Who 'won' each Paradox Game?

[@LemonCake101]

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[@NKVD.Officer]

do a ocean tier list

[@LemonCake101]

@@NKVD.Officer I am good

[@NKVD.Officer]

@@LemonCake101 sorry my supreme commander. i will make future suggestions with thought put into them.

[@LemonCake101]

@@NKVD.Officer good idea!

[@EmperorJohn]

1337 is not the end date of CK2 it is just the last start date you can start in, CK2 actual end date is also 1453 like CK3

[@LemonCake101]

Wait really... I assumed it was the end date for some reason... oops. I mean never played past 1250 ish in Ck2 and I always do the earliest possible start.

[@monarchofthesea9395]

@@LemonCake101 You're missing out, CK2 has actually interesting scenarios in its later starts. I think it's the last game that they made which was ballanced for multiple starts. Although with the last DLC's they did sort of make money trivial.

[@LemonCake101]

I guess I will have to give it a go some day!

[@EmperorJohn]

@@monarchofthesea9395 yes! The 1337 Byzantine start is so much fun especially playing it in Hip mod

[@monarchofthesea9395]

@@EmperorJohn That would be a fun one, really tricky I imagine. Not done that.

[@Noobmaster-of3xk]

Paradox won by being able to milk history for map games

[@LemonCake101]

Can't believe they came up with so much lore

[@infidelcastrato1844]

They won by being able to milk me for dlcs 😂

[@quandangle9397]

@@infidelcastrato1844 pdx is milking you? 🤨

[@Talesfromthefoodofficial]

They even went to the future for more games. I’m waiting for the inevitable Bronze Age collapse paradox game.

[@AarushSV]

im waiting for either a cold war game or one set in the years 476-900, maybe even one about Alexander?

[@hallthepope2232]

March of the Eagles remains forgotten

[@ClattC]

March of Eagles takes place in the end date of EU, so I think there is no need to mention it. However, there is a really forgotten Paradox game called Sengoku, which takes place in another time period, and its end date is somewhere in the early 17th century

[@Burh643]

Good.

[@vyacheslavfokin5535]

​@@ClattC most of the world would be disqualified

[@jpanda79]

I believe it would also be great Britain as the winner of that game

[@basvriese1934]

Even if you're biased both EU iv and Vicky the only countries that could even contest Britain are Russia and France, and with France just being decimates from the Napoleonic wars in euiv Britain is a clear favourite. That damned H2O keeping Britain from most harm again and again

[@LemonCake101]

Rule Britannia!

[@TheOwneroftheIC]

America is the winner of the Victoria games. Even in the midst of the Great Depression the only countries that are ascending faster are Japan and Germany, but their candles are burning on both ends.

[@shorewall]

@@TheOwneroftheIC I agree with this, for the same reason France didn't win EU4. At the very last minute, things changed. At the end of EU4, Napoleonic France was defeated, and at the end of Victoria 2/3, UK got hollowed out by WW1, going into Major debt to the USA and US gets an equal seat at the table in the WW1 peace deal, before fucking off again. UK had to invest so much resources at this point to keep its empire going, while the USA was isolationist and only focused on growing its industry and economy. I think the end of WW1 was the first time the US realized it could save or kill the UK, and started poisoning the UK's meals.

[@matwiw]

@@TheOwneroftheIC No, it isn't. The US would have had VERY small prestige, an average army score, and would have been first in industrial score, but would still lose to the UK overall (if we're talking about it within the game) In reality, despite being involved in WWI, the USA was a pariah state. The Anglo-French alliance adopted Woodrow Wilson's idea of a League of Nations, but America has never joined, and any American attempts at diplomacy in Europe were blocked. By 1936, the world continued to be led by the British and the French, with America standing on the sidelines. US would only truly win in hoi4.

[@dapperbunch5029]

⁠@@matwiwNot really, even hyper biased KZbinrs for Britain like Old Britannia fully admit that they would have followed Germany into a Weimar state without American money. In one of his video’s it’s described how Britain went 24 hours close to financial collapse but was saved by Wall Street. Also, America has one of the most dominant positions in history. It’s a practical miracle that Europe, Africa, Asia and South America aren’t just a series of directly controlled puppets. As an American, y’all are lucky we have such a pathetic government.

