Linda and Jun: We’re right here you know

[@Neoth40k]

That ONI agent did a great job

[@Soundwave119]

Annoying Jackel sniper got Instilation00 and he had to respawn. 😂

[@sauceboss2367]

🤣

[@bjiornbjiorn]

Just a reminder that, due to the events of Halo 3, we can confidently say that the Gravemind is forklift certified.

[@zooomtoall1024]

The second a leviathan tries to enter the mind of a gravemind, it's getting mind dominated for trying to play god with a 5th Dimensional being

[@xyreniaofcthrayn1195]

Actually it would be hella confused with the utter insanity of trillions of languages speaking at once in a multitude of voices and all their pain should a leviathan make a mental connection with a gravemind preferably through the safety of one of their domination/communion spheres. Meanwhile the gravemind could easily pick the leviathans mind and then manipulate the leviathans as easily as the reapers controlled the collectors. Effectively though the gravemind just acquires carrier form starships.

[@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu]

​@@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 The gravemind didn't actually keep the personalities of most of its infected victims alive and suffering indefinitely - they're dead after their minds have been sorted for anything useful. Although it could simulate the victim personalities to traumatize their uninfected loved ones.

[@DS-wl5pk]

Why do you assume to know the limitations of the leviathans physic abilities? The flood is the precursors using psuedo psychic evolutionary nonsense. They cant actually manipupate time itself and they die if stepped on hard enough. You assume simply because flood they would "flood" their senses? Hey bud what if... What if they could just.... Idk.... Ignore it? Theres nothing nowhere that hints they wouldnt be able to. The mfs made a signal. A sound. That brainwashes mfs..... They can manipulate frequencies in a very similar way as to how infection forms infect their hosts by "Matching the frequncy of their nervous system" idk sounds pretty similar to me And saying theyre fifth dimensional was only true when theybwere precursors. Even during the Forerunner Flood war, the most they were able to do was just take over and destroy the star routes AFTER takint over ships with the drives to enter that other dimension. They didnt just phase into it and destroy it by themselves

[@nobleman9393]

Keyes casually resisting a Proto-Gravemind: 🗿

[@ashtonchane6126]

Not even 5th Dimensional either. There’s a good video done by Marco. In the video, he stated that due to the natural of the Precursors(of which the Flood are the creation/decedents of) exists in both in and outside of every dimension.

[@scott-gaming.8834]

Yeah lets be fair. The Leviathans are hyper-advanced psychic SPECIES, the Flood are a universal CONSTANT

[@TheCrunchbite]

And the flood are a collection of individuals, not just a species

[@thebeef1278]

​@@TheCrunchbitethe flood are a collection of bodies with a single consciousness, not individuals

[@Nervete]

I dunno, that "CONSTANT", extremely dangerous though it may be, gets obliterated more than once. The only reason it still exists is because Forerunners have terrible foresight and thought keeping some flood for experiments was a good idea. I know all about the precursers and their shenanigans, but the flood are provably mortal in their current state.

[@Espartanica]

Not even just that. The Flood are a collection of organisms with one single, continuous consciousness which is written into the fabric of the universe itself. Every gravemind has the memories and knowledge of every previous and current Gravemind, as one single continuous entity taking different forms over the eons ​@@thebeef1278

[@cr90captain89]

@@Nervete no it still exists because it wove itself into the fabric of reality during the forerunner flood war, as long as creation exists you cannot permanently destroy it. the only way to even REMOTELY overcome it is through galaxy wide genocide/ extinction. anytime it is beaten? the floods opponents had to use a super McGuffin to do so.

[@ItzKyber]

Last time i checked, Star Wars doesn't use laser blasters. They're still plasma based, and the same thing with light sabers. The only reason there are different colors is because of the type of gas the blasters use: Red bolts: cheap gas, easier for mass production Green bolts: higher quality gas but harder to obtain Blue bolts: more affective against droids Orange/gold bolts: more volitile

[@Reyma777]

I believe blue blaster bolts are sometimes called ion blasters.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

I mean in the media and lore it's comkon to rether to persanal blaster as lasers... But normally the blaster bolts and never anything bigger... Like Clone troopers love to save lasers in all srtar wars media and cannons... But I never heard them say that in a space battle context despite the tech being the exact same just bigger... So it's like calling a power lever a throttle even if the only diff3rnce is a throttle is connected to a throttle body a power level is not... So calling a personal blaster a laser is just a common way to rether to a blaster that is not technical... But laser sword is an IRL thing to avoid copyright and I never heard anyone say laser blaster before...

[@cr90captain89]

an argument against plasma is that they bounce off of mirrors in bad batch, bounce off of beskar instead of splashing in the madalorian, & don't turn the targets they hit into molten metal or superheated fluids when struck. many somethings that plasma doesn't do that lasers would do & vice versa. blasters are by the logic of what the movies & tv shows have depicted are lasers.

[@GrOuNdZeRo7777]

​@cr90captain89 in canon, they are Plasma based, but Star Wars is Science Fantasy.

[@andrewwilliam7890]

I mean, this is also the universe where bullets/projectile weapons are "obsolete" but stormtroopers and clones also get beaten up and killed by hand-to-hand combat, literal spears and sticks, and 3 feet tall teddy bears. It's all complete nonsense.

[@nathansheldahl]

First Star Wars blasters don’t fire lasers as their bolts don’t act as lasers do (aka you see them in flight and move way too slowly). I would think at least in my understanding as a more advanced version of both plasma and phaser/laser weapons with a laser acting as a propellant of a concentrated plasma shot.

[@combineeliteunit8769]

Brother, first clue at Star Wars blasters being plasma is the fact that they require Tibana Gas, and a charge pack to ionize the gas

[@nathansheldahl]

@ I know. The other is you can actually see the bolts in the air when fired.

[@Stratonetic]

​@@combineeliteunit8769 It doesn't help that they yell out "Eat laser," when shooting droids.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

My favorite Flood what if involves the Warhammer 40k universe. Just imagine Flood supercells assimilating Orkoid spores and what the logic plague could do to machine spirits.

[@seekerofalice9787]

It would really come down to if the Flood could assimilate Tyranids, or if the nids could adapt first. I feel like the Shadow in the Warp would probably block some levels of the Flood's hivemind and the Gravemind's ability to control the flood. Presumably the nids could adapt to the flood spores and infections, while I'm not so sure the flood could adjust to the rapid evolution and would likely end up consuming the flood unless they had already consumed a significant amount of biomass.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

T​he Shadow in the Warp disrupts Warp based phenomena. Besides, the Flood could likely disrupt the shivering by assimilating synapse forms. The Tyranids rely on consumption whereas the Flood infect.

[@seekerofalice9787]

@@UncleMikeDrop True, but the Tyranids seem to be more adaptable. I don't think that the flood could infect a Tyranid, as the Octarius War showed us that the Tyranids adapted their cells to hunt down and eat orc spores to stop them from respawning. No reason the same couldn't be done to the flood. If anything, the Tyranids have an advantage because they would just need to kill flood-forms to integrate their biomass, where the flood would need to have sufficient infection already in place before they used Tyranid biomass to create a colony.

[@MasterElements]

I like all the questions of Gravemind versus cause you can literally answer with "They were written to be a god in physical form, with the classical god weakness, starvation. Or in trope terms an eldritch Mary Sue, the Gravemind wins no explanation needed."

[@tyserx3338]

“Welcome to installation zer-“ MAN DOWN!! MAN DOWN!!

[@adamellson153]

Can I just say I adore this series, how you present it, and explain your answer is complicated yet simple so everyone can understand, and I love how you cover multiple universes/ franchises

[@alejandrochalco6893]

Actually I think the Leviathan could absolutely crush the flood quite handily, specially if it’s a single leviathan vs a gravemind. While there is conflicting lore information on it, at least on most Interpretations, Graveminds and combat forms both require neurons and nervous systems to exist. Mind control in mass effect is based on using element zero to forcefully activate the neurons of your target. It has nothing to do with magic, or mind power, or even intelligence. If something has neurons it can be mind controlled and if it can be mind controlled it can be killed by the same powers. The Leviathan could instantly take control of the keymind and its combat forms and basically tell them to mill themselves. The flood spores don’t seem to have neurons but they don’t result in instant infection and the leviathan could just seal themselves in a bunker or tell the combat forms and other animals in the planet to defend them and create flamethrowers or some other tool to kill the spores with. Even if the Leviathan gets infected they would just need to order the Gravemind to kill themselves and would still win the duel just by the fact the flood gravemind would die first.