[@ryancox5158]

the lore of these games is wild

[@LemonCake101]

Someone really should make a pdx game lore channel fr fr

[@nevets2371]

​@@LemonCake101 they did, its either overly sarcastic productions or the armchair historian

[@colinstorzbach6105]

Yeah but some of it's hard to buy. Like look at the premise. Apparently there were all these large countries assembled and ready to defeat the Ottomans once and for all, but the king dies and suddenly the whole thing's off? A bit contrived and some poor writing if you ask me. And apparently one of the middling powers is the canon cause of the league war and it was because some diplomat got thrown out of a window, and it wasn't even the only time in lore that it happened in that very city. Reused plot points like that are very amateurish if you ask me.

[@steppedonmyglasses]

​@@colinstorzbach6105Yeah the plot armor is just ruining my suspension of disbelief

[@thegamingallosaurus7281]

@@colinstorzbach6105 Plus instead of having the Ottomans with their plot armour die in some epic fight they just kind of wither away wounded in Victoria until pathetically dying after the Great War. They then reuse a character from a prior battle and have him beat everyone after!? Terrible writing.

[@ziggytheassassin5835]

I would put mamluks as winners of crusader kings games since they have the Holy Land and its called "crusader kings". So, like... they won those

[@LemonCake101]

I mean honestly... fair!

[@JK-qi7pp]

Plus they are the richest nation at that point with the Ottomans not overtaking them until they controlled both the Black and Red Sea trade routes to the Far East.

[@magnusalnes9167]

I think winner of Victoria 2 is USA because they had a significantly stronger industry with 35-40% of the worlds industrial output compared to the UK's 10-15% and the UK owed a lot of money to the US after ww1. The US also achieved their ambitions, like the UK achieved their Cape to Kairo, of keeping European powers out of the Americas (Monroe doctrine) and had their own large sphere of influence (all of the Americas). UK has larger navy, but USA also has a big one. You can tell how important the US is by their stock market crash making everyone in the world broke.

[@LemonCake101]

That's a fair point!

[@showman9619]

I think the usa won the economy but Britain won the military and colony part

[@zord1352]

​@@showman9619don't forget, at the begining they didn't had the west coast or Texas.

[@showman9619]

@@zord1352 but the uk gained a lot more land

[@australiananarchist480]

@@showman9619 gaining a bunch of shitholes isnt worth much, is it?

[@CocossaJabolossa]

I love the lore of Paradox Extended Universe. That's some amazing worldbuilding they're doing, with so many interesting powers.

[@l0lLorenzol0l]

You forgot another reason for the USA winning HoI4: They didn't get the massive casualities and infrastructure damage of the USSR.

[@LemonCake101]

Exactly, the USA really planned better by choosing to be on their continent

[@shorewall]

@@LemonCake101 Let's fight the war at your place.

[@oKnuTo]

@@LemonCake101 putting things out there the USA would have won the codl war regardles of idology. if the US was communits and UDSSR was captials the USA win just as easy as they were simply starting with an isane lead. history books portray them as equals and while they were the 2 most ifluancel nations. they were never on equal footing.

[@CalvinNoire]

​@@LemonCake101 It took the USA million of years to execute the plan. But it payed off in the long run.

[@sambone2809]

Paradox won with their DLC policy.

[@KTA1sVidsandFacts]

But who won the unmade Paradox game that covered the Bronze Age?

[@LemonCake101]

Egypt

[@Bigzthegreat]

That sounds so boring.. How different could a game set in 12,000 something BC be any different from a game like 'Imperator Rome' in mechanics? It gets to a point where technology is stagnant, and there isn't much one can do due to those limitations.

[@phiscz]

@@Bigzthegreat well a 12,000 bce map game would be impressive as hell to pull off considering most of the world was still neolithic hunter gatherer tribes by that point. it would be sick as hell just for the doggerland inclusion though. but one during the bronze age would be almost exactly the same as imperator rome if you removed the non-tribal status away from literally country except for egypt, babylonia, syria, the minoans, and the indus valley civilization (and replaced parthia with the sea peoples)

[@easytiger6570]

Assyria

[@Bigzthegreat]

@@phiscz My only idea for 12,000 BCE is letting players and AIs research technology ahead of time at will, with the only limiting factor being population and innovation, kind of like 'Cividlization 2'. With such bad technology though, a game in that era wouldn't have anything interesting happen.

[@arturogarcia1825]

well must be your and well favourite word

[@LemonCake101]

Well, what can I say, it is what it is. Moving swiftly on...

[@schneemilch908]

I expected a Stellaris part, in which the obvious winner is: you That or the ones, the swarm flees from.