[@wyattbhoffman]

The flood don’t need neurons to live

[@cobrajeff96]

It seems like the Flood can never really be exterminated, just like the Precursors they evolved from.

[@CallenExile]

@@cobrajeff96 The only reason Flood still exist, is their existance imprisoned on the rings for some ungodly stupid reason.

[@AsahiMiya]

In the Halo books, they didn't really get killed, just kicked off of the stiff they over took. Plus, the rings kill living beings. The flood is no longer that while also being that. They are a complex existence, with thought, but without a nervous system

[@Espartanica]

​@@CallenExileWrong. The Flood survived the firing of the Halos and continued to fight right after they activated. They don't go extinct when the array is activated, they just revert to their fungal state until they find new hosts to take over with their spores. This is why specimens were kept on the rings for study, so that humanity would be able to learn how to avoid and deal with them. Unfortunately the Covenant are dense.

[@Espartanica]

​@@AsahiMiyaNo. The rings destroy nervous systems. Anything without a nervous system is fine, and the Flood itself wasn't too set back by the activation of the rings. "The rings don't kill Flood, they kill their food"

[@AsahiMiya]

@@Espartanica that's what I said, I think there is a misunderstanding, friend. That's why I said they (the Halos) kill "living beings" because a majority of those living things have nervous systems.

[@casualcarpenter]

Mantle’s Approach vs Death Star (either one)

[@HolyknightVader999]

The Death Star blows up the Mantle's Approach, but the entire DS crew got composed into Prometheans. LOL

[@everythingsalright1121]

Death star loses easily. Not only is mantles approach far larger, the technology used by the firerunners is far beyond the tech used to make the death star which, really...is quite conventional. Thick armor plating and a big upscaled laser that can only fire once a day vs a ship that can do what the death star does *casually with its non primary weapons* while being insanely resilient (infinity's MAC only punched a small hole in it and temporarily before the ship healed itself). Mantles approach has its own superweapon that can rip planets apart and if it wants it could just compose the crew of the death star into completely subservient prometheans

[@casualcarpenter]

@@everythingsalright1121 You’ve got a good point about the MAC round. Immediately after getting shot the Mantle’s Approach starts repairing and healing. Yes, a Death Star laser would blast a much bigger hole, but the Mantle’s Approach is a tank with the ability to heal. Unless it get’s one-shot, I think the Death Star is done.

[@the_boogey_man0]

@@everythingsalright1121 yo Jesus loves you

[@Dr.GarlicAioli]

I believe Star Wars' blasters and Halo's plasma weapons work very similarly. In star wars, blasters use superheated tibanna gas particles focused into a short beam. In halo, plasma weapons also use superheated gas encased in a magnetic field. In this instance, both forms of weaponry use ionised plasma (not photons) projected through similar mediums.

[@sirguinea3513]

My favourite theory for the ending of Mass Effect 3 is still the indoctrination theory. Even if it wasn't intended by the writers, it just makes so much sense.

[@o.k.productions5202]

Star Wars blasters aren’t lasers, they fire an Ionized gas. This gass is mined from gass giants like Baspin, which is the purpose of Cloud City.

[@matthewfloyd2243]

I also like the idea regarding the Leviathan versus the flood, which is ancient humanity nor the 4Runners, over hundreds of years to come up with any way to adequately eliminate the flood threat. Now while they are not the most technologically advanced species in the Haley universe, that would be the precursors themselves, I would have to say that from an outcome perspective, and Haley universe pretty much proves that there isn't a way to defeat the flood overtly.

[@mcgoo136]

Halo Legends the Red CQB female spartan escaped and was about to destroy her clone. She was given a choice and chose UNSC. Awesome story, we need Halo’s world fleshed out in video game format like ODST did.

[@geminitrash1]

@13:15 mark just a small correction. The typical Blasters in Star Wars aren't actually Laser based they are Partical based like the Beam Rifle in Halo. The different colors the Blasters give off are actually due to the mixture and quality of the gas which produce different effects. Yellow blaster bolts are produced by a less than lethal gas mixture often used in training, red is considered the standard mixture, blue is ionized, and green is high powered. There's also purple and gold blaster bolts colors, but what they do has never been explained and I would describe them as likely a custom mixture because of their rarity. Edit: This also extends to Kyber energy based tech, Kyber only works as an energy amplifier. Lightsabers are plasma swords just like Halo's Energy Swords. George Lucus did have early concepts of Lightsabers being lasers, but that was never a canon element.

[@CallenExile]

I want to say Leviathans. They just need to punt a space marble nearby to seize control. The Flood need contact.

[@CantHandleThisCanYa]

Yeah but good luck getting viewers of this channel to not simp for the flood

[@CallenExile]

@CantHandleThisCanYa You're not wrong.

[@Espartanica]

​@@CantHandleThisCanYa*You don't understand the capabilities of the Flood and so you simply resort to "simp simp simp" when met with a different opinion.

[@Espartanica]

They very much are. Leviathans may have AOE but the Flood doesn't need a nervous system or neurons to exist and therefore wouldn't be affected especially in the spore state. What's stopping the Flood from sending machines to carry spores to consume the Leviathans and their brother moons? ​@@CallenExile

[@joeycampbell940]

​@@CantHandleThisCanYa ya clearly don't know what simp means.

[@alemirdikson]

Gravemind wins Though a flood-infected Leviathan would be horrifying.

[@Tom-bf2nm]

What I want to know is who at MS read the script for the Halo tv show and went ‘YES this is exactly what Halo fans want!.’

[@fyrfly8768]

Idk. The Leviathans were around potentially tens of millions of years and supposedly subdued all other races. We just dont know enough about how. Whether it was through force or coercion and what their stengths really are. They were overrun by ssentially a more durable version of themselves but that doesnt mean they were weak by any means. Theyre fall was one of hubris.

[@Xeno-The-Wanderer]

whenever there comes a match of who would win vs the flood or other similar kind of threat it feels like there's a limited pool of choices people default to, wonder if there's any more unique matchups that could happen like the Invaders from Getter Robo, Extraterrestrial Living-metal Shapeshifter from Gundam 00, something from outside of the western hemisphere to shake things up

[@darkness1293]

Would be cool to see more Halo vs Mass effect videos.

[@Donnirononon]

0:00 - 0:16 Now that is a pronounciation of your channel name that i have not heard before!

[@HolySilverStrike]

On question 6 I remember reading somewhere that after the rings were fired that the remaining forerunners left on a great journey. The San’Shyuum really horribly botched that translation.

[@Reyma777]

I want to politely point out a correction. Star Wars blasters weapons as well as turbo lasers are plasma-based weapons. They are not photon based.

[@nihilityjoey]

No they aren't. We see them rebound off of various metal surfaces. Plasma does not do that. They are star wars play on lasers.

[@Reyma777]

@@nihilityjoey “A blaster,[2] also called a gun,[3] was any type of ranged weapon that fired bolts of intense plasma or particle-based energy, often mistaken for lasers.”

[@ZillennialJ]

343 deciding to change master chief’s armor in Halo 4 is probably one of the worst decisions they ever made.

[@TheCrunchbite]

Don’t forget the if the Bavarians survived as a species, they are likely to be more cooperative with everyone else than the prior government

[@tarryattorney1414]

The gravemind if it corrupted the reapers 💀

[@HazyThoughts36]

All i know is the reapers have conquered the galaxy multiple times. The flood haven't once

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Most "LASERs" in Star Wars are not LASERs. They are plasma weapons.