[@LemonCake101]

The winner of Stellaris is your PC when your turn it off and the lag goes away

[@iwantmynametobeaslongaspos7194]

The winner in stellaris is humanity because humanity is number 1

[@MultiPixelLP]

Next up: Winners of Hearts of each of these games. Who had the bigfest struggles and managed to prvail despite the odds or just managed some stunts so awesome during the games timespan that you just have to love them. Would be an interesting discussion at least, even if extremely open ended

[@LemonCake101]

Lemon Hoi4 content... a cursed thought

[@telcharthegreatsmithofthef7585]

an interesting thought! for eu4, my choice would be the Netherlands, their success in the 17th and 18th century is almost unbelievable, becoming a great power as such a small country despite competing with Great Britian, France and Spain. Surviving the "Rampjaar" is almost impossible without a lot of luck in the game. For vic2&3, my more controversial pick would be Switzerland: despite being a quite poor and politically unstable backwater at the start of the 19th century, it managed to reform itself into one of the richest and most stable democracies in the world. Though the polarised political and religious situation in Switzerland at the start of the game is unfortunately poorly represented, so ingame path towards the economic growth seems much smoother than it was historically.

[@shs_89iyadg39]

They say Early birds gets the worm, can i get a worm flavoured cake

[@LemonCake101]

Oh no, not only am I being eaten by you, but also a worm... oh the humanity!

[@KTA1sVidsandFacts]

Someone forgot March of the Eagles! Ya could’ve put in a win for GB there.

[@LemonCake101]

I originally did but I decided UK won hard enough

[@KTA1sVidsandFacts]

@@LemonCake101 Rule Britannia Intensifies

[@cumunist2120]

@@LemonCake101 shouldve done fallen eagle mod from ck3 to fill the gap with a nation nobody really knows about or its the muslims im not sure

[@TheOwneroftheIC]

CK3 "ends" in 1453, but there's no way that unoptimized garbage doesn't crash before 1350.

[@tush_the_guardian]

Another W for CK2

[@bulletghost3452]

Nor is there even a reason to play that long if you started in 867 start, even in the 1066 start it wouldn't be worth it since you could easily conquer and build tall with buildings than with your dynasty at that point.

[@tickbrick6631]

I’ve gone to 1453 twice with high graphics + world conquest and never crashed…

[@tickbrick6631]

@UnimportantKZbinGuy Idk my specs, my pc is pretty good. Honestly I do have to turn the graphics down 50 years before game end so it doesn’t lag so much but other than that it runs pretty well

[@JamesTodorovich]

I've got a shit pc and it seems to run extremely good. Ck3 is probably their best running game for me. Has slowed a bit with the movement of people around maps for tournaments and stuff but overall still good performance.

[@johnny-smith]

I would also pick Britain for EU4, but I think Spain is a close contender, despite the fall off, using the score as a metric for the sheer amount of tremendous accomplishments starting in 1492 until the 1800s. If the game stopped a few decades earlier, I think Spain wins for sure

[@Sirvalian]

You mean if the game stopped two centuries earlier.

[@johnny-smith]

@@Sirvalian No, I'd still give it to Spain overall if the game stopped like mid 1700s

[@GarfieldRex]

I thought this was going to be a video about dozens and dozens of game runs and see which country won the most times in each game. Satisfied nevertheless xd but now I need a video like that

[@rock_gamer_stig5188]

Funny that UK wins historically in Vicky 2 when in game they almost never maintain number 1 GP status. They usually get eclipsed by the US or Germany or both.

[@namethefifth7315]

The real winners were the casus beli we made along the way

[@walnzell9328]

10:21 Oh hey, Hawaii.

[@LemonCake101]

I love how that is part of the flag

[@walnzell9328]

@@LemonCake101 It was originally made to increase trade relations between the Kingdom of Hawaii and Great Britain. In more modern times it's been a symbol of remembrance for how Hawaii got Donbass'd by the United States. The first (and I think only) nation to object to it was, funnily enough, Great Britain.

[@LemonCake101]

@@walnzell9328 I find it funny how the Union Jack flies the US Senate though but for sure!

[@ebin7538]

Eu4 does have that little ranking of tags by score that you get in the 1821/resign screen that has spain as number 1, which ive always found a little funny. I suppose it's like cumulative for the whole period of the game and not about 1821.