[@jacktueton7445]

Bro hit a loading screen at the start

[@archie3k433]

Gravemind vs. Leviathan vs. Godzilla vs. 9/11

[@seese9456]

This isn't a fair match up. The flood can literally bend the laws of physics to its whims. The only way for the leviathans to eek out a living is if they and their thrall species are innately immune to flood supercells; AND if they find a way to coopt neural physics.

[@nihilityjoey]

The cannot bend the laws of physics. When the flood used star roads as weapons, their movement and damage warped time and space around them. The flood did not do that with its mind.

[@ThaneCrosoft]

Instalation00 should put the circle intro logo inside the rings of a mass relay. Omega relay 00.

[@ryuko6997]

Pesky jackals ouf, get yourself some ibuprofen after that headshot

[@thorshammer7883]

Would the technology used by the Culture from M Banks the Culture book series be relative in tier of advancement, effective capability, and precision as the Forerunners technology? Their universe's ais are very impressively smart and are capable of making grand simulation galactic war scenarios and able to take control of the strategies and tactics of a entire warring frontline expanding across light years and can micromanage well enough in conducting wars. While the Culture in demographic size of their population, manpower, and industry cannot possibly keep up with the Forerunner's huge 3 million planet empire the Culture have many versatile traits that makes them very adaptive to many situations. I don't know if their Culture Mind ais could compete with Contender Class Forerunner ais like Mendicant Bias and Offensive Bias though.

[@mattmmilli8287]

Considering the Minds really exist in another dimension and all that where the processing done in massive hyper structures.. I have a feeling they would stomp em!

[@thorshammer7883]

@mattmmilli8287 I wouldn't count Mendicant Bias and Offensive Bias out yet. These two ais are still hyper advanced and they are familiar with similar dimensions as the Minds are and have collected enough information to conduct the Forerunner-Flood war which is massive by Culture standards and far more disastrous as a galactic war then the majority of Culture galaxy wars.

[@nobleman9393]

One Culture ship is capable of producing tens of thousands of ships: 💀💀💀

[@thorshammer7883]

@@nobleman9393 And? What kind of ships? Supporting escorts?

[@nobleman9393]

@@thorshammer7883 Offensive units of various types.

[@Nervete]

People forget how telepathy works in Mass Effect. The leviathans don't 'mind control' through magic or mental connection, they infiltrate your neurons with Eezo (element zero) chemicals and trigger them remotely as they see fit. I'm not saying Leviathans would win, because this is a halo channel and I know this comment section would be an uphill battleground 😂, but nevertheless, I feel the need to point out that the gravemind would have zero ability to 'reverse the mind control' as so many people put it. Willpower doesn't factor into it, it is straight up a biological neurotoxin that happens to let other entities control your neurons while it kills you (and it does kill you. Mass Effect emphasizes multiple times that any amount of exertion on the part of the dominator severely damages the neurons of the dominated).

[@CantHandleThisCanYa]

Yeah you can't convince the flood simps here

[@Espartanica]

​@@CantHandleThisCanYa*You only understand one side yet don't understand why others know the other. The Gravemind isn't just a physical entity. They're written into the fabric of the universe itself. Their memories and knowledge from every previous and concurrent Gravemind are accessible no matter if they are eradicated and then return from a separate form entirely with no connection to the original. They also don't need neurons to survive, as the entire point of the Halo array was to destroy neural connections and erase all sentient life, and they survived that. Maybe they wouldn't be able to reverse mind control, but they wouldn't exactly be helpless and let themselves be taken over either.

[@seekerofalice9787]

@@Espartanica It is true that the flood do not need Neurons to survive, but they do need them to actually do anything. Just playing devils advocate, but if the Leviathan was able to capture enough biomass from the flood in the form of... well, various flood forms, it could render the gravemind functionally inert in much the same way the Halo Rings did. Locked down and unable to act unless it gets enough biomass outside of the awareness of the Leviathan to form another Gravemind host. The gravemind wins minimum 90% of the time, but there is a victory condition for the leviathan in theory.

[@Nervete]

​@@Espartanica You feel that your knowledge of the lore is deep, but it goes deeper, and what you assert is not the case. The gravemind is not an eternal concept, the information that it can retrieve is not a psychic constant. The precursors used a pan-galactic computing technology called the Domain, which the forerunners kinda-sorta figured out how to use parts of. All precursor knowledge exists within the Domain, and when the flood rose up, they also utilized the Domain. Once the new cycle graveminds rose up, they yet again utilized the Domain. The Domain, while potent, is not a fact of the universe but a coded technology that is programmed to recognize and sync to precursors, which is why each gravemind inevitably accesses it. If you were to break the Domain using neural physics, no gravemind would ever again be able to use their collective knowledge without direct 1-to-1 living telepathy. If you'll indulge me an analogy that could ACTUALLY be a false-equivalency depending on how much you disagree, does my ability to learn google and retrieve my grandfather's google docs make my grandfather an eternal being?

[@Espartanica]

@@Nervete "Your knowledge of the lore is wrong. Here's why you're right"

[@MickiesBickies]

Nice to b . . e back thankyou

[@SuicidalRevolver]

If only the Halo TV show wasn't SPECIFICALLY about the Master Chief and a new unheard Spartan... But alas, Chief's marketability won out. Shame.

[@Tarnthewarrior]

When the video said Leviathan, o thought it ment warhammer's Leviathan

[@madhatter2313]

Please do a video about what would happen if the Forerunner Ecumene from Halo fought against the Reapers from Mass Effect

[@DootDoot93]

Not much to say about it, it would be a hilariously one-sided slaughter in favor of the Forerunners. Even without all the crazy things their tech can do, their caliber of naval weapons vastly outclass the strongest weapons in Mass Effect in terms of yield. They’d be popping Reaper capital ships left and right.

[@Connor8609]

It would be a minor inconvenience for the Forerunners

[@CantHandleThisCanYa]

lol simps

[@Espartanica]

​@@CantHandleThisCanYa*LOL you don't know Halo lore and you're salty about other people who do.

[@Martin0]

Something I have wondered for ages...

[@Espartanica]

Consider: The Flood DO NOT need neurons or a nervous system to function. Not only is there the Logic Plague, and simple spores, but the Gravemind itself is a consciosness written into the fabric of reality itself, which has access to all memories and knowledge of all previous and concurrent graveminds even when being rebuilt from an entirely different biomass than the last. While the Leviathans require neurons to take over a host, the Flood only needs to make contact, or at latter stages of gravemind may be able to learn to copy the Leviathans.

[@CantHandleThisCanYa]

@@Espartanica Halo is fiction my friend, but grass is not. Please go touch the non-fiction grass.

[@Espartanica]

@CantHandleThisCanYa "Having knowledge about games means you have no life" Imagine being such a basement dweller the concept of having a hobby is foreign to you.

[@CantHandleThisCanYa]

@@Espartanica oh dear, you seem to misunderstand. You seem to be getting very worked up in the comments section here, which is why I recommended touching actual, living grass. Your interpretation that you are being attacked is concerning as it is not based in reality. For this reason, I again suggest touching plant life, such as grass.

[@Espartanica]

@CantHandleThisCanYa If you say so.

[@richardbarrett4488]

United Earth Space Command

[@Dablo_Escobar]

Can you do one on a space marine vs a spartan 2?

[@TheLightnaruto]

yes...but if said spartan get infected...then she should blow up the ship and not allow it to take on the other 2 remainding Spartans.

[@TID2038]

that intro lol

[@maxlieconame2887]

I have a question. Were all the prophets in on the LIE of the great journey from what I remember from the books and it's been awhile since I've read them only the three hierarchs were witness to the lie and all the others believed it And to continue the question, could there be prophets who were stationed with fleets who had presumably good relations with their Elite commanding officers that would have felt just as betrayed and cited with the elites against the brutes and the hierarchs.