[@LemonCake101]

It’s cumulative but also weighted towards the late game (you earn more score later)

[@genovayork2468]

Spain didn't exist before 1707.

[@emanuelneagu14]

despite historically these nations have risen somewhere around 1500-1600s and already had fallen before year 1812, in late game EU4 I usually see Spain and the Ottomans in top 3 Great Powers, the Ottomans claiming military hegemon many times before me (because I just like playing tall and making a heaven out of whatever region I conquered rather than having late game wars).

[@SarudeDanstorm]

Does't CK2 literally have a historical scoreboard using their in-game rules? I think the Capet dynasty (and if having to tie to a country, then France) is ranked as the overall winner

[@LemonCake101]

That looks at the entire game, not just the end date.

[@VolviqR]

Agree with you on all the games. Although for Victoria games I could probably include USA as well. Its finale is the post-World war 1 situation. And while Britain won the war, it was in such a weakened position that by the start of HOI4 their Empire is collapsing and couldn’t maintain the world order. While US wasn’t that big of a participant in WW1, it just kept developing while others were fighting, resulting in roaring twenties and clearly dominant position in cultural and economic sense. At the start of HOI4 they are also weakened by Great Depression, but still in the matters of economy and influence they were the leaders

[@smashwombel]

France won ck2 and ck3, if you look at the ranking in ck2 you can see that the dynasty with the highest score are the capetians. It makes sense, since they embody the ideals of internal realm management the best in my opinion.

[@quantumtoaster5224]

I'm going to toss my hat in the ring and give the winner of Vicky to the United States by the end of World War I they had effectively: Been able to practice inperialism, all at the expense of a GBR guarantee due to the Monroe Doctrine. Played both sides of the war and joined towards the end allowing them a seat at the winners table Become the only great power in the Americas and certainly one of the great powers of the world. Whereas Britain certainly didn't come out any better for fighting in the great war. As for EU IV I agree its Great Britain. By the end of the Napoleonic Wars, Britain had essentially won the most complete victory in human history, to the point where the time after is named after their queen.

[@Kris-lu1rs]

I respect your choices, and while I'm not gonna disagree with them, I am gonna offer some points of nuance to some. 1. regarding France I'd say they're in a better spot in 1821 than you may have given them. Yes, they are exhausted from years of wars, their government is fragile, but they are still a great power. The other gp's were in agreement in not punishing France too much and keep them strong enough to deter wars in europe. Talleyrand, the french representative at the vienna congress, did some shrewd diplomatic moves that cemented french influence and proved they still are a player on the continent. And remember that just a decade before they had completely dominated most of europe. Their potential is certainly to consider 2. Austria in 1821 is also a contender. The period from 1815 to 1848 is sometimes called the Age of Metternich after the austrian foreign minister. Austria's military might may be lacking, but their soft power and diplomatic influence makes them in my opinion come really close to taking the lead. They have by this point to options, to continue building their balkan empire, or form a german nation state as well. 3. while I agree that USA won hoi4, I disagree about the factions. The soviet block consisted of only Mongolia in 1936 yes, but remember they had client states in all of eastern europe. Everything east of West Germany, except Yugoslavia, was controlled by the Soviets. Thats certainly something to keep in mind

[@The-Chair516]

0:59 Objection! How can you have only 4 subscribers and almost 15,000 subscribers at the same time!?

[@LemonCake101]

When I made that screenshot I had 4, and not updating it made it funnier over time

[@The-Chair516]

@@LemonCake101 lol

[@szymon_sowa]

What about March of the eagles? (Or is that not a paradox game)

[@fawkewe]

Eu4 is probably the only indisputable one. I mean the game literally ends in 1821 *Because* it’s the date the Spanish Empire collapsed. It’s pretty hard to win more than that. Edit: and if Spain exists while the player is not playing as Spain, Spain will have the highest score, probably other than the Player.

[@MustardAndFries]

Awesome video idea, but I do think most reasonable people would come to the same conclusions you do here. Might be interesting to do a top 5 most powerful nations or focus on a specific type of power category to get more discussion.

[@tankfarter]

Usa could also be arguied as the winer for vicky 2/3

[@linkluver_izn]

Hi! I think there’s an argument to be made for Parthia in Imperator Rome, or at least for them to be included as an honorary mention. Great vid!

[@LemonCake101]

Thanks! Yeah that's fair, but I tried to avoid too many honorary mentions since that may end up with... a whole lot of em!

[@WillyShankspeare]

I called the Ottomans for CK. They are the early game boss of EU4 after all.