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

343 - we are going to leave our mark on the franchise…😅

[@spartantraveler7251]

Star Wars blasters are just worse plasma pistols but with more kinetic energy. All types of blasters are worse than plasma pistols.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

I mean in a singles pokemon battle I would think the leviathan you meet in Mass effect 3 will easly beat the gravemind you meet in halo 2... Because no only can it move and has limibs it has armor and isn't a 100% meat product... In a game of words it's not only the gravemind we meet in halo 2 but any of them as all the ones we know of are isn't good at talking like they all have speech over 9,000! The levthan you meet in mass effect 3 can only tell a sob story and hopes that the Shapard he is talking to is the paragon infantly gracefull one... Oh I think that is what happens I dojn't rember what they said at all.... But I do with atleast 3 graveminds... But at the higjht of each societies power in a total war? Um the leviathans lost the the reapers in a AI revolt and whent into deeper hiding then the forerunner have... Even if we be genorus and say the precussors count in Gavemind history as the flood are the "evolved" version of the precusors... Even still noyt only did the precusors go into the Rule of two style sith mode till they got the ancent humans and set the stage to revenge the forerunners again rule of two sith style... The lavatian have done actually nothing during a smaller period of time under less risk of being found... Like the levataians could have easly figured out if they ignored all the traps and maintain stealth when the reapers do their tghing they would be fine... The precusors did not have it that easy. So yeah outside of a pshycal one on one battle with only two characters with no terrain or anyrestuation to their power... The Halo 2 givemind will always win against the mass effect 3 lavatian.

[@trinstonmichaels7062]

The Leviathan are so dead like they probably do worse than ancient humanity.

[@JohnMackeyIII]

Season 2 was specifically not worth watching.. the story telling was horrible the writing was horrible the directing horrible.. essentially there is no redeemable moment that wasn’t sandwiched between the most vile and disgusting bread of plot filler! Basically the worst space soft P@%#

[@dogevanzandt2889]

ARMY IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE WE ARE THE BEST RAH RAH RAH BLOOD MAKES THE GRASS GROW KI11

[@JohnMackeyIII]

But he doesn’t essentially Cortana has to do all the heavy lifting.. spoiler alert!

[@ScolarVisar2307]

Miss bungie

[@NudlemanJones]

I appreciate your respectful handling/analysis of Season 2 of the TV show 🫡.

[@GenericProtagonist7]

Me, I win.

[@xXHerrZockXx]

7:20 they werent meant to put their own mark on it. Just make the existingeven more fun and good looking. They didnt. ☝

[@GoNo117]

Gravemind, easy.

[@ZillennialJ]

Totally skipped question 2

[@jaksfan1]

Yeeet

[@newbiegain117]

The show sucks.

[@vagblaster7000]

@@newbiegain117 hope they don't get a season 3 that shit show should have never been greenlit so so so ass and disrespectful as a whole

[@chrisbryant2283]

11:50 Correction, humans are forerunners. They were not chosen by them; whatever that means

[@TonyTuffNutz]

Wrong.

[@acrustykrab]

Bungie was prob going that way based on Halo 3, but nah Humans and Forerunners are different. Just the Librarian considered humanity worthy of the mantle or at least worthy of the chance to earn it.

[@CallenExile]

@@chrisbryant2283 Humans are not forerunners. Read the lore again.

[@Espartanica]

Nice headcanon

[@chrisbryant2283]

@@CallenExile Read the lore from who? 343 or bungie?

[@Emanon...]

Define "winning" ? Our concepts dont even apply to these guys

[@syd4952]

I hate that you exclusively follow the 343 retconned lore and don't also mention the original lore reasons for things.

[@Espartanica]

"I hate that you use the current lore and don't use the outdated one"

[@syd4952]

@ Ya the new stuff that has brought the franchise to the brink of irrelevancy is so much better because it's new.

[@joeycampbell940]

That's genuinely the worst take on Halo 4 I've ever heard.

[@nathansheldahl]

Thank god I didn’t watch the show as they ruined Master Chief and Halsey with that horrible decision.

[@krazeemazee]

hALO TV series was absolute rubbish.....

[@FergusonFiller]

i know you have bills to pay, but your viewpoint on the halo show was awful. trying to justify the horrible plots they tried to make.”it deserves to be forgotten”

[@PaulGuy]

All he did was state what happened. Calm down.

[@Banished420]

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