[@DumbCup]

If I blended up a lemon cake do I get lemonade or cakeade

[@redjarvis]

lemon cakeade

[@1konix]

You forgot Stellaris - who won Stellaris?

[@genericwhitemale9566]

Kind of makes you realize how impactful Britain has been on world history. A small island in Europe basically ruled the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries uncontested. Even now, one of their former colonies is the undisputed number one in the world.

[@LemonCake101]

Indeed

[@pogliot338]

18th century a bit of a stretch

[@Sirvalian]

@@pogliot338 Last half of of 18th century is not a stretch at all. 20th century is very much of a stretch.

[@genericwhitemale9566]

@@Sirvalian lmao what? The early 20th century, when the empire was at its peak, is pushing it?

[@whodis3489]

In 1337 the tughlaq dynasty in India is by far the strongest entity on the map, very bizarre to say they're not the strongest at that point.

[@ThatRossiKid]

USA wins Victoria it is unquestionably the strongest economy (more than gb and France combined) in the world at the end the game. It’s a game about economics.

[@BIGluisluis]

I think Qing won Europa Universalis, if you take away the game goals and mechanis, for sure thhe most busted army numbers and economy, and if it wanted the biggest navy too, sure the quality of the army and the navy would be a lot inferior, but yet not so big difference compared to the victoria years

[@Sirvalian]

Ming won CK3 you mean.

[@BIGluisluis]

@@Sirvalian there is no Ming in CK3, only with mods

[@Anton15243]

It seems that, whenever there is a smooth transition from one time period of the game to another without any gaps (CK-EU4-Vic2-HOI4), the "winners" of the previous game are in the strongest position in the earliest start date. The only exception is Vic2, as the UK goes through something of a downgrade in the latter game. Yet, if we change the winner to be the US, it still fits the bill, as the game has to give the US a ton of debuffs to keep them from getting too strong, and even then playing for them is often considered to be the equivalent of an easy mode

[@WaywardTemplar1314]

Everyone knows that the First Galactic Empire under Palpatine won Stellaris

[@Jaggaraz218]

Wait, the UK winning EUIV is not controversial since they literally start the Victorian period after the setting of EUIV. When it comes to Victoria 2 and 3 the game ends at 1936, The British empire is severely weakened by WW1 and by 1936 the USA has more industry than the rest of the world combined. The winner of Victoria 2/3 should definetely be the United States of America

[@JullianCassus]

In 1936 GB was behind the US, Germany, and the Soviets in terms of Economy, Military Spending, and Population. The US even had a better navy at that point get real buddy.

[@blob7963]

It's hilarious how France is within the top 5 for every game but Imperator, but never gets the top spot by the end date.

[@genovayork2468]

Not top 5 in 1337 and 1453.

[@Sirvalian]

​@@genovayork2468 1453 It is most likely top 5. I can only come up with Ming and Ottomans being way stronger, nothing in Europe for sure. 1821 though? France is recently beat up. 1936? USA, UK, Soviet, Germany, Japan... 1948? USA, Soviet, UK, yeah France is back again for a little while.

[@genovayork2468]

@@Sirvalian Egypt, Qara Qoyunlu, Bengal, Bahmania, Vijayanagar, Yuan, Muscovy, Lithuania, Jaunpur, Gujarat, Moghulistan, Uzbekia were stronger.

[@JamesTodorovich]

They would take eu4 if it ended when napoleon was at his height, but since it ends afterwards they lose.

[@geometrix236]

Russia and England won eu4,other countries like Spain, ottomans,france have had all some peaks but Russia and England always grew bigger and stronger

[@KarczekWieprzowy]

Imo 1337 (though I know it's incorrect end date for ck2) was won by Golden Horde and/or other Mongol Empire successor states Although already in decline they still were a powerhouse that would still remain for quite a while

[@Cowboy.J]

By your own rules, USA easily beats the UK in Victoria. It's the winner by the end of the period, not the beginning. Britain had passed the torch to America as the strongest country after World War 1, if not sooner.

[@xaveircombs2690]

I would have said France won CK3 since it managed to route the English back to their stronghold in Calais. Unite the kingdom of France and occitania. They were in 1453 the pre-eminent military power in Europe and probably would have become HRE emporer in 1519 if Spain didn't get the colonies.

[@genovayork2468]

Ottomania, Golden Horde, Muscovy were stronger militarily in Europe, boso. On the world stage France wasn't even in top 10.

[@xaveircombs2690]

@@genovayork2468 Muscovy was a Golden Horde puppet

[@genovayork2468]

@@xaveircombs2690 It wasn't, it was de facto independent, boso.

[@xaveircombs2690]

@@genovayork2468 no it wasn’t it payed active tribute the moscow didn’t gain independence till later

[@xaveircombs2690]

@@genovayork2468 when I say France I mean the Capetians who controlled France the Burgundian realm and Portugal.

[@j-hod6274]

I really hope we win Stellaris

[@MrThroll]

I think it's safe to say Great Britain won the previous millenium.

[@dantetre]

EU4 has the 3 type of Hegemony. Russia is clearly the military one. GB is economic and naval with its huge trade income and "Britain rules the sea".

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

By 1453 France also just won the HYW while the Habsburg didn't get their royal mariages yet.

[@rocket_hops]

thanks for making me hungry for anything lemon flavored

[@rangergxi]

Honestly, I would say the USA won Victoria2/3. They have the bigger GDP and prestige is based on production so they'd have the biggest prestige in Victoria 3.

[@micharuoff6759]

Some Maps of the world would have been nice to visualize everything

[@Sodom_and_Gomorrah]

This is honestly a really interesting topic. I hope you do more of these! Maybe you could do the opposite. Which nation ends up the weakest at the end? (excluding nations that are just straight up annexed).

[@LemonCake101]

Could be interesting, but yeah the swarms of annexed tags are probably the ‘winners’ for that.

[@Dude-vq3oe]

Bro called the US budget Great Britain.💀

[@klausi-mausi]

Feels odd to use "nations" for CK2 and 3 rather than dynasties and families, considering that that's the whole focus of CK.

[@THX-1138]

Real answer is the bank of england

[@WaifuSeeker]

I think USSR won in the hoi4, because the transition of a feudal state for a superpower rival to USA with nuclear power and great technologies sometimes even better than the American contra-part, this can apply even by the hoi4 "rules" because they start with a kinda weak industry and a big but unequipped army, but in the late game with a player in charge, even counting multiplayer where they fight multiple countries, its just a unstoppable machine. and In Eu4 I say Spain, from a divided kingdom to THE superpower, colonizer of a WHOLE continent and big islands like Philippines, they were much more powerful than the English for the most of the period, and in the game, they can colonize much faster

[@Sodom_and_Gomorrah]

These are good choices for the nations that had the largest increase in power. Not the most powerful nations at their games respective end date. The end date of EU4 was around the time Spain lost almost all of its colonies. And the Soviets, while very technologically advanced, just didn't have the power projection of the US. The US navy advantage alone already keeps them from winning in my book. Not even including the other things the US has going for it. More allies, more strategic positions around the world, etc.

[@johnny-smith]

HOI starts in 1936 by which time the Russian Empire had firmly transformed into the Soviet Union, so it's outside the scope of the game to bring this up, but if HOI started with WWI and ended with WWII, I would agree. It's only relevant the accomplishments of the USSR between 36 and the end of WWII

[@vladprus4019]

@@johnny-smith Also, calling Russia "feudal" even in 1900 would be rather a stretch, given it was rather centralized, beurocratic state that already had stuff like serfdom abolished. It just wasn't industrialized. The only interpretation that it's "feudal" is if we use Marxist definition of "feudal" which is so wide, that it basically means "peasants work on a land they don't own, but are slaves in a literal sense of a word". Also, peasants in Russia already largely had their own land already poast civil war, so it wasn't feudalism even under Marxist definition (untill their land got collectivized under Stalin). Idk under which metric Russia would be "feudal" in 1936, unless you make "feudal" to mean "largely not industrialized much"

[@JamesTodorovich]

Soviets don't even have nukes by end date of hoi4, if usa keeps pushing after germany falls, than the soviets collapse especially since it is no longer a war of extinction, and many of the soviets were only fighting because the nazis were as bad as the soviets. Not to mention the soviets are about go into a famine, so if usa just stopped being their friend that include multiple other usa allies such as uk who wouldn't give soviets food or trade to them. If your curious look it up the soviets enter a famine almost immediately after end of war that kills around 1-2million. So no the soviets aren't doing well, not to even mention their massive population decline due to ww2, and the Soviet satellite states that could have rebellions.

[@MegaVictor1129]

In CK you actually play as the dynasty and not the ''nation'' and CK2 actually makes a leaderboard of historical dynasties when you end the game. EU4 has quite literaly SCORE, and it factors your starting position so if you start as Ottomans/france you get a score debuff so it must be factored also! Vicky is UK HoI is a draw Stelaries is fantasy.

[@gigachad8425]

for victoria 3 i would argue that over japan in 1936 japan had a strong army a strong economy and a "willing to sacrifise themselves" men UK in 1936 was not at its peak but it did prosper trough victorian era but not in the mid wars period

[@JamesTodorovich]

Japan is far weaker than you think, they are reliant on foreign trade, so much so that when usa stopped vital war products from being traded the japanese pearl harbored them in order to try and expand south to get said resources.

[@georgemx4136]

I don't think it is a controversial statement to say that Great Britain was the strongest country in the world by a significant margin in 1821, they had complete control over all of India, which contributed from 25-35% of the economic output of the pre-industrial world. All of their colonial rivals had been stomped, the Dutch, the French, the Spanish, they had a vast network of rich colonies from Canada to the cape to Australia. And finally and most significantly, they were the only industrialized economy, by the virtue of which they had the economic power to defeat napoleon. Oh, and it doesn't hurt to mention their complete control over the world's oceans. And I also consider for the end date of Victoria 3 which is 1936, the US should be considered the most dominant country, because of their incredibly strong economic dominance, 800M GDP compared to the second biggest the UK which was at 570M, 285M not including their colonies, and third biggest, the USSR which was at a measly 359M. This number doesn't even show their advantageous financial situation in which they were owed very significant amounts money from the British the French (and prior to the beginning of the war Germans too). Add to this their formidable navy (2nd strongest in the world), advantageous geographic position, dominance over the oil market, massive and quickly growing population, cultural homogeneity, massive agricultural potential, massive resource deposits and the disadvantageous position of its rivals (USSR is diplomatically isolated and about to be invaded, and the UK is about to spend all of its money on war and lose its colonies and give massive economic concessions to the US in order to receive war materials and money). I think that the US definitely won Victoria 3 and is about to cement its victory in Hoi4.

[@beanieb0b]

Well idk how but in cities skylines the sewer monsters threw an uprising and drowned the people in their own fluids, so I think they won

[@Ugapiku]

EU4 I would say Russia, Japan, GB, even Qing at that time was still very powerful.

[@afridge8608]

At 1821 france has not been crushed (to the dismay of the civillized people of the world). They have the second largest military, the second largest european economy, their war reparations have stopped through shrewd diplomacy, they have been integrated into the european stage, they have gained land when compared to pre napoleonic wars. Their laws and state have been massively improved through the work of napoleon and they are ready to empire build which they do very successfully. They do face internal instability at the start of vicky (the king was an asshole and ended up getting deposed and the next guy also got deposed) but all in all the end of eu4 and start of vicky is a very good time period for france. They are definitely above the russians at the least

[@shracc]

the ck2 end date is a great example of just convincing people (me) by just saying things with confidence.

[@genovayork2468]

Learn basic history.

[@shracc]

​@@genovayork2468 what does history have to do with lemoncake just being wrong and confusing the last start date of the game with the end date???

[@walnzell9328]

KZbin thinks this video is about Europe Universalis. The game from 2000. A game that definitely wasn't on the list.

[@LemonCake101]

In fairness Eu4 isn't even an option

[@theamazinghippopotomonstro9942]

Paradox lore is so interesting. I wish England was real

[@Donderu]

With EUIV, couldn’t you just choose the last day possible in the game and just look at the rankings?

[@IceFire9yt]

On Victoria: By 1936 the US had surpassed the UK in GDP. You could argue that the UK still has the advantage on overall score with military and prestige. Had the US not withdrawn into isolationism post WWI, I think there's no question that they would be the winner.

[@Periodedetelevision-jo6oz]

I think america is the far winner in vic america had a much larger and better economy, and their military industry while not mobilised at the time would show its potential during ww2 becoming (arguably) the strongest military ever

[@mappingshaman5280]

Hoi4 millenium dawn, hoi4 old world blues and stellaris: to be decided

[@wolliveryoutube]

Imperator: Rome CK2/3: Ottomans, France EUIV: Great Britain, Prussia (for surviving at all and becoming even a lesser great power, given the circumstances) Victoria II: United States, Great Britain (pyrrhic victory for the latter) Hearts of Iron IV: United States, Soviet Union And if we’re counting March of the Eagles and Sengoku, then Great Britain/Prussia/Russia for the former, and the Tokugawa for the latter.

[@Nerazmus]

France isn't even a thing at the end of Crusader Kings. I mean, it technically is, but the king holds so little power it might as well not be.

[@mappingshaman5280]

I would say the USA won victoria 2 because by 1935 they had a stronger economy and industry than britain and probably more prestige too. The only metric britain did (at least for 1935) beat the USA on is mil score and population.

[@masonhales]

"The good guys won ww2" debatable.

[@thiagoandrade9217]

It would be cool with you had screenshots for the historic endings inside the games

[@KioletNakomura]

ck2 ends in 1453, the last start date is in 1337

[@vallytine]

Historian Eric Hobsbawm said it best in The Age of Revolution when he said 'Britain by 1815 had gained the most complete victory of any power in the entire history of the world, energing from 20 years of war as the only industrialized economy, the only naval power, and virtually the only colonial power in the world.'

[@whitenoize3697]

i fw your oc heavy ❤

[@LemonCake101]

Bad time to have eyes

[@nathanbyrne9457]

CK2 Ireland or Poland due to the Black death bistorically not effecting them as much as Europe lol

[@adamvarga8332]

I'd argue the HRE won CK2 or 3. They are massive in that game and only really get nerfed by switching to eu4 and exploding.

[@genovayork2468]

It was not even a country.

[@genovayork2468]

Spain didn't exist before 1707, boso.

[@Kpiozero]

Crossing my fingers that he does a follow up on Stellaris and just goes insane.

[@romegypt5675]

seems you got your 15k :)

[@LemonCake101]

Yup, just got there!

[@isaacshultz8128]

I really want a cold war paradox title

[@dieucondorimperial2509]

Victoria III is all about economy as a measure of winning, so by that metric wouldn’t the U.S. be the winners?

[@desen6486]

OK but what country won Sengoku?

[@tederikon8960]

what about stellaris 🤔

[@lopatou_ovalil7361]

For V3 it is turtle island :D

[@sergiobosque7416]

I disagree. Ck3 is not about countries, but about dynasties. The Karling dynasty, especially through its Capet branch, became dominant in Europe in the high middle ages, holding the crowns of France and Portugal, and eventually Spain, Poland, Naples, etc.

[@MongoIndyleo]

I find it a bit odd that you didn't mention the US for winning Victoria considering it was THE Great Power in 1936.

[@theamericanempire4679]

I’m not budget Britain

[@Adjusting1]

I agree maybe except Victoria 3. UK wasn't in really good shape in 1936. I could argue Soviets won Victoria 3

[@Crossil]

I have to say that I'm sad how you didn't list a victorious dynasty rather thana victorious nation in case of CK. That game isn't won by "nations" but by dynasties, and Capetians are listed as the top ranking dynasty in CK2.

[@LemonCake101]

It does seem a popular request in fairness, the issue is ranking dynasty strength in 1453 is even more arbitrary.

[@Frencho9]

Much Brit bias here. But Crusader Kings being before globalization in 1453, France is clearly the dominant power in Europe having won the 100 years wars, installed strong dynasty and laying the building blocks for the first mondern centralized state and the Ottomans in Asia Minor/mediterranean. As for EU IV, sure you can put Great Britain or Russia, but saying that France was crushed is ludicrous. Hell, France did not even get carved up after the Napoleonic wars and kept all it's core territories and almost all it's colonies and still had the best quality army as a single nation. Remember, France fought against all of the world alone since the 1790s, over 30 years and won for most of that generation and even in 1821 French army and economy was not crushed by any metric, it started colonizing and conquering again by the 1830.

[@Henners1991]

I think your assessment of Victoria lacked nuance. After WWI, Britain is teetering as a power and, while perhaps still on/near the top, is severely weakened. Going from the world's largest creditor to its single largest debtor, having had to give up on ambitions of absolute naval supremacy and assent to the Washington Naval Treaty and soon finding itself having to increase military spending to ruinous levels by 1939. This is worsened by the rising superpower that was the USA, which held much of the world's debts and had a comparatively cohesive population and huge resource reserves. The USSR was also a potential threat though not yet nearing superpower status. I am not an expert on Japan, but that was another looming challenger. Germany was a bit of a joke (long-term) but was poised to cause a serious headache.

[@JamesTodorovich]

Japan suffers overreliance on trade as they don't have many resources.